PipeChat Digest #3663 - Friday, May 9, 2003
 
Re: Who killed the Roosevelt? Some facts... (xpost)
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Felix and Glenda
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Glenda and Felix, Part 2
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Austin Couplers
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Tickets for Felix Hell in Allentown PA Sat May 10 8:00 pm
  by "Randy Morrison Morrison" <rwmorrison@comcast.net>
Robert Morton Organ
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: Robert Morton Organ
  by "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk>
Re: Who killed the Organ? Some facts... (xpost)
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Is Organbuilding closed (was: Roosevelt Closed)
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Felix Hell In Allentown. Still tickets available
  by <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de>
RE: Who killed the Organ? Some facts... (xpost)
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
RE: Felix Hell in Bloomsburg, PA
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
RE: Who killed the Roosevelt? Some facts... (xpost)
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Robert Morton Organ avaialable
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
DDE's wisdom
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Who killed the Roosevelt? Some facts... (xpost) From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 07:21:45 -0500     --------------090100090204080303010500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3Dus-ascii; format=3Dflowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   While we are all speculating about something we know nothing about.... For whatever reason the current owner does not want to keep the organ and does not appreciate the value they have - I, personally, suspect the inability to rescue it is economical. The writer clearly implies that this is not a free - come-and-get-it organ. The sale that was arranged had to be cancelled due to the downturn in the economy. And that is quite possibly why no one is jumping up to get this organ. I know that my own church is currently in the odd situation of having decided they want to try to invest in a new pipe organ, and deciding to move ahead with plans, but having to "hedge our bets" that by the time we have made the advance arrangements and are ready to begin fundraising the economy will turn around. Presently - we weren't even able to hire a trumpet player for Easter....   Since the storage boxes are already built - is there not some way that OCH or some builder could store the organ (or at least the pipework) until a some future sale could take place?   Here's a thought - maybe someone with a gift of both performance and schmoozing (Felix?) (how about Fred Swann - he's retiring - going to have time on his hands - Fred, are you out there?) could become a marketing advocate to folks like the Gates and other absurdly wealthy people. Convince them to fall in love with the organ - especially historic organs. (We already know Gates likes public radio...) What we need is someone who will do for the organ what Carnegie did for libraries. Preserve them - see that they have safe homes. At this point in time, there seem to be an awful lot of churches with organs that don't want them - but there are an awful lot more churches that want them, but can't afford to buy one right now when so many historic instruments are floating around. Sounds like a great opportunity for some philanthropist to set their name down in history - after all, those organs will probably still be around another 3 or 4 centuries properly placed and cared for....   Margo   >     --------------090100090204080303010500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3Dus-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" = content=3D"text/html;charset=3DISO-8859-1"> <title></title> </head> <body> While we are all speculating about something we know nothing about.... = &nbsp;For whatever reason the current owner does not want to keep the organ and does not appreciate the value they have - I, personally, suspect the inability to rescue it is economical. &nbsp;The writer clearly implies that this is = <u>not</u> a free - come-and-get-it organ. &nbsp;The sale that was arranged had to be = cancelled due to the downturn in the economy. &nbsp;And that is quite possibly why = no one is jumping up to get this organ. &nbsp;I know that my own church is = currently in the odd situation of having decided they want to try to invest in a new pipe organ, and deciding to move ahead with plans, but having to "hedge = our bets" that by the time we have made the advance arrangements and are ready to begin fundraising the economy will turn around. &nbsp;Presently - we = weren't even able to hire a trumpet player for Easter....<br> <br> Since the storage boxes are already built - is there not some way that OCH or some builder could store the organ (or at least the pipework) until a some future sale could take place?<br> <br> Here's a thought - maybe someone with a gift of both performance and = schmoozing (Felix?) &nbsp;(how about Fred Swann - he's retiring - going to have time = on his hands - Fred, are you out there?) &nbsp;could become a marketing advocate = to folks like the Gates and other absurdly wealthy people. &nbsp;Convince them to = fall in love with the organ - especially historic organs. &nbsp;(We already know Gates likes public radio...) &nbsp;What we need is someone who will do for the = organ what Carnegie did for libraries. &nbsp;Preserve them - see that they have = safe homes. &nbsp;At this point in time, there seem to be an awful lot of = churches with organs that don't want them - but there are an awful lot more = churches that want them, but can't afford to buy one right now when so many = historic instruments are floating around. &nbsp; Sounds like a great opportunity = for some philanthropist to set their name down in history - after all, those organs will probably still be around another 3 or 4 centuries properly placed and cared for....<br> <br> Margo<br> <blockquote type=3D"cite" cite=3D"mid5.2.0.9.0.20030508123831.026d16f0@mail.catoe.org"><br> </blockquote> <br> </body> </html>   --------------090100090204080303010500--    
(back) Subject: Felix and Glenda From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:47:42 -0400   Oh Dear,   Our whole list appears to have lost its sense of humor. I honestly = thought, Glenda, that not too long ago, you commented (and I thought it was about Abendfriede) that at last, you had come across a piece that you played better than Felix. You'll have to untangle that one for me, if you can recall the posting. And, of course, the whole thing was a JOKE. I have = heard you play only once, very briefly, at St. Peter's Lutheran in NY, and I = can't recall what it was, but it certainly was not Abendfriede. Never would I = make that kind of comparison except in humor, anyway. Sorry if you were offended - and - terribly sorry to hear about your dog.   Cheers,   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:41 AM Subject: FW: Felix Hell in Bloomsburg, PA     > OK, maybe 3 of the last 4 days of heated litigation, and the traumatic > death of my dog on Tuesday night, have me confused and touchy, but I > just didn't understand the allusion to me by Malcolm. I read it a > couple of times to try to make it funny, and failed miserably. I don't > and never have performed the Abendfriede, or much of anything else these > days. Were you punching me in the ribs, pulling my leg, or slapping my > face? Have I offended in times past? If so, I am truly sorry, > particularly if it deserved such a low, mean comment from you. > > Glenda Sutton > gksjd85@direcway.com > (leaving for the wild West early Monday morning, and playing my first > service in a year in June before heading to Mormonville a second time) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of > Malcolm Wechsler > Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:56 PM > To: Pipe Chat; Pipe Organ List > Subject: Felix Hell in Bloomsburg, PA > > inter alia: > > The Rheinberger <Abendfriede>, evening peace, was so lovely that it > probably > surpassed even those performances of our own Glenda, reports to the > contrary > notwithstanding. It ended with three chimes, surely much appreciated by > members of the church, and Rheinberger would have been pleased as well.      
(back) Subject: Glenda and Felix, Part 2 From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:24:55 -0400   Glenda Dear,   Here is the passage to which I referred. Wrong piece but the same idea to anchor my little joke, which I hope you can now see was only meant to be = in fun, not as a reflection on your playing of anything.   Glenda wrote: <<I have finally found one piece that I can play better than Felix Hell - the Adagio or Consolation No. 4. It takes gray hair, and preferably back pain (and some drowsiness from a dose of painkiller always helps), to play it properly and bring out the pathos . . . >>   Cheers,   Malcolm      
(back) Subject: Austin Couplers From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 09:32:50 -0400   List,   Before I launch into my questions - in case it might be boring to some - = I'd like to ask for responses to those who are quite familiar with the = coupler mechanisms of Vintage Austin consoles. Mine is 1926. I have = removed the coupler housings from both manuals and pedals.   I have figured out how they work both mechanically and electrically. They = need cleaning. I don't want to take loose the wrong screw and have = several hundreds of pieces go flying into the air landing in a random = pile.   So, I'd like to hear from somebody who's worked on these actions before so = I can ask a few questions.   I'm excited about my project now. The console looks bare without its = wooden panels or its wiring. Just naked frame, keyboards, stops, and = combination action. I'm going to be visiting another member's home organ = this evening to get some ideas.   Thanks, Keith  
(back) Subject: Tickets for Felix Hell in Allentown PA Sat May 10 8:00 pm From: "Randy Morrison Morrison" <rwmorrison@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:31:26 -0400   Hello List,   If any of you near Allentown happen to have dragged your feet on ordering tickets for this event tomorrow night...   I have two (2) tickets available, as due to mis-communication, two members of our party aren't able to go.   I haven't called the church to see if tickets are available at the door. The tickets were $10.00 each, I'm willing to negotiate if you can use them. Email me privately if you want them.   Thanks, Randy Morrison          
(back) Subject: Robert Morton Organ From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:45:02 -0500   For those that want a Robert Morton, there has been a 4-rank cemetery organ for sale on ebay for some time.........apparently, the first deal didn't go through or something. The owner is asking $5,000 starting bid, and that would probably take it. It's in California.   Dennis Steckley   Every gun that is made and every warship that is launched, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed--Dwight Eisenhower        
(back) Subject: Re: Robert Morton Organ From: "MusicMan" <musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk> Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:33:34 +0100   "Every gun that is made and every warship that is launched, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed" Dwight Eisenhower   And would someone like to remind me who he was ?   And what significance he has to a Pipe organ chat room ?   I know that he back-pedalled a lot ......    
(back) Subject: Re: Who killed the Organ? Some facts... (xpost) From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:39:38 EDT     --part1_3d.2f53a84a.2bec44ba_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   jch:   Hold on here about the Lorin organ. We did not pack it or store it. IIRC it was given in a will to OCTOS. We went to inspect it and it was not packed in a secure place and was damaged beyond recognition. This was troo bad, as it was a fine organ Lorin Whitney put together. Many greats recorded on it. To be fair we received this organ as a gift late in the process, and it was already ruined. Water damage, rodent nests, well you get the picture. Not much to salvage I would say. You can't store valuable organ parts in a chicken coop situation or a leaky barn. What was left of it was junk, and another valuable instrument becomes history. It was, I might add not our fault.   Ron   --part1_3d.2f53a84a.2bec44ba_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">jch:<BR> <BR> Hold on here about the Lorin organ. We did not pack it or store it.<BR> IIRC it was given in a will to OCTOS. We went to inspect it and<BR> it was not packed in a secure place and was damaged beyond<BR> recognition. This was troo bad, as it was a fine organ Lorin<BR> Whitney put together. Many greats recorded on it. To be fair<BR> we received this organ as a gift late in the process, and it was<BR> already ruined. Water damage, rodent nests, well you get the<BR> picture. Not much to salvage I would say. You can't store <BR> valuable organ parts in a chicken coop situation or a leaky barn.<BR> What was left of it was junk, and another valuable instrument<BR> becomes history. It was, I might add not our fault.<BR> <BR> Ron</FONT></HTML>   --part1_3d.2f53a84a.2bec44ba_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Is Organbuilding closed (was: Roosevelt Closed) From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 19:40:40 -0500   "Ryan C. Lander" wrote: =20 > Why dont YOU get the organ if you like it so much.... Build a barn- = set > it up. Im being serious now. That way you can enjoy it, and the rest = of us > wont have to listen to you complain about how everyone else are losers > because they sit by idly and watch this organ get destroyed. Talk about > growing up...... I have learned alot about my organs already in the sh= ort > time Ive been a member of this board. It has put me in touch with sever= al > very knowlegable people, and I hate to see it filled with useless whini= ng.   Ryan, you obviously have never been in the organ business, have you? =20 I did EXACTLY what Sebastian suggested be done to save a "worthy" M=F6ller organ when I thought I had a client lined-up. Even to the point where they sent me a "Letter of Intent" to purchase the organ. With that Letter of Intent, I borrowed heavily against my business to do everything Sebastian said it takes to remove an organ and warehouse it. I can personally attest that he does NOT exaggerate at the formidable task it is. =20   Wanna know where it ended up?   Being parted-out. Why? The church withdrew their Letter of Intent and left ME holding the bag, trying to explain to the bank why I now couldn't pay back the loan that was supposed to lead to an Organ Renovation Contract.   Sir, there are a LOT of assholes in this world. Deal with enough of them and the "corner on the market" seems to be with churches and you tend to get a bit serious and sarcastic.   If anyone wants to "walk in anyone's shoes", shadow virtually ANY organbuilder and you can do an "overlay" of exactly the same kind of story that Sebastian shares.   There used to be a tongue-in-cheek phrased bandied-about that said: "Are you new"? In this instance, you certainly are, and I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but the frustration level that eventually goes with this kind of pittance of an existence after fighting for every last dollar you earn (which is a JOKE compared to the abilities one must have to be even IN this business!) =20   So, if this business is caused to be extinct, it will be by the very fact that there is SO much ignorance bandied about as "get over it" by the ignorant.   Most people know me to not "come out swinging", but for the sake of all of us who have had to deal with exactly what Sebastian has gone through for FAR too long, I'm saying it because it just HAS to be said! Hopefully, one day, if I live long enough, I'll be able to rise to the stature of Sebastian's encyclopedic knowledge.   Sincerely,   --=20 Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: Felix Hell In Allentown. Still tickets available From: <Hell-Concerts@t-online.de> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 01:56:24 +0200 (CEST)   Dear listmembers, Felix will perform on Saturday, May 10, 8 pm, at Christ Lutheran Church, Allentown, PA. located at 13th & Hamilton Streets. Tickets: $10 The church seats about 340 in the nave, plus 60 on the rear gallery. About 300 tickets are sold already. For tickets call the church office (610) 433 4271, and ask for Judy. The organ: 4-manual, 78 ranks, Skinner/Casavant/Austin PROGRAM: J.S.Bach - Prelude and Fugue Eb Major, BWV 552 - "Schmuecke dich o liebe Seeele", BWV 654 Felix Mendelssohn Sonata No. 1 F Minor, op. 65 Franz Liszt - Adagio (Consolation) - Prelude and Fugue on B-A-C-H Intermission Marcel Dupre Prelude and Fugue B Major Samuel Barber Adagio for strings (arr. W. Strickland) Felix Alexandre Guilmant Sonata No 1 D Minor Felix would be glad to see you on Saturday night. Hans-Friedrich Hell  
(back) Subject: RE: Who killed the Organ? Some facts... (xpost) From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:48:42 -0400   Paul,   If you like Robert Morton Theatre organs, I know of two that are extant. One is here where I live in Binghamton, NY at the Forum theatre. It is = 4/24 and was moved from a theatre in Denver. The other is a 4/35 at the Ohio Theatre in Columbus, OH. I am a church organist myself and have yet to = try theatre organ but I had the pleasure of hearing Dave Peckham play both of these instruments and they both sounded great. Dave says the one in Ohio = is bigger and better, but Dave's playing was great on both. Just thought I'd let you know about other Robert Mortons out there since you seem to be = fond of them.   Andrew Meagher   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Kealypaul Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:33 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Who killed the Organ? Some facts... (xpost)     Awhile back we were talking about a real hero of mine, Lorin Whitney and his Robert Morton that was the center of many radio broadcasts and film sountracks in his state of the art recording studio in Glendale. CA. Disney, Marni Nixon, Barry White's Love Unlimited Orchestra and many professional studio gigs were recorded there continuously in that studio, as well as Gospel broadcasting and music albums.   It was more than just an organ in a studio. The studio was fully professional itself, and when it was purchased by another studio the organ was removed.   It was my privilege to record there, and to get to know him as recording studio owner as well as organist for this great instrument that was acoustically tuned to the recording environment.   Later, when I built my own studio, I often recorded my LP masters and did some studio trax there on his equipment.   Well, awhile back on this list I asked about that organ, which I know Paul Mickelson bought when the studio closed.   Whenever I talked with Paul we always said I would eventually buy that organ (he had it in storage, as well as the old NBC Pipe Organ from Sunset and Vine), but I delayed, and then I heard of Paul's death recently. I had wanted that instrument for what it represented in Lorin's music, and the generation it served in Gospel music, as much as anything else.   Today folks seek contemporary music in worship. Well, Lorin had done that for relating music of the church to a previous generation, and was criticized by some for theatre sounds of the Gospel, as today's musicians are criticized for contemporary motif. (But it worked better for him).   But I had waited too long.   Last week Lorin phoned me, and we had a great chat, recounting some precious yesterdays, and he mentioned that the Robert Morton organ has been chopped up and pieced all over the country. I am still in grief.   Lorin, at 88, still plays organ gigs and keeps busy blessing others with his talent.   I am preparing a publication about his music, so am collecting any information I can gather. It would be nice to have his organ.   But with the joy we shared on the phone last week, it was really hard for me to accept the fact that nothing remains of that great instrument. Maybe I'll find a piece of it someday for my museum, but I am actually, and surprisingly for its depth, heartsick about the loss of that instrument.   When a student at U of Redlands, there was an old Robert Morton in the basement of the music department I used to play, reminding me of those thrilling tibias and trems of Lorins. Last time I visited the campus it was gone, that room was a storage library of music cabinets.   So, people, if you have the opportunity to preserve, just three words, as I actually mourn the loss of this instrument and the person it represented ... DO IT NOW. Tomorrow may be too late.   I'd sell my home to get that instrument of Lorin's but it's gone forever.   ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Paul E. Kealy www.MediaExcellence.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: RE: Felix Hell in Bloomsburg, PA From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 20:11:57 -0500   OK, maybe 3 of the last 4 days of heated litigation, and the traumatic death of my dog on Tuesday night, have me confused and touchy, but I just didn't understand the allusion to me by Malcolm. I don't and never have performed the Abendfriede, or much of anything else these days. Were you punching me in the ribs, pulling my leg, or slapping my face? Have I offended in times past? If so, I am truly sorry.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com (leaving for the wild West early Monday morning, and playing my first service in a year in June before heading to Mormonville a second time)     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Malcolm Wechsler Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 10:56 PM To: Pipe Chat; Pipe Organ List Subject: Felix Hell in Bloomsburg, PA   inter alia:   The Rheinberger <Abendfriede>, evening peace, was so lovely that it probably surpassed even those performances of our own Glenda, reports to the contrary notwithstanding. It ended with three chimes, surely much appreciated by members of the church, and Rheinberger would have been pleased as well.        
(back) Subject: RE: Who killed the Roosevelt? Some facts... (xpost) From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 18:51:22 -0400   I heard the Chicago Stadium story on Pipedreams once. Very sad. However, = I didn't know that the organist was the reason it didn't get moved. That really angers me.   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of jch Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 1:41 PM To: PipeChat Subject: RE: Who killed the Roosevelt? Some facts... (xpost)     At 12:42 PM 5/8/03 -0400, you wrote: >That makes me sick that an organist would throw away that historic organ >for an electric!     Not a new story...the organist is the reason that the Chicago Stadium = organ did not get moved to the United Center...and that organ is now lost...only the console and a rank or two were not destroyed in the warehouse fire...   jch       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Robert Morton Organ avaialable From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 10:48:41 -0500   "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" wrote:   > For those that want a Robert Morton, there has been a 4-rank cemetery > organ for sale on ebay for some time.........apparently, the first deal > didn't go through or something. The owner is asking $5,000 starting > bid, and that would probably take it. It's in California.   Let me hasten to add that I have been working with a church that has sold their building to a group who has no use for the instrument and I am trying to "broker" a sale of the instrument.   The instrument was re-built by us in 1982 after another company had basically "butchered" the organ and the church was wringing their hands trying to get it to function one more time.   It is near to us, so we have the equipment, manpower and technical ability to remove it. It was a really nice chambered church instrument and would serve another church faithfully for many decades with minimal renovation work in the process of moving.   Serious inquiries only!   Faithfully, -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: DDE's wisdom From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:16:08 -0500   I have no idea what you mean by "he back-pedalled a lot," and I don't imagine you really need to be reminded who he was. I'm just jealous that Dennis found this beautiful signature quote first, for I wish I could use it. Maybe if I look into a collection of Ike's speeches I can find = another just as good.   Is it "MusicMan's" (sorry, but you didn't give your name) contention that = we must shed our normal signature quotes before we can post on PipeChat? Is that written in the rules somewhere?     Randolph P. Runyon Professor of French Miami University Oxford, OH 45056 runyonr@muohio.edu             on 5/9/03 10:33 AM, MusicMan at musicman@cottagemusic.co.uk wrote:   > "Every gun that is made and every warship that is launched, signifies in > the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who > are cold and are not clothed" Dwight Eisenhower > > And would someone like to remind me who he was ? > > And what significance he has to a Pipe organ chat room ? > > I know that he back-pedalled a lot ...... > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >