PipeChat Digest #3543 - Saturday, March 15, 2003
 
Nimrod
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Cross Post - Elgar Variations
  by "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>
Re: Cross Post - Elgar Variations - reply
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Cross Post - Elgar Variations 2nd reply OOPS!!
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Cross Post - Elgar Variations 2nd reply OOPS!!
  by "Joshua Edwards" <organman@cablenet-va.com>
c 1926 EM Skinner Console
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Cross Post - Elgar Variations 2nd reply OOPS!!
  by "Andrew Barss" <andrew.barss@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: TommyLee's European Pricing / American Pricing
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
Second Try To Send a Dealer's Response to Tommylee's Euro Figures
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
 

(back) Subject: Nimrod From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 06:03:53 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_014F_01C2EAB8.A7D45DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hi Travis,   There are two anthologies containing Nimrod in the OHS Catalogue. One is = =3D about $26 and the other $15. The following URL should take you right to = =3D the music search page of the Catalogue. Type in "Elgar Nimrod" and =3D you're on your way. The more expensive anthology will come up first, and = =3D then scroll down a way and you will find the cheaper one. I don't know =3D whose transcriptions these are.   http://www.ohscatalog.com/nsearch.html   Cheers,   Malcolm ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Travis L. Evans=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org ; organchat@yahoogroups.com=3D20 Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 12:12 AM Subject: Cross Post - Elgar Variations     I've been looking for --- Nimrod from Variations, Op. 86 "Enigma" Sir = =3D Edward Elgar, Transcribed by WIlliam H. Harris, but have discovered it =3D is permanently out of print. If anyone could point me in the right =3D direction where to locate a copy or the publisher to try and get one =3D from them, I would greatly appreciate it.   Travis   ------=3D_NextPart_000_014F_01C2EAB8.A7D45DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hi Travis,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>There are two anthologies containing = =3D Nimrod in the=3D20 OHS Catalogue. One is about $26 and the other $15. The following URL =3D should take=3D20 you right to the music search page of the Catalogue. Type in =3D "Elgar&nbsp;=3D20 Nimrod"&nbsp;and you're on your way. The more expensive anthology will =3D come up=3D20 first, and then scroll down a way and you will find the cheaper one. I =3D don't=3D20 know whose transcriptions these are.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.ohscatalog.com/nsearch.html">http://www.ohscatalog.com= =3D /nsearch.html</A></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Malcolm</FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3Dtevansmo@prodigy.net =3D href=3D3D"mailto:tevansmo@prodigy.net">Travis L.=3D20 Evans</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> ; = <A=3D20 title=3D3Dorganchat@yahoogroups.com=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"mailto:organchat@yahoogroups.com">organchat@yahoogroups.com</A> = =3D </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 15, 2003 = =3D 12:12=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Cross Post - = Elgar=3D20 Variations</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <P>I've been looking for --- Nimrod from Variations, Op. 86 "Enigma" =3D Sir=3D20 Edward Elgar, Transcribed by WIlliam H. Harris, but have discovered it = =3D is=3D20 permanently out of print. If anyone could point me in the right =3D direction=3D20 where to locate a copy or the publisher to try and get one from them, = =3D I would=3D20 greatly appreciate it.</P> <P>Travis</P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_014F_01C2EAB8.A7D45DF0--      
(back) Subject: Re: Cross Post - Elgar Variations From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:36:00 -0000   I've just checked - the Harris arrangement is the one in Elgar Organ Album No2 (Novello). Should be available anywhere.   Bruce Miles.   website - http://www.gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org>; <organchat@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 5:12 AM Subject: Cross Post - Elgar Variations     > > I've been looking for --- Nimrod from Variations, Op. 86 "Enigma" Sir Edward Elgar, Transcribed by WIlliam H. Harris, but have discovered it is permanently out of print. If anyone could point me in the right direction where to locate a copy or the publisher to try and get one from them, I would greatly appreciate it. > > Travis >    
(back) Subject: Re: Cross Post - Elgar Variations - reply From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:51:42 EST     --part1_144.cf64c84.2ba47bde_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/15/2003 12:13:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, tevansmo@prodigy.net writes:     > I've been looking for --- Nimrod from Variations, Op. 86 "Enigma" Sir = Edward > Elgar, Transcribed by WIlliam H. Harris, but have discovered it is > permanently out of print. If anyone could point me in the right = direction > where to locate a copy or the publisher to try and get one from them, I > would greatly appreciate it. > Travis >   I bough the Nimrod in Oxford Univ. Press ' Elgar Organ Album (I think it = is in Vol 2. but I can't remember, and would have to go thtu my 'stacks' of music to find them. I thought that the Elgar albums were still available. = If not, I maybe could xerox you a copy.   Rick in VA   --part1_144.cf64c84.2ba47bde_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 3/15/2=3D 003 12:13:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, tevansmo@prodigy.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I've been looking for --- = N=3D imrod from Variations, Op. 86 "Enigma" Sir Edward Elgar, Transcribed by = WIll=3D iam H. Harris, but have discovered it is permanently out of print. If = anyone=3D could point me in the right direction where to locate a copy or the = publish=3D er to try and get one from them, I would greatly appreciate it. <BR>Travis <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>I bough the Nimrod in Oxford Univ. Press ' &nbsp;Elgar Organ Album (I = th=3D ink it is in Vol 2. but I can't remember, and would have to go thtu my = 'stac=3D ks' of music to find them. I thought that the Elgar albums were still = availa=3D ble. If not, I maybe could xerox you a copy. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_144.cf64c84.2ba47bde_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Cross Post - Elgar Variations 2nd reply OOPS!! From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:53:08 EST     --part1_77.c52c1bd.2ba47c34_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   It is NOVELLO, not OUP that published the Elgar Organ Albums....MEA CULPA>   Rick in VA   --part1_77.c52c1bd.2ba47c34_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>It is NOVELLO, not = OUP th=3D at published the Elgar Organ Albums....MEA CULPA&gt; <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_77.c52c1bd.2ba47c34_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Cross Post - Elgar Variations 2nd reply OOPS!! From: "Joshua Edwards" <organman@cablenet-va.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:17:10 -0500   There is also an organ arrangement by Diane Bish in her either her Ceremonial music for organ or her wedding album... I can't remember which and don't have my books with me. Sorry...   Josh in VA      
(back) Subject: c 1926 EM Skinner Console From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:32:31 -0600   As you may know, we are to build a new console for the Temple Sinai, New Orleans, EM Skinner OP 622, 1926. We have not been able to find any definite information about the fate or details of the original console. Lacking that, can any of you tell me the location of other three manual EM Skinner consoles from this period? Many Thanks for your help!! Roy Redman    
(back) Subject: Re: Cross Post - Elgar Variations 2nd reply OOPS!! From: "Andrew Barss" <andrew.barss@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:53:03 -0400   Just received a copy that I bought off e-Bay. It's in "Diane Bish Classical Organ Favorites" (Gentry Publications JG0697). First selection in the book.   Andrew Barss Halifax, Nova Scotia     On Saturday, March 15, 2003, at 10:17 AM, Joshua Edwards wrote:   > There is also an organ arrangement by Diane Bish in her either her > Ceremonial music for organ or her wedding album... I can't remember > which and don't have my books with me. Sorry... > > Josh in VA > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: TommyLee's European Pricing / American Pricing From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:01:48 -0800 (PST)   --0-844298563-1047769308=3D:24643 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     Hi All,   I am forwarding an email I received from the most honest dealer of E-orgs = I have ever met in over 30 years of buying them. I had sent him Tommylee's = post with the Euro pricing because the suggestion was made by TommieLee to = call your dealer. (Ted carries various lines of European E-orgs including = Johannus) and start bargaining. Knowing that the quoted prices were "a bit = on the low side" and not wanting my friend to be caught unawares, I = forwarded the message to him without comment. What follows is Ted's reply = that I was told was OK to post to the originating list.   Matt     Soundwaves4u@aol.com wrote: From: Soundwaves4u@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:00:09 EST Subject: US Organ Overpricing Game To: mattcinnj@yahoo.com   Matt:   You may want to forward the following to those that wonder why European = organ prices are higher in the states than in Europe.   In most of Europe the price is set by the manufacturer and no inflationary = or discounting is allowed. Taxes are included in the prices. Those = prices DO NOT include the external speaker systems either as European = organ manufacturers do not price the organ and speakers together as in = America. So add a few thousand on the bigger models.   Final landed dealer cost of European organs is very close to RETAIL prices = in Europe. And most USA versions are actually higher in dealer cost as = they have more standard equipment. Shipping and import taxes/duties and = freight increase the dealer price by another 5% or so, but what REALLY = increases the price is the total overhead costs that US dealers must take = into consideration!   In Europe, most dealerships sell three to four times as many organs as the = average dealership in America so they can operate on smaller dollar = margins. Advertising costs in Europe are about 1/3 that of costs in the = US.   European dealers don't have to pay for employee health insurance, workers = compensation, inflated liability insurance for business, etc. So again, = the dealers have a price advantage because their total overhead expenses = are both lower and distributed among more unit sales.   In America, people love to sue each other so business insurance is often 6 = to 30 times higher in America! In Europe the loser of a lawsuit must pay = all court costs and Attorney fees to both parties of the suit. Their = system is better designed to reduce frivolous "get rich quick" attorney = encouraged lawsuits of our legal system in America. ( Okay I got off the = subject ).   European organs still cost less than American organs due to many aspects. = Some are poorly built and others are at least the equal, and often exceed = the technology levels of American instruments. Granted, many dealerships = in America are locked in the mindset that they need to inflate the prices = of organs to outrageous increases above cost. Dealers selling European = organs are paying a little less in COST than those selling American made = organs, BUT it is total dollar income that must be considered in a sale = not just percentage of markup. Overhead prices remain the same regardless = of what the organ cost the dealer!   My company makes half as much profit in dollars as most other organ = dealerships simply because European organs cost less and sell for less, = but I still have to pay out just as much in expenses of business as the = Allen and Rodgers guys working on 50 to 60% profit margins! So in = comparison, European organ prices in America are a bargain when compared = with American made instruments and the technology now exceeds most = American made instruments!   We come down to something long forgotten! VALUE! Americans love to buy in to slick advertising, or should we call it = brainwashing! Some people as so biased to their brand that they can't see = the light! Misleading advertising has been a part of the organ business = for a long time in America and Americans are eager to eat it up. The = European marketing approach is based on honest comparison and true = worthiness. They don't attack their competitors like "some" organ sales reps. And some American organ = manufacturers take more time teaching their dealers how to attack their = competitors than teaching them what is really of value to the customer. I = know! I have been to ONE particular dealer meeting where the manufacturer = NEVER talked about the positive aspects of their product! They talked = about (sometimes falsely) the competition and how bad "those" organ are. = I wish I had video taped this! (Oh yea, I did)   Don't get me wrong! European organs are not all equal either. I just = returned from Frankfurt Music Fair in Germany and heard some really BAD = organs! I also heard a couple of fantastic organs that far exceed the = sound quality of anything sold in America! YES, BETTER DIGITAL ORGANS ARE = NOT CURRENTLY SOLD IN AMERICA (well, except for Walker ).   To sum up value. You DON'T always get what you pay for! Not in the organ = business! Wise up, evaluate and honestly compare! What is value to you = may be worthless to others. As a dealer, I sell a line of organs that I = feel is of true value to my customers! I didn't always do that. Today I = have the option to sell real quality and value. The fact that it is = manufactured in Europe is no longer of importance. Value is value = wherever it is made.   So if anybody is interested in working together to import a really = incredible organ line please let me know. I found the best sounding = digital organ in the world and hope to begin importing into the states. = Not only will it run circles around the US competition, it is affordable. = Talk about value! Hardwood consoles, moving drawknobs, note by note = sampling, voicing capability, custom stops can be selected at no = additional cost, and an overall sound quality and massive ensemble of = pipes that I have NEVER heard in any digital organ sold in America! And = one absolute promise! This is no hype! The worlds best sounding digital = organ is out there and available at half the price of Allen and Rodgers! = Any you've never heard of it either! I'm just glad that perfection does = exist! And affordable too.   Interested in perfection? Email me at soundwaves4u@aol.com or call me at 800-859-2206 But please don't call to waste my time.   Thanks,   Ted M. Young         --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online --0-844298563-1047769308=3D:24643 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>Hi All,</P> <P>I am forwarding an email I received from the most honest dealer of = E-orgs I have ever met in over 30 years of buying them. I had sent him = Tommylee's post with the Euro pricing because the suggestion was made by = TommieLee to call your dealer. (Ted carries various lines of European = E-orgs including Johannus)&nbsp;and start bargaining. Knowing that the = quoted prices were "a bit on the low side" and not wanting my friend to be = caught unawares, I forwarded the message to him without comment. What = follows is Ted's reply that I was told was OK to post to the originating = list.&nbsp;</P> <P>Matt</P> <P>&nbsp;</P> <P>&nbsp;<B><I>Soundwaves4u@aol.com</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = #1010ff 2px solid">From: Soundwaves4u@aol.com<BR>Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 = 15:00:09 EST<BR>Subject: US Organ Overpricing Game<BR>To: = mattcinnj@yahoo.com<BR><BR><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 = face=3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D#004080 size=3D4 = FAMILY=3D"SERIF">Matt:<BR><BR>You may want to forward the following to = those that wonder why European organ prices are higher in the states than = in Europe.<BR><BR>In most of Europe the price is set by the manufacturer = and no inflationary or discounting is allowed.&nbsp; Taxes are included in = the prices.&nbsp; Those prices DO NOT include the external speaker systems = either as European organ manufacturers do not price the organ and speakers = together as in America.&nbsp; So add a few thousand on the bigger = models.<BR><BR>Final landed dealer cost of European organs is very close = to RETAIL prices in Europe.&nbsp; And most USA versions are actually higher in dealer cost as they have more stan <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/webhosting/mail_tagline/evt=3D7748/*http://webh= osting.yahoo.com/ps/wh3/prod/">Yahoo! 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(back) Subject: Second Try To Send a Dealer's Response to Tommylee's Euro Figures From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:11:20 -0800 (PST)   --0-1312159733-1047769880=3D:60042 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     Sorry Everyone ... Yahoo really messed up my message of a few minutes ago. Matt Soundwaves4u@aol.com wrote:From: Soundwaves4u@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 15:00:09 EST Subject: US Organ Overpricing Game To: mattcinnj@yahoo.com   Matt:   You may want to forward the following to those that wonder why European = organ prices are higher in the states than in Europe.   In most of Europe the price is set by the manufacturer and no inflationary = or discounting is allowed. Taxes are included in the prices. Those = prices DO NOT include the external speaker systems either as European = organ manufacturers do not price the organ and speakers together as in = America. So add a few thousand on the bigger models.   Final landed dealer cost of European organs is very close to RETAIL prices = in Europe. And most USA versions are actually higher in dealer cost as = they have more standard equipment. Shipping and import taxes/duties and = freight increase the dealer price by another 5% or so, but what REALLY = increases the price is the total overhead costs that US dealers must take = into consideration!   In Europe, most dealerships sell three to four times as many organs as the = average dealership in America so they can operate on smaller dollar = margins. Advertising costs in Europe are about 1/3 that of costs in the = US.   European dealers don't have to pay for employee health insurance, workers = compensation, inflated liability insurance for business, etc. So again, = the dealers have a price advantage because their total overhead expenses = are both lower and distributed among more unit sales.   In America, people love to sue each other so business insurance is often 6 = to 30 times higher in America! In Europe the loser of a lawsuit must pay = all court costs and Attorney fees to both parties of the suit. Their = system is better designed to reduce frivolous "get rich quick" attorney = encouraged lawsuits of our legal system in America. ( Okay I got off the = subject ).   European organs still cost less than American organs due to many aspects. = Some are poorly built and others are at least the equal, and often exceed = the technology levels of American instruments. Granted, many dealerships = in America are locked in the mindset that they need to inflate the prices = of organs to outrageous increases above cost. Dealers selling European = organs are paying a little less in COST than those selling American made = organs, BUT it is total dollar income that must be considered in a sale = not just percentage of markup. Overhead prices remain the same regardless = of what the organ cost the dealer!   