PipeChat Digest #3542 - Saturday, March 15, 2003
 
Re: 2 or 3 manuals
  by "John Jarvis" <jjarvis@attbi.com>
Re: TCLewis
  by "alantaylor" <alantaylor@v21mail.co.uk>
Re: MP3's
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Spanish organs
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
RE: Bach Dupre edition
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: Spanish organs
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Speaking of funerals...
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: Hymn to Alan Laufman
  by "MARAUDER" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
RE: Bach Dupre edition WOOOPS!!
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
RE: 2 or 3 manual
  by "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com>
Console pricing
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Console pricing
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Re: Console pricing
  by "David" <Dave@BunnMinnick.com>
Kilgen Magnets
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: MP3's
  by "John Seboldt" <rohrwerk@seboldt.net>
Re: Hymn to Alan Laufman
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: MP3's
  by "John Seboldt" <rohrwerk@seboldt.net>
Re: TWO OR THREE MANUALS?
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Cross Post - Elgar Variations
  by "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net>
Re: Cross Post - Elgar Variations
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
Re: Cross Post - Elgar Variations
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: 2 or 3 manuals From: "John Jarvis" <jjarvis@attbi.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 04:52:28 -0800   Some one asked:   why aren't there a plethora of 3 manual, 45 rank equivalent instruments available at the $10-15K range?   Ah, a question that I can finally answer for the learned people on this list! The question is asked is a very good one as we are "told" that = the same chips used in Digital organs are also used in PC and other = electronic gear. While the chips "types" are very similar, they are used in very different applications in an organ than say in a DVD player, PC or etc. = The development costs of a chip, the surrounding electronics and software to drive the chip, the various governmental approvals, patents, and etc are virtually the same - no matter what application use for the chip.   These costs are then spread over the several million products that will utilize a particular chip and /or electronic product design. The cost = to develop a "new" chip (Pentium III vs. Pentium V) is approximately $1 = billion dollars. However, it is estimated that over 300 Million PCs were sold = last year - in a down year. That's means these development costs add pennies = to each product's cost.   Obviously, organ manufactures don't spend a Billion Bucks to create new chips and are able utilize "standard" chip technology in their products. However, they still have all of the other development costs which are = then spread over how many products sold each year? Perhaps, in a great year, = the total Digital Organ market is a few thousand units (including little keyboard, synthesizers and etc.) How many units did Allen or Rodgers = sell last year - in what appears to have been a good year? A few hundred = each? A couple of Thousand units at most per manufacture?   To get the price lower on organs <said with a very large = tongue-in-cheek>, we need to convince more people to buy organs.        
(back) Subject: Re: TCLewis From: "alantaylor" <alantaylor@v21mail.co.uk> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:25:20 -0000   You don't ask an easy question. The wonderful organ in Southwark Cathedral is in a most awkward position. So the answer to your question would depend whereabouts in the building you are.   One of the worse places to hear it is at the console.   The Salisbury organ is in a good position.   Alan Taylor London   ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Seboldt" <rohrwerk@seboldt.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:00 AM Subject: Re: TCLewis   > Unfortunately, I've only been able to hear this raved-about instrument = on > the recent BBC Choral Evensong webcast... great sound, but what does it > "feel" like in the room? > > In my visit to the Isles in 1985 for the summer RSCM course, the = cathedral > instrument that most stood out for me was the Salisbury "Father" Willis = - > just a kind of "presence" in the room, a careful balance of brilliance = and > body that just worked beautifully. For any of you that have compared = these > two, what could you say? > > (Unfortunately, missed out on Southwark "in the flesh" that year...) > > John Seboldt > Milwaukee > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: MP3's From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:38:39 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3130483120_9559787 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 3/13/03 9:39 PM, "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net> wrote:   > There are a few Holy Cross Lutherans in the St. Louis Metro area. There = =3D is > Holy Cross Lutheran, in the City where Jeff White played. I play at = Holy > Cross Lutheran, O'Fallon, MO which is west of St. Louis. >=3D20 OK, Trav. Thank you. I=3DB9ve updated my address book.   Alan     --B_3130483120_9559787 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: MP3's</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 3/13/03 9:39 PM, &quot;Travis L. = Evans&quot=3D ; &lt;tevansmo@prodigy.net&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">There are a few Holy = Cross =3D Lutherans in the St. Louis Metro area. &nbsp;There is Holy Cross Lutheran, = i=3D n the City where Jeff White played. &nbsp;I play at Holy Cross Lutheran, = O'F=3D allon, MO which is west of St. Louis. <BR> <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">OK, Trav. &nbsp;Thank = you.=3D &nbsp;I&#8217;ve updated my address book. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> Alan<BR> </FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3130483120_9559787--    
(back) Subject: Re: Spanish organs From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:38:24 -0700         My wife and I are going to make an unexpected 10 day trip to Spain leaving next Wednesday. We will be in Madrid, Toledo and the Andalusia region. Does anyone have any US friendly organist contacts with access to organs?   Thanks for any info that can be provided.     Del W. Case Pacific Union College  
(back) Subject: RE: Bach Dupre edition From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:48:05 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Dear List   I agree with all of Del Case' points. I own remastered records of Dupre = and Vierne playing Bach- horrible!:)- but, like my father, they were "childs = of their time".- I learned the "Overlegato" technique with my father ("don't leave a note until you attacked the next; change your fingers peu a peu" = etc :). Although it became very useful to play on reed organs, german = pneumatic actions and later on Cesar Franck, and Reger's small organ works where a = lot of legato is needed, my organ instructor in the Music High had me dismiss = it swiftly for Bach: Non legato! Non legato! was the watchword. Further, he told exactly what Del Case told in his posting: Bach has to "dance"; and = he told me how to achieve the effect.   I reccomend Dupre *for reference purposes only*- not to play slavishly all his fingerings and follow slavishly all his instructions. The new organ instructor claims for Urtext and demands to play Bach completely detached in staccato "because this is the way to do it = according to latest researchings" and even had the guts to tell me "you shouldn't = play Bach anymore with that outdated technique with its opaque articulation". (Grrrrr). He can have that- I play more Romantics and anyway I am working more on the technical field right now :)   Back to Dupre: I learned organ playing on AGO consoles, and a lot of = finger setting changes became necessary. But when I had to play Bach for first = time on a CC organ, with different action, different console measures (mostly = the pedals), different sound response, *certain* finger settings on *certain* passages suddently made sense. This was what I had in mind when I said = that Dupre's edition was designed to play on such organs- not the overlegato.- BTW I avoid in possible to play Bach on CC and when I have no other choice = I play only certain works. On our Detlef Kleuker low wind pressure-light action-quick chiff response-organs I have to use completely different = finger settings... to articulate accuratedly on them :)   > P.S. I have enjoyed your many informative postings on a wide variety of topics.   Thanks! I must confess that sometimes I feel somewhat guilty about my "Jack-in-all-the-trades" status. I know that certain people frown about that -they think "if you can all you can nothing right"- but it has to do with the inherited fact that it isn't possible to live from one thing = alone in my country.   Yours Andres :) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: Re: Spanish organs From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:25:06 -0800   I think you'll find for the most part that the great doors on the organ cases will be closed and locked. Spain still observes the "no organ during Lent" rule, AFAIK ... I seem to recall a friend trying to see organs in Spain during Lent a few years ago, and running up against the same problem.   That said, I guess it wouldn't hurt to TRY.   Cheers,   Bud   Del Case wrote: > > My wife and I are going to make an unexpected 10 day > trip to Spain leaving next Wednesday. We will be in Madrid, > Toledo and the Andalusia region. Does anyone have > any US friendly organist contacts with access to organs? > > Thanks for any info that can be provided. > > Del W. Case > Pacific Union College > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Speaking of funerals... From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:57:38 -0600   At 12:22 AM 1/1/00 -0500, you wrote: >CromorneCipher@hotmail.com   Jim...you might try checking your computer clock...note the date stamp on your original message...of course unless you like landing at the bottom of =   the stack....   jch      
(back) Subject: Re: Hymn to Alan Laufman From: "MARAUDER" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:01:39 -0500   My error, not Bruce's. Mea culpa.   Karl   > From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> > Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:28:19 -0500 > To: pipechat <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Subject: Hymn to Alan Laufman > > Hi, please, if you are planning to dedicate a hymn to Alan Laufman at = the > OHS, > spell his name correctly. > One "n" not two in Laufman. ?typo error. > Judy Ollikkala > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: RE: Bach Dupre edition WOOOPS!! From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:18:05 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Sorry, all!   This message was intended for a private response, not to be submitted to = the entire List- my PC submitted it however without me noticing. Although I stand with every word, discussions about *interpretation* are very subjective. Please don't start an argument over this point.   Andres. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.            
(back) Subject: RE: 2 or 3 manual From: "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:21:02 -0800 (PST)   My thanks to all who posted kind replies (Arie, Vern and John Jarvis).   I'm now are the top dollar figure I stated was far too low given the cost of parts and labor(!) for the extremely non computer related components (console, manuals, pedals, stop knobs of whatever ilk, and controls such as thumb and toe pistons), let alone speaker cabinets, shipping and installation.   That being said, isn't there a way to perhaps collapse the bottom (and possibly higher volume) end of product lines to get the run rate up and defray cost of R&D across more units? I'm speculating again (dangerous territory) but usually the bottom end of the product line is the "profit" territory, with the top end being the "pride".   Call me misguided, but I believe in James B. Jameson's (among others) assertion that it is possible to build an instrument that may not "authentically" serve all the major schools of music, but nonetheless can serve them (and the church service) musically nonetheless! For winded instruments an example would be the Church of the Advent in Boston. Hence the question about 3m/45 (and actually Mr. Jameson's book "Organ Design & Appraisal" puts forth a spec at 3m/35 as a minimum, granted with a full set of sub and super couplers to be used judiciously).   I believe its good stewardship to bless congregations with an instrument that can cover most of the bases, whether the given congregation can use the full capability at the time of purchase or not-- maybe some youngster will get the call. By "leading" with this kind of instrument as the bread and butter that a firm has to offer instead of the often seen two manual all under one expression.   I'd also like to add that a well rounded instrument probably can encourage, let alone enable, a more enthusiastic and varied performance from the organist, and that certainly has to lead to better worship service. Certainly I've played instruments (and venues) where I felt a powerful chemistry and connection, or spark, with the instrument and place. I can only hope the congregation felt the spark at those times too...   Thanks again,   -Bill   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D    
(back) Subject: Console pricing From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:20:38 EST   Where on earth are you folks getting your numbers from?  
(back) Subject: Re: Console pricing From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:25:05 -0500   At 05:20 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Where on earth are you folks getting your numbers from? Hi,   I don't know where they are getting their figures from. I would like to know myself, how to get a quality complete 3 man. console with tracker touch solid wood keyboards, a good pedalboard, good dual magnetic = drawstops for $15,000 U.S.   That doesn't even begin to touch the sound side of things...........   Arie V.      
(back) Subject: Re: Console pricing From: "David" <Dave@BunnMinnick.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 17:44:34 -0500   If you don't mind For Sale posts: FYI. Consoles for sale. www.bunnminnick.com -David   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 5:25 PM Subject: Re: Console pricing     > At 05:20 PM 3/14/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >Where on earth are you folks getting your numbers from? > Hi, > > I don't know where they are getting their figures from. I would like to > know myself, how to get a quality complete 3 man. console with tracker > touch solid wood keyboards, a good pedalboard, good dual magnetic drawstops > for $15,000 U.S. > > That doesn't even begin to touch the sound side of things........... > > Arie V. > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Kilgen Magnets From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:06:51 -0600   Thanks to all who responded to our plea for Kilgen magnets!!! It looks like we might be covered with Kilgen magnets coming in from all directions. Thanks again and I think we will now be well supplied. St. Mary's Fort Worth lives again!! Roy Redman    
(back) Subject: Re: MP3's From: "John Seboldt" <rohrwerk@seboldt.net> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:19:01 -0600   At 10:38 AM 3/14/03 -0500, you wrote: >On 3/13/03 9:39 PM, "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net> wrote: >There are a few Holy Cross Lutherans in the St. Louis Metro area. There >is Holy Cross Lutheran, in the City where Jeff White played. I play at >Holy Cross Lutheran, O'Fallon, MO which is west of St. Louis.   I am most aware of that St. Louis place, one of the LCMS "mother churches" =   in the area. That instrument is a Kilgen of early 20th century origin - quite fine for its type. a large 2 manual with a principal chorus from 16 to mixture, 2 8' open diapasons (one was the 16' extended up I think) and sundry other period sounds. I once corresponded with the organist there, and he had a website about the instrument. They did renovate it somewhat recently, with a new console and a certain number of tonal changes.   John Seboldt Milwaukee    
(back) Subject: Re: Hymn to Alan Laufman From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:16:36 EST     --part1_1d6.529381a.2ba3f514_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/14/03 3:02:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu writes:     > My error, not Bruce's. Mea culpa. > Mine, too... but it's been corrected!     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_1d6.529381a.2ba3f514_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 3/14/0=3D 3 3:02:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu = writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">My error, not Bruce's. = &nbs=3D p;Mea culpa. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">Mine, too... but it's been corrected! <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_1d6.529381a.2ba3f514_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: MP3's From: "John Seboldt" <rohrwerk@seboldt.net> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:25:34 -0600   At 01:00 PM 3/13/03 -0500, you wrote: And as long as I m confused anyway, and we have John Sebold on the line, I =   have to ask HIM a question: Ascension ELCA on South Layton Blvd., Milwaukee. What kind and size organ do they have and how old? If it s post-1960, what was there before the current one? Thanks. (I used to worship there, 1959-60; I MUST have checked the organ out, but in that = case it must have been eminently forgettable, for I have NO recollection of it (other than location in west gallery).   Don't recall the details, but they've tried to remain a vital urban congregation. I've passed there a few times and that's all I can say. John =   Behnke gave a 150th anniversary program there - see our Milwaukee AGO website, http://www.agomilwaukee.org/program.html ...   and oh, like duh, I re-read the newsletter, and the organ has Wangerin origins, rebuilt by Berghaus with consultation by Scott R. Reidel & Associates here in Milwaukee. The newsletter is even on line at http://www.agomilwaukee.org/10pipenotes.pdf (the pdf file is 481K so be prepared)   John Seboldt Milwaukee      
(back) Subject: Re: TWO OR THREE MANUALS? From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 23:56:41 -0500   > The cost of an electronic organ, is more than just a few electronic = circuit > boards. It is true that in and of themselves they don't cost much. = Where > there is cost though is the R & D, which must be paid back for in > relatively few units, the cost of things like keyboards, the = pedalboards, > the console and related hardware has not gone down, the cost of > transporting, the cost of installing is not cheap etc., and the people > involved have to bread on the table.   Uh, why can they do it Europe but not in the US? See the web sites below. = European law apparently requires manufacturers' suggested retail prices to = be listed while for whatever reasons, our dealers don't seem inclined to do. =   Granted, the prices quoted at these sites are in Euros, not US greenbacks, = but it's close enough to 1:1 (for the moment at least).   http://www.classicint.nl/textdui/djhopl.htm   http://www.france-orgue.fr/orgue/index.php?zpg=3Dorg.doc.joh.pre   At each site take a look at the Opus 30, the Sweelink 30 and the Rembrandt =   3070 and 3090. The prices of the Opus and Sweelink are within the range = that Bill cited and the Rembrandt 3070 is as well. Can you get these prices in = the US? Well, close, anyway. Note also that these prices include VAT = (equivalent of sales tax).   (Btw, to save some effort, the Opus 30 is 7,950 EU. The Sweelink 30 is 12,900/13,500 EU. The Rembrant 3070 is 14,950 EU and the 3090 is 17,950 = EU. There is a little variance between the French and the German prices, but = not signicant.)   Bill, I own a Johannus Rembrandt 3000 (last year's model 3090/3900) that I =   bought last spring and am very pleased with the sound of it. The US = versions are slightly different from their European counterparts in that the US = organs have AGO pedalboards and a lot more pistons. Also, the US Rembrandts, I understand, are no longer offered with internal speakers for reasons = unknown to me. Personally, I think that's a mistake on their part, but I'm not in =   charge. <g> The model numbers for the US Rembrandts are the 370 for the = 45 stop organ and the 3900 for the 62 stop organ.   Granted, the keys are plastic and the console isn't solid wood but so = what. The construction is _VERY_ sturdy. I know because I helped lug that beast =   into my house! <G> It is a very playable instrument with a good sound = and I like the key touch. I can't believe that "solid wood" consoles and wood = core keys can account for triple the price as with similar instruments here.   Also, each instrument includes two complete sets of samples, American = Classic (Romantic) and the other North European Baroque. Full midi, too.   Now, I can understand that the US market is subject to shipping charges = and probably import taxes, but still, the prices here shouldn't be too far off =   from the Euro prices.   Find your nearest Johannus dealer. Try them out and make your best deal! =     Cheers, TommyLee Whitlock Reston, VA   PS I am not affiliated with Johannus Organs in any way other than having purchases one of their instruments.    
(back) Subject: Cross Post - Elgar Variations From: "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 21:12:30 -0800 (PST)   --0-1382780252-1047705150=3D:28600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     I've been looking for --- Nimrod from Variations, Op. 86 "Enigma" Sir = Edward Elgar, Transcribed by WIlliam H. Harris, but have discovered it is = permanently out of print. If anyone could point me in the right direction = where to locate a copy or the publisher to try and get one from them, I = would greatly appreciate it.   Travis   --0-1382780252-1047705150=3D:28600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>I've been looking for --- Nimrod from Variations, Op. 86 "Enigma" Sir = Edward Elgar, Transcribed by WIlliam H. Harris, but have discovered it is = permanently out of print. If anyone could point me in the right direction = where to locate a copy or the publisher to try and get one from them, I = would greatly appreciate it.</P> <P>Travis</P> --0-1382780252-1047705150=3D:28600--  
(back) Subject: Re: Cross Post - Elgar Variations From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:32:39 -0800   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_01D3_01C2EA79.9E8F9EB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   The publisher is Novello. ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Travis L. Evans=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org ; organchat@yahoogroups.com=3D20 Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 9:12 PM Subject: Cross Post - Elgar Variations     I've been looking for --- Nimrod from Variations, Op. 86 "Enigma" Sir = =3D Edward Elgar, Transcribed by WIlliam H. Harris, but have discovered it =3D is permanently out of print. If anyone could point me in the right =3D direction where to locate a copy or the publisher to try and get one =3D from them, I would greatly appreciate it.   Travis   ------=3D_NextPart_000_01D3_01C2EA79.9E8F9EB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DTahoma size=3D3D2>The publisher is = Novello.</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dtevansmo@prodigy.net =3D href=3D3D"mailto:tevansmo@prodigy.net">Travis L.=3D20 Evans</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> ; = <A=3D20 title=3D3Dorganchat@yahoogroups.com=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:organchat@yahoogroups.com">organchat@yahoogroups.com</A> = =3D </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 14, 2003 = =3D 9:12=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Cross Post - = Elgar=3D20 Variations</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>I've been looking for --- Nimrod from Variations, Op. 86 "Enigma" =3D Sir=3D20 Edward Elgar, Transcribed by WIlliam H. Harris, but have discovered it = =3D is=3D20 permanently out of print. If anyone could point me in the right =3D direction=3D20 where to locate a copy or the publisher to try and get one from them, = =3D I would=3D20 greatly appreciate it.</P> <P>Travis</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_01D3_01C2EA79.9E8F9EB0--    
(back) Subject: Re: Cross Post - Elgar Variations From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:16:14 -0000   Organ arrangements of Elgar's Nimrod are in several albums. A couple are 'Ceremonial Music for Organ' (Oxford) and 'Thanksgiving and Remembrance' (Mayhew). Some of these are certainly still in print. There are some more = on http://www.musicroom.com/ . If the arrangement by Harris is the one you particularly want and it is = the original Novello publication it will be available (in UK) from Novello Archives (c/o Musicroom above).   HTH   Bruce Miles   website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org>; <organchat@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 5:12 AM Subject: Cross Post - Elgar Variations     > > I've been looking for --- Nimrod from Variations, Op. 86 "Enigma" Sir Edward Elgar, Transcribed by WIlliam H. Harris, but have discovered it is permanently out of print. If anyone could point me in the right direction where to locate a copy or the publisher to try and get one from them, I would greatly appreciate it. > > Travis >