PipeChat Digest #3566 - Sunday, March 23, 2003
 
Re: Major Builder in USA
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Needs instructions to build pipe organs
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: What's in  a Name
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: A Bedient replaced, and Anglican organs
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: Needs instructions to build pipe organs
  by "Dennis Faber" <reedorgan@msn.com>
Re: What Do Anglican Congregations Do ???
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
A correction re Zimmer
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Re: A Bedient replaced, and Anglican organs
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Major Builder in USA From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:21:10 EST     --part1_156.1d6004f7.2bae8226_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/21/03 12:42:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, = kzrev@rr1.net writes:     > Bruce, in terms of operation and output, surely Wicks is THE major = builder > in the USA. Their buildings are enormous,and their opus list is very > substantial. >   When considering a "major" builder I look first toward the quality of = sound produced on their instrument, consistently. Wicks does fine mechanical, =   some nice visual, but not that much outstanding tonal work. Granted, the =   only new Wicks I've heard are in Jacksonville FL (St. Mark's Episcopal), which I found painfully loud and a bit unrefined, and First Baptist of = Ocala, Florida, which is rather forced and wooden (granted the room is anything = but musically friendly). I have heard older Wicks in Texas and Savannah, Georgia, that are quite rich and wonderful. But not as many that were as consistently rich and wonderful as Austin organs that I've played. I = don't know of another "big" builder that has maintained overall stability, fiscally, mechanically and tonally, as has Austin.   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_156.1d6004f7.2bae8226_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 3/21/0=3D 3 12:42:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, kzrev@rr1.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Bruce, in terms of = operatio=3D n and output, surely Wicks is THE major builder <BR>in the USA. &nbsp;Their buildings are enormous,and their opus list is = ve=3D ry <BR>substantial. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>When considering a "major" builder I look first toward the quality of = so=3D und produced on their instrument, consistently. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wicks = does=3D fine mechanical, some nice visual, but not that much outstanding tonal = work=3D .. &nbsp;&nbsp;Granted, the only new Wicks I've heard are in Jacksonville = FL=3D20=3D (St. Mark's Episcopal), which I found painfully loud and a bit unrefined, = an=3D d First Baptist of Ocala, Florida, which is rather forced and wooden = (grante=3D d the room is anything but musically friendly). &nbsp;&nbsp;I have heard = old=3D er Wicks in Texas and Savannah, Georgia, that are quite rich and = wonderful.=3D20=3D &nbsp;But not as many that were as consistently rich and wonderful as = Austin=3D organs that I've played. &nbsp;&nbsp;I don't know of another "big" = builder=3D20=3D that has maintained overall stability, fiscally, mechanically and tonally, = a=3D s has Austin. <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_156.1d6004f7.2bae8226_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Needs instructions to build pipe organs From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:23:14 EST     --part1_4e.19a8e708.2bae82a2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/21/03 1:21:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, reedorgan@msn.com writes:     > I am looking for a manual or a book on how to build, add items to the = pipe > organ. I am having a pipe organ built in my house and I want to later = add > more ranks and stops and chimes and other items.   My recommendation would be to work closely with those who install the pipe =   organ in your house to learn by instruction and observation, and then take =   recommendations for books from them.   May we (who are organless... um... pipewise and at home) have more information on your project?   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_4e.19a8e708.2bae82a2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 3/21/0=3D 3 1:21:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, reedorgan@msn.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I am looking for a manual = o=3D r a book on how to build, add items to the pipe organ. &nbsp;I am having a = p=3D ipe organ built in my house and I want to later add more ranks and stops = and=3D chimes and other items.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"S=3D ANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>My recommendation would be to work closely with those who install the = pi=3D pe organ in your house to learn by instruction and observation, and then = tak=3D e recommendations for books from them. <BR> <BR>May we (who are organless... um... pipewise and at home) have more = infor=3D mation on your project? <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_4e.19a8e708.2bae82a2_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: What's in a Name From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:28:48 EST     --part1_1d3.5b8522f.2bae83f0_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/21/03 1:23:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ray_Ahrens@msn.com writes:     > The Grand Rapids Bedient has been relocated to U of Northern Texas in = Denton > (I think that's where they are). It has been or will be replaced with > something more suitable to the Episcopal service.   That's good to hear. Even I considered that instrument somewhat extreme = for a church, but I would have added another instrument in the front for the = more mundanities of service use. In the video by Bedient which chronicaled = the research, design, building, and installation of that organ I was quite saddened that the first piece we heard played on it was the everghastly Powell "Holy, Holy Holy" from the communion service, "Missa Plastica d' Cowboy." (at least I don't have to listen to THAT in a Baptist church!! = ;-) ).   I am still of the opinion that at the hands of a sensitive and capable musician ANY pipe organ can play a service appropriate to any = denomination. After all, even the Casavant I play for the Baptists each week is hardly close to what one would expect for a southern Baptist church, but it works =   wonderfully. It, by the way, replaced a 2-manual WurliTzer!!     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_1d3.5b8522f.2bae83f0_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 3/21/0=3D 3 1:23:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, Ray_Ahrens@msn.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The Grand Rapids Bedient = ha=3D s been relocated to U of Northern Texas in Denton <BR>(I think that's where they are). &nbsp;It has been or will be replaced = w=3D ith <BR>something more suitable to the Episcopal service.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"=3D #000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" = LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOT=3D E> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>That's good to hear. &nbsp;&nbsp;Even I considered that instrument = somew=3D hat extreme for a church, but I would have added another instrument in the = f=3D ront for the more mundanities of service use. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In the = video=3D by Bedient which chronicaled the research, design, building, and = installati=3D on of that organ I was quite saddened that the first piece we heard played = o=3D n it was the everghastly Powell "Holy, Holy Holy" from the communion = service=3D , "Missa Plastica d' Cowboy." &nbsp;&nbsp;(at least I don't have to listen = t=3D o THAT in a Baptist church!! ;-) &nbsp;). <BR> <BR>I am still of the opinion that at the hands of a sensitive and capable = m=3D usician ANY pipe organ can play a service appropriate to any denomination. = &=3D nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;After all, even the Casavant I play for the Baptists each = w=3D eek is hardly close to what one would expect for a southern Baptist = church,=3D20=3D but it works wonderfully. &nbsp;&nbsp;It, by the way, replaced a 2-manual = Wu=3D rliTzer!! <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_1d3.5b8522f.2bae83f0_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: A Bedient replaced, and Anglican organs From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:36:42 EST     --part1_1dc.5c3c0ea.2bae85ca_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/21/03 2:06:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:     > That brings up a whole question: WHAT do Anglican churches DO with > all-unenclosed neo-baroque organs? > > That Flentrop in the Episcopal church in Palo Alto is nice, and the > acoustics of the church are grand, BUT ... >   You did not mention the size of the Palo Alto Flentrop, but there are, I would venture to guess, very few (if any) totally unenclosed instruments = in Anglican churches that are of sufficient size to accompany "bit" Anglican anthems.     > The Anglican service REQUIRES a swell-box and an enclosed reed chorus, > UNLESS you're going to restrict yourself to 17th-18th century > voluntaries, Settings and anthems, of which there are not a whole lot, > at least not Settings and anthems.   Again, I disagree with the service requiring a swell box. If the organ is =   sensitively voiced with stops of varying dynamic, swell shades are a = luxury. In a small organ, I would much rather have another rank or two of pipes = than a swell box and pistons, moveable console, etc. Much of the treasured music which many feel requires pistons, three enclosed divisions, etc, was =   written for instrument without those amenities. I have played many = services on a 57-rank 3-manual organ without necessary use of the swell box. = First of all, pipes sound much better when not muffled by swell shades. = Granted, the full fiery swell is wonderful sound, but it's not necessary to good Anglical service playing (especially in a 'typical' parish), and neither = is a chamade!     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_1dc.5c3c0ea.2bae85ca_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 3/21/0=3D 3 2:06:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">That brings up a whole = ques=3D tion: WHAT do Anglican churches DO with <BR>all-unenclosed neo-baroque organs?=3D20 <BR> <BR>That Flentrop in the Episcopal church in Palo Alto is nice, and the <BR>acoustics of the church are grand, BUT ... <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">You did not mention the size of the Palo Alto Flentrop, = but=3D20=3D there are, I would venture to guess, very few (if any) totally unenclosed = in=3D struments in Anglican churches that are of sufficient size to accompany = "bit=3D " Anglican anthems. <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px so=3D lid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">The Anglican = se=3D rvice REQUIRES a swell-box and an enclosed reed chorus, <BR>UNLESS you're going to restrict yourself to 17th-18th century <BR>voluntaries, Settings and anthems, of which there are not a whole lot, <BR>at least not Settings and anthems.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = SIZE=3D =3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>Again, I disagree with the service requiring a swell box. &nbsp;If the = o=3D rgan is sensitively voiced with stops of varying dynamic, swell shades are = a=3D luxury. &nbsp;&nbsp;In a small organ, I would much rather have another = rank=3D or two of pipes than a swell box and pistons, moveable console, etc. = &nbsp;=3D &nbsp;&nbsp;Much of the treasured music which many feel requires pistons, th=3D ree enclosed divisions, etc, was written for instrument without those = amenit=3D ies. &nbsp;&nbsp;I have played many services on a 57-rank 3-manual organ = wit=3D hout necessary use of the swell box. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;First of all, pipes = s=3D ound much better when not muffled by swell shades. &nbsp;&nbsp;Granted, = the=3D20=3D full fiery swell is &nbsp;wonderful sound, but it's not necessary to good = An=3D glical service playing (especially in a 'typical' parish), and neither is = a=3D20=3D chamade! <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_1dc.5c3c0ea.2bae85ca_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Needs instructions to build pipe organs From: "Dennis Faber" <reedorgan@msn.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:41:02 -0500   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0052_01C2F0C4.1E38F260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   I am have a organ company building a 5 rank organ in my house, but they = =3D are taking their time on getting it finished. I signed the contract in = =3D Sept of 2002 and it is still not finished. For the organ being 5 ranks = =3D only that should have been finished I WOULD think. The guy is an =3D organist and has a church, so he is employed at 2 places. I think they = =3D take on too much when you are an organist. I think he should have =3D employees to do the work when he is not able. So I can say I am =3D organless in my house except. Dennis ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: Cremona502@cs.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Needs instructions to build pipe organs     In a message dated 3/21/03 1:21:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, =3D reedorgan@msn.com writes:=3D20       I am looking for a manual or a book on how to build, add items to =3D the pipe organ. I am having a pipe organ built in my house and I want =3D to later add more ranks and stops and chimes and other items.     My recommendation would be to work closely with those who install the = =3D pipe organ in your house to learn by instruction and observation, and =3D then take recommendations for books from them.=3D20   May we (who are organless... um... pipewise and at home) have more =3D information on your project?=3D20   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres = =3D http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 =3D20     ------=3D_NextPart_000_0052_01C2F0C4.1E38F260 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type =3D content=3D3Dtext/html;charset=3D3Diso-8859-1> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY id=3D3DMailContainerBody=3D20 style=3D3D"FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: #000000; =3D BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; FONT-STYLE: normal; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; =3D BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE: none; BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none; TEXT-DECORATION: =3D none; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none"=3D20 leftMargin=3D3D0 topMargin=3D3D0 acc_role=3D3D"text" = CanvasTabStop=3D3D"true"=3D20 name=3D3D"Compose message area"><?xml:namespace prefix=3D3D"v" =3D /><?xml:namespace prefix=3D3D"o" /> <DIV>I am have a organ company building a 5 rank organ in my house, but = =3D they are=3D20 taking their time on getting it finished.&nbsp; I signed the contract in = =3D Sept of=3D20 2002 and it is still not finished.&nbsp; For the organ being 5 ranks =3D only that=3D20 should have been finished I WOULD&nbsp; think.&nbsp; The guy is an =3D organist and=3D20 has a church, so he is employed at 2 places.&nbsp; I think they take on = =3D too much=3D20 when you are an organist.&nbsp; I think he should have employees to do =3D the work=3D20 when he is not able.&nbsp; So I can say I am organless in my house =3D except.</DIV> <DIV>Dennis</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3D3Dltr=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>From:</B> <A =3D title=3D3DCremona502@cs.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:Cremona502@cs.com">Cremona502@cs.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, March 22, 2003 = =3D 10:23=3D20 PM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Needs instructions = =3D to build=3D20 pipe organs</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT size=3D3D2>In a message dated = =3D 3/21/03=3D20 1:21:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, <A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:reedorgan@msn.com">reedorgan@msn.com</A> writes: =3D <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">I am looking for a manual or a book on how to build, add = =3D items=3D20 to the pipe organ. &nbsp;I am having a pipe organ built in my house = =3D and I=3D20 want to later add more ranks and stops and chimes and other=3D20 items.</FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 face=3D3DArial color=3D3D#000000 = size=3D3D3=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial=3D20 color=3D3D#000000 size=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF"><BR>My = recommendation =3D would be to work=3D20 closely with those who install the pipe organ in your house to learn =3D by=3D20 instruction and observation, and then take recommendations for books =3D from=3D20 them. <BR><BR>May we (who are organless... um... pipewise and at home) = =3D have=3D20 more information on your project? <BR><BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and = =3D Degui=3D20 &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling Acres =3D http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502=3D20 &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D20 <BR></FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0052_01C2F0C4.1E38F260--  
(back) Subject: Re: What Do Anglican Congregations Do ??? From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:56:16 EST     --part1_3b.3577fd2b.2bae8a60_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/21/03 8:29:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, mattcinnj@yahoo.com writes:     > I attend services where the organ is about 4 ranks of exposed 1970ish > Moeller pipework. Two ranks are a mixture !!! > There are 3 Sunday services, one with NO music, one with popular > music(includes a choir) and the 11:15 with the regular choir and the = Moller. > People have migrated to the 2 earlier services and some have gone to = other > churches. A recent poll of the congregation's desire to allocate new = monies > in an expansion fund raising drive listed expanding/replacing the organ = a > dead last of 10 out of 10. >   Please be realistic!! An organ of four ranks, two of which are a = mixture, is NOT a good design even if each rank was in its own swell box!   If they had a Diapason, Flute, String, and an Oboe, they could support a perfectly respectable music program in a small church. If the organ is severely mismatched to the building because they were too cheap to get an appropriately sized instrument, it certainly isn't the organs fault!   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_3b.3577fd2b.2bae8a60_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 3/21/0=3D 3 8:29:28 AM Eastern Standard Time, mattcinnj@yahoo.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I attend services where = the=3D organ is about 4 ranks of exposed 1970ish Moeller pipework. Two ranks are = a=3D mixture !!!=3D20 <BR>There are 3 Sunday services, one with NO music, one with popular = music(i=3D ncludes a choir) and the 11:15 with the regular choir and the Moller. <BR>People have migrated to the 2 earlier services and some have gone to = oth=3D er churches. A recent poll of the congregation's desire to allocate new = moni=3D es in an expansion fund raising drive listed expanding/replacing the organ = a=3D dead last of 10 out of 10. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR>Please be realistic!! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;An organ of four ranks, two of = w=3D hich are a mixture, &nbsp;is NOT a good design even if each rank was in = its=3D20=3D own swell box! <BR> <BR>If they had a Diapason, Flute, String, and an Oboe, they could support = a=3D perfectly respectable music program in a small church. &nbsp;&nbsp;If the = o=3D rgan is severely mismatched to the building because they were too cheap to = g=3D et an appropriately sized instrument, it certainly isn't the organs fault! <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_3b.3577fd2b.2bae8a60_boundary--  
(back) Subject: A correction re Zimmer From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 23:38:50 EST     --part1_c.cf58242.2bae945a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Mea culpa!   I was just informed by a friend that the organ at St. Paul's, Smithfield = NC was built by Franz Zimmer. I was using information from the CD jacket which mentioned Ben Zimmer at the builder so I assumed it was not Franz. = I don't keep up with the digital guys so the name of Cornell Zimmer did not come to mind.   Credit where it's due!   Apologetically,     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_c.cf58242.2bae945a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>Mea culpa! <BR> <BR>I was just informed by a friend that the organ at St. Paul's, = Smithfield=3D NC was built by Franz Zimmer. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I was using = informati=3D on from the CD jacket which mentioned Ben Zimmer at the builder so I = assumed=3D it was not Franz. &nbsp;I don't keep up with the digital guys so the name = o=3D f Cornell Zimmer did not come to mind. <BR> <BR>Credit where it's due! <BR> <BR>Apologetically, <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_c.cf58242.2bae945a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: A Bedient replaced, and Anglican organs From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 22:47:27 -0600   At 10:36 PM 3/22/03 -0500, Bruce wrote: <snip> First of all, pipes sound much better when not muffled by swell shades. <snip>   But what if the pipes are properly scaled, voiced, and finished to reside within a swell enclosure...?? I've personally tuned many, many organ = pipes which make absolutely ugly sounds when one is literally standing right on top of them...but when you listen to them from a seat in the room, they become ravishingly beautiful voices.   I don't mean to quibble, but that is just a bit too much of a "blanket statement:"...! :-)   Cheers!   Tim