PipeChat Digest #3575 - Friday, March 28, 2003
 
Organ  help!
  by "Rob McGregor" <e1afoxtrot@hotmail.com>
Grand Canyon and environs
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: registration aids - toe studs
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Organ  help!
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Re: Grand Canyon and environs
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
Re: registration aids - toe studs
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Organ  help!
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: Grand Canyon and environs
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: Organ  help!
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
 

(back) Subject: Organ help! From: "Rob McGregor" <e1afoxtrot@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:35:51 -0600   Hello everyone,   I'm new to the group I'm a 19 yr old male organist in the midwest.   I have a problem! I've recently come to a church where they are eventually =   wanting to hire me once their current organist retires. I've only been = here for about 2 months.   They have a nice Kilgan organ however before I arrived both consoles were destroyed by a lightning strike. They hired Rogers Organ to come in to install a digital organ with digital ranks, and also serve to control the Kilgan pipes.   The Rodgers "professionals" have decided to do several things. I am only = 19 yrs old and still have alot to learn but...somethings they have done seem = a bit sketchy. They have gotten rid of their blower they had before, and installed 2 smaller blowers, and placed them in the pipe chamber (which = has caused a lot of noise to reverberate in this large cathedral.) They have also lowered the wind pressure from the 5 inches that were in the Kilgan specs and also that the pipes were voiced at. From what I understand about =   windpressure pipes are voiced at a certain wind pressure and when they are =   lowered from that wind pressure it can cause many problems. They have also =   disconnected a pipe that they can not get to work...or have not attempted = to try to get it to work.   I'm just curious on what all of your thoughts are on this, and what I = should do in this situation. The organist they have now knows NOTHING about = organs, and neither do the priests. Im afriad that these Rodgers "professionals" = are just using this as an opportunity to do whatever they want, and to make their Digital organ sound good, while sacrificing the pipe organ in the process.   Any comments or help any of you could profide would be greatly = appreciated,   Thank you! R. McGregor   _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/virus    
(back) Subject: Grand Canyon and environs From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:44:12 -0600   Rick has chosen the Grand Canyon in May for our 25th wedding anniversary trip, which has been a bear to plan. However, as a perk we are flying out of Salt Lake City, and I am returning in June to SLC for the AGO regional convention.   Other than in that fair city, are there any must see organs in the Phoenix/Flagstaff/Page/Bryce Canyon/Provo areas?   And for others who have been out there or are familiar with that area of Arizona and Utah, what gas/oil stations are most prevalent out there, so that I may procure a back-up credit card for emergencies?   Thank thee,   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com        
(back) Subject: Re: registration aids - toe studs From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:59:42 -0600   ----- Original Message ----- From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:18 AM Subject: Re: registration aids - toe studs     > Re toe studs: > > I have found that practice makes it easier to find without looking. > However, a new(different) organ requires constant looking.     In my decadent English public school I had an organ teacher who used to = hit me whenever I looked at the pedals or toe studs. This helped me considerably to learn how to use them <g>   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ help! From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:02:49 -0500   At 06:35 PM 3/27/2003 -0600, you wrote: >Hello everyone, > >I'm new to the group I'm a 19 yr old male organist in the midwest. > >I have a problem! I've recently come to a church where they are = eventually >wanting to hire me once their current organist retires. I've only been >here for about 2 months. > >They have a nice Kilgan organ however before I arrived both consoles were =   >destroyed by a lightning strike. They hired Rogers Organ to come in to >install a digital organ with digital ranks, and also serve to control the =   >Kilgan pipes. > >The Rodgers "professionals" have decided to do several things. I am only >19 yrs old and still have alot to learn but...somethings they have done >seem a bit sketchy. They have gotten rid of their blower they had before, =   >and installed 2 smaller blowers, and placed them in the pipe chamber >(which has caused a lot of noise to reverberate in this large cathedral.) =   >They have also lowered the wind pressure from the 5 inches that were in >the Kilgan specs and also that the pipes were voiced at. From what I >understand about windpressure pipes are voiced at a certain wind pressure =   >and when they are lowered from that wind pressure it can cause many >problems. They have also disconnected a pipe that they can not get to >work...or have not attempted to try to get it to work. > >I'm just curious on what all of your thoughts are on this, and what I >should do in this situation. The organist they have now knows NOTHING >about organs, and neither do the priests. Im afriad that these Rodgers >"professionals" are just using this as an opportunity to do whatever they =   >want, and to make their Digital organ sound good, while sacrificing the >pipe organ in the process. > >Any comments or help any of you could profide would be greatly = appreciated, > >Thank you! >R. McGregor   Hi,   I think you have pegged it quite well. The Rodgers people, for the most part are not pipe people, and figure that the more money the church = spends, the more they have in their pocket. It sounds very much like they want = the church to chuck the pipes and put in an entirely digital instrument, or at =   least evenly put in their own pipework.   Arie V.      
