PipeChat Digest #3584 - Monday, March 31, 2003
 
Re: Rodgers-Kilgen Controversy explained...
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Rodgers-Kilgen Controversy explained...
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: composition of Swell mixture
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Rodgers-Kilgen Controversy explained...
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
RE.; KILGEN/RODGERS CONTRAVERSY
  by "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
RE.; KILGEN/RODGERS CONTRAVERSY
  by "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
Re: composition of Swell mixture
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Rodgers-Kilgen Controversy explained...
  by "Rob McGregor" <e1afoxtrot@hotmail.com>
Dropping the KILGEN subject
  by "Rob McGregor" <e1afoxtrot@hotmail.com>
Re: Rodgers-Kilgen Controversy explained...
  by "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com>
RE: Dropping the KILGEN subject
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Preparing a stop
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
SHE'S BACK!!
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: SHE'S BACK!!
  by <Chicaleee@aol.com>
Dave Wickerham Plays Rochester Wurlitzer on April 12 (cross-posted)
  by "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com>
Hector, 50 years of concerts & the Roland AT90-S.
  by <Wuxuzusu@aol.com>
Re: SHE'S BACK!!
  by "William Morton" <wjmwjm@asisna.com>
Re: composition of Swell mixture
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers-Kilgen Controversy explained... From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:02:50 EST     --part1_37.36728aad.2bb9886a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   I have been known to sell that crap---but i have seen delightful Kilgens ruined by so called Professional Rodgers & Allen/Moller people.   Calling the factory would not bring a fully truthful answer now would = it...   dale   --part1_37.36728aad.2bb9886a_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"=3D Georgia Ref" LANG=3D3D"0">I have been known to sell that crap---but i have = see=3D n delightful Kilgens ruined by so called Professional Rodgers &amp; = Allen/Mo=3D ller people.<BR> <BR> Calling the factory would not bring a fully truthful answer now would = it...<=3D BR> <BR> dale</FONT></HTML>   --part1_37.36728aad.2bb9886a_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers-Kilgen Controversy explained... From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:31:41 EST   Note to self: Respected pipe organ professional can also own electronic dealership.  
(back) Subject: Re: composition of Swell mixture From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:47:45 EST   Why all the very low-pitched, five-rank mixtures? Is the room = absolutely clinically dead, with every surface padded, upholstered, and carpeted? In particular, that Swell mixture might cause all kinds of drawing and = fighting, and might not even SOUND like a mixture in context. It is really neither a =   mixture nor a progression harmonique, neither fish nor fowl. It is also difficult to judge without the compositions of the other mixtures -- and remember that five-rank mixtures will give you some = gritty, quint-laden breaks in the middle of hymn territory, as well as = contrapuntal writing. I also am assuming that the 2' Doublette and 1-1/3' Quint in the Chair =   deparment will actually be flutes, and that the nomenclature chosen is = merely an oversight. The principal-scaled Doublette will disrupt the formation of =   the Cornet Decompose, and the principal quint will stick out sorely, and = not fit into the mutation series, either.   Just some thoughts. Seb  
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers-Kilgen Controversy explained... From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:18:11 -0800   Um ... when pigs become aerodynamic? (chuckle)   Cheers,   Bud   TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > > Note to self: > Respected pipe organ professional can also own electronic dealership. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE.; KILGEN/RODGERS CONTRAVERSY From: "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:22:51 -0800 (PST)   Several years ago, I was called to a church which had bought one of those rodgers pipe/digital affairs, and the dealer, which advertised itself as "experts" in organ design and construction.   This was a two-manual instrument with about four ranks of pipes. There was a switch which could turn off the pipes and those stops would become "digital", and it was a good thing it was there. The "experts" who sold this thing (for $65,000) didn't have the foggiest notion of how to tune these pipes, so they just put them on the chest and left. You should have heard them. There was a 12-note repearing mixture.   I was told that Rodgers had purchased the files and had the scales of the =C6olian-Skinner Organ Company, and the pipework was an exact copy of =C6olian-Skinner's work. As a former voicer and tonal finisher for =C6olian-Skinner, I can assure you that this pipework was nothing remotely similar to anything I ever saw at =C6olian-Skinner.   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE.; KILGEN/RODGERS CONTRAVERSY From: "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 07:50:36 -0800 (PST)   Several years ago, I was called to a church which had bought one of those Rodgers pipe/digital affairs, and the dealer advertised himself as an "expert" in organ design and construction.   This was a two-manual instrument with about four ranks of pipes. There was a switch which could turn off the pipes and those stops would become "digital", and it was a good thing it was there. The "experts" who sold this thing (for $65,000) didn't have the foggiest notion of how to tune these pipes, so they just put them on the chest and left. You should have heard them. There was a 12-note repeating mixture that gave me the impression of someone taking a hot ice pick and running it up and down my back. These pipes had been there for three years and had never been used.   I was told that Rodgers had purchased the files and had the scales of the =C6olian-Skinner Organ Company, and that the pipework was an exact copy of =C6olian-Skinner's work. As a former voicer and tonal finisher for =C6olian-Skinner, I can assure you that this pipework was nothing remotely similar to anything I ever saw at =C6olian-Skinner.   As far as scales are concerned, there are no secrets here. I wouldn't give anyone a dime for scales. Anyone with half a brain and a 69=A2 ruler can measure the pipes and determine what the scale is, and the halving ratio. Any voicer who is any good at all can LOOK at a pipe and tell what the mouthwidth is. As far as cupups are concerned, a proportional divider can be used to find out EXACTLY what the cutup is.   The older I get the more amazed I am to read reams of "expert" opinions from people who dont know straight up from sideways. People who are always expounding on the subject are the ones who know the least about it.   Another incident with these pipe/digital "experts" came when I was giving a lecture/demonstration on tuning procedures to the Piano Technicians Guild at the local Rodgers dealership. They had set up in their showroom a 2-manual Rodgers with three ranks of pipes. No one there had any idea how to tune them, so during the lecture, I tuned all three of them. The Rodgers "experts" were standing right behind me watching. One of them exclaimed that it would take him an hour to tune one of the small pipes that took me about two seconds to tune. Thank God it didn't have a mixture.   There's a little more to organ design than writing stop names down on a piece of paper. If you want to hear something from someone who really knows something about organs, find someone who really knows and builds good pipe organs.   Electronic dealerships? Forget it.   D. Keith Morgan   __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: composition of Swell mixture From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:31:59 EST     --part1_1da.67622a4.2bb9c77f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Bud:   With a low pitched mixture like you propose, you don't need five breaks, or doubled pitches. Larry Phelps eliminated these doubled pitches on the new mixtures installed at Mother Church Boston. Your idea may work out better as a V to a IV to a three at the top. I would say three breaks max on this type of mixture. Motab organ in SLC had some mixtures like this that Alex. Schreiner used to show off that could sound reasonably well with out the unison and octave Principals. These are very similar to the Cavaille Coll examples only he sometimes started them at 4'. It all depends on accoustics, desired sound and use. You want to eliminate the sub nasards in the upper register for obvious reasons, they create confusion in the contrapuntal clarity. You really don't need or want duplicate pitches at the unison or octave as these create tuning problems as Phelps later discovered.   Having said all this, let your builder compose the mixtures. He'll know immediately how you want this stop to function and compose it correctly for your use.   Ron Severin   --part1_1da.67622a4.2bb9c77f_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hi Bud:<BR> <BR> With a low pitched mixture like you propose, you don't need<BR> five breaks, or doubled pitches. Larry Phelps eliminated these<BR> doubled pitches on the new mixtures installed at Mother Church<BR> Boston. Your idea may work out better as a V to a IV to a three<BR> at the top. I would say three breaks max on this type of mixture.<BR> Motab organ in SLC had some mixtures like this that Alex.<BR> Schreiner used to show off that could sound reasonably well<BR> with out the unison and octave Principals. These are very<BR> similar to the Cavaille Coll examples only he sometimes started<BR> them at 4'. It all depends on accoustics, desired sound and use.<BR> You want to eliminate the sub nasards in the upper register for<BR> obvious reasons, they create confusion in the contrapuntal clarity.<BR> You really don't need or want duplicate pitches at the unison or <BR> octave as these create tuning problems as Phelps later discovered.<BR> <BR> Having said all this, let your builder compose the mixtures. He'll<BR> know immediately how you want this stop to function and compose<BR> it correctly for your use.<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1da.67622a4.2bb9c77f_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers-Kilgen Controversy explained... From: "Rob McGregor" <e1afoxtrot@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:37:22 -0600   What an interesting email.   Obviously you didn't read my original post.   I told everyone I was 19 yrs old. I also told everyone that I was NOT the organist there YET. (I now have no desire to be, and have moved on, as stated in a previous post.)   <The kid is not associated with >the Cathedral-the priests and the organists(plural) there have high = praise >for the pipe/digital update which is almost complete>   I AM associated with the Cathedral because I'm a member there. (But I'm = glad you know more about the situation than I do <sarcasm>) NOw...as for the priests and organists (plural) I never said they didn't have high praise = for the pipe/digital organ. However my original concern was...and still is...that the pipe organ is restored properly. And one other thing I might =   mention. NO ONE knows anything about pipe organs there at this church. The =   clergy knows nothing, and even the ORGANIST who has been there for FIFTY years obviously knows very little about organ, at least about the workings =   of it. She didn't even know the correct number of ranks the organ had.   Also keep in mind... I have never said anything bad about Rodgers and I = too in fact like the digital organ they have installed (this was at no time mentioned as any concern of mine.) It sounds good...especially in the acoustical environment that they have at the church. My ONE and ONLY = concern has always been the Kilgen and that it be restored properly. Disconnecting = a pipe or two because they cant get them to work is unacceptable in my book. =   Especially when its a solo stop. Or lowering the wind pressure without = doing any revoicing on the pipes is also unacceptable to me if it was substantially lowered.   <Basically he has no clue about the organ or about the project. This is = not a good historic pipe organ, but an old one that has been rebuilt several times and no one even knows what the original wind pressure was.>   You are correct I do not know much about the history of the organ because I've only been here for about 3 months now..AS WAS STATED IN MY ORIGINAL POST. It is incorrect that they do not know what the original wind = pressure was. The head of the project told me the Kilgen organ had been on 5 inches =   of wind pressure (as were written in the Kilgen specs)And...it seems that anyone who knows anyhting about Kilgen organs would know it would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 inches because in some of the responses = I got from this list from organbuilders acknowledged that fact.   <The dealer for this area is a respected pipe organ maintenance = company-they know a lot more about pipe organ than the person writing the original complaint.>   I never made any comments about the credibility , or reputation of this organ maintenance company, nor have I identified it. But aside from this situation. TO say someone is respected is in reality really an opinion. Respected by who? Maybe those who like digital organs...what about PIPE organ enthusiasts would those people respect a digital dealer? Perhaps = not? Just some food for thought.   <Taking things out of context>   I'm sorry sir but the only one who seems to have taken things out of = context is yourself. YOu obviously havent read my original post and I urge you to read it before you try to comment anymore on this situation, or accuse me = of saying or doing anything.   I hope this email clears up some matters. R.M   >From: Quentsmith@aol.com >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: Rodgers-Kilgen Controversy explained... >Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 23:54:06 EST > >I am associated with a local Rodgers dealer and took the time to find out >what was actually going on with this subject. A lot of the PipeChat >responses >to this 19 year old were vitriolic, damning Rodgers for things that are >apparently not TRUE! I contacted the factory at Rodgers and got this >response: The local dealer will answer him. The kid is not associated = with >the Cathedral-the priests and the organists(plural) there have high praise >for the pipe/digital update which is almost complete. Basically he has no >clue about the organ or about the project. This is not a good historic = pipe >organ, but an old one that has been rebuilt several times and no one even >knows what the original wind pressure was. The dealer for this area is a >respected pipe organ maintenance company-they know a lot more about pipe >organ than the person writing the original complaint. This should clarify >things. Taking things out of context or complaining about things that by >necessity need investigation should be couched until all the information >comes in. Experts are already on the job, I suspect someone is itching = for >a >fight. My opinion on that issue entirely. I hope this elucidates everyone >that was curious about this from the beginning and those that suspected >that >things were not what they first appeared to be. Quentin Smith     _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail    
