PipeChat Digest #3563 - Friday, March 21, 2003
 
Re: Africian Scam
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Africian Scam
  by "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net>
Re: A Bedient replaced, and Anglican organs
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: Lent III - St. Matthew's ACC, Newport Beach CA USA (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Names and costs
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: Names and costs
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Re: Needs instructions to build pipe organs
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Names and costs
  by "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
names and costs, ps
  by "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Names and costs
  by "Daryl Robinson" <drobinson@houston.rr.com>
Re: Names and costs
  by "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com>
Re: Names and costs
  by "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com>
Re: African or whatever Scam
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Names and costs
  by "Daryl Robinson" <drobinson@houston.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Africian Scam From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 09:06:01 +1200   Re: Africian Scam>I just received a letter from someone claiming to have "received Jesus Christ" on her deathbed and has willed 3 million dollars = to "my ministry." She gave me the names of her attorneys and a telephone number. Wow.   Yet another scam! I counted up, and I'm generally "offered" about US$240,000,000 per week on this attempted African scame. Don't reply to = it. Don't answer it. Don't copy it to anything. Just delete.   Ross        
(back) Subject: Re: Africian Scam From: "Ron Yost" <musik@tcsn.net> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:43:56 -0800   These (and MANY other) scams seem to originate from the country of = Nigeria. A Google search on nigerian scams will turn up more than you want to know. = :)   You'll prolly receive pleas for help of all sorts, too, from many = different African email addresses. Ignore and delete these messages.   Worldwide police agencies are well aware of these crooks, but seem = helpless to do much about them.   Ron Yost    
(back) Subject: Re: A Bedient replaced, and Anglican organs From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:45:24 -0600   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0027_01C2EFB8.8186A0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   check out www.music.unt.edu/organ/instruments.htm ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: danielwh=3D20 To: PipeChat=3D20 Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 9:04 AM Subject: Re: A Bedient replaced, and Anglican organs     Unless the St. Marks Grand Rapids Webpage hasnt been updated for a =3D while . It sounds like the Bedient organ is still there.. They have two = =3D pipe organs, A 1910 Austin in the Chancel and a Bedient located in the =3D Loft. here is the link Danielwh http://www.stmarksepiscopalchurch.org/Music.htm ------=3D_NextPart_000_0027_01C2EFB8.8186A0E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type =3D content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3Diso-8859-1> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1106" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY id=3D3DMailContainerBody=3D20 style=3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; =3D BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; =3D BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none; TEXT-DECORATION: =3D none; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none"=3D20 bgColor=3D3D#ffffff leftMargin=3D3D0 topMargin=3D3D0 acc_role=3D3D"text" = =3D CanvasTabStop=3D3D"true"=3D20 name=3D3D"Compose message area"><?xml:namespace prefix=3D3D"v" =3D /><?xml:namespace prefix=3D3D"o" /> <DIV>check out www.music.unt.edu/organ/instruments.htm</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Ddanielwh@ns.sympatico.ca=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca">danielwh</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">PipeChat</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 21, 2003 = =3D 9:04=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: A Bedient =3D replaced, and=3D20 Anglican organs</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"COLOR: #000000; FONT-FAMILY: "> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;Unless the St. Marks Grand = =3D Rapids Webpage=3D20 hasnt been updated for a while . It sounds like =3D the&nbsp;Bedient&nbsp;organ is=3D20 still there.. They have two pipe organs, A 1910 Austin in the Chancel = =3D and a=3D20 Bedient located in the Loft.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>&nbsp;here is the link</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Danielwh</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://www.stmarksepiscopalchurch.org/Music.htm">http://www.stmar= =3D ksepiscopalchurch.org/Music.htm</A></FONT></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY= =3D ></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0027_01C2EFB8.8186A0E0--  
(back) Subject: Re: Lent III - St. Matthew's ACC, Newport Beach CA USA (X-posted) From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 12:57:57 -0800   A 30-year old Allen 301-C that sounds better than it has any right to on account of the WONDERFUL acoustics. New 3m Holtkamp due summer of 2004, God willin' and the creek don't rise (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   Icedad@aol.com wrote: > > Bud, > > Very nice selections. I especially like the Carlo Rossini music. By > the way, what kind of organ do you play at your church? > > Thanks, > > Daniel    
(back) Subject: Names and costs From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:34:41 -0600   "D. Keith Morgan" wrote: >. . . churches are simply not going to pay over $100,000 for a > two-manual, 20-rank organ.   Do you really realize how LITTLE money that is in this day and age? I've been pricing a replacement truck, and the one I'm looking at nearly approaches HALF that amount for ONE INDIVIDUAL VEHICLE.   Any church worth its salt ought to have NO TROUBLE WHATSOEVER coming up with the cost; especially for the number of organs being GIVEN away these days.   It's a matter of priorities both privately and corporately (as a church!)   Faithfully,   G.A.   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. Pipe Organ Builders 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (217) 944-2527 FAX mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL    
(back) Subject: Re: Names and costs From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:48:31 -0500   At 03:34 PM 3/21/2003 -0600, you wrote: >"D. Keith Morgan" wrote: > > >. . . churches are simply not going to pay over $100,000 for a > > two-manual, 20-rank organ. > >Do you really realize how LITTLE money that is in this day and age? >I've been pricing a replacement truck, and the one I'm looking at nearly >approaches HALF that amount for ONE INDIVIDUAL VEHICLE. > >Any church worth its salt ought to have NO TROUBLE WHATSOEVER coming up >with the cost; especially for the number of organs being GIVEN away >these days. > >It's a matter of priorities both privately and corporately (as a >church!) > >Faithfully, > >G.A.   Hi,   Up here in Canada, where the dollar is only worth 67 cents U.S., a lot of churches cannot afford even $50,000 Canadian for an organ. A lot of churches up here have less than 50 for Sunday morning attendance. And = most of them are on fixed income, seniors pension etc. Most of these churches have problems paying regular bills, let alone figuring out how to buy an expensive organ.   Even the Catholic church up here, although many people go, very, very few support the church in any meaningful way.   The only churches in the main that are doing well up here (around Toronto) =   are the charismatics, and the Oriental ones, and most of them just are not =   into buying a big organ, or an organ period.   Arie V.      
(back) Subject: Re: Needs instructions to build pipe organs From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:50:47 EST     --part1_1ab.12855c9d.2bacf147_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/21/2003 1:21:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, reedorgan@msn.com writes:     > I am looking for a manual or a book on how to build, add items to the = pipe > organ. I am having a pipe organ built in my house and I want to later = add > more ranks and stops and chimes and other items. I have never done any > electric work or any kind of work like this. So any help someone can = give > me would be great. > >   There are books available from the Organ Historical Society that will give =   you most of the information that you seek...BUT...building and/or adding = to existing pipe organs is a very labor intensive and costly proposition = unless you posess the necessary skills such as cabinet making, electronics = assembly, and other various necessary and sundry abilities. If you are having an = organ built now, the builder should make provisions in the wiring and physical layout (windchests, blower capacity, etc) so that the desired additions = can be made later at minimal expense.   I am not saying "don't do it" , but be aware that as a hobby, pipe organ = work can consume a vast amount of your time and financial resources. Try to = make friends with a local pipe organ maintenance provider. this person can give =   you lots of usefull guideance and may also be able to get parts/pipework = at a resonably good price. Also, some parts providers will not sell to just = anyone so as to protect their trade customers. Used parts and pipework are available IF you know where to go to get them.   Good luck with you rproject.   Rick in VA   --part1_1ab.12855c9d.2bacf147_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 3/21/2=3D 003 1:21:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, reedorgan@msn.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I am looking for a manual = o=3D r a book on how to build, add items to the pipe organ. &nbsp;I am having a = p=3D ipe organ built in my house and I want to later add more ranks and stops = and=3D chimes and other items. &nbsp;I have never done any electric work or any = ki=3D nd of work like this. &nbsp;So any help someone can give me would be = great.=3D20=3D &nbsp; <BR>=3D20 <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>There are books available from the Organ Historical Society that will = gi=3D ve you most of the information that you seek...BUT...building and/or = adding=3D20=3D to existing pipe organs is a very labor intensive and costly proposition = unl=3D ess you posess the necessary skills such as cabinet making, electronics = asse=3D mbly, and other various necessary and sundry abilities. &nbsp;If you are = hav=3D ing an organ built now, the builder should make provisions in the wiring = and=3D physical layout (windchests, blower capacity, etc) so that the desired = addi=3D tions can be made later at minimal expense. <BR> <BR>I am not saying "don't do it" , but be aware that as a hobby, pipe = organ=3D work can consume a vast amount of your time and financial resources. = &nbsp;=3D Try to make friends with a local pipe organ maintenance provider. this = perso=3D n can give you lots of usefull guideance and may also be able to get = parts/p=3D ipework at a resonably good price. Also, some parts providers will not = sell=3D20=3D to just anyone so as to protect their trade customers. &nbsp;Used parts = and=3D20=3D pipework are available IF you know where to go to get them. <BR> <BR>Good luck with you rproject. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1ab.12855c9d.2bacf147_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Names and costs From: "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:10:03 -0800   I have to agree with Arp. If a church WANTS a pipe organ, they will find = the MONEY for a pipe organ.   The rule of thumb I used was 10% of the total building project for the = organ .... and actually we're spending somewhat less ... the cost of the first stage of the building was $4 million; we're spending around $300K on the organ; Stage Two, the main church, will be in the neighborhood of $10 million; at least $600K of that will be for moving, rescaling, revoicing, and enlarging/finishing the organ, depending on adjustments for inflation = in 7-10 years.   Various folks on this and other lists have told tales of impoverished = small congregations that were determined to have a pipe organ, and succeeded in getting one. It CAN be done. Folks, you have to have the appetite for the fight (grin) ... our project has been six or seven years coming to = fruition, and that's a relatively SHORT campaign as pipe organ campaigns go. The = organ will be completed about the time I retire (grin). That's OK; it's not = being built for ME; it's being built for the PARISH for the next HUNDRED years = or so.   I really have to blame SOME downy-bird organists who just HAVE to have = four manuals and 100+ stops in a church that seats 250 people ... so they talk the powers-that-are into digital substitutes. I keep coming back to what = the AVERAGE organ in the AVERAGE church has to do ... two or three short voluntaries, three or four hymns, Gloria Patri, Doxology, simple anthem or solo accompaniment, maybe "prayin' music" under the Pastoral Prayer if you're in the South, and that's IT.   An organ for OUR service has to do a GREAT deal more than that, and I'm satisfied that the following, properly scaled and voiced, will do = everything it has to do JUST FINE in a 150 seat church, with excellent acoustics, = west gallery placement, and an ultra-traditional high Anglican choral service:   SWELL - 61 notes, enclosed   1 -16' Gedeckt - 12 pipes 2 - 8' Violin Diapason 1 - 8' Gedeckt 3 - 8' Celeste 4 - 4' Octave 5 - (2 2/3 Mixture III-V - maybe now, maybe later) 6 - 16' Bassoon - 12 pipes 7 - 8' Trumpet 6 - 8' Oboe   GREAT - 61 notes, encased   8 - 16' Violone - 1-12 in facade 9 - 8' Open Diapason - 1-12 in facade 8 - 8' Violoncello - 12 pipes 10 - 8' Chimney Flute 11 - 4' Octave 12 - 2 2/3 Cornet III 13 - 2' Mixture V 14 - 8' Cromorne (to be exchanged for Trumpet when Stage Two is built)   PEDAL - 32 notes   15 - 32' Resultant - 12 independent quint pipes; balance 16' Sub Bass playing 8va lower 15 - 16' Sub Bass 8 - 16' Violone - gt 1 - 16' Gedeckt - sw 16 - 8' Octave Bass 15 - 8' Flute - 12 pipes - ext. sub bass 17 - 4' Chorale Bass 15 - 4' Flute - 12 pipes - ext. sub bass 6 - 16' Bassoon - sw   Electric action to slider and duplex/unit chests, FULL intra AND = intermanual sub AND super couplers (grin).   Stage Two fills out the above and adds a small Rueckpositiv ... 30 stops total.   I played Anglican choral services on organs SMALLER than this when I was growing up, in LARGER churches.   Cheers,   Bud   Richard Schneider wrote:   > "D. Keith Morgan" wrote: > > >. . . churches are simply not going to pay over $100,000 for a > > two-manual, 20-rank organ. > > Do you really realize how LITTLE money that is in this day and age? > I've been pricing a replacement truck, and the one I'm looking at nearly > approaches HALF that amount for ONE INDIVIDUAL VEHICLE. > > Any church worth its salt ought to have NO TROUBLE WHATSOEVER coming up > with the cost; especially for the number of organs being GIVEN away > these days. > > It's a matter of priorities both privately and corporately (as a > church!) > > Faithfully, > > G.A. > > -- > Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO > SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. > Pipe Organ Builders > 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 > Kenney, IL 61749-0137 > (217) 944-2454 VOX > (217) 944-2527 FAX > mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL > mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL > mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL > http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: names and costs, ps From: "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:12:21 -0800   At the last organ committee meeting, I was offered $100K for a digital substitute, to be the permanent organ for both the interim and main churches. I turned it down; so did the Rector. Whether or not I'll get that $100K for the pipe organ remains to be seen, but that's OK.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Names and costs From: "Daryl Robinson" <drobinson@houston.rr.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:21:10 -0600   I recently played a 136 stop Allen with 20 or so ranks of pipes on it in = a church that seats maybe 500. It was ............ well, lets just say it filled the room.   Atleast in that situation, as in ours........the pipes will be there. We will have about 70 ranks of pipes and maybe 10 ranks of digital stuffin a room that seats 1,500. I dont think we'll be over doing it. The new building will be 14.5 million. We're in the middle of the campaign now. WOW...........it takes alot to raise this kinda of money. We raised about $150,000 in a year to buy the new Allen console that will be in our current sanctuary as JUST A digital organ (Room seats 450) and then moved = to the new one and connected with the pipes. Out curiousity, it anyone on the list familiar with the Allen P-DEC = system?? Allen says they have to have all the chest information and what for their software, makes sense. The guy we have to do the pipe organ disagreed though. But theres a LONG story there!   -Daryl    
(back) Subject: Re: Names and costs From: "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:25:44 -0800 (PST)   Nifty spec!, Bud!   Only quibble is the Gt. Cornet being "all bundled" up instead of broken out into the separate components.   -Bill   --- Bud <quilisma@socal.rr.com> wrote: > I have to agree with Arp. If a church WANTS a pipe organ, > they will find the > MONEY for a pipe organ. > > The rule of thumb I used was 10% of the total building > project for the organ > ... and actually we're spending somewhat less ... the cost of > the first > stage of the building was $4 million; we're spending around > $300K on the > organ; Stage Two, the main church, will be in the > neighborhood of $10 > million; at least $600K of that will be for moving, > rescaling, revoicing, > and enlarging/finishing the organ, depending on adjustments > for inflation in > 7-10 years. > > Various folks on this and other lists have told tales of > impoverished small > congregations that were determined to have a pipe organ, and > succeeded in > getting one. It CAN be done. Folks, you have to have the > appetite for the > fight (grin) ... our project has been six or seven years > coming to fruition, > and that's a relatively SHORT campaign as pipe organ > campaigns go. The organ > will be completed about the time I retire (grin). That's OK; > it's not being > built for ME; it's being built for the PARISH for the next > HUNDRED years or > so. > > I really have to blame SOME downy-bird organists who just > HAVE to have four > manuals and 100+ stops in a church that seats 250 people ... > so they talk > the powers-that-are into digital substitutes. I keep coming > back to what the > AVERAGE organ in the AVERAGE church has to do ... two or > three short > voluntaries, three or four hymns, Gloria Patri, Doxology, > simple anthem or > solo accompaniment, maybe "prayin' music" under the Pastoral > Prayer if > you're in the South, and that's IT. > > An organ for OUR service has to do a GREAT deal more than > that, and I'm > satisfied that the following, properly scaled and voiced, > will do everything > it has to do JUST FINE in a 150 seat church, with excellent > acoustics, west > gallery placement, and an ultra-traditional high Anglican > choral service: > > SWELL - 61 notes, enclosed > > 1 -16' Gedeckt - 12 pipes > 2 - 8' Violin Diapason > 1 - 8' Gedeckt > 3 - 8' Celeste > 4 - 4' Octave > 5 - (2 2/3 Mixture III-V - maybe now, maybe later) > 6 - 16' Bassoon - 12 pipes > 7 - 8' Trumpet > 6 - 8' Oboe > > GREAT - 61 notes, encased > > 8 - 16' Violone - 1-12 in facade > 9 - 8' Open Diapason - 1-12 in facade > 8 - 8' Violoncello - 12 pipes > 10 - 8' Chimney Flute > 11 - 4' Octave > 12 - 2 2/3 Cornet III > 13 - 2' Mixture V > 14 - 8' Cromorne (to be exchanged for Trumpet when Stage Two > is built) > > PEDAL - 32 notes > > 15 - 32' Resultant - 12 independent quint pipes; balance 16' > Sub Bass > playing 8va lower > 15 - 16' Sub Bass > 8 - 16' Violone - gt > 1 - 16' Gedeckt - sw > 16 - 8' Octave Bass > 15 - 8' Flute - 12 pipes - ext. sub bass > 17 - 4' Chorale Bass > 15 - 4' Flute - 12 pipes - ext. sub bass > 6 - 16' Bassoon - sw > > Electric action to slider and duplex/unit chests, FULL intra > AND intermanual > sub AND super couplers (grin). > > Stage Two fills out the above and adds a small Rueckpositiv > ... 30 stops > total. > > I played Anglican choral services on organs SMALLER than this > when I was > growing up, in LARGER churches. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Richard Schneider wrote: > > > "D. Keith Morgan" wrote: > > > > >. . . churches are simply not going to pay over $100,000 > for a > > > two-manual, 20-rank organ. > > > > Do you really realize how LITTLE money that is in this day > and age? > > I've been pricing a replacement truck, and the one I'm > looking at nearly > > approaches HALF that amount for ONE INDIVIDUAL VEHICLE. > > > > Any church worth its salt ought to have NO TROUBLE > WHATSOEVER coming up > > with the cost; especially for the number of organs being > GIVEN away > > these days. > > > > It's a matter of priorities both privately and corporately > (as a > > church!) > > > > Faithfully, > > > > G.A. > > > > -- > > Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO > > SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. > > Pipe Organ Builders > > 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 > > Kenney, IL 61749-0137 > > (217) 944-2454 VOX > > (217) 944-2527 FAX > > mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL > > mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL > > mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL > > http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D    
(back) Subject: Re: Names and costs From: "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:33:29 -0800 (PST)   Daryl,   My $0.02 as a software engineer (my vocation): software is generally a lot more pliable than hardware. I can see the pipe builder's point.   Its probably the most convenient (and thus cost effective) for the Allen folks if they can know everything in advance.   Again, $0.02 comment.   -Bill   --- Daryl Robinson <drobinson@houston.rr.com> wrote: > I recently played a 136 stop Allen with 20 or so ranks of > pipes on it in a > church that seats maybe 500. > It was ............ well, lets just say it filled the room. > > Atleast in that situation, as in ours........the pipes will > be there. We > will have about 70 ranks of pipes and maybe 10 ranks of > digital stuffin a > room that seats 1,500. I dont think we'll be over doing it. > The new building will be 14.5 million. We're in the middle of > the campaign > now. WOW...........it takes alot to raise this kinda of > money. We raised > about $150,000 in a year to buy the new Allen console that > will be in our > current sanctuary as JUST A digital organ (Room seats 450) > and then moved to > the new one and connected with the pipes. > Out curiousity, it anyone on the list familiar with the Allen > P-DEC system?? > Allen says they have to have all the chest information and > what for their > software, makes sense. The guy we have to do the pipe organ > disagreed > though. But theres a LONG story there! > > -Daryl > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D    
(back) Subject: Re: African or whatever Scam From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:47:36 -0500   On 3/21/03 2:17 PM, "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> wrote:   > I bet we'll see more of these type, aimed at a more specific topic > instead of everybody's fantasy.   Diane has a bit the mind of a scamster. (But she's right.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Names and costs From: "Daryl Robinson" <drobinson@houston.rr.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 17:38:50 -0600   It would be easier to buy the P-DEC now instead of messing with it in a = few years....... WOuld be easier to do it now when the organ is first being built and then just move it........makes sense from that point.   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Names and costs     > Daryl, > > My $0.02 as a software engineer (my vocation): software is > generally a lot more pliable than hardware. I can see the pipe > builder's point. > > Its probably the most convenient (and thus cost effective) for > the Allen folks if they can know everything in advance. > > Again, $0.02 comment. > > -Bill > > --- Daryl Robinson <drobinson@houston.rr.com> wrote: > > I recently played a 136 stop Allen with 20 or so ranks of > > pipes on it in a > > church that seats maybe 500. > > It was ............ well, lets just say it filled the room. > > > > Atleast in that situation, as in ours........the pipes will > > be there. We > > will have about 70 ranks of pipes and maybe 10 ranks of > > digital stuffin a > > room that seats 1,500. I dont think we'll be over doing it. > > The new building will be 14.5 million. We're in the middle of > > the campaign > > now. WOW...........it takes alot to raise this kinda of > > money. We raised > > about $150,000 in a year to buy the new Allen console that > > will be in our > > current sanctuary as JUST A digital organ (Room seats 450) > > and then moved to > > the new one and connected with the pipes. > > Out curiousity, it anyone on the list familiar with the Allen > > P-DEC system?? > > Allen says they have to have all the chest information and > > what for their > > software, makes sense. The guy we have to do the pipe organ > > disagreed > > though. But theres a LONG story there! > > > > -Daryl > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > > related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >