PipeChat Digest #3561 - Friday, March 21, 2003
 
Re: A Bedient replaced, and Anglican organs
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re Anthony Nichol's enthusiasm - and in defence of  Ahlborn-Galanti
  by "Ernest C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk>
Quality distribution
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
Re: Old established organ builders
  by "alantaylor" <alantaylor@v21mail.co.uk>
What Do Anglican Congregations Do ???
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
RE: What Do Anglican Congregations Do ???
  by "Barry H Bodie" <bbodie@InfoAve.Net>
Africian Scam
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: A Bedient replaced, and Anglican organs
  by "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
RE: Africian Scam
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: A Bedient replaced, and Anglican organs From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 07:19:45 EST     --part1_ea.36f107a9.2bac5d61_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/21/03 1:05:33 AM Central Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   > The Anglican service REQUIRES a swell-box and an enclosed reed chorus, > UNLESS you're going to restrict yourself to 17th-18th century > voluntaries, Settings and anthems, of which there are not a whole lot, > at least not Settings and anthems. > > I will NOT buy an organ that can't at LEAST accompany "Jerusalem" and "I > Was Glad" (chuckle) ... and throw in the Davies "Solemn Melody" and the > Thalben-Ball "Elegy" and the Oldroyd Mass for good measure <G>.   It is meet and right so to do. Here endeth the lesson... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-men!   Scott F. Foppiano Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.   --part1_ea.36f107a9.2bac5d61_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated 3/21/03 1:05:33 AM Central = Standard=3D Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT=3D : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The Anglican service REQUIRES = a=3D swell-box and an enclosed reed chorus,<BR> UNLESS you're going to restrict yourself to 17th-18th century<BR> voluntaries, Settings and anthems, of which there are not a whole lot,<BR> at least not Settings and anthems.<BR> <BR> I will NOT buy an organ that can't at LEAST accompany "Jerusalem" and = "I<BR> Was Glad" (chuckle) ... and throw in the Davies "Solemn Melody" and = the<BR> Thalben-Ball "Elegy" and the Oldroyd Mass for good measure = &lt;G&gt;.</BLOCK=3D QUOTE><BR> <BR> It is meet and right so to do.&nbsp; Here endeth the lesson...<BR> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-men!<BR> <BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D4=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT" FACE=3D3D"Monotype Corsiva" LANG=3D3D"0"><B>Scott F. = Foppiano=3D </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"></B><BR> Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#00000=3D 0" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SCRIPT" = FACE=3D3D"Mo=3D notype Corsiva" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_ea.36f107a9.2bac5d61_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re Anthony Nichol's enthusiasm - and in defence of Ahlborn-Galanti From: "Ernest C Hart" <info@copemanhart.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:23:42 +0000   I rejoice with Anthony Nichols that he is so happy with his new organ, and =   of course agree with the paean of praise for Musicom, which couldn't have been better said by anybody. We have been using Musicom hardware since they first started - in fact we were about the first to help get the company off the ground with an order. Since then, we have worked hand-in-hand with Musicom, and their hardware is the basis for all Copeman =   Hart instruments.   Anthony may have a misunderstanding about Musicom, however. There is no 'Musicom' organ - they are systems suppliers to organ builders, and their directors would not properly be able to be directors of an organ building company - otherwise it would be legally a 'conflict of interest', and = other organ builders using their hardware would strongly object, particularly in =   the USA.   We believe, as Anthony does, that 'real-time computing' is the best way - and the most expensive - to produce a really superb voiceable digital organ; the two parallel developments have been made by Tony Koorlander and =   his associates, with a great deal of input from us, from the organ builder's point of view, and of course equally fascinating developments by =   Peter and Lucy Comerford and their colleagues at Bradford University. Until recently, it was the 'Bradford' version that was used = by Wyvern Organs in this country - but I believe they have opted now for a sampling system. Doubtless, the Bradford University developments and the Musicom developments each have their strong points - but the main thing is =   that they are both real-time computing systems.   Anthony is absolutely right when he says that virtually all organs using the Musicom system are custom-built - which also makes things a little = more expensive, as indeed is the Musicom hardware. When it's good, it is understandably expensive.   I think we ought to re-emphasise to the list that there is no such thing = as a Musicom organ, because - as is well known in our case - organs use the Musicom hardware and system software - but all the organ software is our own - everything to do with stops, voicing, and all organ functions; without this software, the organ would be completely dumb, having an identity crisis.   That is why all organ builders using the Musicom hardware will produce entirely different instruments, and not only the sound quality has to appeal to the organist, but also the console quality. We do of course build our own consoles and pedalboards etc, and this puts the prices up as =   well. I believe that if a company cannot carry out their own voicing and organ software building, then Tony Koorlander can provide this for them: = in the old days, we worked very closely indeed with Musicom, all very much learning about the possibilities of this marvellous new system as we went along - almost literally hand-in-hand. Both Bradford University and Musicom have come a very long way since those early days, and the beauty = of the system is that one can always upgrade and update earlier organs, often =   without necessarily replacing anything but one or two eproms; over the decades, many of our organs have been upgraded, to the delight and relief of the churches, who are more used to the notion of being made to buy a = new 'model' now and again.   Anthony is obviously the ideal spokesman for Musicom, but I feel he should =   give credit to the people who built the organ, so that people are not misled into thinking that Musicom themselves build organs, which would be contrary to their understanding with all their organ builder customers.   Arie Vandenberg was absolutely right to draw attention to the fact that an =   organ using Musicom hardware, and built by a reputable organ builder, will =   be much more expensive than the Ahlborn-Galanti instrument, which = represent very good value for money indeed. I certainly wouldn't like to pronounce on quality comparisons, as I have not heard many Ahlborn-Galanti instruments, but we know that Copeman Hart prices are way above those of Ahlborn-Galanti. I am therefore only too happy to join Arie in his = defence of them. Both Arie and Anthony drew attention to the matter of voicing: the way we would use Musicom hardware to build an organ and voice it, and the way Arie will voice an Ahlborn-Galanti, has a parallel, I think, in giving pipe organ builders a wonderful sheet of spotted metal, and noting how well they use it for making pipes; the results would all be different = - some brilliant, some less so.   We have many hundreds of Copeman Hart organs in various countries, and doubtless Ahlborn-Galanti and other big volume manufacturers will have thousands. I think there is a great deal of truth in what Anthony says about the smaller-volume builders being able to care more individually about each instrument, and of course we all have to be crazy enough to = love organs more than we love large profits.   Regards   Ernest Hart http://www.copemanhart.co.uk Email: info@copemanhart.co.uk   COPEMAN HART & COMPANY LTD Church Organ Builders 88 90 Finedon Road IRTHLINGBOROUGH Northamptonshire, England, NN9 5TZ   Registered in England No 696548   Tel: +44 1933 652600 Fax: +44 1933 652288 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ COPEMAN HART AMERICA Senior Consultant: George W Bayley Email <CopemanHartUS@aol.com> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ COPEMAN HART AUSTRALIA Senior Consultant: Peter Hamilton Email <copemanhart@bigpond.com> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~    
(back) Subject: Quality distribution From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:34:45 +0000   Take an average class of 30 children. Generally speaking 3 will be in the top rank, 3 in the bottom and the rest between. Thus it is statistically likely that the US, with the largest population of any organ oriented country, has the largest number of good organ builders. However, if you = were to compare it with Europe, which must have a similar overall population (I =   haven't got time to count it at the moment!) I would say it would be level =   pegging. My guess is that more disposable income is available in the US = than in the UK, but taking Holland, Denmark, Germany and Italy into = consideration I would have thought Europe would come out on top! Incidentally, Colin, you still haven't justified your claim that there = were virtually no organ builders of note before Henry Willis! JF   An I for an I and a toof for a toof Is not how they=92re spelt, to tell you the truth, For the eye that you see with has two =93e=94s and a =93y=94 And the tooth that you bite with Helps you eat apple pie   www.johnfoss.gr         _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail    
(back) Subject: Re: Old established organ builders From: "alantaylor" <alantaylor@v21mail.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:14:38 -0000   Willis is no longer a family company. Henry 4 sold the company to a David Wyld.   Alan Taylor London ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Old established organ builders     > Hello, > > I was thinking about old estabished orgn builder here > in the UK. > > The oldest name I can think of is that of Nicholson of > Worcester, but of course, it is no longer in the hands > of the family. > > Willis has to be oldest, ongoing, family company, but > I feel sure that someone will know a much older one. > > Rushworth & Dreaper have quite a history and have done > some important work in the UK. > > The demise of Hill, Norman & Beard ended a very old > dynasty which could be traced back to the 18th > century. > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK > > > --- John Foss <harfo32@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > Dear list, > > Whilst following up a recent discussion on stop > > names I discovered that the > > Italian organ building firm of Mascioni was founded > > in 1829 and is still > > going strong. I believe it is still in the original > > family hands. This must > > make it one of the oldest organ building firms in > > existence > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >      