(back) Subject: Dropping the KILGEN subject From: "Rob McGregor" <e1afoxtrot@hotmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:48:05 -0600         Dear group,   I appreciate everyones help in this situation. You all provided me with excellent information which confirmed my suspicions. RE: lowering of wind pressure without revoicing the pipes etc as well as other issues   However as I stated in a previous email I said I would no longer stay at this church. They have decided to do what they are going to do and I have = to respect their decision even though I do not agree with it.   I would suggest that we drop the Kilgen topic as any future conversations = in regard to this topic would be futile. All it seems to be doing now is causing problems between members of this group. It has also produced some harsh emails against certain people. We aren't in the best of times now, with the country at war. We have bigger issues to worry about. We should = all unite instead of attacking each other. After all we are here for the same purpose right?   Thanks again for all of your help, I hope in the future I may be of equal =   help to all of you.   R.M.     _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail    
(back) Subject: Re: Rodgers-Kilgen Controversy explained... From: "Stanley Lowkis" <nstarfil@attbi.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:14:51 -0500       TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > > Note to self: > Respected pipe organ professional can also own electronic dealership. >   True, in certain cases: Example Walt Strony.   Stan    
(back) Subject: RE: Dropping the KILGEN subject From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 13:22:17 -0500   And at this point we'll never know the name of the parish or it's location since you obviously want to protect the innocent....   but I have just one question.... How do you know the original was built by Kilgen, are there factory markings there? I grew up playing a Kilgen that had been rebuilt 35 years after = installation by a hack who represented Moller, it was releathered by a local man and later rebuilt again by Bedient. Originally it was three manuals and now I believe it is only 2. Where is the public outcry to save (return) the Cathedral organ back to it's original splendor and glory. I'm sure there are members of this list who know the organ I'm talking about -- I know it hasn't been digitized yet (of course I haven't seen it in almost 25 = years). The church was completely redone in the late 80's early 90's. It was a Cathedral at construction became a Co-Cathedral in the mid/late 50's.   BTW - the church I speak of is in St. Joseph, Missouri. I grew up playing that old beast of an organ (my first) and gradually moved on to bigger and better things (Wurlitzer's).   Tom Hoehn, Organist Tampa Theatre, Tampa, FL(3/12 Wurlitzer) Roaring 20's Pizza & Pipes, Ellenton, FL (substitute - 4/42 Wurlitzer) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL (4/9?- = Rodgers/Ruffati/Wicks) CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS/AGO http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Rob McGregor Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:48 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Dropping the KILGEN subject           Dear group,   I appreciate everyones help in this situation. You all provided me with excellent information which confirmed my suspicions. RE: lowering of wind pressure without revoicing the pipes etc as well as other issues   However as I stated in a previous email I said I would no longer stay at this church. They have decided to do what they are going to do and I have = to respect their decision even though I do not agree with it.   I would suggest that we drop the Kilgen topic as any future conversations = in regard to this topic would be futile. All it seems to be doing now is causing problems between members of this group. It has also produced some harsh emails against certain people. We aren't in the best of times now, with the country at war. We have bigger issues to worry about. We should = all unite instead of attacking each other. After all we are here for the same purpose right?   Thanks again for all of your help, I hope in the future I may be of equal help to all of you.   R.M.     _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org          
(back) Subject: Re: Preparing a stop From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:34:56 -0600   I don't know how common it is but over these many years I've seen numerous 'prepared stops' which were quite literally just an extra drawknob (unengraved usually) on the console - no internal prep whatsoever.   Always wondered what story the organ committee had been given.   Cheers, Russ     On Saturday, March 29, 2003, at 12:25 AM, Jeff White wrote:   > I would like to know how YOU define a "prepared stop".    
(back) Subject: SHE'S BACK!! From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:06:18 -0600   I am very sorry to have bothered you with an off-topic e-mail last night, but was very despondent. I am overwhelmed with the responses in commiseration, and thank you all. I opened the front door this morning at 6:00 and there she was!   Seems Woodell had decided to celebrate too by taking a long weekend off (Friday to Monday am), but didn't tell any of us. Here I am, a child welfare attorney, and my child has just dumped the kids off without even an emergency telephone number! However, I was too relieved to berate her - I scooped her up and brought her upstairs to show Daddy.   She has remained home today and seems content. At least she didn't show up with alcohol on her breath, or blood from a kill smeared on her face. No injuries and she was clean and neat, but she was a pound or so lighter. NO needle marks, so I don't think she was out drugging.   Thanks so much for your concern.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com        
(back) Subject: Re: SHE'S BACK!! From: <Chicaleee@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:29:41 EST     --part1_de.368d8ba6.2bba4585_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hummm. You may be celebrating the patter of little claws soon. Lee   --part1_de.368d8ba6.2bba4585_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#400040" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hummm. You may be = celebrating the p=3D atter of little claws soon.&nbsp; Lee</FONT></HTML>   --part1_de.368d8ba6.2bba4585_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Dave Wickerham Plays Rochester Wurlitzer on April 12 (cross-posted) From: "Kenneth Evans" <kevans1@rochester.rr.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:33:01 -0500   The Rochester Theater Organ Society is very pleased to announce that Dave Wickerham returns to play our 4/23 Wurlitzer at 8 PM on Saturday, April = 12. This stellar musical event takes place at the Auditorium Center, 875 East Main Street, Rochester, NY 14605. A very talented musician, a wonderful Wurlitzer and large theater acoustics combine to provide you a superb opportunity to hear a glorious example of theater pipe organ entertainment at its finest! Tickets for only $10 each are available at the door one = hour before the concert.   Much information including info. on RTOS, driving directions to the = theater from east , south and west (Lake Ontario makes it difficult to drive from the north), Dave's biography snd lots of photos may be found at http://theatreorgans.com/rochestr/ .   Please mark this on your calendar.   Submitted by: Ken Evans, RTOS Director (past-President)    
(back) Subject: Hector, 50 years of concerts & the Roland AT90-S. From: <Wuxuzusu@aol.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:58:44 -0500   Greetings: I just arrived home from experiencing Hector Olivera in concert on a = Wurlitzer theatre organ. AWESOME! Watching the Olivera magic unfold was a truly captivating = experience. It was as though I were watching an artist in the process of = painting on a canvas. I never knew what Hector was contemplating next. It = turned out awesome no matter what, however.   One highlight was when he played "I Don't Know How To Love Him" with one = hand, and "Jesu, Joy Of Mans' Desiring" with the other hand. ...and that = foot-work. WOW!   I was crushed when he announced that the night before he had played a = classical concert on a Fisk organ in the same area. He had actually played = a Beatles medley, and never told me!! Crestfallen, I resolved to never = again decide to not attend an Olivera concert just because he was on a = classical instrument.   Hector will be celebrating 50 years of concertizing this coming April = 25-29 in Massillon, OH. Big doings! Check his website for details. He = will, I warn you, be performing on a Roland AT90-S.   An electronic, you ask?? Who'd want to hear an electronic "toaster?" Well, = I would, for one. It ain't your grandfather's Wurlitzer, and it isn't a = classical set of pipes, either. Yet, it does make good music; it makes = great music when Hector is pushing the keys. I gave the Roland a sporting = chance after Hector's Wurlitzer concert last Saturday by purchasing one of = his electronic CDs. When I stopped expecting to hear a pipe organ, I = started to appreciate the musical sounds I did hear. As opposed to an = Allen or a Walker whose claims to fame border on the "Is it a real pipe = organ yet?, the Roland on the CD I bought had new, different, and exciting = musical sounds.   No, I've not been hired by Rodgers to accompany Hector on his spreading = the electronic word. I simply gave the new medium a fair hearing.   No flame suit needed, just my opinion given above - an opinion that seems = to be moving towards acceptance of this new musical type.   Musically, (in another electronic media) Stan Krider      
(back) Subject: Re: SHE'S BACK!! From: "William Morton" <wjmwjm@asisna.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:34:08 -0800   At 07:06 PM 3/31/2003 -0600, you wrote: Glenda--good news. Glad she's returned!   --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus]    
(back) Subject: Re: composition of Swell mixture From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:57:01 -0600   ----- Original Message ----- From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:31 AM Subject: Re: composition of Swell mixture     > Hi Bud: > > With a low pitched mixture like you propose, you don't need > five breaks, or doubled pitches.   I would certainly try to avoid doubled pitches, since -- as Sebastian = Gluck also points out -- these are very prone to cause the pipes to draw and = cause enormous tuning difficulties. In many cases a four rank (or six rank) mixture will be better than a five (or three) rank, since it is easier to balance the quints and unisons. You might therefore like to consider reducing the mixtures from five ranks to four as a means of eliminating = the doubled ranks.   So far as the low pitches are concerned, however, I am in complete = agreement with Bud. In the last few years we have progressed a long way beyond = Larry Phelps, and high pitched mixtures are rapidly going out of fashion. You might even consider going further and making the mixtures out of common metal to deaden the harmonics.   John Speller