PipeChat Digest #3562 - Friday, March 21, 2003
 
Re: Africian Scam
  by "Mura Kievman" <mura@speakeasy.org>
Long-established organ builders
  by "Graham Dukes" <mngdukes@online.no>
Re: Africian Scam
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Africian Scam
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Africian Scam
  by "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
Re: Africian Scam
  by "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
Re: Africian Scam
  by "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
RE: What's in  a Name
  by "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
Lent III - St. Matthew's ACC, Newport Beach CA USA (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Africian Scam
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Africian Scam
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Re: Fisk and Brombaugh
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
RE: What Do Anglican Congregations Do ???
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: Africian Scam
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Africian Scam
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Old established organ builders
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: What's in a name these days?
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Lent III - St. Matthew's ACC, Newport Beach CA USA (X-posted)
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: Quality distribution
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Africian Scam From: "Mura Kievman" <mura@speakeasy.org> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 10:22:15 -0500   At 09:24 AM 3/21/2003 -0500, you wrote: >I just received a letter from someone claiming to have "received Jesus >Christ" on her deathbed and has willed 3 million dollars to "my >ministry." She gave me the names of her attorneys and a telephone >number. Wow. Lee     According to the latest Scambusters newsletter, at least one church was successfully stung with this scam.   Mura          
(back) Subject: Long-established organ builders From: "Graham Dukes" <mngdukes@online.no> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:37:36 +0100   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C2EFC8.2E23F000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Re current correspondence on this topic: I see that the name of =3D Rushworth and Dreaper is mentioned. I hope it is true: a correspondent = =3D recently told me that they had closed down, and he was concerned about =3D the destruction of their archives. So what is the truth? Are they =3D still there? They have an impressive web site!   Graham Dukes Oslo=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C2EFC8.2E23F000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4522.1800" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DGaramond size=3D3D4>Re current correspondence on this = =3D topic: I see=3D20 that the name of Rushworth and Dreaper is mentioned.&nbsp; I hope it is = =3D true: a=3D20 correspondent recently told me that they had closed down, and he was =3D concerned=3D20 about the destruction of their archives.&nbsp; So what is the =3D truth?&nbsp; Are=3D20 they still there?&nbsp; They have an impressive web site!</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DGaramond size=3D3D4>Graham Dukes</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DGaramond =3D size=3D3D4>Oslo</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0010_01C2EFC8.2E23F000--    
(back) Subject: Re: Africian Scam From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:04:21 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3131089461_19269028 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 3/21/03 9:24 AM, "Chicaleee@aol.com" <Chicaleee@aol.com> wrote:   > I just received a letter from someone claiming to have "received Jesus = Ch=3D rist" > on her deathbed and has willed 3 million dollars to "my ministry." She = g=3D ave > me the names of her attorneys and a telephone number. Wow. Lee >=3D20 Give it to your pastor, to pass on to the congregation=3DB9s attorney. Do nothing without professional advice.   Alan   --B_3131089461_19269028 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Africian Scam</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 3/21/03 9:24 AM, = &quot;Chicaleee@aol.com&qu=3D ot; &lt;Chicaleee@aol.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#400040"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">I just = received=3D a letter from someone claiming to have &quot;received Jesus Christ&quot; = on=3D her deathbed and has willed 3 million dollars to &quot;my ministry.&quot; = &=3D nbsp;She gave me the names of her attorneys and a telephone number. = &nbsp;Wo=3D w. &nbsp;Lee</FONT></FONT><FONT SIZE=3D3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New = Roman"> <BR> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D3D"4"><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New = Roman"><BR> </FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">Give it to your pastor, to = pass =3D on to the congregation&#8217;s attorney. &nbsp;Do nothing without = profession=3D al advice.<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3131089461_19269028--    
(back) Subject: Re: Africian Scam From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:11:24 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3131089885_19294496 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 3/21/03 11:04 AM, "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote:   >> I just received a letter from someone claiming to have "received Jesus >> Christ" on her deathbed and has willed 3 million dollars to "my = ministry=3D .." >> She gave me the names of her attorneys and a telephone number. Wow. >>=3D20 So that happened on her death bed. But has she died? Will she change her mind over lunch? Will her grandkids challenge the will in court? Maybe she=3DB9ll become a Scientologist. Etc.   Alan   --B_3131089885_19294496 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Africian Scam</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 3/21/03 11:04 AM, &quot;Alan = Freed&quot; &l=3D t;acfreed0904@earthlink.net&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#400040"><FONT = FACE=3D3D"Arial">I j=3D ust received a letter from someone claiming to have &quot;received Jesus = Chr=3D ist&quot; on her deathbed and has willed 3 million dollars to &quot;my = minis=3D try.&quot; &nbsp;She gave me the names of her attorneys and a telephone = numb=3D er. &nbsp;Wow. &nbsp;<BR> </FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#400040"><FONT = FACE=3D3D"T=3D imes New Roman"><BR> </FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">So that happened on her = death be=3D d. &nbsp;But has she died? &nbsp;Will she change her mind over lunch? = &nbsp;=3D Will her grandkids challenge the will in court? &nbsp;Maybe she&#8217;ll = bec=3D ome a Scientologist. &nbsp;Etc.<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3131089885_19294496--    
(back) Subject: Re: Africian Scam From: "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:21:40 -0800 (PST)   I just received the exact same letter. If you would like to see my reply, e-mail me privately and I will send you a copy. This list would never post it.   My advise is simply to forward it to the Treasury department <419FDC@usss.treas.gov> which the FBI told me was investigating this nonsense. If the letter has an attachment (as one did recently which I received), NEVER open it, but forward it to the above address and then promptly delete it from your inbox AND your trash file.   D. Keith Morgan     --- Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote: > On 3/21/03 9:24 AM, "Chicaleee@aol.com" > <Chicaleee@aol.com> wrote: > > > I just received a letter from someone claiming to > have "received Jesus Christ" > > on her deathbed and has willed 3 million dollars > to "my ministry." She gave > > me the names of her attorneys and a telephone > number. Wow. Lee > > > Give it to your pastor, to pass on to the > congregation=B9s attorney. Do > nothing without professional advice. > > Alan >     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Africian Scam From: "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:24:43 -0800 (PST)   Maybe she will have it converted into travelers checks and take it with her.     --- Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote: > On 3/21/03 11:04 AM, "Alan Freed" > <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote: > > >> I just received a letter from someone claiming to > have "received Jesus > >> Christ" on her deathbed and has willed 3 million > dollars to "my ministry." > >> She gave me the names of her attorneys and a > telephone number. Wow. > >> > So that happened on her death bed. But has she > died? Will she change her > mind over lunch? Will her grandkids challenge the > will in court? Maybe > she=B9ll become a Scientologist. Etc. > > Alan >     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Africian Scam From: "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 08:48:32 -0800 (PST)   It's difficult for me to believe that a church could be stung isasmch as there are very few congregations that do not have at lease one attorney in their membership, and EVERY congregation has access to one.   But again, there were several who fell for that Keates-Geisler organ gift nonsense. Since this happened to several churches simultaneously, I believe that these people really enjoy getting screwed.   This nonsense is almost always aimed at the elderly who have many dollars and not much cents (sense?), and if that doesn't work, the get religious and send it to people they assume are religious fanatics. Those people will fall for anything.   Just forward it to <419.FDC@usss.treas.gov>, delete it from your inbox AND your trash file, and forget it.   NEVER, NEVER, NEVER send them any money, and NEVER, NEVER, NEVER open any attachments.   D. Keith Morgan       --- Mura Kievman <mura@speakeasy.org> wrote: > At 09:24 AM 3/21/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >I just received a letter from someone claiming to > have "received Jesus > >Christ" on her deathbed and has willed 3 million > dollars to "my > >ministry." She gave me the names of her attorneys > and a telephone > >number. Wow. Lee > > > According to the latest Scambusters newsletter, at > least one church was > successfully stung with this scam. > > Mura > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: What's in a Name From: "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:08:38 -0800 (PST)   Dear Peter:   You and I certainly agree one one point -- in excellence in building small organs. I haven't seen any of John-Paul Buzzard's work (although I understand he now has one in Oklahoma City at st. Paul's Cathedral).   This is where the research and effort of organ building should lie. As few as 99.9% of churches are simply not going to pay over $100,000 for a two-manual, 20-rank organ. If something isn't done that is effective in this phase of design, we are going to find the organ replaced altogether with guitars and electronics.   Hopefully this guitar-twanging and drum-pounding phase (fad) will run its course soon and we can get back to sensibility and to something vaguely resembling good taste before everyone gets around to realizing that they are going to church less and less and enjoying it more and more.     --- "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> wrote: > John-Paul Buzard, in Champaign, fills that bill. > And then some. > > Peter > > > I must confess that my preference is toward builders > that build mostly > smaller instruments, but build them well. Two > manuals and 15-25 ranks > or > so, with excellence! > > Dennis Steckley > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Lent III - St. Matthew's ACC, Newport Beach CA USA (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:25:41 -0800   Sung Mass at 9 a.m.   Processional Hymn - Saviour, When In Dust To Thee - Spanish Chant Setting - Merbecke Gradual - Exsurge - Tone iii with fauxbourdons Tract - Ad te levavi - Tone VIII with fauxbourdons Offertory Verse - Justitiae Domini - C. Rossini / arr. Clark - SAB For the Doxology - All Things Come of Thee - Clark in g minor Amen - Robinson in d minor Communion Verse - Passer inveni - Healy Willan - SATB Communion Anthem - Behold the Lamb of God - C. Rossini / arr. Clark - SATB Communion Hymn - With Broken Heart and Contrite Sigh - Babylon's Streams Kneeling Hymn - God Be In My Head - Lytlington Recessional Hymn - The Glory of These Forty Days - Spires   High Mass at 11 a.m.   Processional Hymn - Saviour, When In Dust To Thee - Spanish Chant Introit - Oculi mei - Healy Willan Setting - Mass IX (Gregorian) Gradual - Exsurge - Tone iii Tract - Ad te levavi - Tone VIII Offertory Verse - Justitiae Domini - C. Rossini / arr. Clark - unison For the Doxology - All Things Come of Thee - Clark in g minor Amen - Mass IX (after Canon Douglas) Communion Verse - Passer inveni - Healy Willan - unison Communion Solo - Behold the Lamb of God - C. Rossini / arr. Clark - unison Communion Hymn - With Broken Heart and Contrite Sigh - Babylon's Streams Kneeling Hymn - God Be In My Head - Lytlington Recessional Hymn - The Glory of These Forty Days - Spires   No voluntaries.   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Africian Scam From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:20:28 EST     --part1_17c.183c694b.2baca3dc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hey, Alan, you don't think I would fall for that, do you? It was sent to = the Treasury Department who is investigating these scams. Lee   --part1_17c.183c694b.2baca3dc_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#400040" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hey, Alan, you don't think = I would=3D20=3D fall for that, do you?&nbsp; It was sent to the Treasury Department who is = i=3D nvestigating these scams.&nbsp; Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_17c.183c694b.2baca3dc_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Africian Scam From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:25:13 EST     --part1_66.2ff82366.2baca4f9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Keith,   So now I am elderly and a religious fanatic, hummm. I still have a few = cents (sense). (And they sure wouldn't get much out of my bank account.)   