PipeChat Digest #3648 - Saturday, May 3, 2003
 
Re: PipeChat IRC - WAS:Re: Other Pipe Organ Shows
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat IRC - WAS:Re: Other Pipe Organ Shows
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Hello All!
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Re: Hello All!
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Re: Hello All! Temperments & Baroque Music
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat IRC - WAS:Re: Other Pipe Organ Shows From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 21:17:46 EDT     --part1_16f.1e0dc7e3.2be472ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   The Perth, Australia Theatre Pipe Organ Program is every Friday evening at =   10p EDT. Best, Craig J.   --part1_16f.1e0dc7e3.2be472ba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000080" SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D =3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial Cyr" LANG=3D3D"0"><B>The Perth, Australia = Theatre=3D Pipe Organ Program is every Friday evening at 10p EDT.<BR> Best,<BR> Craig J.</B></FONT></HTML>   --part1_16f.1e0dc7e3.2be472ba_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat IRC - WAS:Re: Other Pipe Organ Shows From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:19:10 -0500   >Hello Again: >The Perth Australia Theatre Pipe Organ program is on Saturday from >10-11a their time which I haven't figured out would be eastern time >USA. >This is a fine theatre pipe organ program if one of our down under >friends can tell us the conversation time. LOL! >Best, >Craig J.   It is at 10:00 PM EASTERN time here in the States - at least during Daylight Savings Time - otherwise it is at 9:00 PM Eastern time   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Hello All! From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 20:43:53 -0500   Meantone or Middelton is usable only up to about 3 sharps or 3 flats, regardless of who composed it. Werckmeister is like that too, that's why Bach did not compose anything beyond 3 sharps or flats as far as I know. Remember the old European trackers where the G sharp and A flat were separate keys side by side, this at least allowed playing up to about 5 sharps or flats if I remember correctly. It was awkward to play, but it worked and sounded good. Try transposing on some of these oldies, a few folks on this group have probably tried it.   Gary   ----- Original Message ----- From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 6:25 PM Subject: RE: Hello All!     > Shelley, > > I once played the Marylin Mason organ at University of Michigan. It is = a > Fisk that is built in the style of a Silberman and is tuned mean tone. = I > found that as long as I stuck to Bach and other baroque composers it was > fine. However, when I tried the final from Grande Piece Symphonique in = F > Sharp Major that I was working on at the time it sounded heinous! > Mendelssohn sonatas also worked very well on it. So as long as you = stick to > Mendelssohn and Baroque period and earlier it should be fine. > > Andrew Meagher > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Emmons, Paul > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 2:40 PM > To: 'PipeChat' > Subject: RE: Hello All! > > > Shelley Culver writes: > > >we're going to Gronigen to see two instruments. From there we go to Cappel, > where we're staying. There's a Schnitger instrument in Cappel that we = get to > play on everyday. We're also going to see the Schnitger organs in Dedesdorf, > Grasberg, Stade, and Ludingwort. We will visit the antique organs in Norden > (built by Schnitger in 1690), in Uttum (built by an unknown > builder in the 16th century), in Rysum (builty in 1457! This is the = oldest > organ in Germany, second oldest in the world.), and in Weener (built by > Schnitger in 1709-10). We might also go to Hamburg to see the organ in = St. > Jacob's > > Shelley, are you prepared (or preparing) for the fact that Schnitger organs > (and probably many others built around that time) are tuned at least 1/2 > step sharp from what we're used to? > > I've never had the privilege of playing one, but I imagine that this > characteristic would make it a very confusing experience for awhile. = I'll > never forget the one time I tried the transposer on an Allen for a hymn = in > the middle of a service. Big mistake-- I mean, like instant train = wreck! > My fingers suddenly didn't know where to go anymore. I don't feel like ever > touching that knob again. It's easier transposing the old-fashioned = way, > deliberately with the brain. And I don't have perfect pitch, although I > did, or very nearly did, when I was your age. > > I've gotten used to the same disconnect with the carillon. Many = carillons > are not in "concert pitch" at all. But that's such a different = instrument > from the organ altogether that the experience of playing one note and > hearing another doesn't transfer very well. > > I'd be curious to know how you (and others who are familiar with such > experiences) manage to handle the confusion. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Hello All! From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 22:27:53 EDT     --part1_c9.3315566e.2be48329_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/2/2003 9:45:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gdeboer@bluemarble.net writes:     > Werckmeister is like that too, that's why Bach did not compose anything > beyond 3 sharps or flats as far as I know. >   OH? I have played some pieces in 4 sharps and 4 flats in the = OrgleBuchlein and in the major P&F's   Rick in VA   --part1_c9.3315566e.2be48329_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 5/2/20=3D 03 9:45:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gdeboer@bluemarble.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Werckmeister is like that = t=3D oo, that's why Bach did not compose anything <BR>beyond 3 sharps or flats as far as I know. <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>OH? &nbsp;I have played some pieces in 4 sharps and 4 flats in the = Orgle=3D Buchlein and in the major P&amp;F's <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_c9.3315566e.2be48329_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Hello All! Temperments & Baroque Music From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 00:15:09 EDT     --part1_1cf.8d29170.2be49c4d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Hi Ryan:   Try out some of the temperments on Java Tuner. The baroque organs were tuned to quarter comma, fifth comma, and sixth comma meantone. Bach's music was composed using organs tuned this way. Well temper sounds even better. You can have hours of fun trying them all.   <A = HREF=3D"http://pages.globetrotter.net/roule/accord.htm">http://pages.globet= rotter.net/roule/accord.htm</A>   It does make a difference in the overall sound of these pieces. There are several digital organ companies that provide a variety of them. I retuned our church organ to tartini/valotti. The music soars without the conflict of out of tune thirds and sixths. All keys are playable. Small unit organs benefit greatly from this temperment as the derived mutations don't scream out of tune. The overall effect is much smoother and cohesive. T/V is a well temper. Have fun trying them all.   Ron Severin   --part1_1cf.8d29170.2be49c4d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Hi Ryan:<BR> <BR> Try out some of the temperments on Java Tuner. The baroque<BR> organs were tuned to quarter comma, fifth comma, and sixth<BR> comma meantone. Bach's music was composed using organs<BR> tuned this way. Well temper sounds even better. You can have<BR> hours of fun trying them all.<BR> <BR> <A = HREF=3D3D"http://pages.globetrotter.net/roule/accord.htm">http://pages.glob= =3D etrotter.net/roule/accord.htm</A><BR> <BR> It does make a difference in the overall sound of these pieces.<BR> There are several digital organ companies that provide a variety<BR> of them. I retuned our church organ to tartini/valotti. The music<BR> soars without the conflict of out of tune thirds and sixths.<BR> All keys are playable. Small unit organs benefit greatly<BR> from this temperment as the derived mutations don't scream<BR> out of tune. The overall effect is much smoother and cohesive.<BR> T/V is a well temper. Have fun trying them all.<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1cf.8d29170.2be49c4d_boundary--