PipeChat Digest #3546 - Sunday, March 16, 2003
 
Re: warning - brag :)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: TCLewis
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: TCLewis
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Why not budget home instruments?
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: TWO OR THREE MANUALS?
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
Re: Why not budget home instruments?
  by "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net>
Re: Why not budget home instruments?
  by "Elizabeth Kutz" <flutepipe@sbcglobal.net>
Old Electronics
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Organ concerts
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Easter Vocal Solo Search
  by "John & Fran Meyers" <jack-fran1@cox.net>
Gordon Turk Concert in Toms River NJ
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: TCLewis
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
 

(back) Subject: Re: warning - brag :) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:43:36 -0500   On 3/16/03 6:11 PM, "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net> wrote:   > She has started playing the piano for Sunday school also. Thanks for > listening.   Amy Fleming, it's a pleasure to listen. This is how the best of things begin. My Mazel tov to you and your daughter. What a great day for you both!   You think this was neat? (Well, it was.) But just wait a few years!   Alan, expecting further reports!    
(back) Subject: Re: TCLewis From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:07:33 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Mmmmmmm!   Well I lived with a quite famous Fr Willis instrument for some time, and I have to say that I found the fluework a hard, rather thin and less than imposing. That said, it was clear enough.   The Willis sound has always been dominated by the excellent reeds and the heavy wood basses.   Unlike Willis, T C Lewis actually "understood" the proper development of flue-work and the joys of modest wind-pressures and adequate scaling.   Now, tell me another organ builder who came close to that mastery?   Isaac Abbot did, as did Michelle (Sp?) & Thynne with the "Grove" organ at Tewksbury. Hill got there by default and a few disasters on the way, but they always sound good.   Who does that leave?   Harrison was quite ordinary before Lt Col George-Dixon intervened.   Norman & Beard I can respect.....they actually worked hard to produce the Edwardian instruments they made, and some are rather good and well built. J W Walker were fairly noble sounding instruments, but went the way of most eventually.   No....sorry....I just cannot think of another organ builder of the late 19th century who came close to Lewis in the UK, and I am not basing this on my limited exposure to the organ at Southwark, where I used to live.   (In fact, I lived in London, right by Tower Bridge, in a converted Docklands warehouse overlooking the exact yard where the Southwark organ was stored, and which was once owned by the Courage Brewery; an organ enthusiast family who had a family relationship with Michelle (Sp?) of Michelle & Thynne, and who also propped up the finances of T C Lewis. Courage paid for the Southwark instrument I believe....and I used to work for Courage.....it can be a spooky world sometimes).   I am thinking more about the small and medium size instruments I have played at various places, and the joy they have given me.   One of the very finest is the organ of the Albion Congregational Church, Ashton-under-Lyne, which is absolutely magnificent. I have played this many times.   So, I would re-iterate.......nothing comes close to Lewis fluework in 19th century British Organ Building.   But by all means prove me wrong!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK --- alantaylor <alantaylor@v21mail.co.uk> wrote: >   > Oh dear. Once again we have an absolutist > statement. > > "The fluework of Fr.Willis is the work of an amateur > by comparison". > > No it isn't. It is different. Yes, TC Lewis built > wonderful organs. Yes > Southwark Cathedral organ is magnificent. However, > there are many other > romantic organs as good as a TC Lewis organ. They > will not be the same, but > just as good.   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: TCLewis From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 00:16:32 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Salisbury is my favourite Fr Willis, with Hereford a close second.   The strings, reeds and flutes are immaculate examples....the chorus work typically Willis, but not lacking in clarity or brilliance.   I think, on balance, I could live with Southwark longer, but I would like to have a set of keys for Salisbury in my back pocket!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     > John Seboldt <rohrwerk@seboldt.net> wrote> > > In my visit to the Isles in 1985 for the summer RSCM > course, the cathedral > instrument that most stood out for me was the > Salisbury "Father" Willis - > just a kind of "presence" in the room, a careful > balance of brilliance and > body that just worked beautifully. For any of you > that have compared these > two, what could you say? > > (Unfortunately, missed out on Southwark "in the > flesh" that year...) >   __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Why not budget home instruments? From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:18:25 -0500   Tommy and list,   Your 10K home practice organ can be found at a Johannus dealer, you will = get the Opus 5 with internal speakers. You still have remarkable good sound = in a small package that is also AGO spec. For 15K, how about the Opus 20 with 34 stops. All have the latest technology and operate at 24 bit, the highest in the industry. Try one out and let the list know what you think.   Gary   ----- Original Message ----- From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:03 PM Subject: Re: Why not budget home instruments?     > Vern Jones said: > > What I'm trying to say, is if they turned out an instrument for $10K = to > > $15K, would you buy it? > > WHY NOT ?? > > There _is_ a market for $10k to $15k cars. They don't have Corinthian leather > seats nor genuine wood panelling, but they get you where you need to go = in > reasonable comfort. Not everyone can afford a Takoma or a BMW, or for that > matter, even wants one. > > Considering that many organists content themselves with an ancient used > electric organ for practice (toasters), why not? Why not spend only = $10k for > an insturment with modern sound technology even if the console is only > particle board with stop tabs instead of moving drawknobs - as long as = it > meets AGO specs? That as opposed to $30k to $60k, sure! Anyone willing to > practice on granny's old Balwin or Conn is certainly not a likely candidate to > buy a custom organ. A decent sounding, affordable practice organ, = though, > might be attractive to them. > > I raised the same question a couple of years ago that Bill Raty has = raised > here. I don't think anyone is talking about a church installation at = that > price range, though no doubt some churches would try to make do with = such. > However, a lot those churches currently have cheap used instruments, anyway. > But that's not the point. > > The question remains, why can't dealers in the US market offer a decent low > budget instrument as the Europeans seem to be able to for their markets, > especially given the cheap price of technology? The Europeans have overhead > costs to pay, also, and need to make a living, too. > > tlw > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: TWO OR THREE MANUALS? From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:31:48 -0700       TommyLee Whitlock wrote:   > > > Bill, I own a Johannus Rembrandt 3000 (last year's model 3090/3900) that = I > bought last spring and am very pleased with the sound of it. The US = versions > are slightly different from their European counterparts in that the US = organs > have AGO pedalboards and a lot more pistons. Also, the US Rembrandts, I > understand, are no longer offered with internal speakers for reasons = unknown > to me. Personally, I think that's a mistake on their part, but I'm not = in > charge. <g> The model numbers for the US Rembrandts are the 370 for the = 45 > stop organ and the 3900 for the 62 stop organ. > > Granted, the keys are plastic and the console isn't solid wood but so = what. > The construction is _VERY_ sturdy. I know because I helped lug that = beast > into my house! <G> It is a very playable instrument with a good sound = and I > like the key touch. I can't believe that "solid wood" consoles and wood = core > keys can account for triple the price as with similar instruments here. >   I must present a different view of Johannus organs. We have one here at = the college (three manuals) that was a gift for a chapel about six years ago. Fortunately, I rarely have to play it. The sound is poor and everything = about the console screams "CHEAP!" Stop knobs, combination pistons, keys, = pedals swell pedals, etc. I would far rather play a smaller Rodgers or Allen. = Their console quality and sound are both much higher. I have played several = recitals on Johannus organs and each has given me the same impression.     Del W. Case Pacific Union College  
(back) Subject: Re: Why not budget home instruments? From: "Vern Jones" <soundres@foothill.net> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:34:16 -0800   I cater to the people that have a need for upgrading or restoring an old instrument. I manufacture MIDI components to build either new instruments = (MIDI Based) or to upgrade old instruments for MIDI output. I have a product = line that will work with most organs. I have special units for Allen MOS1 and MOS2 = organs, as well as units for most analog instruments. If you have an old = serviceable pedalboard, I have encoders for those. I have under construction sets of = new AGO Keyboard stacks, that are setup with MIDI. Just add your favorite Sound = module, Ahlborn-Viscount or other, a good audio system and you have a practice = instrument for far less than $15K.   In consideration for future items, is a small MIDI operated pipe chest. 1 = to 3 ranks..   I'm open for suggestions, comments, or ideas to provide something for the = organist that hasn't the thousands for a new instrument, but needs something decent = to practice on.   Vern Jones, Sound Research http://www.foothill.net/~soundres   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   > You need to find an indie tech who likes to tinker ... I've been blessed > with several in San Diego, Orange County, AND LA ... and they've > resurrected old Hammonds, Conns, Baldwins, Allens, etc. for me. > > > It never hurts to rattle the FACTORY'S cage, if the company is still in > business. THEY don't like unsatisfied customers (grin). > > I had to deal with all of this out of NECESSITY because I played in poor > churches that didn't have any MONEY (grin). > > Keep an eye on Organ Clearing House for a 2-3-rank Moller Artiste, Wicks > whatever, Kilgen Petite Ensemble, Kimball, etc. ... if one turns up > CLOSE to you, it might be within your price range if you have the space, > and some volunteer labor to do the scut work, like packing the pipes and > taking down the cabinet. Let an organ-builder do the rest (grin). > > Cheers, > > Bud > > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Why not budget home instruments? From: "Elizabeth Kutz" <flutepipe@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:44:40 -0600   Bud: You are right on. I just have not found an independent tech. I have = learned how to tune the Analog instruments and I have tech (with schematics)manual for the digital Baldwin. I just need to find that tech and that is the = major problem right now as it is like no one is independent or I do not know the right person in the Dallas- Ft. Worth, TX area.   Thanks, Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Why not budget home instruments?     > You need to find an indie tech who likes to tinker ... I've been blessed > with several in San Diego, Orange County, AND LA ... and they've > resurrected old Hammonds, Conns, Baldwins, Allens, etc. for me. > > Any tech attached to a music store is gonna want to sell you a new > organ. > > Teach yourself to tune analog organs. I did; that was basically all that > was wrong with my old Conn. Old Conns and old Baldwins only had 12 > generators ... one for all the Cs, one for all the Ds, etc. ... the big > Conns had 24, I think ... one set for the Tibia unit and another for > everything else. > > Canned air (NOT WD-40) can do WONDERS for key contacts. > > Out of print tech manuals are available from someplace, but I don't > remember the name ... surely somebody on this list will. > > "No parts" is a red herring, sometimes ... most of the stuff that DIES > in those old organs can be had at RadShack, or be cannibalized off > another organ. > > It never hurts to rattle the FACTORY'S cage, if the company is still in > business. THEY don't like unsatisfied customers (grin). > > I had to deal with all of this out of NECESSITY because I played in poor > churches that didn't have any MONEY (grin). > > Keep an eye on Organ Clearing House for a 2-3-rank Moller Artiste, Wicks > whatever, Kilgen Petite Ensemble, Kimball, etc. ... if one turns up > CLOSE to you, it might be within your price range if you have the space, > and some volunteer labor to do the scut work, like packing the pipes and > taking down the cabinet. Let an organ-builder do the rest (grin). > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Elizabeth Kutz wrote: > > > > This post resounds with me at the moment. I am a multiple instrument > > player: piano, organ, flute, piccolo and oboe. I had a Conn that did sound > > awful, but I could work on my playing techique at home, which is very > > important to me. I tried several electronic organ techs and no one was able > > to work on it, in fact when I would leave a message with the = information of > > the organ being a Conn (ago pedalboard), often the message would not = be > > answered. I recently bought a Baldwin640 with AGO specs at the = "right" > > price that is digital, and guess what! I am getting the same messages when I > > call techs. "I cannot get parts" "This organ is not built anymore, so = I do > > not work on that brand". Well, I do know a place where a tech can get > > parts, but that does not make a difference. I can not afford to = purchase a > > 30 thousand dollar organ- believe me I would like to. Everyone knows what > > most organists get paid and it is not even enough to support yourself. In > > every other instrument that I own, they grow in value. The electronic organ > > is about the same as a car as it drives off the sales lot -it loses value, > > also, with my other instruments I can always get repair service, even with > > my professional flute, that is about 50 years old. Besides sound, this is > > the thing that I hate about the electronic organ world. If an organ is off > > warranty, just buy another! For us without unlimited funds (most organists) > > we are left in the wind to fend for our selves. > > > > I have had to move several times across the US due to my husband's = job. Try > > to find a church to practice at in order to start auditioning at the = new > > location. That is almost an impossibility - I have tried each time I have > > moved and gotten the same answers "This organ is very expensive, and only > > the organist can play on it" "It is inconvient for the secretary to = let you > > in", etc. I have a Masters in organ performance and that does not seem to > > make a difference. I just want an organ to practice on that is AGO = spec. > > that makes a sound- but if you do not have 30 thousand dollars, forget it. > > There has to be a better way. > > > > Elizabeth Kutz MM, CAGO > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: Old Electronics From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:37:40 -0600   Repairing Old electronic organs:   I think you have to look for techs who've been in the business for years. = I had an old Conn (over thirty years old--and Conn no longer makes organs), and my tech told me that virtually every part on the thing was still = readily available. He even replaced a couple of broken keys--the whole thing was plastic--actually stocked them on his truck. He also worked on an old Thomas and one of the early Hammond transistor models--one a defunct manufacturer, the other old and not a popular model. In both cases, = getting parts and service was no problem. On that particular Hammond, the tech = did recommend picking up a "junker" of the same model for parts if I wanted to keep it indefinitely.   Dennis Steckley   This world in arms is not spending money alone; it is spending the sweat = of the laborers, the genius of the scientists, and the hopes of its children. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.--Dwight Eisenhower    
(back) Subject: Organ concerts From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:56:47 -0500   Posting a message from James Christie, Holy Cross College, Worcester MA which I told him I would pass on.   "Harald Vogel has cancelled his tour of the USA (health reasons).   Sunday March 23 at 3 PM at Holy Cross in Worcester. CONCERT CANCELLED - no substitute artist - sorry!   Friday, March 28 at 8 PM at Wellesley College (Houghton Chapel) - SUBSTITUTE ARTIST: KIMBERLY MARSHALL (from Arizone State University at Tempe, AZ) (she is wonderful! do not miss this concert!)"   Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: Easter Vocal Solo Search From: "John & Fran Meyers" <jack-fran1@cox.net> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:40:27 -0800   Thanks so much for your prompt replay to my request. I will give the info = to my friend. She is the organist at Immanuel Lutheran (MS) in Oceanside and = I am the organist at King of Kings (ELCA). We are buddies and try to help = each other out. Thanks again, Fran Meyers ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 2:18 PM Subject: Re: Easter Vocal Solo Search     > My copy's at church, but I think it's in "Fifty-Two Sacred Songs You > Like To Sing" (G. Schirmer, 1939, still in print as far as I know, or > available from any large library). > > Cheers, > > Bud > > John & Fran Meyers wrote: > > > > A fellow organist is looking vocal solo for Easter called "Art Thou = The > > Christ" (have no idea who the composer might be). It was in a big = vocal > > solo book called possibly "152 (or l62) sacred solos. That book is probably > > more than 30 years old. She asked me to ask around. Have any of you > > possible heard of it? Fran Meyers > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Gordon Turk Concert in Toms River NJ From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:44:17 EST     --part1_2d.2c407037.2ba69e91_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   As part of our church's 175th anniversary celebration, Dr. Gordon Turk presented a concert on our II/24 Schantz to a wonderful crowd. As we are = so close to Ocean Grove, Gordon Turk draws well here. (In fact, it has been = my experience that organ concerts are our biggest draw).   As I sat near the back with my family, I couldn't help but realize how fortunate I am to play such a delightful instrument. As the console sits directly under the pipework (more or less), I do not hear the acoustic = effect of the organ in the nave itself when I am playing. So this was a treat.   Of course, Turk is a master at registrational colors, and he used it to = full effect with the resources of the Schantz.   Following is his program:   First United Methodist Church, Toms River, NJ GORDON TURK IN CONCERT, March 16, 4:00 pm   *Toccata (Eugene Gigout); *Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring (Bach); *Concerto in A minor (Vivaldi-Bach); *Fountain Reverie (Percy Fletcher); *Festive March in D (Henry Smart); Intermission and Offering *Canon in B minor, Op. 56, No. 5 (R. Schumann); *Pastorale in G (Lefebure-Wely); *March on a Theme of Handel: "Lift Up Your Heads" (A. Guilmant); *Adagio in A-flat, from Symphony #3 (A. Guilmant); *Final from Symphony #1 (L. Vierne); *Improvisation on 3 themes submitted by audience members: --To God be the Glory, Stand Up, STand Up for Jesus (Webb), How Great Thou =   Art. *Encore of "Danny Boy", as tomorrow is St. Patrick's Day.   Blessings on you all, Neil Brown   --part1_2d.2c407037.2ba69e91_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">As part of our church's 175th anniversary = celebration,=3D Dr. Gordon Turk presented a concert on our II/24 Schantz to a wonderful = cro=3D wd.&nbsp; As we are so close to Ocean Grove, Gordon Turk draws well = here.&nb=3D sp; (In fact, it has been my experience that organ concerts are our = biggest=3D20=3D draw).<BR> <BR> As I sat near the back with my family, I couldn't help but realize how = fortu=3D nate I am to play such a delightful instrument.&nbsp; As the console sits = di=3D rectly under the pipework (more or less), I do not hear the acoustic = effect=3D20=3D of the organ in the nave itself when I am playing.&nbsp; So this was a = treat=3D ..<BR> <BR> Of course, Turk is a master at registrational colors, and he used it to = full=3D effect with the resources of the Schantz.<BR> <BR> Following is his program:<BR> <BR> First United Methodist Church, Toms River, NJ<BR> GORDON TURK IN CONCERT, March 16, 4:00 pm<BR> <BR> *Toccata (Eugene Gigout);<BR> *Jesu, Joy of Man's Desiring (Bach);<BR> *Concerto in A minor (Vivaldi-Bach);<BR> *Fountain Reverie (Percy Fletcher);<BR> *Festive March in D (Henry Smart);<BR> Intermission and Offering<BR> *Canon in B minor, Op. 56, No. 5 (R. Schumann);<BR> *Pastorale in G (Lefebure-Wely);<BR> *March on a Theme of Handel: "Lift Up Your Heads" (A. Guilmant);<BR> *Adagio in A-flat, from Symphony #3 (A. Guilmant);<BR> *Final from Symphony #1 (L. Vierne);<BR> *Improvisation on 3 themes submitted by audience members:<BR> --To God be the Glory, Stand Up, STand Up for Jesus (Webb), How Great Thou = A=3D rt.<BR> *Encore of "Danny Boy", as tomorrow is St. Patrick's Day.<BR> <BR> Blessings on you all,<BR> Neil Brown<BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_2d.2c407037.2ba69e91_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: TCLewis From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:41:57 +1200   >No....sorry....I just cannot think of another organ >builder of the late 19th century who came close to >Lewis in the UK, and I am not basing this on my >limited exposure to the organ at Southwark, where I >used to live.   Colin, you are so right. There is a host of lesser lights in addition to = the ones you mention, with people like Abbott & Smith, Wadsworth, Holdich, Telford, Nicholson, Halmshaw, Conacher, but none is as good as Lewis.   IMHO, mais naturellement.   Ross