(back) Subject: What Do Anglican Congregations Do ??? From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 05:28:57 -0800 (PST)   --0-2022352966-1048253337=3D:99189 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii     Easy 2 word answer to this one: They Leave.   I attend services where the organ is about 4 ranks of exposed 1970ish = Moeller pipework. Two ranks are a mixture !!!   There are 3 Sunday services, one with NO music, one with popular = music(includes a choir) and the 11:15 with the regular choir and the = Moller.   People have migrated to the 2 earlier services and some have gone to other = churches. A recent poll of the congregation's desire to allocate new = monies in an expansion fund raising drive listed expanding/replacing the = organ a dead last of 10 out of 10.   There is no question that the Moller has had a decided negative effect on = the entire church.   Matt       --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! --0-2022352966-1048253337=3D:99189 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii   <P>Easy 2 word answer to this one:&nbsp; They Leave.</P> <P>I attend services where the organ is about 4 ranks of exposed 1970ish = Moeller pipework. Two ranks are a mixture !!! </P> <P>There are 3 Sunday services, one with NO music, one with popular = music(includes a choir)&nbsp;and the 11:15 with the regular choir and the = Moller.</P> <P>People have migrated to the 2 earlier services and some have gone to = other churches. A recent poll of the congregation's desire to allocate new = monies in an expansion fund raising drive listed expanding/replacing the = organ a dead last of 10 out of 10.</P> <P>There is no question that the Moller has had a decided negative effect = on the entire church.</P> <P>Matt</P><p><br><hr size=3D1>Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/platinum/evt=3D8162/*http://platinum.yahoo.com/= splash.html">Yahoo! Platinum</a> - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, <a = href=3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/platinum/evt=3D8162/*http://platinum.yahoo.com/= splash.html">live on your desktop</a>! --0-2022352966-1048253337=3D:99189--  
(back) Subject: RE: What Do Anglican Congregations Do ??? From: "Barry H Bodie" <bbodie@InfoAve.Net> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:15:20 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0024_01C2EF8A.687A8360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Agreed!!! I'm one of those who left. The organ is an absolute piece of junk. Your offer of your instrument was more than generous. There's a competent organist at the church and a passable choir, but absolutely no interest generated in the music because of the quality of that junk purported to be an organ. -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Mattcinnj Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 8:29 AM To: PipeChat Subject: What Do Anglican Congregations Do ??? Easy 2 word answer to this one: They Leave. I attend services where the organ is about 4 ranks of exposed 1970ish Moeller pipework. Two ranks are a mixture !!! There are 3 Sunday services, one with NO music, one with popular music(includes a choir) and the 11:15 with the regular choir and the Moller. People have migrated to the 2 earlier services and some have gone to other churches. A recent poll of the congregation's desire to allocate new monies in an expansion fund raising drive listed expanding/replacing the organ a dead last of 10 out of 10. There is no question that the Moller has had a decided negative effect on the entire church. Matt _____   Do you Yahoo!? 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I&#8217;m one of those =3D who left. The organ is an absolute piece of junk. Your offer of your instrument =3D was more than generous. There&#8217;s a competent organist at the church and a =3D passable choir, but absolutely no interest generated in the music because of the = =3D quality of that junk purported to be an organ.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DTahoma><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =3D Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>On = =3D Behalf Of </span></b>Mattcinnj<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, March 21, = =3D 2003 8:29 AM<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> PipeChat<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> What Do Anglican Congregations Do ???</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <p style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 face=3D3D"Times New =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Easy 2 word answer to this one:&nbsp; They = =3D Leave.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 face=3D3D"Times New =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>I attend services where the organ is about 4 = =3D ranks of exposed 1970ish Moeller pipework. Two ranks are a mixture !!! =3D <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 face=3D3D"Times New =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>There are 3 Sunday services, one with NO =3D music, one with popular music(includes a choir)&nbsp;and the 11:15 with the regular = =3D choir and the Moller.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 face=3D3D"Times New =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>People have migrated to the 2 earlier =3D services and some have gone to other churches. A recent poll of the congregation's =3D desire to allocate new monies in an expansion fund raising drive listed =3D expanding/replacing the organ a dead last of 10 out of 10.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 face=3D3D"Times New =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>There is no question that the Moller has had = =3D a decided negative effect on the entire church.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 face=3D3D"Times New =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Matt<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>   <p style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 face=3D3D"Times New =3D Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>   <div class=3D3DMsoNormal align=3D3Dcenter =3D style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in;text-align:center'><font size=3D3D3 face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>   <hr size=3D3D1 width=3D3D"100%" align=3D3Dcenter>   </span></font></div>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>Do you Yahoo!?<br> <a href=3D3D"http://rd.yahoo.com/platinum/evt=3D3D8162/*http:/platinum.yahoo.c= om=3D /splash.html">Yahoo! 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(back) Subject: Africian Scam From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:24:05 EST     --part1_140.d7bd149.2bac7a85_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I just received a letter from someone claiming to have "received Jesus Christ" on her deathbed and has willed 3 million dollars to "my ministry." = She gave me the names of her attorneys and a telephone number. Wow. Lee   --part1_140.d7bd149.2bac7a85_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#400040" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">I just received a letter = from someo=3D ne claiming to have "received Jesus Christ" on her deathbed and has willed = 3=3D million dollars to "my ministry."&nbsp; She gave me the names of her = attorn=3D eys and a telephone number.&nbsp; Wow.&nbsp; Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_140.d7bd149.2bac7a85_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: A Bedient replaced, and Anglican organs From: "danielwh" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:04:44 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0092_01C2EF99.AE09D570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Unless the St. Marks Grand Rapids Webpage hasnt been updated for a =3D while . It sounds like the Bedient organ is still there.. They have two = =3D pipe organs, A 1910 Austin in the Chancel and a Bedient located in the =3D Loft. here is the link Danielwh http://www.stmarksepiscopalchurch.org/Music.htm ------=3D_NextPart_000_0092_01C2EF99.AE09D570 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY style=3D3D"COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: " bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;Unless the St. Marks Grand = Rapids =3D Webpage=3D20 hasnt been updated for a while . It sounds like =3D the&nbsp;Bedient&nbsp;organ is=3D20 still there.. They have two pipe organs, A 1910 Austin in the Chancel =3D and a=3D20 Bedient located in the Loft.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;here is the link</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Danielwh</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"http://www.stmarksepiscopalchurch.org/Music.htm">http://www.stmar= =3D ksepiscopalchurch.org/Music.htm</A></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0092_01C2EF99.AE09D570--    
(back) Subject: RE: Africian Scam From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:10:35 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2EFBC.0648CE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   You're set for life....   =3D20   -----Original Message----- From: Chicaleee@aol.com [mailto:Chicaleee@aol.com]=3D20 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 8:24 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Africian Scam   =3D20   I just received a letter from someone claiming to have "received Jesus Christ" on her deathbed and has willed 3 million dollars to "my ministry." She gave me the names of her attorneys and a telephone number. Wow. Lee     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2EFBC.0648CE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <html>   <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii">     <meta name=3D3DGenerator content=3D3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">   <style> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:Tahoma; panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial; color:navy;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style>   </head>   <body lang=3D3DEN-US link=3D3Dblue vlink=3D3Dpurple>   <div class=3D3DSection1>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy face=3D3DArial =3D FAMILY=3D3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>You&#8217;re set = =3D for life&#8230;.</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3D2 color=3D3Dnavy = face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size: 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D face=3D3DTahoma><span style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =3D Message-----<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Chicaleee@aol.com [mailto:Chicaleee@aol.com] <br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, March 21, = =3D 2003 8:24 AM<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org<br> <b><span style=3D3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Africian =3D Scam</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D3 =3D face=3D3D"Times New Roman"><span style=3D3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3D3DMsoNormal style=3D3D'margin-left:.5in'><font size=3D3D2 =3D color=3D3D"#400040" face=3D3DArial><span =3D style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#400040'>I just received a letter from someone claiming to have &quot;received =3D Jesus Christ&quot; on her deathbed and has willed 3 million dollars to =3D &quot;my ministry.&quot;&nbsp; She gave me the names of her attorneys and a =3D telephone number.&nbsp; Wow.&nbsp; Lee</span></font></p>   </div>   </body>   </html> =3D00 ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C2EFBC.0648CE40--