PipeChat Digest #3650 - Sunday, May 4, 2003
 
Posing a question
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
Re: Posing a question
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Temperaments
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Re: tracker extension
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Hello to everybody
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE.: LUDWIGTONE
  by "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com>
RE: Hello All!
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: RE.: LUDWIGTONE
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: Hello All!
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: Temperaments
  by "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk>
Of Ludwigtones, Undulants, and Double Mouths
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Hello All!
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Temperaments
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Hello All!
  by "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net>
Bach and Meantone
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Telephone Dialtones:  440 or not?
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Telephone Dialtones:  440 or not?
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
RE: Telephone Dialtones:  440 or not?
  by "Shelley Culver" <sec_oboe2002@excite.com>
Re: RE.: LUDWIGTONE
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: RE.: LUDWIGTONE
  by "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: Bach and Meantone
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
 

(back) Subject: Posing a question From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 07:22:38 -0400   There is a lovely gem of a pipe organ here in Worcester, a 1928 Casavant-Freres 3 manual with 33 ranks and 29 stops. It is in the rear balcony of a very large sanctuary space with excellent acoustics, divided case with the console in the middle front of a large balcony. The organ has EP action with ventil chests. Maintenance work has been ongoing. And the organ is in good condition, except for the original and very limited combination stop action. This combination action is contained in a box inside the console and operates pneumatically. There are 3 toe-set Generals and a Grand Jeu, plus between 2 & 4 general pistons per manual. Four for the Recit (Swell), 3 on the Great, and 2 each for the Positif (Choir) and Pedale. The console is bat-wing with drawknobs, and the coupler tabs are above the Swell manual, including Octave and Grave couplers for the 3 divisions. We are looking for viable options in repairing/replacing the combination action while maintaining the originality and integrity of this instrument, which has never been altered, with the single exception of the Great Trumpet which was replaced with new pipes about 30 years ago. This pipe organ is used in an occasional concert besides being played for two weekend Masses plus funerals and weddings on a regular basis.   Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: Re: Posing a question From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 09:13:15 EDT     --part1_aa.1c5f8344.2be66beb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/4/2003 7:27:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 71431.2534@compuserve.com writes:     > We are looking for viable options in repairing/replacing the combination > action while maintaining the originality and integrity of this = instrument, > which has never been altered, with the single exception of the Great > Trumpet which was replaced with new pipes about 30 years ago. > This pipe organ is used in an occasional concert besides being played = for > two >   First, you could contact Casavant and find out IF there are any available parts to rebuild the system as it now stands.   My preference would be to upgrade the system to a multi-level solid-state system. While this does not entirely preserve the mechanical system, it = does provide for a larger number of possible combinations, and could be done in =   such a manner as it would not change the appearance of the console OR = alter the tonal composition of the organ, which is where the real integrity of = the organ is. If you don't want the extra control knobs/displays to show, the could be conveniently located in a drawer under the keysill out of view, = but convenient enough for access by the player(s).   Cost of rebuilding the existing system could also prove to be pretty significant, and may be a case that your local organ tech could find out = that the job of rebuilding turns out to be more complicated than just replacing = a few worn parts and recovering some book pneumatics. Sometimes this doen = not become evident untill the job is well under way.   just some thoughts.   Rick in VA   --part1_aa.1c5f8344.2be66beb_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 5/4/20=3D 03 7:27:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 71431.2534@compuserve.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">We are looking for viable = o=3D ptions in repairing/replacing the combination <BR>action while maintaining the originality and integrity of this = instrumen=3D t, <BR>which has never been altered, with the single exception of the Great <BR>Trumpet which was replaced with new pipes about 30 years ago. <BR>This pipe organ is used in an occasional concert besides being played = fo=3D r <BR>two <BR></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR>First, you could contact Casavant and find out IF there are any = availabl=3D e parts to rebuild the system as it now stands. &nbsp; <BR> <BR>My preference would be to upgrade the system to a multi-level = solid-stat=3D e system. While this does not entirely preserve the mechanical system, it = do=3D es provide for a larger number of possible combinations, and could be done = i=3D n such a manner as it would not change the appearance of the console OR = alte=3D r the tonal composition of the organ, which is where the real integrity of = t=3D he organ is. If you don't want the extra control knobs/displays to show, = the=3D could be conveniently located in a drawer under the keysill out of view, = bu=3D t convenient enough for access by the player(s). <BR> <BR>Cost of rebuilding the existing system could also prove to be pretty = sig=3D nificant, and may be a case that your local organ tech could find out that = t=3D he job of rebuilding turns out to be more complicated than just replacing = a=3D20=3D few worn parts and recovering some book pneumatics. Sometimes this doen = not=3D20=3D become evident untill the job is well under way.=3D20 <BR> <BR>just some thoughts. <BR> <BR>Rick in VA</FONT></HTML>   --part1_aa.1c5f8344.2be66beb_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Temperaments From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 14:58:45 -0400   Hi. Loved the web page with the applet that played pitches and chords in different temperaments. I found that the most pleasing to my ear for really distant keys was the pythagore, while the good old equal (which I assume to mean "well" as in Bach's Well-tempered Klavier) seemed = consistent around the circle of 5ths. I was interested to discover on that page that =   telephone dial tones are built around A=3D440! Now if I forget my tuning =   fork I can just pick up the phone! Another discovery; I really don't = know what "comma" means in this context. Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks.   David Baker    
(back) Subject: Re: tracker extension From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 20:15:00 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   Schulze was using pedal extensions back in the late 19th century.   At Doncaster Parish Church, the fifth manual was derived from stops contained in the Swell Box, plus one seperate rank.   This would be achieved by the use of a completely seperate mechanical action on the Swell soundboard.   What a terrible expense for so little!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer  
(back) Subject: Re: Hello to everybody From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 20:24:32 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   Hello David!   I seem to know the organ you play.....I used to tune it when I was about 15 years of age. Do the bells still work?   Whatever happened to the Conacher theatre organ at the Scala in Rotherham I wonder? That was a fine sounding instrument.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell (Keighley) UK --- Austin David <david.austin@kone.com> wrote: > Hello, I'm new to Pipechat. > > I am organist at a church in my local town in the > north of England, where > there is a modified Peter Conacher ex-cinema organ     __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer  
(back) Subject: RE.: LUDWIGTONE From: "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 14:10:29 -0700 (PDT)   I've seen only one example of a Ludwigtone which was in an old Voetteler-Holtkamp-Sparling organ near Chicago.   It is my understanding that the design of the Ludwigtone pipe was thought up by a monk named Brother Ludwig who was in residence at a monastery in which an organ was being installed in the chapel by Walter Holtkamp, Sr., who took those plans and built a rank of pipes which he called Ludwigtone, in honor of the monk who gave him the original idea.   The Ludwigtone is a wooden pipe, having two mouths like a Doppelfl=F6te, but with a partition in the middle making it in reality two pipes. One side is tuned ever so slightly sharp, and the other side is tuned flat to the unison making a very delicate flute celeste.   These pipes would be quite expensive to build, which is probably the reason that no one else copied them, and Holtkamp no longer builds them.   If anyone should come across an old Holtkamp organ being scrapped or "improved", they would really have a prize if they rescued an old Ludwigtone.   D. Keith Morgan   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Hello All! From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 17:11:02 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0015_01C31260.24EF78A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Bach composed on Prelude and fugue in F Minor. That is the only piece beyond 3 flats or sharps. Even if a piece has 3 flats or sharps of less = it still may not work on mean tone because it may have tonal centers and accidentals that don't sound in tune. You see more of this in later = music. That is why mean tone works best with baroque and earlier, but there are other things that can be played, you just have to go by the individual piece.   Andrew Meagher -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of RMaryman@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 10:28 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Hello All!     In a message dated 5/2/2003 9:45:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gdeboer@bluemarble.net writes:       Werckmeister is like that too, that's why Bach did not compose = anything beyond 3 sharps or flats as far as I know.       OH? I have played some pieces in 4 sharps and 4 flats in the OrgleBuchlein and in the major P&F's   Rick in VA   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0015_01C31260.24EF78A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Dus-ascii">     <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1170" name=3D3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D734210821-04052003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>Bach=3D20 composed on Prelude and fugue in F Minor.&nbsp; That is the only piece =3D beyond 3=3D20 flats or sharps.&nbsp; Even if a piece has 3 flats or sharps of less it = =3D still=3D20 may not work on mean tone because it may have tonal centers and =3D accidentals that=3D20 don't sound in tune.&nbsp; You see more of this in later music.&nbsp; =3D That is=3D20 why mean tone works best with baroque and earlier, but there are other =3D things=3D20 that can be played, you just have to go by the individual=3D20 piece.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D734210821-04052003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D   size=3D3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D3D734210821-04052003><FONT face=3D3DArial = color=3D3D#0000ff =3D size=3D3D2>Andrew=3D20 Meagher</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV class=3D3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3D3Dltr align=3D3Dleft><FONT =3D face=3D3DTahoma=3D20 size=3D3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =3D pipechat@pipechat.org=3D20 [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]<B>On Behalf Of=3D20 </B>RMaryman@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, May 02, 2003 10:28=3D20 PM<BR><B>To:</B> pipechat@pipechat.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Hello=3D20 All!<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT =3D size=3D3D2>In a message=3D20 dated 5/2/2003 9:45:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, =3D gdeboer@bluemarble.net=3D20 writes: <BR><BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE=3D20 style=3D3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = =3D solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"=3D20 TYPE=3D3D"CITE">Werckmeister is like that too, that's why Bach did not = =3D compose=3D20 anything <BR>beyond 3 sharps or flats as far as I know.=3D20 <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>OH? &nbsp;I have played some pieces in 4 =3D sharps and 4=3D20 flats in the OrgleBuchlein and in the major P&amp;F's <BR><BR>Rick = in=3D20 VA</FONT> </FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0015_01C31260.24EF78A0--    
(back) Subject: Re: RE.: LUDWIGTONE From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 17:25:12 -0400   Keith and List:   I played my Associateship AGO exam on the Holtkamp (since revised) at = Fairmount Presbyterian in Cleveland Heights, Ohio and was excited about finally = getting to play a Ludwigtone.   I really like celeste stops, especially the E.M Skinner Flute Celeste, = like the one I practiced in the Skinner I practiced on at Metropolitan Duane = Methodist, in NYC while the Guilmant Organ School was housed there.   The Ludwigtone, alas, was disappointing to the point that I understood = having heard it why it didn't catch on.   Now if he had invented the Lieblich Gedeckt 16' (wasn't that Schulze?) he = would be immortalized for a stop that really worked, as evidenced by the large = numbers of organists that purchase them.   I do agree with you in that if you do have a Ludwigtone, you definitely = have a conversation piece.     noel jones, aago athens, tennessee, usa ------------------------------- frog music press moderator of the rodgers organ users group at www.frogmusic.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Hello All! From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:10:42 +1200   >Bach composed on Prelude and fugue in F Minor. That is the only piece beyond 3 flats or sharps.   It is not just pieces that don't work in meantone, but pieces of pieces, I feel. I've never heard this but someone can advise me: how does the Cb at the end of "O Mensch bewein'" sound in meantone? Is that kind of peculiar accidental pleasant to listen to? How does it contrast to equal = temperament?   To me, in most circles, though clearly not all, the question of equal temperament vs anything else is just an academic one. In churches, organs need to be able to play with pianos, woodwind and other instruments that = are certainly not going to be tuned in meantone. Too, we organists have to = play all kinds of music, not just our own private prides and joys.   Further, nowadays I feel the survival of the organ at all is the issue. 40 years ago, we used to debate the wisdom of this or that school of organbuilding, whether tracker or electric action, enclosure vs = unenclosure, cases vs chambers, Rohr Flutes vs Gedackts, etc. Nowadays, I have to convince churches, and even musicians in them, that the organ should be retained in any kind of form.   There are other changes. 40 years ago, we would have had a choir of 15 and = a congregation of 70 at Evensong. Nowadays, like yesterday, there is a choir of 4 and a congregation of 14. 40 years ago, I would have played a pipe organ of probably 25 stops. The church I played at Evensong for last night has a rotten 10-year-old electroid.   Yet, having said this last, people say how much they like my music in contrast to some of the other organists. I tell them that's because I play simpler music generally, i.e. 16thC to 18thC, not 19thC-20thC, and know about registration.   Ross   Ross        
(back) Subject: RE: Temperaments From: "Stephen Barker" <steve@ststephenscanterbury.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 23:30:40 +0100   "I was interested to discover on that page that telephone dial tones are built around A=3D440! Now if I forget my tuning   fork I can just pick up the phone!"   Is that in the US or UK? I tried this and found my dialing tone in the UK to be a bit sharper at about 444... do they change around the country?! I once heard that over the years the BBC radio pips to sound the hour have gradually dropped in pitch - I can only guess that over the years the tape stretched - I doubt that's a problem in today's digital age. I think (but I may well be wrong) that they're a B flat...   Steve Canterbury, UK   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Of Ludwigtones, Undulants, and Double Mouths From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:34:03 EDT   Dear PipeChatters: If one is going to go to the trouble of cutting two mouths on a pipe = that takes up so much room, one might be better off building a Doppelflote = stop. Doppelfloten have an undeservedly bad reputation, because a few people had =   heard them in organs from the nadir of American organbuilding, and think = of them as cinema organ-like, "hooting," and unattractive. Roosevelt was considered the American master of the Doppelflote, and he was not building =   cinema organs. The Doppelflote goes way back in history, and can be made, voiced, and =   finished to give some remarkably clear, articulate tone with a = multiplicity of musical uses. As "a Gedeckt, but twice the fun," it is perfect as a continuo stop, or as the main 8' flute on a Positiv division where the standard Gedeckt or Nason Flute fails to make the grade. Such pipes = respond beautifully to the tremulant, especially if voiced and finished with = treble ascendancy, and bind beautifully with other stops at the same pitch or higher. If one is forced to plant them near other 8' stops, tune them to = a semi-distant 4' principal or a vibrant 8' string to avoid false tunings. The Ludwigtone is of limited use because I firmly believe that most organists want the artistic option of using the parent rank without the undulant. The "self-contained celeste" concept also goes against our practical knowledge of having to separate parent ranks from their = undulants to set up the proper phasing differential. If one's instrument has a Ludwigtone, it hopefully has all of the required elements of good design included beforehand, making it a pretty substantial organ. There is no such thing as "an organ stop that cannot be made any = more." It's really a question of how practical and useful they are in light of = the investment they represent.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: Hello All! From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 17:59:48 -0500   andrew meagher wrote:   > Bach composed on Prelude and fugue in F Minor. That is the only piece > beyond 3 flats or sharps. Even if a piece has 3 flats or sharps of > less it still may not work on mean tone because it may have tonal > centers and accidentals that don't sound in tune. You see more of > this in later music. That is why mean tone works best with baroque > and earlier, but there are other things that can be played, you just > have to go by the individual piece. > > Andrew Meagher > Not just Bach. Quite a few people composed pieces in F minor for organs tuned not only in "well-tempered" temperaments like Werckmeister and Kirnberger, but even in 1/4-comma meantone. Unlike most remote keys, which merely sound out of tune in meantone, F minor takes on a very interesting, plaintive character.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Temperaments From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 18:04:19 -0500   Stephen Barker wrote:   >"I was interested to discover on that page that >telephone dial tones are built around A=3D440! Now if I forget my = tuning > >fork I can just pick up the phone!" > >Is that in the US or UK? I tried this and found my dialing tone in the >UK to be a bit sharper at about 444... do they change around the >country?! I once heard that over the years the BBC radio pips to sound >the hour have gradually dropped in pitch - I can only guess that over >the years the tape stretched - I doubt that's a problem in today's >digital age. I think (but I may well be wrong) that they're a B flat... > > > It clearly doesn't work like this everywhere, as I discovered to my embarrassment a year or two ago. We were at our family's summer home on Nantucket Island and had some friends from New York visiting. Their son wished to tune his guitar to A=3D440, and I suggested using the dialtone. It turns out that the dialtone in Nantucket was considerably sharp of A=3D440, and he broke a string in the attempt to tune his guitar. I felt very bad about this.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Hello All! From: "G. Deboer" <gdeboer@bluemarble.net> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 18:37:12 -0500   Thank you John, the digi-org we play at home has as standard equipment Equal, Meantone and Werckmeister 3. Playing Pachelbel, Sweelinck, etc. in MT gives it an extra dimension, the music seems to be purer, the C major key especially comes across as = restful, thereby creating a deeper emotion. This may all seem somewhat corny, but music composed for certain temperaments sound better when played in that temperament. Try playing Bach in WM3 on an old baroque instrument (this is what Bach heard), the piece will sound radically different then on an American Romantic voiced organ in Equal temp. Would I want to see pipe-orgs being built with MT, no not really, church = or concert instruments are better when E temp is employed, at least all the literature can be played, but not all literature sounds good on them. It all depends what your ears are used to.   Gary   ----- Original Message ----- From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 5:59 PM Subject: Re: Hello All!     > andrew meagher wrote: > > > Bach composed on Prelude and fugue in F Minor. That is the only piece > > beyond 3 flats or sharps. Even if a piece has 3 flats or sharps of > > less it still may not work on mean tone because it may have tonal > > centers and accidentals that don't sound in tune. You see more of > > this in later music. That is why mean tone works best with baroque > > and earlier, but there are other things that can be played, you just > > have to go by the individual piece. > > > > Andrew Meagher > > > Not just Bach. Quite a few people composed pieces in F minor for organs > tuned not only in "well-tempered" temperaments like Werckmeister and > Kirnberger, but even in 1/4-comma meantone. Unlike most remote keys, > which merely sound out of tune in meantone, F minor takes on a very > interesting, plaintive character. > > John Speller > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Bach and Meantone From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 20:45:09 EDT   Just a couple of thoughts:   Das Wohltemperierte Klavier I Das Wohltemperierte Klavier II  
(back) Subject: Telephone Dialtones: 440 or not? From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 20:54:25 EDT   Mr. Speller's experience with a sharp Nantucket dial tone, and Stephen =   Barker's experience at A=3D444, can be traced to the influence of = conductor Serge Koussevitzky, who repitched the Boston Symphony Orchestra to 444 = during his tenure, as he liked the brilliance it lent to the massed violins in = the upper range. It is common knowledge that orchestral conductors control the = telephone industry, just as the government creates the weather -- it's just that = nobody likes to talk about it. Or am I delusional?   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: Telephone Dialtones: 440 or not? From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 20:17:49 -0500       TubaMagna@aol.com wrote, asking:   > Or am I delusional?   to which the only possible response is "No".   You are Sebastian; Delusional is someone else completely, and neither of = you is a good imitator of the other, at all.   ns    
(back) Subject: RE: Telephone Dialtones: 440 or not? From: "Shelley Culver" <sec_oboe2002@excite.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:26:48 -0400 (EDT)     >It is common knowledge that orchestral conductors control the telephone = industry, just as the government creates the weather -- it's just that = nobody likes to talk about it. Or am I delusional?   Haha! I was almost gullible enough to believe you! Our phones here are = not A 440. I wouldn't recommend tuning anything to them!   Shelley             _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!  
(back) Subject: Re: RE.: LUDWIGTONE From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 21:34:13 -0400   On 5/4/03 5:25 PM, "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> wrote:   > I do agree with you in that if you do have a Ludwigtone, you definitely = have a > conversation piece. > Well, that's true. But the same could be said of having a Fuchsschwantz = 4' (please forgive spelling). (No ribaldry intended; I'm thinking of an = actual drawknob somewhere in Germany; who can fill in the details?)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: RE.: LUDWIGTONE From: "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Sun, 4 May 2003 21:58:49 -0400     On Sun, 4 May 2003 14:10:29 -0700 (PDT) "D. Keith Morgan" <aeolian_skinner@yahoo.com> writes: > I've seen only one example of a Ludwigtone which was > in an old Voetteler-Holtkamp-Sparling organ near > Chicago.   > If anyone should come across an old Holtkamp organ > being scrapped or "improved", they would really have a > prize if they rescued an old Ludwigtone.     There is a picture of one in the OSI Catalogue. Order one, if you want one. Also, I believe Buzard makes one, or at least a variation of one.   I, too, first saw one in a VH&K. This one was in the town of Montoursville, PA, near Williamsport. (The home town of the French class killed in the Flight 800 crash).   Jim  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach and Meantone From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Sun, 04 May 2003 22:00:09 -0400   > Das Wohltemperierte Klavier I > Das Wohltemperierte Klavier II   But in the organ literature the furthest Bach goes is F Minor for home key =   signature.   Didn't know this for sure myself, had to check with James Pressler, who = has created MIDI files with musical phrasing and registration for the rodgers = Organ of the entire organ works of Bach, performances as well as copious = practice files for learning manuals and pedals with other parts playing. A major = task, took more than a year, and we now offer it on our web site ay Frog Music = Press.   As a result James knows the entire works note by note. A good person to = have on your friends list if you go on that Millionaire show and end up with a = question about the organ works of Bach.       -- noel jones, aago athens, tennessee, usa ------------------------------- frog music press moderator of the rodgers organ users group at: www.frogmusic.com