PipeChat Digest #3649 - Sunday, May 4, 2003
 
Re: Different pitches (Was: Hello All!)
  by "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
correction to the Exsultet
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Hello All! Temperments & Baroque Music
  by "Ryan C. Lander" <landerr@infoblvd.net>
Re: Hello All! Temperments & Baroque Music
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
We're a few minutes late
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Different pitches (Was: Hello All!) From: "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 22:31:50 -0400     On Fri, 02 May 2003 08:59:22 -0700 Del Case <dcase@puc.edu> writes: > It would be my suspicion that the piece sounded warmer because of > the well-tempered tuning of the instrument. >   > I assume that by well-tempered you are NOT talking about equal > temperament, > a distinction that many are still not aware of. > > Del W. Case > Pacific Union College     Your assumption is correst.   Jim  
(back) Subject: correction to the Exsultet From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 09:08:15 -0700   I discovered when we went to practice it that I'd omitted the line "which did spoil the people of Egypt", which SHOULD be measure 112 on page 14. If anybody wants/needs the correction, let me know.   DUH!   Cheers,   Bud    
(back) Subject: Re: Hello All! Temperments & Baroque Music From: "Ryan C. Lander" <landerr@infoblvd.net> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 13:09:22 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0037_01C31175.36E97060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Hey- I tried the page with the sounds. Some of these sound awful ! =3D lol... Like the whole thing is out of tune. I guess Im just used to = =3D equal tuning, and my ears are sensitive to the off-pitch tunings... or =3D whatever they are... I think Ill stick to equal tuning....   Ryan   ----- Original Message -----=3D20 From: RonSeverin@aol.com=3D20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2003 12:15 AM Subject: Re: Hello All! Temperments & Baroque Music     Hi Ryan:   Try out some of the temperments on Java Tuner. The baroque organs were tuned to quarter comma, fifth comma, and sixth comma meantone. Bach's music was composed using organs tuned this way. Well temper sounds even better. You can have hours of fun trying them all.   http://pages.globetrotter.net/roule/accord.htm   It does make a difference in the overall sound of these pieces. There are several digital organ companies that provide a variety of them. I retuned our church organ to tartini/valotti. The music soars without the conflict of out of tune thirds and sixths. All keys are playable. Small unit organs benefit greatly from this temperment as the derived mutations don't scream out of tune. The overall effect is much smoother and cohesive. T/V is a well temper. Have fun trying them all.   Ron Severin=3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0037_01C31175.36E97060 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Hey-&nbsp; I tried the page with the = =3D sounds.&nbsp;=3D20 Some of these sound awful !&nbsp; lol...&nbsp;&nbsp; Like the whole =3D thing is out=3D20 of tune.&nbsp;&nbsp; I guess Im just used to equal tuning, and my ears =3D are=3D20 sensitive to the off-pitch tunings... or whatever they =3D are...&nbsp;&nbsp; I=3D20 think Ill stick to equal tuning....</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Ryan</FONT></DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =3D BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV> <DIV=3D20 style=3D3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =3D black"><B>From:</B>=3D20 <A title=3D3DRonSeverin@aol.com=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:RonSeverin@aol.com">RonSeverin@aol.com</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =3D title=3D3Dpipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> </DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, May 03, 2003 = =3D 12:15=3D20 AM</DIV> <DIV style=3D3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Hello All! =3D Temperments &amp;=3D20 Baroque Music</DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D3D0 =3D face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2=3D20 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF">Hi Ryan:<BR><BR>Try out some of the temperments = =3D on Java=3D20 Tuner. The baroque<BR>organs were tuned to quarter comma, fifth comma, = =3D and=3D20 sixth<BR>comma meantone. Bach's music was composed using =3D organs<BR>tuned this=3D20 way. Well temper sounds even better. You can have<BR>hours of fun =3D trying them=3D20 all.<BR><BR><A=3D20 =3D href=3D3D"http://pages.globetrotter.net/roule/accord.htm">http://pages.glob= =3D etrotter.net/roule/accord.htm</A><BR><BR>It=3D20 does make a difference in the overall sound of these pieces.<BR>There = =3D are=3D20 several digital organ companies that provide a variety<BR>of them. I =3D retuned=3D20 our church organ to tartini/valotti. The music<BR>soars without the =3D conflict=3D20 of out of tune thirds and sixths.<BR>All keys are playable. Small unit = =3D organs=3D20 benefit greatly<BR>from this temperment as the derived mutations don't = =3D   scream<BR>out of tune. The overall effect is much smoother and=3D20 cohesive.<BR>T/V is a well temper. Have fun trying them =3D all.<BR><BR>Ron=3D20 Severin</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0037_01C31175.36E97060--    
(back) Subject: Re: Hello All! Temperments & Baroque Music From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 23:43:45 EDT     --part1_191.192520a0.2be5e671_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/3/03 1:10:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, landerr@infoblvd.net writes:     > Hey- I tried the page with the sounds. Some of these sound awful ! = lol... > Like the whole thing is out of tune. I guess Im just used to equal > tuning, and my ears are sensitive to the off-pitch tunings... or = whatever > they are... I think Ill stick to equal tuning.... >   It's very important to give yourself time to get used to the difference in =   unequal temperament. This includes exposing your ears to various systems = of unequal tuning. I have discovered in my listening that it is critical = that sound experiments must be experienced LIVE... i.e., from PIPES. I have = CDs of organs in unequal temperament that I do not enjoy as much as when I = heard these organs live. It does make a difference. I've never heard = unequal temperament on a digital that I enjoyed listening to; come to think of it, = I don't enjoy equal temperament on a digital either!! ;-)   Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502     --part1_191.192520a0.2be5e671_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 5/3/03=3D 1:10:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, landerr@infoblvd.net writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hey- &nbsp;I tried the = page=3D with the sounds. &nbsp;Some of these sound awful ! &nbsp;lol... = &nbsp;&nbsp=3D ;Like the whole thing is out of tune. &nbsp;&nbsp;I guess Im just used to = eq=3D ual tuning, and my ears are sensitive to the off-pitch tunings... or = whateve=3D r they are... &nbsp;&nbsp;I think Ill stick to equal tuning.... <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>It's very important to give yourself time to get used to the = difference=3D20=3D in unequal temperament. &nbsp;This includes exposing your ears to various = sy=3D stems of unequal tuning. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I have discovered in my = listening=3D that it is critical that sound experiments must be experienced LIVE... = i.e.=3D , from PIPES. &nbsp;&nbsp;I have CDs of organs in unequal temperament that = I=3D do not enjoy as much as when I heard these organs live. = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I=3D t does make a difference. &nbsp;&nbsp;I've never heard unequal temperament = o=3D n a digital that I enjoyed listening to; come to think of it, I don't = enjoy=3D20=3D equal temperament on a digital either!! &nbsp;;-) <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_191.192520a0.2be5e671_boundary--  
(back) Subject: We're a few minutes late From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 00:19:17 EDT     --part1_1ce.8e2d777.2be5eec5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   on the East Coast, but nevertheless, Happy Birthday, Virgil!   --part1_1ce.8e2d777.2be5eec5_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">on the East Coast, but nevertheless,<BR> Happy Birthday, Virgil!</FONT></HTML>   --part1_1ce.8e2d777.2be5eec5_boundary--