(back) Subject: Re: Grand Canyon and environs From: <OrganMD@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:37:55 EST     --part1_1ea.5416fc2.2bb50f83_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Glenda ............   As one that lives in Salt Lake City, the most common fuel stops are = Chevron and Sinclair. Of course others, Texaco, Conoco, Phillips have a presence here too.   As to pipe organs in Phoenix, there is a new Casavant in the American Lutheran Church in Sun City, North Phoenix Baptist has an Austin of 100 ranks but the acoustics are dreadful and they do only the bare minimum of maintenance on the organ, ASU in Tempe has several pipe organs on campus, =   Central Methodist has a 3 manual something ...it has been too many years, = I do not remember just exactly what.   As to Page, I do not think so. NAU in Flagstaff has a fine Austin in = their fine arts auditorium. In Provo, there are several instruments on the = campus of BYU and a Bigelow in an LDS church.   I hope that this is of help. Please feel free to get back to me if you = have any other questions.   Sincerely,   Bill Hesterman   --part1_1ea.5416fc2.2bb50f83_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hi Glenda ............<BR> <BR> As one that lives in Salt Lake City, the most common fuel stops are = Chevron=3D20=3D and Sinclair.&nbsp; Of course others, Texaco, Conoco, Phillips have a = presen=3D ce here too.<BR> <BR> As to pipe organs in Phoenix,&nbsp; there is a new Casavant in the = American=3D20=3D Lutheran Church in Sun City,&nbsp; North Phoenix Baptist has an Austin of = 10=3D 0 ranks but the acoustics are dreadful and they do only the bare minimum = of=3D20=3D maintenance on the organ,&nbsp; ASU in Tempe has several pipe organs on = camp=3D us, Central Methodist has a 3 manual something ...it has been too many = years=3D , I do not remember just exactly what.<BR> <BR> As to Page, I do not think so.&nbsp; NAU in Flagstaff has a fine Austin in = t=3D heir fine arts auditorium.&nbsp; In Provo, there are several instruments = on=3D20=3D the campus of BYU and a Bigelow in an LDS church.<BR> <BR> I hope that this is of help.&nbsp; Please feel free to get back to me if = you=3D have any other questions.<BR> <BR> Sincerely,<BR> <BR> Bill Hesterman</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1ea.5416fc2.2bb50f83_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: registration aids - toe studs From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:49:41 EST     --part1_f5.2b42240d.2bb51245_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 3/27/2003 9:03:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes:   > In my decadent English public school I had an organ teacher who used to = hit > me whenever I looked at the pedals or toe studs. This helped me > considerably to learn how to use them <g> > > John Speller > >   I would say John that I would learn quickly myself if that was happening!   dale   --part1_f5.2b42240d.2bb51245_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"=3D Georgia Ref" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated 3/27/2003 9:03:18 PM Eastern = Stan=3D dard Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT=3D : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#000000"=3D style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"A=3D rial" LANG=3D3D"0">In my decadent English public school I had an organ = teacher=3D who used to hit<BR> me whenever I looked at the pedals or toe studs.&nbsp; This helped me<BR> considerably to learn how to use them &lt;g&gt;<BR> <BR> John Speller<BR> <BR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Georgia Ref" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> I would say John that I would learn quickly myself if that was = happening!<BR=3D > <BR> dale</FONT></HTML>   --part1_f5.2b42240d.2bb51245_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ help! From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:02:04 EST     --part1_22.381a7543.2bb5152c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hello,   Perhaps your church needs to get a second and third opinion concerning your organ situation. It sounds as if the Rodgers people are trying to make their digital stereo sound more prominent than the pipe ranks. Just an observation. By the way, do you have a written contract for =   this work being done? Good luck.   Daniel Port Orange, Florida   --part1_22.381a7543.2bb5152c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D3 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Tw Cen MT" LANG=3D3D"0">Hello,<BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Perhaps your church needs to get a = sec=3D ond and third opinion concerning your organ situation. It sounds as if the = R=3D odgers people are trying to make their digital&nbsp; stereo sound more = promi=3D nent than the pipe ranks. Just an observation. By the way, do you have a = wri=3D tten contract for this work being done? Good luck.<BR> <BR> Daniel<BR> Port Orange, Florida</FONT></HTML>   --part1_22.381a7543.2bb5152c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Grand Canyon and environs From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:45:24 -0600   Glenda,   Check with the Bigelow Organ Co. They're not far from SLC. I think the owner's name is Michael (someone correct me if I'm wrong) and they = advertise in the TAO.     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:44 PM Subject: Grand Canyon and environs     > Rick has chosen the Grand Canyon in May for our 25th wedding anniversary > trip, which has been a bear to plan. However, as a perk we are flying > out of Salt Lake City, and I am returning in June to SLC for the AGO > regional convention. > > Other than in that fair city, are there any must see organs in the > Phoenix/Flagstaff/Page/Bryce Canyon/Provo areas? > > And for others who have been out there or are familiar with that area of > Arizona and Utah, what gas/oil stations are most prevalent out there, so > that I may procure a back-up credit card for emergencies? > > Thank thee, > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Organ help! From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 23:42:36 -0600   Rob,   The "professionals" are trying to make the Kilgen sound so bad that the powers at your church will feel they have no choice but to replace the entire organ. Rogers then comes to the rescue. Stop them by all means = and get some real help. Where in the midwest are you?     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob McGregor" <e1afoxtrot@hotmail.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: Organ help!     > Hello everyone, > > I'm new to the group I'm a 19 yr old male organist in the midwest. > > I have a problem! I've recently come to a church where they are = eventually > wanting to hire me once their current organist retires. I've only been here > for about 2 months. > > They have a nice Kilgan organ however before I arrived both consoles = were > destroyed by a lightning strike. They hired Rogers Organ to come in to > install a digital organ with digital ranks, and also serve to control = the > Kilgan pipes. > > The Rodgers "professionals" have decided to do several things. I am only 19 > yrs old and still have alot to learn but...somethings they have done = seem a > bit sketchy. They have gotten rid of their blower they had before, and > installed 2 smaller blowers, and placed them in the pipe chamber (which has > caused a lot of noise to reverberate in this large cathedral.) They have > also lowered the wind pressure from the 5 inches that were in the Kilgan > specs and also that the pipes were voiced at. From what I understand = about > windpressure pipes are voiced at a certain wind pressure and when they = are > lowered from that wind pressure it can cause many problems. They have = also > disconnected a pipe that they can not get to work...or have not = attempted to > try to get it to work. > > I'm just curious on what all of your thoughts are on this, and what I should > do in this situation. The organist they have now knows NOTHING about organs, > and neither do the priests. Im afriad that these Rodgers "professionals" are > just using this as an opportunity to do whatever they want, and to make > their Digital organ sound good, while sacrificing the pipe organ in the > process. > > Any comments or help any of you could profide would be greatly appreciated, > > Thank you! > R. McGregor > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/virus > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >