PipeChat Digest #3531 - Monday, March 10, 2003
 
Re: OUR BEST?
  by "Richard Jordan" <mail@gesangbuch.org>
Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, LA
  by "Daryl Robinson" <drobinson@houston.rr.com>
Re: OUR BEST?
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, LA
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, LA
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, LA
  by "Daryl Robinson" <drobinson@houston.rr.com>
Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, LA
  by "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com>
it's all in what you're USED to
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Student seeks Used Bach Durpe V. 5
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
RE: OUR BEST?
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Long RE: ANOTHER RANT
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, LA
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Student seeks Used Bach Durpe V. 5
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
Re: releathering Moller chests
  by "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com>
RE.: OUR BEST?
  by "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: OUR BEST? From: "Richard Jordan" <mail@gesangbuch.org> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:06:33 -0600   At 10:35 PM 3/9/03 -0800, you wrote: >They moved their guitar twanging hootenanny service to >6:30 PM.   It might be helpful to think about why this is - I believe that there is a good reason for "guitar twanging hootenanny " it is simply the popular musical language of our time [like it or not] while at the same time there is little in educational opportunities to hear or to understand that traditional music of the church.   Part of the problem is schools no longer teach music appreciation, [or if they do it is oriented towards ethnic, or "world" music] and curriculum for ethnic diversify tend to omit anything about white Europeans.   Part of the problem is that there is very little opportunity to hear church music [except praise & worship] on TV or radio.   Part of the problem is that the churches have not done a very good job of teaching their tradition and what it means.   I have seen that, particularly among Midwesterners, under 30, given the choice of "A Mighty Fortress" on an organ or twangy guitars with a beat [bass and drums] they would prefer the later, because they understand it, because it is the musical language they most often live with.   I may not like it, but I do understand it, while I have an understand of most musical styles, I tend to avoid modern atonal works and also french romantic organ - because - they are unfamiliar, I find them harder to listen to harder to understand, harder to appreciate - If I have this problem, it is not hard to understand why others can have a similar problem with the traditional music of the = church.   lets go a little further, church organists have been taken for granted for a long time, things that are taken for granted are often neglected, and many churches have suffered with poor organists for many years, because they are taken for granted, they don't practise, they don't = improve and the state of church music thus falls into decline [forget that the state of music in general has also fallen into decline, not to mention discipline necessary to make a musician ] So, given that it generally takes at least 3 years of study to get something resembling an organist, while we can get a guitar player in a year or less [not to mention the difference in price between a beginners organ and a beginners guitar] is it any wonder that we might have guitars and at the same time a shortage of organists?   So, returning the the question of - our best? are we doing our best to provide an environment where church music and the pipe organ will thrive and flourish?         Regards, Richard Jordan   http://www.Lutheran-Hymnal.com http://www.OnJordansBanks.com  
(back) Subject: Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, LA From: "Daryl Robinson" <drobinson@houston.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:30:52 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01C2E6F8.81F57420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable     Just found this info. on the Dobson website.........WOW. It looks like =3D an impressive organ for sure.........anyone heard it?   The room looks gorgeous as well!!   http://www.dobsonorgan.com/html/instruments/op75_losangeles.html   Daryl ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01C2E6F8.81F57420 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Just found this info. on the = Dobson=3D20 website.........WOW. It looks like an impressive organ for =3D sure.........anyone=3D20 heard it?</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>The room looks gorgeous as =3D well!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.dobsonorgan.com/html/instruments/op75_losangeles.html"= =3D >http://www.dobsonorgan.com/html/instruments/op75_losangeles.html</A></FO= =3D NT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Daryl</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0009_01C2E6F8.81F57420--    
(back) Subject: Re: OUR BEST? From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:33:54 EST     --part1_a7.2f71642d.2b9e2682_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Richard, I agree with what you said. Thanks for posting it. Lee   --part1_a7.2f71642d.2b9e2682_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#400040" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Richard, I agree with what = you said=3D .. Thanks for posting it.&nbsp; Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_a7.2f71642d.2b9e2682_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, LA From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:57:39 EST     --part1_140.c8b7e51.2b9e2c13_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hello Daryl,   A priest friend of mine is in residence at the Cathedral while working on his Doctorate.He will be at our Parish for Holy Week and Easter = to visit my Pastor and our parish family, so I will get the lowdown on this awesome looking instrument. From what I briefly from him it is a fabulous sound. Have a great week. Hope all is well.   Peace,   Dan Port Orange, Florida   --part1_140.c8b7e51.2b9e2c13_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Tw Cen MT" LANG=3D3D"0">Hello Daryl,<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A priest friend of mine is in = residenc=3D e at the Cathedral while working on his Doctorate.He will be at our Parish = f=3D or Holy Week and Easter to visit my Pastor and our parish family, so I = will=3D20=3D get the lowdown on this awesome looking instrument. From what I briefly = from=3D him it is a fabulous sound. Have a great week. Hope all is well.<BR> <BR> Peace,<BR> <BR> Dan<BR> Port Orange, Florida </FONT></HTML>   --part1_140.c8b7e51.2b9e2c13_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, LA From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:59:59 EST     --part1_3a.35aca24d.2b9e2c9f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hello Again Daryl,     You can tell is is Monday for sure. I typed so fast i forgot the bloody =   verb. LOL What I heard briefly from my friend is that the organ has a fabulous sound.   Peace,   Dan   --part1_3a.35aca24d.2b9e2c9f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Tw Cen MT" LANG=3D3D"0">Hello Again Daryl,<BR> <BR> <BR> &nbsp; You can tell is is Monday for sure. I&nbsp; typed so fast i forgot = th=3D e bloody verb.&nbsp; LOL What I heard briefly from my friend is that the = org=3D an has a fabulous sound.<BR> <BR> &nbsp; Peace,<BR> <BR> Dan</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3a.35aca24d.2b9e2c9f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, LA From: "Daryl Robinson" <drobinson@houston.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:12:26 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C2E6FE.5086D310 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I put it all together...........i did re-read that once though! lol   Monday Monday...........*sings*   ;) ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Icedad@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 11:59 AM Subject: Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, LA     Hello Again Daryl,     You can tell is is Monday for sure. I typed so fast i forgot the =3D bloody verb. LOL What I heard briefly from my friend is that the organ = =3D has a fabulous sound.   Peace,   Dan ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C2E6FE.5086D310 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>I put it all together...........i did = =3D re-read that=3D20 once though! lol</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Monday =3D Monday...........*sings*</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>;)</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DIcedad@aol.com =3D href=3D3D"mailto:Icedad@aol.com">Icedad@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, March 10, 2003 = =3D 11:59=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Cathedral of Our = =3D Lady of the=3D20 Angels, LA</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 = face=3D3D"Tw =3D Cen MT" size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Hello Again Daryl,<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp; You can tell = =3D is is=3D20 Monday for sure. I&nbsp; typed so fast i forgot the bloody verb.&nbsp; = =3D LOL=3D20 What I heard briefly from my friend is that the organ has a = fabulous=3D20 sound.<BR><BR>&nbsp; Peace,<BR><BR>Dan</FONT> =3D </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_000A_01C2E6FE.5086D310--    
(back) Subject: Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, LA From: "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:44:58 -0800 (PST)     Okay, I must ask: when would you use a 32' register on the great?   As an introductory, I'm Bill Sebring's room-mate, and play the instrument (classical repertoire) as an avocation. I have a digital Baldwin/Church Organ Systems 2m practice instrument at home.   -Bill   --- Daryl Robinson <drobinson@houston.rr.com> wrote: > > Just found this info. on the Dobson website.........WOW. It > looks like an impressive organ for sure.........anyone heard > it? > > The room looks gorgeous as well!! > > http://www.dobsonorgan.com/html/instruments/op75_losangeles.html > > Daryl     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D    
(back) Subject: it's all in what you're USED to From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:53:21 -0800       Robert Eversman wrote: > > Bud, I don't know how you keep all this straight ! It makes my service = look > like a kindergarten affair ! Truly, I admire your great efforts.   Robert, it's like riding a bicycle. If you do it from the cradle onward (as I did), it's as natural as breathing ... my choir sings at LEAST half the Mass from MEMORY (chuckle).   > My service yesterday included a new prayer response which bombed royal. It is > amazing how a 10 second piece of music can let the steam out of an = otherwise > well prepared service. The worst part is that the response is right = before > the oft. anthem ! Oh well, we all learned from it and I will work hard = to > see that that does not happen again.   We have the same problem ... shortest things are the hardest to bring off.   Yesterday was my first Sunday back after being ill for most of the Sundays since Christmas. It was (obviously) the First Sunday in Lent, and MOST of the music for the liturgy changes. I played the wrong chant for "All Things Come of Thee" (which replaces the Doxology during Lent) .... an eight-measure snippet that I've only played for fifty years (!) .... fortunately, it was a chant that the choir and congregation KNEW, so they sang it amiably enough, albeit with a few snarky glances from the choir (grin).   The bright side of the coin is that I > introduced them (a congregational church mind you !) to The Glory of = These > Forty Days (Heinlein) and they loved it ! > > Robert Eversman > Blue Mounds, WI >   By contrast, *I* find substituting in a protestant church to be TOTALLY confusing (grin), since every one is different. I remember one in particular where it seemed like I was dinging the chimes every five minutes to signal for this or that thing to happen (stand up, sit down, begin the call to worship, children return from Sunday School, etc.) ... and they were JUST as Pavlovian as Catholics are with the Sanctus bells (chuckle) ... I forgot one "ding", and the minister had to TELL them what to do (grin).   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Student seeks Used Bach Durpe V. 5 From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:44:50 -0500   A student is in need of Vol. 5 of the Bach Dupre Edition...wants it for the fingering.   Anyone who might have a copy to sell, please email <cperry@us.ibm.com>   I'd sell mine, but I'm not embarassed to admit, I need those fingerings!     -- noel jones, aago athens, tennessee, usa ------------------------------- frog music press rodgers organ users group www.frogmusic.com    
(back) Subject: RE: OUR BEST? From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:12:16 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   D. Keith Morgan <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> wrote:     > Today I went to meet a friend for a recital, and > parked in the parking lot of a church which I > occasionally go. > > They moved their guitar twanging hootenanny service to > 6:30 PM.   Mass destruction :) Out of curiosity: Are these "youth worships" well attended- is to say, "full house"?- Are = they better, less or equal attended than "traditional" worships?- We had the experience here in some churches that youths didn't came in "because in = the Disco we here far better music", and "Old Folks" [not MY statement !!]:) didn't came for obvious reasons.   Last week there was an interesting thread about this in a List...   Cheers Andres (Who at last got in this morning the (in)famous Nigerian Scam Mail !! :):)      
(back) Subject: Long RE: ANOTHER RANT From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:19:43 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Daryl gave us some food for thought when he wrote:   > It is NO wonder that the organ is a dying species...........all of these academic STUCK up types that want to build historically ACCURATE organs = get all upset when something NEW is introduced. Rather that be ALL digital = organ or combination organs with pipes and electronics. I wouldnt exactly say = that at the time Silbermann was building organs that his were very TRADITIONAL. = I see the evolution of the digital organ as the NEXT step in the organ = world. And hybrid organs are a great way to incorporate the old with the new. =3D=3D=3D Another "pipe vs digital" that starts here, WATCH OUT!! :)... Silbermann made the most advanced organs he could manufacture with the technologic, social and culture level of his time. Pipe organ made a huge evolution since them, due to new materials, inventions and industrial proceedings. Right now, former electromechanical consoles get Solid State systems. To negate this bulk of culture and technology advance in organ building to stick to a certain 18th or 19th cty style or system -no matter which one- is unacceptable for me.   Digital is a very recent developement- my pros and contras are NOT aesthetical, academic or ideologic but technical. Greatest disadvantage to yet: A digital organ (ANY digital device !) is discontinued after some = years and repairing becomes very difficult because it needs specific spare = parts. Other technical aspect: The best loudspeakers never achieve the result as pipes. Advantage: The organist can "voice" the (digital) organ to his taste- the wawes can be modified to sawtooth or square; the overtones intensity can = be graduated... of course we can ask ourselves: Is the organist a voicer? A pipe organ (properly cared and used of course) lasts forever and can be repaired easily- if you cannot get the spare parts, a skilled technician = can manufacture them in his shop. I must do that almost all the time because imports and exchange are wickedly restricted in my country. My "digital" colleague is stuck- he cannot manufacture a chip. =3D=3D=3D > the practicalness of many congregations putting that kind of value on a ORGAN is not practical at this time. For two reasons I think...........firstly the current economy. Secondly, the view of the = organ has NOT been very highly regarded the last decade or two. The congregation doesnt see the organ as a necessisty anymore partly, I believe, due to the academic rather BORING organists and the historically accurate MACHINES = that they are playing on. =3D=3D=3D This needs to be considered in the tecnical-artistic aspect and the = recital organisation aspect.- First thing first, the technical :)   No matter their size or tracker system; if they are from Middle Age, 18th cty, "Romantic", "Victorian", "Fabrikorgel", "Neobarroque" or "Postmodern" times, if they were manufactured by a renowned builder or an obscure artisan; or if they are from Germany, France, Russia, USA, Japan or the Never-Neverlands: There are TWO kinds of pipe organs: Good ones and bad ones. So simple. Bad ones are misvoiced or have chronic technical problems, or both, and = are a [costly!] nightmare to owners, users and audience. Good ones ever will be a joy to play and hear by good organists.   A good organ lasts forever, for that it's worth the investion, even in these difficult times. That some folks throw it out because they want a new, different one is another thing. I will keep out misfortunes like natural catastrophes or vandalism :)   A boring organist (I know exacltly what you refer too!) isn't a good organist, hencefore he isn't an artist. The best organ sounds boring when the organist cannot registrate or play well on them, or if he intends to play music that was = not written for this particular styled instrument - Cesar Franck on a neo barroque Kleuker, for example, sounds criminal. The "Universalorgel" = remains as an utopia, never mind if it has 100+ stops. It's less the spec but the tonal finishing that gives personality to an organ.   Now, to the recital organisation: My father always told: "You must remember that an organ is a machine, and even best performed it becomes boring to hear after an hour (referred to recitals). This way, if you plan to make a concert that will last over an hour *never* forget to put in at least two or three choir works *and* an intermission. Better is to keep recitals *under* an hour"- later on my = piano teacher at the Music High told me: "Up to 40 minutes- straight; 40 minutes up- ten minutes intermission; *never* over 75 minutes recital duration"   More can be done to interest the audience. I start explaining what an organ is. Brief biography of the composer and explanation of his work I = will perform. Closed Circuit so people can see what's going on the choir. Greeting the people at the church door. When the oganist can't (or won't) = do that, a "contact manager" becomes necessary. I wrote about this not so = long ago... I believe it was in another List.   Against a boring, mechanical performance however nothing can be done = (except lynching the organist- LOL) =3D=3D=3D > The organ has always had a prominent stage in history and the organ = would probably be worse off today if Virgil Fox and Diane Bish hadnt done and = are doing to help the organ. Yes Diane sells the organ like a pair of shoes, = but shes getting the organ to the masses, and making good money doing it. =3D=3D=3D I agree 100% to this. Even when organ building/playing never was a good business (Johann Sebastian Bach and Aristide Cavaille Coll died without leaving a cent) a minimum wage and encouragement becomes necessary to keep the "King of Instruments" image high. We live in a money-centered age, and today's people have far more distractions at their fingertips than fifty years ago. Like it or not (I *don't* like it!) we must keep this in mind and adapt ourselves: the image of the organ must be "sold", even when this idea doesn't fit with our academic sheme. Regretfully my colleagues don't agree with that, and this way they give 19th cty styled recitals in 21th cty and = never see a cent (both morally and monetary) for their efforts. Even the Venezuelan Culture Department wants to see a "full house" when it spends a couple of millions in a recital without getting a cent in return because state sponsored recitals are for free. But they send inspectors to the event, and when the inspectors see only a dozen people they don't sponsor = us anymore.   I fear that I have thrown in *more* food for thought... Remember. There are not bad organs- there are bad organists (LOL) Andres. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.        
(back) Subject: Re: Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, LA From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 12:20:34 -0800   In French romantic literature that's written at the top of the keyboard, so that you still have a (sounding) 16' register.   Cheers,   Bud   Bill Raty wrote: > > Okay, I must ask: when would you use a 32' register on the > great? > > As an introductory, I'm Bill Sebring's room-mate, and play the > instrument (classical repertoire) as an avocation. I have a > digital Baldwin/Church Organ Systems 2m practice instrument at > home. > > -Bill > > --- Daryl Robinson <drobinson@houston.rr.com> wrote: > > > > Just found this info. on the Dobson website.........WOW. It > > looks like an impressive organ for sure.........anyone heard > > it? > > > > The room looks gorgeous as well!! > > > > > http://www.dobsonorgan.com/html/instruments/op75_losangeles.html > > > > Daryl > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Student seeks Used Bach Durpe V. 5 From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:14:18 -0500   Dear Noel, I don;t have volume V but the ones that I have I refer to as my "Dead Sea Scrolls." I don;t think they would survive much handling. They still have my name with military rank on them. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 2:44 PM Subject: Student seeks Used Bach Durpe V. 5     > A student is in need of Vol. 5 of the Bach Dupre Edition...wants it for > the fingering. > > Anyone who might have a copy to sell, please email <cperry@us.ibm.com> > > I'd sell mine, but I'm not embarassed to admit, I need those fingerings! > > > -- > noel jones, aago > athens, tennessee, usa > ------------------------------- > frog music press > rodgers organ users group > www.frogmusic.com > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: releathering Moller chests From: "Luther Melby" <lmelby@prtel.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 16:41:28 -0600   The Moller organ that I installed in my church is a 1926 model. It has all the original chest leather. I shudder to think of when we need to redo it. I don't understand the comment about "wholesale revoicing" the pipes. In both cases the pipes stand over a valve that is directly below them, The only difference, that I see, is in how they are opened. If I had my way, in our situation, I would go for the electro mech. If for no other reason than for the repair work in the future.   A hobbyist, Luther   -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: pipechat@pipechat.org <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Monday, March 10, 2003 7:54 AM Subject: releathering Moller chests     >We bought a '66 Moller a couple of years ago and put it into storage >until the new church was built. We investigated releathering vs. new >pitman chests. One builder DID want to take the old Moller chests and >change them to electro-mechanical action. But several OTHER builders >told me that wasn't feasible ... the pipes would require wholesale >revoicing, and there wasn't room for individul magnets in the treble. > >clip >Cheers, > >Bud >      
(back) Subject: RE.: OUR BEST? From: "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:44:38 -0800 (PST)   To date, I have received about 15 responses about the message I wrote about the "hootenanny guitar-twanging" service.   All of them were positive and supportive; however, I received this one today:   Is this what PIPORG-L is degenerating into? I really think we should seriously consider putting a moderator in place so that we may at least spare ourselves having to read this trash. That is, if anyone on this list actually has an open mind...   Somebody must be wrong.   D. Keith Morgan   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/