PipeChat Digest #3564 - Saturday, March 22, 2003
 
Re: Names and costs
  by "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Subject: Looking for organ art
  by <FastToccata@aol.com>
Re: Subject: Looking for organ art
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: African or whatever Scam
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
RE: What's in a name these days?
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Major Builder in USA
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: A Bedient replaced, and Anglican organs
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Africian Scam
  by "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
Re: Looking for organ art
  by "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Names and costs From: "Bud" <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:40:51 -0800   That's 'cause it'll be tubed off and mounted; it WILL be broken up and placed on the Rueckpositiv in Stage Two, and an 8' stop (to be determined) will be substituted for the Cornet on the Great.   Cheers,   Bud   Bill Raty wrote:   > Nifty spec!, Bud! > > Only quibble is the Gt. Cornet being "all bundled" up instead > of broken out into the separate components. > > -Bill > > --- Bud <quilisma@socal.rr.com> wrote: > > I have to agree with Arp. If a church WANTS a pipe organ, > > they will find the > > MONEY for a pipe organ. > > > > The rule of thumb I used was 10% of the total building > > project for the organ > > ... and actually we're spending somewhat less ... the cost of > > the first > > stage of the building was $4 million; we're spending around > > $300K on the > > organ; Stage Two, the main church, will be in the > > neighborhood of $10 > > million; at least $600K of that will be for moving, > > rescaling, revoicing, > > and enlarging/finishing the organ, depending on adjustments > > for inflation in > > 7-10 years. > > > > Various folks on this and other lists have told tales of > > impoverished small > > congregations that were determined to have a pipe organ, and > > succeeded in > > getting one. It CAN be done. Folks, you have to have the > > appetite for the > > fight (grin) ... our project has been six or seven years > > coming to fruition, > > and that's a relatively SHORT campaign as pipe organ > > campaigns go. The organ > > will be completed about the time I retire (grin). That's OK; > > it's not being > > built for ME; it's being built for the PARISH for the next > > HUNDRED years or > > so. > > > > I really have to blame SOME downy-bird organists who just > > HAVE to have four > > manuals and 100+ stops in a church that seats 250 people ... > > so they talk > > the powers-that-are into digital substitutes. I keep coming > > back to what the > > AVERAGE organ in the AVERAGE church has to do ... two or > > three short > > voluntaries, three or four hymns, Gloria Patri, Doxology, > > simple anthem or > > solo accompaniment, maybe "prayin' music" under the Pastoral > > Prayer if > > you're in the South, and that's IT. > > > > An organ for OUR service has to do a GREAT deal more than > > that, and I'm > > satisfied that the following, properly scaled and voiced, > > will do everything > > it has to do JUST FINE in a 150 seat church, with excellent > > acoustics, west > > gallery placement, and an ultra-traditional high Anglican > > choral service: > > > > SWELL - 61 notes, enclosed > > > > 1 -16' Gedeckt - 12 pipes > > 2 - 8' Violin Diapason > > 1 - 8' Gedeckt > > 3 - 8' Celeste > > 4 - 4' Octave > > 5 - (2 2/3 Mixture III-V - maybe now, maybe later) > > 6 - 16' Bassoon - 12 pipes > > 7 - 8' Trumpet > > 6 - 8' Oboe > > > > GREAT - 61 notes, encased > > > > 8 - 16' Violone - 1-12 in facade > > 9 - 8' Open Diapason - 1-12 in facade > > 8 - 8' Violoncello - 12 pipes > > 10 - 8' Chimney Flute > > 11 - 4' Octave > > 12 - 2 2/3 Cornet III > > 13 - 2' Mixture V > > 14 - 8' Cromorne (to be exchanged for Trumpet when Stage Two > > is built) > > > > PEDAL - 32 notes > > > > 15 - 32' Resultant - 12 independent quint pipes; balance 16' > > Sub Bass > > playing 8va lower > > 15 - 16' Sub Bass > > 8 - 16' Violone - gt > > 1 - 16' Gedeckt - sw > > 16 - 8' Octave Bass > > 15 - 8' Flute - 12 pipes - ext. sub bass > > 17 - 4' Chorale Bass > > 15 - 4' Flute - 12 pipes - ext. sub bass > > 6 - 16' Bassoon - sw > > > > Electric action to slider and duplex/unit chests, FULL intra > > AND intermanual > > sub AND super couplers (grin). > > > > Stage Two fills out the above and adds a small Rueckpositiv > > ... 30 stops > > total. > > > > I played Anglican choral services on organs SMALLER than this > > when I was > > growing up, in LARGER churches. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Bud > > > > Richard Schneider wrote: > > > > > "D. Keith Morgan" wrote: > > > > > > >. . . churches are simply not going to pay over $100,000 > > for a > > > > two-manual, 20-rank organ. > > > > > > Do you really realize how LITTLE money that is in this day > > and age? > > > I've been pricing a replacement truck, and the one I'm > > looking at nearly > > > approaches HALF that amount for ONE INDIVIDUAL VEHICLE. > > > > > > Any church worth its salt ought to have NO TROUBLE > > WHATSOEVER coming up > > > with the cost; especially for the number of organs being > > GIVEN away > > > these days. > > > > > > It's a matter of priorities both privately and corporately > > (as a > > > church!) > > > > > > Faithfully, > > > > > > G.A. > > > > > > -- > > > Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO > > > SCHNEIDER PIPE ORGANS, Inc. > > > Pipe Organ Builders > > > 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 > > > Kenney, IL 61749-0137 > > > (217) 944-2454 VOX > > > (217) 944-2527 FAX > > > mailto:arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL > > > mailto:arp@starband.net SHOP SATELLITE EMAIL > > > mailto:arpschneider@starband.net HOME OFFICE EMAIL > > > http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com WEB PAGE URL > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > > related topics > > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > > related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Subject: Looking for organ art From: <FastToccata@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 18:52:50 EST     --part1_23.2d678d6f.2bacffd2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   My husband made a wall hanging out of 12 wooden pipes and it really turned =   out nice and follows the shape of the walls going up to the ceiling into a =   peak and doesn't take up a lot of space. It hangs on the wall right above = my practice organ and many have commented how great it looks. Those who come =   into our home and really don't know much about organs, ask if we have a = pipe organ (which we don't - sorry, it is electronic). These pipes we got for really cheap, and our from a theatre pipe organ of some sort.   We also have a theatre organ bench which we use as an entrance table since = it is too high to sit on and looks great as a piece of furniture.     --part1_23.2d678d6f.2bacffd2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">My husband made a wall hanging out of 12 wooden = pipes=3D20=3D and it really turned out nice and follows the shape of the walls going up = to=3D the ceiling into a peak and doesn't take up a lot of space.&nbsp; It = hangs=3D20=3D on the wall right above my practice organ and many have commented how = great=3D20=3D it looks.&nbsp; Those who come into our home and really don't know much = abou=3D t organs, ask if we have a pipe organ (which we don't - sorry, it is = electro=3D nic).&nbsp; These pipes we got for really cheap, and our from a theatre = pipe=3D organ of some sort.<BR> <BR> We also have a theatre organ bench which we use as an entrance table since = i=3D t is too high to sit on and looks great as a piece of furniture.<BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_23.2d678d6f.2bacffd2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Subject: Looking for organ art From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:11:02 -0500   > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not = understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   --B_3131118663_21025407 Content-type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   On 3/21/03 6:52 PM, "FastToccata@aol.com" <FastToccata@aol.com> wrote:   > My husband made a wall hanging out of 12 wooden pipes and it really = turne=3D d out > nice and follows the shape of the walls going up to the ceiling into a = pe=3D ak > and doesn't take up a lot of space.   Dear Fast:   Well, that=3DB9s one thing husbands might occasionally be good for. = Sounds great! Enjoy!   Alan   --B_3131118663_21025407 Content-type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML> <HEAD> <TITLE>Re: Subject: Looking for organ art</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman">On 3/21/03 6:52 PM, = &quot;FastToccata@aol.com&=3D quot; &lt;FastToccata@aol.com&gt; wrote:<BR> <BR> </FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Arial">My husband made a wall hanging = out of=3D 12 wooden pipes and it really turned out nice and follows the shape of = the =3D walls going up to the ceiling into a peak and doesn't take up a lot of = space=3D .. &nbsp;<BR> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D3D"Times New Roman"><BR> Dear Fast:<BR> <BR> Well, that&#8217;s one thing husbands might occasionally be good for. = &nbsp=3D ;Sounds great! &nbsp;Enjoy!<BR> <BR> Alan</FONT> </BODY> </HTML>     --B_3131118663_21025407--    
(back) Subject: Re: African or whatever Scam From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 20:47:26 -0500   <<<<<Diane has a bit the mind of a scamster. (But she's right.)>>>> Naw, that's called Marketing!   Diane S.    
(back) Subject: RE: What's in a name these days? From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:23:47 -0600   You should not be snuggling with strange pooches away from home! What will the children think?   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Cremona502@cs.com Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:50 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: What's in a name these days?   I enjoyed my one evening snuggled in the grass watching the sunset with an extremely lovely female with beautiful dark hair who captured my heart the moment I saw her. =A0I think of her often!=20     =20    
(back) Subject: Re: Major Builder in USA From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:42:28 -0600   I believe at the moment Schantz has the highest output of any builder in the United States by quite a long way. Austin is a much smaller company than it used to be, and I believe they now have fewer than a dozen employees in their Hartford factory. So far as enormous buildings are concerned, I would say Reuter would probably come out on top -- their new factory is quite awesome.   John Speller   First Christian Church of Casey, IL wrote:   >Bruce, in terms of operation and output, surely Wicks is THE major = builder >in the USA. Their buildings are enormous,and their opus list is very >substantial. > >Dennis Steckley >__________ >"I think Austin has taken the forefront as the country's major >large/factory organ builder" > >      
(back) Subject: Re: A Bedient replaced, and Anglican organs From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:49:02 -0600   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote:   >That brings up a whole question: WHAT do Anglican churches DO with >all-unenclosed neo-baroque organs? > >That Flentrop in the Episcopal church in Palo Alto is nice, and the >acoustics of the church are grand, BUT ... > >The Anglican service REQUIRES a swell-box and an enclosed reed chorus, >UNLESS you're going to restrict yourself to 17th-18th century >voluntaries, Settings and anthems, of which there are not a whole lot, >at least not Settings and anthems. > >I will NOT buy an organ that can't at LEAST accompany "Jerusalem" and "I >Was Glad" (chuckle) ... and throw in the Davies "Solemn Melody" and the >Thalben-Ball "Elegy" and the Oldroyd Mass for good measure <G>. > > > I couldn't agree more. Besides a swellbox and enclosed reed chorus, you would also, I think, want a string or two, preferably with a celeste. And on a slightly larger instrument a few nice color reeds such as an English Horn wouldn't hurt either. For a really effective rendering of "I was glad", it wouldn't hurt to have a Tuba too.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Africian Scam From: "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 19:58:30 -0800 (PST)   Dear Lee:   No!!! You and I are about the same age. They wouldn't get much out of my bank account either, and I'm going to do everything possible to see that they don't get anything from it.   Someone from South Africa wrote to me some time ago, and very emphatically stated that these scams were sent from NIGERIA, and NOT from South Africa, and that responsible South Africans were as appalled about this as we are, but there was nothing they could do about it.   D. Keith Morgan     --- Chicaleee@aol.com wrote: > Keith, > > So now I am elderly and a religious fanatic, hummm. > I still have a few cents > (sense). (And they sure wouldn't get much out of my > bank account.) > > Lee >     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Looking for organ art From: "Bill Raty" <billious@billraty.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 00:50:51 -0800 (PST)   So impressive was the case, that Wm Jenkins, the builder of the first organ in the Mormon Tabernacle, reused the design. The similarity of the visual motif (four inner towers) is unmistakable.   Sorry, grew up in Utah, and have been "imprinted" by all the "Music & Spoken Word" broadcasts on Sunday morning during childhood. I fondly remember watching & hearing Alexandar the Great playing those 5 manuals!   -Bill   --- Tim Bovard <tmbovard@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hi, Justin -- > > You might check with the good folks at the Methuen (MA) > Memorial Music > Hall. When I visited there a couple years ago, they were > offering > beautifully done (certainly worthy of professional > matting/framing) black > and white poster-size prints of the organ, as means to help > fund the > ongoing maintenance of the instrument. One could hardly > argue the > "impressive" appearance of *that* organ case...! > > Tim > > At 03:32 PM 3/20/03 -0500, you wrote: > >I'm decorating my apartment, and I would really like to have > a "full size" > >poster of an organ, or something similar. Something with > many pipes, you > >know, impressive (before I get flamed for that, I meant the > look is > >impressive, I meant nothing by bigger is better) > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & > related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D