PipeChat Digest #3553 - Wednesday, March 19, 2003
 
Re: Using Musicom for an electronic organ
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Plainsong Booklets
  by "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com>
Re: Farncis Booth (was Re: TCLewis)
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
Re: Plainsong Booklets
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
(no subject)
  by <RVScara@aol.com>
Re: Review:  Olivier Latry Masterclass in NYC
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: Plainsong Booklets
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Old Roman Catholic Hymn Search
  by "Daniel Muller" <DVM5704@dcccd.edu>
Re: Plainsong Booklets
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Using Musicom for an electronic organ From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:37:50 -0500   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_13805020= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"; format=3Dflowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   At 05:25 PM 3/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:   > > Hello, my name is Anthony Nichols and I am new to the list. I = thought=3D =3D20 > I would tell you a little about a control system called Musicom. = This=3D20 > system also supports digitally generated, NOT SAMPLED, electronic = sounds.=3D =3D20 > The best way I can tell you about Musicom is by sharing my = experience=3D20 > with the company. > > Five years ago, Murphy First Baptist Church decided to buy a = new=3D20 > organ to replace our twenty-five year old Allen organ. My mother = (the=3D20 > organist) and I chose the Ahlborn =3D96 Galanti Organ Company as the=3D supplier=3D20 > of our new instrument. We had researched the Allen and Rodgers = organ=3D20 > companies and found that of the three, Galanti was the best sounding. = We=3D =3D20 > did not know about Musicom at the time. We also desired four ranks = of=3D20 > speaking pipes with the electronic instrument. Soon after contracting = the=3D =3D20 > Galanti Company to do the work, the electronic portion of the organ = was=3D20 > installed. Unfortunately, after the electronics were installed and=3D20 > voiced, we were sadly disappointed. The Galanti had no leadership=3D20 > capability and did not have realistic solo or ensemble sounds such as = a=3D20 > fine pipe organ would. To make matters worse, after the pipes were=3D20 > installed the electronic portion of the organ did not blend at all = with=3D20 > the pipes. > > After being regretful of the choice we had made, I was very = fortunate=3D =3D20 > to hear a digital =3D96pipe hybrid instrument that used the Musicom = system=3D =3D20 > near our town. I say that I was fortunate, but I was also in deep=3D20 > depression after hearing this fine instrument because of the choice = we=3D20 > had made with the Galanti Company. The Musicom digital voices were = so=3D20 > clean and clear, and the blend with the pipes was seamless. It was = just=3D20 > as if I was standing in front of a large pipe organ. The beautiful=3D20 > quality of the solo stops on the Musicom instrument is rarely achieved = by=3D =3D20 > many pipe organ builders. Being in the room with the instrument made = me=3D20 > feel as if I was listening to an Aeolian-Skinner organ. > > After hearing and playing this instrument on several happy = occasions=3D =3D20 > we so very much wished we had chosen a Musicom system for our=3D20 > installation. After five years of living with the Galanti organ, it = was=3D20 > struck by lightning on March 29, 2002, totally destroying the = instrument.=3D =3D20 > I immediately contacted Musicom=3D92s agent John Werner to see if it = would=3D be=3D20 > possible for him to do the repairs. Thankfully, he agreed and plans = were=3D =3D20 > begun for a new Musicom equipped instrument of 82 ranks on three = manuals.=3D =3D20 > Work began immediately on the organ, which was entirely custom made = as=3D20 > are almost all instruments that use the Musicom system. It was = installed=3D =3D20 > on May 19, 2002, only a month and a half after we had contacted the = firm=3D =3D20 > thanks to the fine efforts of John Werner and his team. > > We are so very pleased with the organ! Our dream for an = instrument=3D20 > that has the capability to play all repertoire and confidently lead = a=3D20 > congregation in worship has been fulfilled. With Musicom, we got = much=3D20 > more than we had ever dreamed of in the instrument and also with = the=3D20 > people involved, including Tony Koorlander, the founder of the = company,=3D20 > who helped in the installation of our organ and Tonal Director = Graham=3D20 > Blyth. The people of Musicom are the best in the industry at making = an=3D20 > instrument suitable for your church, school or home, and are among = the=3D20 > friendliest people anyone could ever meet. > > I hope you will not make the mistake that we did by going = elsewhere.