Lee   --part1_66.2ff82366.2baca4f9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#400040" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Keith,<BR> <BR> So now I am elderly and a religious fanatic, hummm.&nbsp; I still have a = few=3D cents (sense).&nbsp; (And they sure wouldn't get much out of my bank = accoun=3D t.)&nbsp; <BR> <BR> Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_66.2ff82366.2baca4f9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Fisk and Brombaugh From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:46:22 -0700       quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > > > Rosales apprenticed with Holtzinger in LA (which I imagine he'd like to > forget) (chuckle), and Schlicker, but that's all I remember about THAT > branch. > Perhaps Holtzinger would have been a GOOD place to apprentice. I can't imagine a better place to have learned how NOT to do things than in that shop! ! ! ! ! ! !   Del W. Case Pacific Union College  
(back) Subject: RE: What Do Anglican Congregations Do ??? From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:53:37 -0500   > Agreed!!! I'm one of those who left. The organ is an absolute piece of junk. Your offer of your instrument was more than generous. There's a competent organist at the church and a passable choir, but absolutely no interest generated in the music because of the quality of that junk purported to be an organ.   But it doesn't even need to be a piece of junk. It could be a Brombaugh.   It wasn't easy several years being Organist and "Director of Music" (the most baldly fraudulent job title from the word go that I've ever had the misfortune to touch) at Grace Church, Ellensburg, Wash. Among the many problems in that *very small* congregation was the fact that most of them disliked the organ. I was asked several times never to use this stop or that stop. When there are only about a dozen stops on the whole = instrument, one wouldn't be left with much if one complied. Because of the inadequacies of the organ in accompanying a small choir with any subtlety = or flexibility whatsoever, the newer and better of the church's two pianos = was moved into the church (over my protests). There it was frequently called for by the adult choir director (who was never myself, despite what you might think a director of music is supposed to do). That left a very = old, cast-off upright for the choir room, too high for anyone to direct, or = even see a director, from except sideways. When I pointed this problem out, = the powers-that-be couldn't understand why not just abandon the choir room and rehearse the choristers in the church. (Terrible lighting, for = starters.)   The organ is gorgeous and exquisite in its own right. You can remind = people of that until you're blue in the face and so what? It's still a continual frustration trying to base a parish music program on something so = unpopular and, in a few ways, rigid.    
(back) Subject: Re: Africian Scam From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:46:48 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3131099209_19855314 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 3/21/03 12:20 PM, "Chicaleee@aol.com" <Chicaleee@aol.com> wrote:   > Hey, Alan, you don't think I would fall for that, do you? It was sent = to=3D the > Treasury Department who is investigating these scams. Lee   Oh, my no. Not for a second. Just by sending with the Subject = =3DB3African Scam=3DB2 I knew that you were savvy enough not to fall for it.   Alan   --B_3131099209_19855314 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Africian Scam</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 3/21/03 12:20 PM, = &quot;Chicaleee@aol.com&q=3D uot; &lt;Chicaleee@aol.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#400040"><FONT SIZE=3D3D"2"><FONT = FACE=3D3D"Arial">=3D Hey, Alan, you don't think I would fall for that, do you? &nbsp;It was = sent =3D to the Treasury Department who is investigating these scams. = &nbsp;Lee</FONT=3D ></FONT></FONT><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"> <BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Oh, my no. &nbsp;Not for a second. &nbsp;Just by sending with the Subject = &=3D #8220;African Scam&#8221; I knew that you were savvy enough not to fall = for =3D it.<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3131099209_19855314--    
(back) Subject: Re: Africian Scam From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:17:13 -0500   I got the same letter a couple of weeks ago. They're trying to "push your hot buttons", get you to react to what you're really concerned about. I bet we'll see more of these type, aimed at a more specific topic instead of everybody's fantasy. And it doesn't claim big international crime, so would be harder to prosecute.   Diane S.    
(back) Subject: Re: Old established organ builders From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:29:19 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Thanks for that Alan, I had wondered if this was the case when they closed down the works at Petersfield and moved everything to LIverpool.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- alantaylor <alantaylor@v21mail.co.uk> wrote: > Willis is no longer a family company. Henry 4 sold > the company to a David > Wyld.     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: What's in a name these days? From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:41:41 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   Bud has a point, but many builders in Europe certainly do export.   There are Rieger (Austria) organs in New Zealand, the UK, the US and elsewhere.   Marcussens (Denmark) are heard throughout Western Europe.   Klais (Germany) have done major work around the world.   Harrison & Harrison have done major work in Australia, America and New Zealand.   Mander we know about.   Flentrop at Harvard and elsewhere in the US.   I shall not produce an endless shopping list.   It is, I suspect, the case that transportation costs start to climb beyond an acceptable or economic level, so builders tend to build closer to home. Also, with many truly fine organ-builders now in America, there is no longer the incentive to search Europe for a builder who can produce, for example, a first class neo-baroque organ. After all, when the Harvard Flentrop burst onto the American organ scene, there was nothing to touch it for tonal quality.....it changed the American perspective.   There has been a lot of catching up since, and nowadays, there are builders perfectly competent to do the job "at home".   I've said before, that I can never understand why American built organs are not exported more, because they deserve to be.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > Colin, isn't it more a matter of small builders on > the Continent who > will never build outside their own country, and > therefore remain unknown > for the most part?     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Lent III - St. Matthew's ACC, Newport Beach CA USA (X-posted) From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:42:56 EST     --part1_1c7.708205f.2bacc540_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bud,   Very nice selections. I especially like the Carlo Rossini music. By the = way, what kind of organ do you play at your church?   Thanks,   Daniel     --part1_1c7.708205f.2bacc540_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Tw Cen MT" LANG=3D3D"0">Bud,<BR> <BR> Very nice selections. I especially like the Carlo Rossini music. By the = way=3D , what kind of organ do you play at your church? <BR> <BR> Thanks,<BR> <BR> Daniel<BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_1c7.708205f.2bacc540_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Quality distribution From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:09:24 +0000 (GMT)   Hello,   I sense that John has not forgiven me my comment about Fr Willis!   Of course there were excellent organ builders in the UK long before Willis, but the MUSICAL taste was dominated by Italianate style during the 18th century. Hence, there was no impetus to move beyond the Snetzler STYLE of organ....that is, two manuals, no pedals, low pressure, tierce mixtures and cornets etc. That WAS the Engish organ before about 1840.   Some were excellently made examples, but they all, more or less, sprang from the Snetzler mould. Music was conservative in church circles well into the 19th century.....Wesley, Walmisley and their circle. No requirement for a pedal part and only a limited use for a swell pedal.   The "German" period came after about 1845 with the Hill/Gauntlett revolution, influenced by Mendelssohn and Prince Albert....hence the fine "German" style instruments of Hill and the stupendous Schulze organ at Doncaster.   Incidentally, John may be interested to know that I once played a very early Fr Willis in a church near Liverpool. It is actually quite a crude sounding instrument.   The revolution in Willis's style came at the behest of S S Wesley and especially at St George's Hall, Liverpool.   Hill was also getting on track, and was developing fairly advanced instruments, thanks to the efforts of Mendelssohn and Dr Gauntlett. Let us not forget that Mendelssohn was obliged to cancel an organ recital planned for Westminster Abbey, because the organ was so restricted in scope.   Sadly, the German period of Hill and others, was short lived, and soon gave way to the symphonic organ concept of Fr Willis. Hence, we went down a different road after about 1860-75.   Remember the famous comment by the organist of Lichfield Cathedral, when Holdich installed a full pedal organ with upperwork topping a full chorus.   "You may fit pedals, but I shall never use them"   Make no mistake, before Wm Hill and Willis, the UK was a good century or more behind European organ-building....in fact, more like two centuries.   So my comment about "there was but one organ builder" is all about "style" rather than organ building quality or integrity.   The "German" period, no matter how brief, produced fine organs of lasting quality and influence which, in recent years, has inspired new instruments such as the one at St Andrew's Holborn, London, built in the "Hill/Gauntlett" style by Mander....and a fine organ it is too.   I hope this explains a rather "off the cuff" comment.   Doesn't alter the fact that Willis was a con-man and a crook!!   :)   Finally, I seem to believe that Europe has a far bigger population than North America. America still has wide open spaces even to-day.   I think the secret is that America is more of a church-going country than almost any in Europe outside of Italy/Spain. It is a lot more more than mere disposable income.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       John Foss <harfo32@hotmail.com> wrote: > Colin, you still haven't justified > your claim that there were > virtually no organ builders of note before Henry > Willis!     __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com