PipeChat Digest #3515 - Tuesday, March 4, 2003
 
clergy/organist relations
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
E.F.Walcker & Cie
  by <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>
Re: Fwd: Felix returns to Aspen
  by <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>
Multiple pedal-boards?
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: pastor/musician relations
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: E.F.Walcker & Cie
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Pastor-musician relations
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Pastor-musician relations
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Beau's question of pastor/musician relationship.
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: pastor/musician relations
  by "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Pastor-musician relations
  by "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com>
tonight
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Free download of Finale Notepad Music Notation system
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Tamburini behemoths
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Free download of Finale Notepad Music Notation system
  by "PA" <echogamba@ntlworld.com>
 

(back) Subject: clergy/organist relations From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 17:58:53 -0800   I have had the pleasure of working for some cultured gentlemen; I've also had the misfortune of working for some real stinkers (grin).   Things worked best when the pastor saw the music program as complementary to the total ministry of the church, AND he wasn't threatened by having a seasoned professional musician on staff. MOST of my difficulties with my present rector stem from the fact that I'm 20 years OLDER than him ... he KNOWS I've been places and done things he knows nothing about.   Too often, the fights aren't about the music, but about ego and control issues. I've learned over time to put out MORE than I EVER expect to get, and then compromise down to what I actually WANTED (grin). I've also had to learn when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em ... I recently proposed a series of hymns on the Cross for Lent, which would have involved printing half-page inserts for the bulletin. The rector said "no." Fine. The choir will sing them during communion; the people will fuss because THEY didn't get to sing them; next year they will (chuckle).   I'm all for musicians getting as much theological and liturgical training as possible ... I sorta picked mine up along the way, but it has stood me in good stead. In passing, that's also a good reason not to "jump" denominations ... pick a tradition, learn it, and stick with it. I can move fairly comfortably among RC, Anglican, and Missouri Synod Lutheran, as they're all basically dialects of the same thing, albeit with their own unique customs.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: E.F.Walcker & Cie From: <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 02:59:22 +0100 (CET)   Dear listmembers,   Malcolm Wechsler was not sure, but he was right. The E.F.Walcker & Cie organbuilding company, named after the famous Eberhard Friedrich Walcker, is not any longer in business. Trying to get through all kinds of websites, it comes out, that Walcker Orgelbau is continued by Gerhard Walcker-Mayer (www.walckerorgel.de). Most of you probably know the most famous instruments. But more important - and new for me - was, to learn, that E.F.Walcker (and his company) was obviously a prestigeous and highly demanded teacher/ teaching institution for a whole generation of organ masters. So I was surprised to see such names as Steinmeyer, Weigle, Marcussen, Link, Laukhuff, Sauer, Kuhn (CH), Haas (CH).A history of the E.F.Walcker company can be found at http;//www.gewalcker.de/gewalcker.de/english/english.htm.   Hans-Friedrich Hell  
(back) Subject: Re: Fwd: Felix returns to Aspen From: <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 03:07:09 +0100 (CET)   Thanks to Jon Busch and David Scribner for poublishing the program .... which contains an error: BWV 532 is the "Prelude and Fugue D Major" Sorry about that. It was my error. Hans-Friedrich Hell   > Here is Felix's program for the Aspen Community Church > recital.   > Wednesday, March 12. 7:30pm   > Johann Sebastion Bach > - Toccata and Fugue d minor, BWV 565 > - "Schmuecke dich o liebe Seele" (Leipzig Chorale),BWV 625 > - Trio Sonata No. 1 Eb Major, BWV 525 > - Fuga (alla Gigue) G Major, BWV 577 > - Toccata and Fugue D Major, BWV 532   > INTERMISSION   > Felix Mendelssohn-Bartholdy > Sonata No 3 A Major > - Con moto maestoso > - Andante tranquillo   > Felix-Alexandre Guilmant > Sonata No. 1 D Minor > - Introduction et Allegro > - Pastorale > - Final   > The organ he is playing is a 1999 2x30 Wicks. You can > see the spec on Wicks web site.  
