PipeChat Digest #3517 - Wednesday, March 5, 2003
 
Hymn or Anthem Help Needed
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: pastor/musician relations
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
mono vs stereo sylii for an LP
  by "Ray Kimber" <ray@kimber.com>
Pastor-musician relations
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@scti.net>
Re: Hymn or Anthem Help Needed
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
Re: Hymn or Anthem Help Needed
  by <Pepehomer@aol.com>
Hymn or Anthem Search for Luke 5:1-11
  by "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
PS re: anthem search
  by "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net>
 

(back) Subject: Hymn or Anthem Help Needed From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:21:33 EST     --part1_40.2c7c05ba.2b968efd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   Hymn or Anthem Search for Luke 5:1-11 (i.e., 'we worked all night and = caught=3D =3D20 no fish' - or 'our nets were full to the breaking.)" __________________________________________________________ luke 5 Once while Jesus was standing beside the lake of Gennesaret, and the = crowd=3D20 was pressing in on him to hear the word of God, 2he saw two boats there = at=3D20 the shore of the lake; the fishermen had gone out of them and were = washing=3D20 their nets. 3He got into one of the boats, the one belonging to Simon, = and=3D20 asked him to put out a little way from the shore. Then he sat down and = taugh=3D t=3D20 the crowds from the boat. 4When he had finished speaking, he said to = Simon,=3D20=3D =3DE2=3D80=3D98 Put out into the deep water and let down your nets for a = catch.=3DE2=3D80=3D99 5Si=3D mon=3D20 answered, =3DE2=3D80=3D98Master, we have worked all night long but have = caught not=3D hing. Yet=3D20 if you say so, I will let down the nets.=3DE2=3D80=3D99 6When they had = done this,=3D20=3D they=3D20 caught so many fish that their nets were beginning to break. 7So they=3D20 signalled to their partners in the other boat to come and help them. And = the=3D y=3D20 came and filled both boats, so that they began to sink. 8But when Simon = Pete=3D r=3D20 saw it, he fell down at Jesus=3DE2=3D80=3D99 knees, saying, = =3DE2=3D80=3D98Go away from=3D20=3D me, Lord, for I=3D20 am a sinful man!=3DE2=3D80=3D99 9For he and all who were with him were = amazed at t=3D he catch=3D20 of fish that they had taken; 10and so also were James and John, sons = of=3D20 Zebedee, who were partners with Simon. Then Jesus said to Simon, = =3DE2=3D80=3D98Do=3D not be=3D20 afraid; from now on you will be catching people.=3DE2=3D80=3D99 11When = they had br=3D ought=3D20 their boats to shore, they left everything and followed him.=3D20     I could find only one hymn and its tune is too difficult for our = congregatio=3D n=3D20 without a couple weeks' preparation.=3D20   Direct suggestions of hymntext(s) and/or an anthems based on this = Biblical=3D20 story would be very helpful. I just got this scripture reference this noon = s=3D o=3D20 the pressure is on. (Sorry!)   Dale Rider Independence, MO         --part1_40.2c7c05ba.2b968efd_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"=3D Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0">Hymn or Anthem Search for Luke 5:1-11 = </FONT><FO=3D NT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D1 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0">(i.e., <B>'we worked = all nigh=3D t and caught no fish' - or&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 'our nets were full to the = brea=3D king.</B>)"</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #fffff=3D f" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" = LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> __________________________________________________________<BR> <B>luke 5<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D1=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0"></B>Once while = Jesus w=3D as standing beside the lake of Gennesaret, and the crowd was pressing in = on=3D20=3D him to hear the word of God, </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#777777" = style=3D3D"BACKGR=3D OUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D1 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New = Roman" LANG=3D =3D3D"0">2</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff"=3D20=3D SIZE=3D3D1 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0">he = saw two boa=3D ts there at the shore of the lake; the fishermen had gone out of them and = we=3D re washing their nets. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#777777" = style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-C=3D OLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D1 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" = LANG=3D3D"0"=3D >3</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D =3D3D1 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0">He got = into one of=3D the boats, the one belonging to Simon, and asked him to put out a little = wa=3D y from the shore. Then he sat down and taught the crowds from the boat. </FO=3D NT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#777777" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D1 FAM=3D ILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0">4</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#0=3D 00000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D1 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D =3D3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0">When he had finished speaking, he said = to Si=3D mon, =3DE2=3D80=3D98Put out into the deep water and let down your nets for = a catch=3D ..=3DE2=3D80=3D99 </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#777777" = style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #fffff=3D f" SIZE=3D3D1 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" = LANG=3D3D"0">5</FONT><FO=3D NT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D1 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0">Simon answered, = =3DE2=3D80=3D98Mast=3D er, we have worked all night long but have caught nothing. Yet if you say = so=3D , I will let down the nets.=3DE2=3D80=3D99 </FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#777777" style=3D =3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D1 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Times New R=3D oman" LANG=3D3D"0">6</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=3D #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D1 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" = LANG=3D3D"0">When=3D they had done this, they caught so many fish that their nets were = beginning=3D to break. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#777777" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #fffff=3D f" SIZE=3D3D1 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" = LANG=3D3D"0">7</FONT><FO=3D NT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D1 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0">So they signalled to = their pa=3D rtners in the other boat to come and help them. And they came and filled = bot=3D h boats, so that they began to sink. </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#777777" = style=3D =3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D1 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Times New R=3D oman" LANG=3D3D"0">8</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=3D #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D1 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" = LANG=3D3D"0">But=3D20=3D when Simon Peter saw it, he fell down at Jesus=3DE2=3D80=3D99 knees, = saying, =3DE2=3D =3D80=3D98Go away from me, Lord, for I am a sinful man!=3DE2=3D80=3D99 = </FONT><FONT C=3D OLOR=3D3D"#777777" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D1 = FAMILY=3D3D"SERI=3D F" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0">9</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#000000" styl=3D e=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D1 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Times New=3D20=3D Roman" LANG=3D3D"0">For he and all who were with him were amazed at the = catch=3D20=3D of fish that they had taken; </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#777777" = style=3D3D"BACKGR=3D OUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D1 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New = Roman" LANG=3D =3D3D"0">10</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: = #ffffff"=3D SIZE=3D3D1 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0">and = so also w=3D ere James and John, sons of Zebedee, who were partners with Simon. Then = Jesu=3D s said to Simon, =3DE2=3D80=3D98Do not be afraid; from now on you will be = catching=3D people.=3DE2=3D80=3D99 </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#777777" = style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=3D #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D1 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" = LANG=3D3D"0">11</=3D FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D1 F=3D AMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0">When they had = brought th=3D eir boats to shore, they left everything and followed him. <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D3=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> <BR> I could find only one hymn and its tune is too difficult for our = congregatio=3D n without a couple weeks' preparation. <BR> <BR> Direct suggestions of hymntext(s) and/or an anthems based on this Biblical = s=3D tory would be very helpful. I just got this scripture reference this noon = so=3D the pressure is on. (Sorry!)<BR> <BR> Dale Rider<BR> Independence, MO<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_40.2c7c05ba.2b968efd_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: pastor/musician relations From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 18:29:44 EST     --part1_2d.2bc899ea.2b9690e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/4/03 8:42:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com writes:     > i really think some people didn't read my post carefully enough > an made it say what they wanted to preach about. It has certainly been > turned into something it wasn't. >   Beau, If you're going to be clergy you're going to have to learn to deal with miscommunication in a much kinder way. There are already enough "mean" ministers! hmmmm.... come to think of it, there are enough "mean" organists, too!   ;-)   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_2d.2bc899ea.2b9690e8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 3/4/03=3D 8:42:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, Beau.Surratt@theatreorgans.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">i really think some = people=3D20=3D didn't read my post carefully enough=3D20 <BR>an made it say what they wanted to preach about. It has certainly = been=3D20 <BR>turned into something it wasn't. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>Beau,=3D20 <BR>If you're going to be clergy you're going to have to learn to deal = with=3D20=3D miscommunication in a much kinder way. &nbsp;&nbsp;There are already = enough=3D20=3D "mean" ministers! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;hmmmm.... come to think of it, there = are=3D enough "mean" organists, too! <BR> <BR>;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_2d.2bc899ea.2b9690e8_boundary--  
(back) Subject: mono vs stereo sylii for an LP From: "Ray Kimber" <ray@kimber.com> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:12:13 -0700   Hi List,   A mono record has grooves that wiggle side to side. A stereo record = wiggles at 45 degrees on both sides of vertical. (There were other rare methods, but it would be unlikely that anyone would have any of those records and = not know what they were).   You can more easily damage a stereo LP with a mono stylus, than the other way round. It has to do with how readily a stylus will move in the direction that the vinyl is pushing it. If in doubt, replace!   If you have a valuable LP collection it would be worth it to talk to a specialist to get the stylus/cartridge combination that gives you least = wear on whatever turntable you have.   Kind regards,   Ray    
(back) Subject: Pastor-musician relations From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@scti.net> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 19:39:07 -0600   Beau, what I am saying is that it is hard to do both jobs at the same time effectively, and there is no guarantee that one having training in both fields will be any more sympathetic or better than another. You may be good at it, but there is a greater chance that you are going to end up on one side or the other of the fence - it's painful and not usually productive to straddle it. I think cross-training is a wonderful idea, but it's how you use it that counts.   Many times I've thought I could do the priest's job better than he can, but it doesn't mean that my way will reach more people for God. God works just as much through the "weak and foolish", and the mundane and mediocre and pitiful, and even the nonmusical, at least around my neighborhood.   You asked the question - I'm sorry if some of the replies were not what you were looking for.   Follow your heart - go where God leads it.   Glenda Sutton        
(back) Subject: Re: Hymn or Anthem Help Needed From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 19:35:44 -0500   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_369869726= =3D=3D.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii"; format=3Dflowed   At 06:21 PM 04/03/2003 -0500, ProOrgo53@aol.com wrote: >Hymn or Anthem Search for Luke 5:1-11 (i.e., 'we worked all night and >caught no fish' - or 'our nets were full to the breaking.)"     Drop by one of your neighboring ELCA churches and borrow a copy of "With one Voice" and take a look at #784 which is titled "You have come down to the Lakeshore". This is referenced to Luke 5: 1-11 in the index. It is not too difficult to sing .   HD   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_369869726= =3D=3D.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii"   <html> <body> At 06:21 PM 04/03/2003 -0500, ProOrgo53@aol.com wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite><font face=3D"Times New Roman, = Times">Hymn or Anthem Search for Luke 5:1-11 </font><font face=3D"Times New Roman, Times" size=3D1>(i.e., <b>'we worked all night and caught no fish' - or&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 'our nets were full to the breaking.</b>)&quot;</font><font face=3D"Times New Roman, = Times"></blockquote><br><br> Drop by one of your neighboring ELCA churches and borrow a copy of &quot;With one Voice&quot; and take a look at <br> #784&nbsp; which is titled &quot;You have come down to the Lakeshore&quot;. This is referenced to Luke 5: 1-11 in the index.<br> It is not too difficult to sing&nbsp; .<br><br> HD</font></body> <br> </html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_369869726= =3D=3D.ALT--    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymn or Anthem Help Needed From: <Pepehomer@aol.com> Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2003 21:55:13 -0500   Or, if you're going to that ELCA church, pick up the "green" hymnal and = try out 449 "They Cast Their Nets" - I've never been a huge fan of it, but = you could try it - it's close to the text... a little... it's a stretch... =     Justin Karch Organist, Holy Trinity LCMS Rome, GA  
(back) Subject: Hymn or Anthem Search for Luke 5:1-11 From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:34:09 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00BC_01C2E295.CA4020C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi Dale, for a fairly easy anthem which is a lot of fun, take a look at = =3D "Carol of the Fishermen" by Natalie Sleeth. It is set for 2 parts, but I = =3D split my choir into sop/ten for part 1 and alto/bass for part 2. Here =3D is the text: "O listen to my story and mind you listen well, for =3D =3DE2=3D80=3D98tis of Simon Peter and Andrew that I tell: two fishermen so = =3D lowly who by the sea did dwell, sing heyderry, hiderry, heyderry, =3D hiderry, heyderry, hiderry ho. And with them were two others who lived =3D in Galilee: One James and John his brother, the sons of Zebedee; they =3D labored there together beside the windy sea, sing heyderry, hiderry, =3D heyderry, hiderry, heyderry, hiderry ho. One day the Lord came walking =3D and to them all said He: =3DE2=3D80=3D98O leave your nets behind you, rise = up =3D and follow me, and fishers all of mankind from this day forth =3D you=3DE2=3D80=3D99ll be,=3DE2=3D80=3D99 sing heyderry, hiderry, heyderry, = hiderry, =3D heyderry, hiderry ho."=3D20   Not sure if it is in print or not.=3D20   Hope this helps. =3D20   Robert Eversman Director of Music/Organist Heritage Congregational Church Madison, WI       ------=3D_NextPart_000_00BC_01C2E295.CA4020C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D3D"text/html; charset=3D3Dutf-8" = http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.00.2314.1000" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hi Dale, for a fairly easy anthem = which =3D is a lot of=3D20 fun,&nbsp;take a look a</FONT><FONT size=3D3D2><FONT face=3D3DArial>t=3D20 </FONT>&nbsp;"Carol of the Fishermen" by Natalie Sleeth. It is set for 2 = =3D parts,=3D20 but I split my choir into sop/ten for part 1 and alto/bass for part =3D 2.&nbsp;=3D20 Here is the text: <I>"O listen to my story and mind you listen well, for = =3D =3DE2=3D80=3D98tis of=3D20 Simon Peter and Andrew that I tell: two fishermen so lowly who by the =3D sea did=3D20 dwell, sing heyderry, hiderry, heyderry, hiderry, heyderry, hiderry ho. = =3D And with=3D20 them were two others who lived in Galilee: One James and John his =3D brother, the=3D20 sons of Zebedee; they labored there together beside the windy sea, = sing=3D20 heyderry, hiderry, heyderry, hiderry, heyderry, hiderry ho. One day the = =3D Lord=3D20 came walking and to them all said He: =3DE2=3D80=3D98O leave your nets = behind =3D you, rise up and=3D20 follow me, and fishers all of mankind from this day forth = you=3DE2=3D80=3D99ll =3D be,=3DE2=3D80=3D99 sing=3D20 heyderry, hiderry, heyderry, hiderry, heyderry, hiderry ho." =3D </I></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><I></I></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><I>Not sure if it is in print or not. =3D </I></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><I></I></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><I>Hope this helps.&nbsp; </I></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><I></I></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><I>Robert Eversman</I></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><I>Director of Music/Organist</I></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><I>Heritage Congregational Church</I></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><I>Madison, WI</I></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><I></I></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT size=3D3D2><I>&nbsp;</DIV></I></FONT></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_00BC_01C2E295.CA4020C0--    
(back) Subject: PS re: anthem search From: "Robert Eversman" <highnote@mhtc.net> Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 21:40:58 -0600   Carol of the Fishermen by Natalie Sleeth is published (or was) by = A.M.S.I., Minn Minn as a separate anthem reprinted from I Sing To Rejoice God, Book = 2, 1971 AMSI # 249