=3D =3D20 > In our experience the organ builders who are agents for the Musicom=3D20 > system care as deeply about their instruments as any purely pipe = organ=3D20 > builder and this love of the organ really shows in the end result. Make=3D20 > Musicom your choice too. > > If you would like more information on the Musicom system go to=3D20 > www.musicom-ltd.com If you would like a recording or a copy of the = stop=3D20 > list of the Murphy First Baptist Church 82 rank instrument that uses = the=3D =3D20 > musicom system, e-mail me at jan03@mhc.edu > >Thank You, > >Anthony Nichols >Murphy, North Carolina 28906   Anthony,   While I don't disagree with you about how good the Musicom system is, = the=3D20 Ahlborn-Galanti organ that was installed sounds like it was poorly=3D20 installed, maybe poorly voiced. Probably used Allmand speakers=3D20 too. Mostly bad news. Also, the way the Ahlborn-Galantis come out of = the=3D =3D20 box, is a problem. They just are poorly setup at the factory. One = thing=3D20 too, is that they are not really American sounding, although the = Chronicler=3D =3D20 III, and Chronicler I, now have a B spec. which is much more North=3D20 American, and Romantic sounding.   I have been an A-G dealer now for about 5 years, and it took a while = to=3D20 figure out what I didn't like about them. After about 2 weeks of = playing=3D20 them and voiceing them, and adding our external amplifiers and = speakers=3D20 they now sound quite satisfying. Like I said, it wasn't easy, but now = that=3D =3D20 it is done, each installation is relatively easy. They still sound=3D20 European though, but not harsh or shrill.   The biggest problem that any of these organ companies have, be it = Allen,=3D20 Rodgers, A-G, Johannus, is that most organ dealers, are not really=3D20 technically capable, not artistically capable, to install their organs = and=3D =3D20 get maximum potential out of them. What you got with Musicom was the=3D20 company boss, plus their voicer, and I know he is good, to do the=3D20 installation. They take pride in their work, and are knowledgable,=3D20 necessary ingredients for success.   Musicom, it should be noted, is also a good deal more expensive than A-G.   Regards,   Arie V. --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_13805020= =3D=3D_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html> At 05:25 PM 3/18/2003 -0500, you wrote:<br> <br> <blockquote type=3D3Dcite cite><font size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp; <br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hello, my name is Anthony Nichols and I am new to the list. I thought I would tell you a little about a control system called Musicom. This system also supports digitally generated, NOT SAMPLED, electronic sounds. The best way I can tell you about Musicom is by sharing my experience with the company.<br> <br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Five years ago, Murphy First Baptist Church decided to buy a new organ to replace our twenty-five year old Allen organ. My mother (the organist) and I chose the Ahlborn =3D96 Galanti Organ Company = as the supplier of our new instrument. We had researched the Allen and Rodgers organ companies and found that of the three, Galanti was the best sounding. We did not know about Musicom at the time. We also desired four ranks of speaking pipes with the electronic instrument. Soon after contracting the Galanti Company to do the work, the electronic portion of the organ was installed. Unfortunately, after the electronics were installed and voiced, we were sadly disappointed. The Galanti had no leadership capability and did not have realistic solo or ensemble sounds such as a fine pipe organ would. To make matters worse, after the pipes were installed the electronic portion of the organ did not blend at all with the pipes.<br> <br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; After being regretful of the choice we had made, I was very fortunate to hear a digital =3D96pipe hybrid instrument that used the Musicom system near our town. I say that I was fortunate, but I was also in deep depression after hearing this fine instrument because of the choice we had made with the Galanti Company. The Musicom digital voices were so clean and clear, and the blend with the pipes was seamless. It was just as if I was standing in front of a large pipe organ. The beautiful quality of the solo stops on the Musicom instrument is rarely achieved by many pipe organ builders. Being in the room with the instrument made me feel as if I was listening to an Aeolian-Skinner organ.<br> <br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; After hearing and playing this instrument on several happy occasions we so very much wished we had chosen a Musicom system for our installation. After five years of living with the Galanti organ, it was struck by lightning on March 29, 2002, totally destroying the instrument. I immediately contacted Musicom=3D92s agent John Werner to see = if it would be possible for him to do the repairs. Thankfully, he agreed and plans were begun for a new Musicom equipped instrument of 82 ranks on three manuals. Work began immediately on the organ, which was entirely custom made as are almost all instruments that use the Musicom system. It was installed on May 19, 2002, only a month and a half after we had contacted the firm thanks to the fine efforts of John Werner and his team.<br> <br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We are so very pleased with the organ! Our dream for an instrument that has the capability to play all repertoire and confidently lead a congregation in worship has been fulfilled. With Musicom, we got much more than we had ever dreamed of in the instrument and also with the people involved, including Tony Koorlander, the founder of the company, who helped in the installation of our organ and Tonal Director Graham Blyth. The people of Musicom are the best in the industry at making an instrument suitable for your church, school or home, and are among the friendliest people anyone could ever meet.<br> <br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I hope you will not make the mistake that we did by going elsewhere. In our experience the organ builders who are agents for the Musicom system care as deeply about their instruments as any purely pipe organ builder and this love of the organ really shows in the end result. Make Musicom your choice too.<br> <br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If you would like more information on the Musicom system go to <a href=3D3D"http://www.musicom-ltd.com/" = eudora=3D3D"autourl">www.musicom-ltd.c=3D om</a> If you would like a recording or a copy of the stop list of the Murphy = First=3D Baptist Church 82 rank instrument that uses the musicom system, e-mail = me=3D at jan03@mhc.edu<br> <br> Thank You,<br> <br> Anthony Nichols<br> Murphy, North Carolina 28906</font> </blockquote><br> Anthony,<br> <br> While I don't disagree with you about how good the Musicom system is, = the=3D Ahlborn-Galanti organ that was installed sounds like it was poorly=3D installed, maybe poorly voiced.&nbsp; Probably used Allmand speakers=3D too.&nbsp; Mostly bad news.&nbsp; Also, the way the Ahlborn-Galantis = come=3D out of the box, is a problem.&nbsp; They just are poorly setup at the=3D factory.&nbsp; One thing too, is that they are not really American=3D sounding, although the Chronicler III, and Chronicler I, now have a B = spec.=3D which is much more North American, and Romantic sounding.<br> <br> I have been an A-G dealer now for about 5 years, and it took a while to=3D figure out what I didn't like about them.&nbsp; After about 2 weeks of=3D playing them and voiceing them, and adding our external amplifiers and=3D speakers they now sound quite satisfying.&nbsp; Like I said, it wasn't=3D easy, but now that it is done, each installation is relatively = easy.&nbsp;=3D They still sound European though, but not harsh or shrill.<br> <br> The biggest problem that any of these organ companies have, be it = Allen,=3D Rodgers, A-G, Johannus, is that most organ dealers, are not really=3D technically capable, not artistically capable, to install their organs = and=3D get maximum potential out of them.&nbsp; What you got with Musicom was = the=3D company boss, plus their voicer, and I know he is good, to do the=3D installation.&nbsp; They take pride in their work, and are = knowledgable,=3D necessary ingredients for success.<br> <br> Musicom, it should be noted, is also a good deal more expensive than=3D A-G.<br> <br> Regards,<br> <br> Arie V.</html>   --=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D_13805020= =3D=3D_.ALT--      
(back) Subject: Plainsong Booklets From: "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:27:14 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C2ED84.61523A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Can anyone recommend a good booklet of commonly used plainsong? =3D Basically, I'm looking for material that I can use from Advent until =3D Easter.   Jim C ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C2ED84.61523A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Can anyone recommend a good booklet = of =3D commonly=3D20 used plainsong?&nbsp; Basically, I'm looking for material that I can use = =3D from=3D20 Advent until Easter.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Jim C&nbsp; = </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0007_01C2ED84.61523A40--  
(back) Subject: Re: Farncis Booth (was Re: TCLewis) From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:34:09 -0800     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Miles" <bruce@gbmuk.fsnet.co.uk>   > Colin et al, > (In reference to > From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> > Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:10 AM > Subject: Re: TCLewis > > > I must re-read the book about Northern UK > > organ-builders by Dr Nicholas Thistlethwaite.......I > > can't recall how much he said about A & S of Leeds, > > but they certainly did a lot of work in their heyday.) > > I can't find any mention of this book on the web - or perhaps it's a > section in another Thistlethwaite book ? Would much appreciate some more > info. > > I have been trying for years to get some detail on Francis Booth of > Wakefield in the hope of findiing out where our 1859 organ (St John's > Methodist, Market Weighton) spent the the first 19 years of its life - = it > just may have been his demo/exhibition organ. > I wonder if Colin Mitchell's reference was to Laurence Elvin's "Family Enterprise: The Story of Some North Country Organ Builders." If so, it = seems to be of no help, since its focus is Nicholson and Cousans. Both Abbott = and Smith and F. Booth are mentioned only in passing.   Michael Fox    
(back) Subject: Re: Plainsong Booklets From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:44:30 EST     --part1_17f.18339d52.2ba9176e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Jim:   Are there specific plainsongs that you want? Hymnus, Masses, Introits, graduales,tracts, Communios. English or Latin? Matins, Laudes, Vespers? Codex' ? That would give an idea where your interest lies.   Ron Severin   --part1_17f.18339d52.2ba9176e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hi Jim:<BR> <BR> Are there specific plainsongs that you want? Hymnus, Masses,<BR> Introits, graduales,tracts, Communios. English or Latin? Matins,<BR> Laudes, Vespers? Codex' ? That would give an idea where your<BR> interest lies.<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_17f.18339d52.2ba9176e_boundary--  
(back) Subject: (no subject) From: <RVScara@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:05:19 EST     --part1_12a.25b1b779.2ba91c4f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable                 Matt,=3DA0 responding to Arie,=3DA0 wondered what would happen after Bob = Walker=3D20=3D left=3D20 Walker Technical.=3DA0I wondered, also, since I play one of Walker's = 3-manual,=3D 72=3D20 stop, all digital instruments. (I have no affiliation with that company = or=3D20 any other, in any capacity.) This is what I found out.   Walker Technical Co. was started 30 years ago by Bob Walker as an = organ=3D20 service company.=3DA0 Within 2 years the company started producing = speaker=3D20 systems for various organs.=3DA0 Manufacturing expanded to enhancement = product=3D s=3D20 for Rodgers organs and in the mid '80's began digital tone generator=3D20 production. =3DA0 Currently, Bob Walker has little input into the running of the company = or=3D20 product development.=3DA0 John Carpenter, in his early 40's, who has been = with=3D =3D20 WTC for 19 years is now president with Kevin Light, head engineer, as = vice=3D20 president.=3DA0 There are 33 employees, seven of whom are engineers = including=3D20 Bob's son, Randall. =3DA0 The moderate sized company is structured as a large company with = department=3D20 heads for engineering, production, service, purchasing and finance.