(back) Subject: Multiple pedal-boards? From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 02:10:11 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   I was at a funfair with some young relatives last year, and they loved the ride which consists of a metal ball with a video screen.   The idea was, they sat in a seat and strapped themselves in, then proceeded to turn this way and that, shooting things out of a virtual sky. This involved going upside down at various times as well as rotating at high speed.   Reading about double pedal boards made me think.   Why not a keyless organ.....just pedals everywhere?   We could fly around like demented hamsters, strapped in our seats, and play virtuoso fingerless symphonies!   This would leave the hands free to do more important things, such as stuffing tobacco into pipes, turning pages, pressing thumb pistons, reading the paper (purely for the extreme virtuoso) or writing ridiculous ideas for pipechat.   Of course, tracker action would be an impossibility, unless the whole organ spun around, but this may create tuning problems.   Anyway, I can't really recommend it. The kids managed to persuade me aboard the "Pepsi Max" ride at Blackpool, which just drops off the face of the earth from a height of 600ft or more; reaching 90mph before it hits the bottom.   After this, they took me on this ghastly ride which fires from a pneumatic canon, flips upside down and comes to rest a couple of hundred yards or so on the other side of the loop. Then it returns backwards.....   No....the flip-flop console is a BAD IDEA!   All I could do was grip my body with my arms and close my eyes.....it could never work!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   PS: The destruction of the double pedal boards was probably the ONE humanitarian gesture made by the allied bombing crews.   Interesting that the chief Air Vice Marshal of the RAF was called "Harris" rather than "Schmidt".     --- RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > Hi Felix: > > There were five organs in Germany provided with > double > pedalboards. All we have are the pictures, as they > were destroyed > in the allied bombing raids.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: pastor/musician relations From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 21:18:27 -0500   I do not believe you should enter pastoral ministry unless you feel called = of God to be a pastoral minister. To bridge the "gap" between pastors and = musicians is not sufficient reason to become a pastor.   Not that bridging the gap is bad; it's just not sufficient grounds (in my = mind) to become a pastor.   However, studying theology is a great thing for a church musician to do.   There are plenty of pastors who have been church musicians. There are = plenty of pastors that ARE musical.   And there are persons that have made it their life calling to assist in = pastor/staff relationships. It's less about music after all...more about = relationship (or lack thereof).   Neil Brown  
(back) Subject: Re: E.F.Walcker & Cie From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 02:20:36 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Hans-Freiderich makes a good point.....Walcker were terribly important in the development of the German Romantic organ. Was it not they who invented the "Kegladen" windchest? If so, they made the romantic German organ possible.   It was, apparently, very common for organ-builders to teach the sons of their rivals and vice-versa.   Walcker did, I believe, have links also with Cavaille-Coll, and Cavaille-Coll was very generous in his advice to other organ builders; even supplying pipes.   The use of the "frein harmonique" was an early feature of German organs in the 19th century....a very French invention.......Gavioli et Cie?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK         --- Hell-Concerts@t-online.de wrote: > > > Malcolm Wechsler was not sure, but he was right. The > E.F.Walcker & Cie > organbuilding company, named after the famous > Eberhard Friedrich > Walcker, is not any longer in business.   > But more important - and new for me - was, to learn, > that E.F.Walcker > (and his company) was obviously a prestigeous and > highly demanded > teacher/ teaching institution for a whole generation > of organ masters.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Pastor-musician relations From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 21:25:28 -0500   On 3/3/03 8:31 PM, "Glenda" <gksjd85@scti.net> wrote:   > Beau, one cannot serve two masters. > > Glenda Sutton > Solid point. But do the pastor and the musician have different masters?   See my earlier post.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Pastor-musician relations From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 02:45:59 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Hopefully the answer is "yes" Alan.   Organists must be accurate in their reading, careful with their interpretation and true to the historical context.....only then do we communicate correctly.   They should practice what they preach.....we preach what we should practise!   :)   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       --- Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote: > But do the pastor and the musician > have different masters? > > See my earlier post. >     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Beau's question of pastor/musician relationship. From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 20:49:23 -0600   I have to throw in a bit more about Beau's questions of the = pastor/musician relationship.   It depends a great deal upon the people involved. I know clergypeople who don't know anything about music and don't really care about it. I know clergypeople who THINK they know all about music, but they really don't.   And I know organists who think they understand theology and worship--and sometimes they do and sometimes they don't.   And while ideally, there ought to be a common goal--meaningful worship for = a congregation (which includes some elements of outreach to the community), the sub-elements are different. The pastor has more of a "big-picture" focus, and the organist is more focused on the music. This isn't bad in either case; it is simply different.   I expect the organist to know more about music than I know, and I expect = to know more about theology and worship than the organist. Sometimes both those expectations are faulty!   So labor away at it, and do what you feel called to do!   Dennis Steckley    
(back) Subject: Re: pastor/musician relations From: "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 21:04:37 -0600   Hi! I should clarify.....when I said foremost I simply meant to say that I intend to do all I can to maintain the musician's relationship and understand his or her needs. I would not intend to belittle the musician if he or she is not as good of an organist as I am. I would make it a special point to help the musician to use their particular gifts in a way that would best suit the church, etc etc...   I'll admit, that was much too general of a comment using the word foremost. In the mix of things, clergy and musician are no more important than one another. I just think it would make a difference if the pastor had been there/done that.     Blessings, Beau Surratt, Organist St. Peter's UCC, Elmhurst,IL Organ Performance Major, Northern Illinois University, DeKalb,IL     -----Original Message----- From: Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 20:34:53 -0500 Subject: Re: pastor/musician relations   > On 3/3/03 6:27 PM, "Beau Surratt" <Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com> > wrote: > > > from what I wrote in my post, I do intend to keep the church > musician's > > concerns foremost. That was the whole point of the message. > > > I gotcha, Beau. I'm not ready to agree with it the way you say it. I > don't > think there should be a "foremost" or a "hindmost." Generally. In any > individual case, yes. But, across the board, over a decade or two, I > think > there will be cases where your pastoral sense will GOVERN your musical > sense. But there will be other cases where it works the other way > around. > I think. (Or maybe I don't.) > > The musician's job is a theological enterprise. The > pastor's/preacher's job > is a theological enterprise. But (I think, I think) neither one's more > so > than the other's. > > Maybe? > > Alan > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Pastor-musician relations From: "jon bertschinger" <jonberts@magiccablepc.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 21:08:13 -0600   Glenda: you and I both know this all too well <G>   Jon  
(back) Subject: tonight From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 21:13:55 -0800   Sorry I missed chat ... had choir practice for Shrove Tuesday Evensong and Ash Wednesday Mass.   Cheers,   Bud    
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(back) Subject: Tamburini behemoths From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 22:32:23 -0800   One has to wonder ... there was mention over on piporg-1 of the five-manual Tamburini in the National Auditorium in Mexico City ... I remember when that went in ... this was the first mention I'd heard of it since.   Another 5-manual went into a hall somewhere in the Vatican ... Germani dedicated it, I think ... and it hasn't been heard from since, AFAIK.   Has anyone ever HEARD or PLAYED a Tamburini? I THINK there's a large one in Santa Croce (Michaelangelo's church), but when I was there, it was still being repaired following the disastrous floods, so I didn't get to hear it. I recall someone saying it was the largest electric-action organ in Italy (??).   I was also amazed at the number of AUSTINS in Mexico from the 1920s ... wonder how THAT came about?   Sadly, most of the organs in Central and South America are slowly rotting away for lack of money/interest, along with the TREMENDOUS music libraries in the cathedrals and monasteries, some dating from the 15th-16th centuries.   I understand that Flentrop's "reconstruction" of the Three Kings' organ in the cathedral in Mexico City is basically a new Dutch neo-baroque organ with Spanish stop-names and a few chamades. Anybody heard it or played it?   Cheers,   Bud    
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