My company makes half as much profit in dollars as most other organ = dealerships simply because European organs cost less and sell for less, = but I still have to pay out just as much in expenses of business as the = Allen and Rodgers guys working on 50 to 60% profit margins! So in = comparison, European organ prices in America are a bargain when compared = with American made instruments and the technology now exceeds most = American made instruments!   We come down to something long forgotten! VALUE! Americans love to buy in to slick advertising, or should we call it = brainwashing! Some people as so biased to their brand that they can't see = the light! Misleading advertising has been a part of the organ business = for a long time in America and Americans are eager to eat it up. The = European marketing approach is based on honest comparison and true = worthiness. They don't attack their competitors like "some" organ sales = reps. And some American organ manufacturers take more time teaching their = dealers how to attack their competitors than teaching them what is really = of value to the customer. I know! I have been to ONE particular dealer = meeting where the manufacturer NEVER talked about the positive aspects of = their product! They talked about (sometimes falsely) the competition and = how bad "those" organ are. I wish I had video taped this! (Oh yea, I = did)   Don't get me wrong! European organs are not all equal either. I just returned from Frankfurt Music = Fair in Germany and heard some really BAD organs! I also heard a couple = of fantastic organs that far exceed the sound quality of anything sold in = America! YES, BETTER DIGITAL ORGANS ARE NOT CURRENTLY SOLD IN AMERICA = (well, except for Walker ).   To sum up value. You DON'T always get what you pay for! Not in the organ = business! Wise up, evaluate and honestly compare! What is value to you = may be worthless to others. As a dealer, I sell a line of organs that I = feel is of true value to my customers! I didn't always do that. Today I = have the option to sell real quality and value. The fact that it is = manufactured in Europe is no longer of importance. Value is value = wherever it is made.   So if anybody is interested in working together to import a really = incredible organ line please let me know. I found the best sounding = digital organ in the world and hope to begin importing into the states. = Not only will it run circles around the US competition, it is affordable. = Talk about value! Hardwood consoles, moving drawknobs, note by note = sampling, voicing capability, custom stops can be selected at no = additional cost, and an overall sound quality and massive ensemble of = pipes that I have NEVER heard in any digital organ sold in America! And = one absolute promise! This is no hype! The worlds best sounding digital = organ is out there and available at half the price of Allen and Rodgers! = Any you've never heard of it either! I'm just glad that perfection does = exist! And affordable too.   Interested in perfection? Email me at soundwaves4u@aol.com or call me at 800-859-2206 But please don't call to waste my time.   Thanks,   Ted M. Young         --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online --0-1312159733-1047769880=3D:60042 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>Sorry Everyone ... Yahoo really messed up my message of a few minutes = ago. <P>Matt <P>&nbsp;<B><I>Soundwaves4u@aol.com</I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: = #1010ff 2px solid">From: Soundwaves4u@aol.com<BR>Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 = 15:00:09 EST<BR>Subject: US Organ Overpricing Game<BR>To: = mattcinnj@yahoo.com<BR><BR><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D0 = face=3D"Book Antiqua" color=3D#004080 size=3D4 = FAMILY=3D"SERIF">Matt:<BR><BR>You may want to forward the following to = those that wonder why European organ prices are higher in the states than = in Europe.<BR><BR>In most of Europe the price is set by the manufacturer = and no inflationary or discounting is allowed.&nbsp; Taxes are included in = the prices.&nbsp; Those prices DO NOT include the external speaker systems = either as European organ manufacturers do not price the organ and speakers = together as in America.&nbsp; So add a few thousand on the bigger = models.<BR><BR>Final landed dealer cost of European organs is very close = to RETAIL prices in Europe.&nbsp; And most USA versions are actually = higher in dealer cost as they have more stan <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/webhosting/mail_tagline/evt=3D7748/*http://webh= osting.yahoo.com/ps/wh3/prod/">Yahoo! Web Hosting</a> - establish your = business online --0-1312159733-1047769880=3D:60042--