=3DA0 = The=3D20 focus of the company is on production of the highest quality systems = for=3D20 organ consoles and pipe organ control with digital voice generators = for=3D20 classical and theatre sounds. =3DA0 Mr. Walker purposely got out of the running of the company in order = to=3D20 determine how it would run (apparently very well from what I've been = told)=3D20 without him.=3DA0 He does travel around the country doing some of the = tonal=3D20 finishing and helps in service and sales when necessary.       --part1_12a.25b1b779.2ba91c4f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> Matt,=3DA0 responding to Arie,=3DA0 wondered what would happen after Bob = Walker=3D20=3D left Walker Technical.=3DA0I wondered, also, since I play one of Walker's = 3-ma=3D nual, 72 stop, all digital instruments. (I have no affiliation with that = com=3D pany or any other, in any capacity.) This is what I found out.<BR> <BR> Walker Technical Co. was started 30 years ago by Bob Walker as an organ = serv=3D ice company.=3DA0 Within 2 years the company started producing speaker = systems=3D for various organs.=3DA0 Manufacturing expanded to enhancement products = for R=3D odgers organs and in the mid '80's began digital tone generator = production.<=3D /FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D3=3D20=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> =3DA0<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Currently, Bob = Walker has li=3D ttle input into the running of the company or product development.=3DA0 = John C=3D arpenter, in his early 40's, who has been with WTC for 19 years is now = presi=3D dent with Kevin Light, head engineer, as vice president.=3DA0 There are 33 = emp=3D loyees, seven of whom are engineers including Bob's son, = Randall.</FONT><FON=3D T COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"=3D SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> =3DA0<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">The moderate sized = company i=3D s structured as a large company with department heads for engineering, = produ=3D ction, service, purchasing and finance.=3DA0 The focus of the company is = on pr=3D oduction of the highest quality systems for organ consoles and pipe organ = co=3D ntrol with digital voice generators for classical and theatre = sounds.</FONT>=3D <FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> =3DA0<BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Mr. Walker purposely = got out=3D of the running of the company in order to determine how it would run = (appar=3D ently very well from what I've been told) without him.=3DA0 He does travel = aro=3D und the country doing some of the tonal finishing and helps in service and = s=3D ales when necessary.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLO=3D R: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" = LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_12a.25b1b779.2ba91c4f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Review: Olivier Latry Masterclass in NYC From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:08:39 -0500   Olivier Latry will play a recital in the Mother Church in Boston this = Friday night. It was just announced yesterday that attendance will be = free, due to a sizeable donation. Merry Foxworth   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).   http://ibo.bww.com/foxworth password: foxy    
(back) Subject: Re: Plainsong Booklets From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:10:37 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3130866637_5866844 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 3/18/03 7:27 PM, "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> wrote:   > Can anyone recommend a good booklet of commonly used plainsong? = Basicall=3D y, > I'm looking for material that I can use from Advent until Easter. > =3D20   I=3DB9d start with The Liturgical Press, at St. John=3DB9s = Abbey/University, Collegeville, Minnesota. They USED to publish such things. Should be an excellent buy-site somewhere. Perhaps also St. Meinrad Abbey, St. = Meinrad, Indiana; and Conception Abbey, Conception, Missouri? Doesn=3DB9t cost = much to collect a few catalogs. Another source of information would be Liturgy Training Publications, Chicago.   Alan   --B_3130866637_5866844 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Plainsong Booklets</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 3/18/03 7:27 PM, &quot;Jim = Clouser&quot; &l=3D t;CromorneCipher@hotmail.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">Can anyone = recommend a=3D good booklet of commonly used plainsong? &nbsp;Basically, I'm looking for = m=3D aterial that I can use from Advent until Easter.<BR> </FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"> <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> I&#8217;d start with The Liturgical Press, at St. John&#8217;s = Abbey/Univer=3D sity, Collegeville, Minnesota. &nbsp;They USED to publish such things. = &nbsp=3D ;Should be an excellent buy-site somewhere. &nbsp;Perhaps also St. Meinrad = A=3D bbey, St. Meinrad, Indiana; and Conception Abbey, Conception, Missouri? = &nbs=3D p;Doesn&#8217;t cost much to collect a few catalogs. &nbsp;Another source = of=3D information would be Liturgy Training Publications, Chicago. &nbsp;<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3130866637_5866844--    
(back) Subject: Old Roman Catholic Hymn Search From: "Daniel Muller" <DVM5704@dcccd.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:35:43 -0600   We Thee adore, Thou holy Angel bread! O Saviour, Lord, Our souls by Thee are fed. =20 Holy, holy, holy! Thou alone art holy! Adoration without end To the holy Sacrament.   O Jesus! Lord! Thou giv'st Thy Flesh and Blood To strengthen us, To be our precious food.   Who can conceive, Of love so great the worth, That brings Thee down To dwell with us on earth.   In death's dread hour Be our viaticum; When we depart, Oh, then sweet Jesus come!   Text: Unknown Music: Trier or M. Hayden 4 6. 4 6. 6 6. 7 7   Source: The Saint Rose Hymnal, Compiled by the Franciscan Sisters of the Perpetual Adoration of La Crosse, Wisconsin, McLaughlin & Reilly Co., Boston, Mass., =A91939   Payment due: Information on who now owns whatever copyrights remain to McLaughlin & Reilly   Daniel Muller   Aperiam in psalterio aenigma meum.    
(back) Subject: Re: Plainsong Booklets From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:36:08 -0800   "By Flowing Waters" is the English adaptation of the Graduale Simplex; I think it's available from Collegeville.   There are a couple of English-language adaptations of the Graduale Romanum online ... the Anglican Gradual, the Anglican Use Gradual (or are those the same book?).   Many of the English-language chant books are out of print, but can be found in large libraries:   The Plainchant Gradual - The Rev'd Dr. G. H. Palmer, St. Mary's Press, Wantage, Oxfordshire, UK Parts I & II - Proper of the Time Parts III & IV - Proper and Common of the Saints and a selection of Votive Masses   The St. Dunstan Hymnal - The Rev'd Canon Winfred Douglas - H.W. Gray - most of the major plainsong Office Hymns   The St. Dunstan Kyriale - ibid. INFINITELY superior to The English Gradual Part I (grin).   There was a plainsong hymnal companion to the Canadian Anglican hymn book, and also to Hymns Ancient & Modern; I think the Canadian book MAY still be in print; I know the A & M one isn't.   Unfortunately, except for possibly "By Flowing Waters", English-language versions of the innumerable little chant compendia that used to be available for the Roman Rite in Latin simply do not exist ... they're easy enough to ADAPT, if you can lay HANDS on them ... J. Fischer published most of them ... Cantus ad Processiones, the little one we used to call "Delicacies of the Roman Missal" (grin) ... Dilectus Missarum, I think it was ... and of course the Liber Usualis has most of what's required in parish worship, albeit in Latin. Collegeville used to publish something called "The Parish Kyriale" that included some Latin hymns and proses.   You might check the catalog of St. Meinrad Archabbey online ... they've done some fairly nice things in English.   Cheers,   Bud           Alan Freed wrote: >=20 > On 3/18/03 7:27 PM, "Jim Clouser" <CromorneCipher@hotmail.com> wrote: >=20 > Can anyone recommend a good booklet of commonly used > plainsong? Basically, I'm looking for material that I can > use from Advent until Easter. >=20 > I=92d start with The Liturgical Press, at St. John=92s Abbey/University= , > Collegeville, Minnesota. They USED to publish such things. Should be > an excellent buy-site somewhere. Perhaps also St. Meinrad Abbey, St. > Meinrad, Indiana; and Conception Abbey, Conception, Missouri? Doesn=92= t > cost much to collect a few catalogs. Another source of information > would be Liturgy Training Publications, Chicago. >=20 > Alan