PipeChat Digest #3677 - Saturday, May 17, 2003
 
Organ Concert 25th May
  by <Cpmnhartus@aol.com>
Re: Phoenix Digital organs
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Purchasing without hearing
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Re: List Members at Leipzig?
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Phoenix digital organ
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com>
 

(back) Subject: Organ Concert 25th May From: <Cpmnhartus@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 20:51:53 EDT     --part1_48.1cd96289.2bf6e1a9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   16 May 2003   ANNOUNCING AN ORGAN CONCERT, 25TH MAY AT 5 PM   AT HISTORIC ST. PETER'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH   ON SECOND STREET IN DOWNTOWN, LEWES, DELAWARE   MUSIC FOR SOLO ORGAN AND "DUELING ORGANS"   George Bayley, Director of Music and Richard Freeman, Organists   PROGRAM   Bluesleeves Malcolm Archer Canon in D Johann Pachelbel A Fancy for Two to Play (Two Organs) Thomas Tomkins (George Bayley and Richard Freeman) Crown Imperial (A Coronation March) William Walton Concerto No. 2 in G for Two Organs Antonio Soler Andantino -- Minu=3DE9 (George Bayley and Richard Freeman) Choral No. 3 in E C=3DE9sar Franck Elite Syncopations Scott Joplin transcribed by George Bayley Toccata, Opus 59, No. 5 Max Reger The Stars and Stripes Forever John Philip Sousa (arranged by E. Power Biggs and played on two organs) (George Bayley and Richard Freeman)   The organs are the church's 49 rank organ rebuilt by W. K. Monaghan and a Copeman Hart Chamber organ with continuo and alternate church = voicing.   The concert is free and open to the public. A large crowd always attend = thes=3D e annual Memorial Day Sunday concerts. Arrive early for a seat with a full = vie=3D w of the console.   Submitted by George W. Bayley Senior U. S. Consultant Copeman Hart America Lewes, Delaware   --part1_48.1cd96289.2bf6e1a9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">16 May 2003<BR> <BR> <B>ANNOUNCING AN ORGAN CONCERT, 25TH MAY AT 5 PM</B><BR> <BR> <B>AT HISTORIC ST. PETER'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH<BR> </B><BR> <B>ON SECOND STREET IN DOWNTOWN, LEWES, DELAWARE</B><BR> <BR> <B><U>MUSIC FOR SOLO ORGAN AND "DUELING ORGANS"</B><BR> <BR> George Bayley, Director of Music and Richard Freeman, Organists</U><BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = =3D20=3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = <=3D U>PROGRAM</U><BR> <BR> Bluesleeves&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=3D bsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=3D bsp;&nbsp; Malcolm Archer<BR> Canon in D&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Johann Pachelbel<BR> A Fancy for Two to Play (Two = Organs)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thomas Tomkins<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (George = B=3D ayley and Richard Freeman)<BR> Crown Imperial (A Coronation = March)&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; William Walton<BR> Concerto No. 2 in G for Two = Organs&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=3D &nbsp; Antonio Soler<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = =3D20=3D Andantino&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; --&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Minu=3DE9<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (George = B=3D ayley and Richard Freeman)<BR> Choral No. 3 in = E&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=3D ;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=3D sp;&nbsp; C=3DE9sar Franck<BR> Elite Syncopations&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = &nbsp;&n=3D bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Scott = J=3D oplin<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= s=3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n= =3D bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp= ;=3D &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; transcribed by George Bayley<BR> Toccata, Opus 59, No. 5&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; = &nbsp;&nbsp;&n=3D bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Max Reger<BR> The Stars and Stripes = Forever&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=3D ;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; John Philip = Sous=3D a<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (arranged by E. Power Biggs and played on two = organ=3D s)<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb= s=3D p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (George Bayley and Richard Freeman)<BR> <BR> The organs are the church's 49 rank organ rebuilt by W. K. Monaghan<BR> and a Copeman Hart Chamber organ with continuo and alternate church = voicing.=3D <BR> <BR> The concert is free and open to the public. A large crowd always attend = thes=3D e<BR> annual Memorial Day Sunday concerts. Arrive early for a seat with a full = vie=3D w<BR> of the console.<BR> <BR> Submitted by George W. Bayley<BR> Senior U. S. Consultant<BR> Copeman Hart America<BR> Lewes, Delaware<BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_48.1cd96289.2bf6e1a9_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Phoenix Digital organs From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 21:01:38 -0400   On 5/16/03 7:45 PM, "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote:   > One can certainly not trust a CD, since some > CD's are good recordings and some are bad. Some make the instrument > sound better than it actually is, others make it sound worse.   Well, one surely assumes that the committee visited at least four or five instruments of that style, and by his builder. Just for starters. Right? Of course. And they'll be delighted, in aeternum. .   Alan      
(back) Subject: Purchasing without hearing From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Fri, 16 May 2003 23:02:13 EDT     --part1_76.2db2d6f4.2bf70035_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   >I cannot believe that anyone would be foolish enough to invest an=3D20 >enormous sum in purchasing a new organ -- whether pipe or electronic = --=3D20 >without first hearing an actual example (or preferably several = examples)=3D20 >of the builder's work.=3DA0 One can certainly not trust a CD, since = some=3D20 >CD's are good recordings and some are bad.=3DA0 Some make the = instrument=3D20 >sound better than it actually is, others make it sound worse.   I am in full agreement with John Speller on the above topic. I just = can't=3D20 understand why and how a church committee and organist would sign a = contract=3D =3D20 based solely on a CD and literature provided by a representative of an = organ=3D =3D20 company. Having just signed a contract for a large 5 manual pipe organ = for=3D20 my church, I know what kind of work we put into the process of talking = to=3D20 builders, listening to their presentations, listening to = recordings/videos,=3D20 and most importantly visiting churches to hear and play instruments = of=3D20 different sizes in different acoustics and of different vintages to get = an=3D20 idea of what the builder can do. Mind you, the instrument that I = designed=3D20 for the church is being built for a new santcuary, so the organ company = and=3D20 the architect are working together, but we wanted to hear what the = builder=3D20 could do in different settings--from a 500 seat concert hall with a = little=3D20 bit of reverb to a large church with 5 seconds of reverb. We heard a 30 = yea=3D r=3D20 old organ this company built and we heard something that was only 6 = months=3D20 old. We looked at financial statements of the organ builder and did = similar=3D =3D20 research into the other builders we considered. It was all done in = good=3D20 stewardship of the conrgegation's money. When any sum of money is = being=3D20 spent, it's the only responsible thing to do. It blows my mind to think = tha=3D t=3D20 a church has purchased an instrument and no one has heard one in person. I hope that I've missed a post or something in a post that explains = this=3D20 situation a little more, but it just seems irresponsible for a committee = to=3D20 just buy an organ basically sight unseen or ear unheard. I was lucky that = a=3D t=3D20 my church we had no organ committee. It was myself and the Minister of = Musi=3D c=3D20 with input from an organist colleague of ours. The Pastor and architect = (wh=3D o=3D20 is a member of the congregation) met with us and the representative = to=3D20 finalize the deal. The Pastor and the architect went with our=3D20 recommentation, but they did so because they know of the work we put into = th=3D e=3D20 research of who would be the best builder for us. Once we had decided on = th=3D e=3D20 builder, the representative sent one of the Associate Ministers and = the=3D20 architect to see two of the instruments we looked at, so they could have = an=3D20 idea of what the builder would/could do. Any church that would buy an = organ=3D =3D20 without the organist even hearing or playing it must not respect the=3D20 musician, not to mention the lack of good stewardship that is implied by = not=3D =3D20 researching what they are purchasing. If I were the organist at this = church=3D ,=3D20 I would be looking for another position. I don't think that the organist should always get their way, because some = of=3D =3D20 the musical desires may not be best for the church (ie. a 200 seat = church=3D20 with a large 4 manual digital organ or a church with extremely varied = musica=3D l=3D20 styles getting a 6 rank tracker), however, the organist's opinion and=3D20 recommendation should be taken seriously and weighed into the final = decision=3D ,=3D20 since they will be playing it, not the Organ Commitee.   Monty Bennett         --part1_76.2db2d6f4.2bf70035_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">&gt;I cannot believe that anyone would be foolish enou=3D gh to invest an <BR> &gt;enormous sum in purchasing a new organ -- whether pipe or electronic = --=3D20=3D <BR> &gt;without first hearing an actual example (or preferably several = examples)=3D <BR> &gt;of the builder's work.=3DA0 One can certainly not trust a CD, since = some <=3D BR> &gt;CD's are good recordings and some are bad.=3DA0 Some make the = instrument <=3D BR> &gt;sound better than it actually is, others make it sound worse.<BR> <BR> I am in full agreement with John Speller on the above topic.&nbsp; I just = ca=3D n't understand why and how a church committee and organist would sign a = cont=3D ract based solely on a CD and literature provided by a representative of = an=3D20=3D organ company.&nbsp; Having just signed a contract for a large 5 manual = pipe=3D organ for my church, I know what kind of work we put into the process of = ta=3D lking to builders, listening to their presentations, listening to = recordings=3D /videos, and most importantly visiting churches to hear and play = instruments=3D of different sizes in different acoustics and of different vintages to = get=3D20=3D an idea of what the builder can do.&nbsp; Mind you, the instrument that I = de=3D signed for the church is being built for a new santcuary, so the organ = compa=3D ny and the architect are working together, but we wanted to hear what the = bu=3D ilder could do in different settings--from a 500 seat concert hall with a = li=3D ttle bit of reverb to a large church with 5 seconds of reverb.&nbsp; We = hear=3D d a 30 year old organ this company built and we heard something that was = onl=3D y 6 months old.&nbsp; We looked at financial statements of the organ = builder=3D and did similar research into the other builders we considered.&nbsp; It = wa=3D s all done in good stewardship of the conrgegation's money.&nbsp; When any = s=3D um of money is being spent, it's the only responsible thing to do.&nbsp; = It=3D20=3D blows my mind to think that a church has purchased an instrument and no = one=3D20=3D has heard one in person.<BR> I hope that I've missed a post or something in a post that explains this = sit=3D uation a little more, but it just seems irresponsible for a committee to = jus=3D t buy an organ basically sight unseen or ear unheard.&nbsp; I was lucky = that=3D at my church we had no organ committee.&nbsp; It was myself and the = Ministe=3D r of Music with input from an organist colleague of ours.&nbsp; The Pastor = a=3D nd architect (who is a member of the congregation) met with us and the = repre=3D sentative to finalize the deal.&nbsp; The Pastor and the architect went = with=3D our recommentation, but they did so because they know of the work we put = in=3D to the research of who would be the best builder for us.&nbsp; Once we had = d=3D ecided on the builder, the representative sent one of the Associate = Minister=3D s and the architect to see two of the instruments we looked at, so they = coul=3D d have an idea of what the builder would/could do.&nbsp; Any church that = wou=3D ld buy an organ without the organist even hearing or playing it must not = res=3D pect the musician, not to mention the lack of good stewardship that is = impli=3D ed by not researching what they are purchasing.&nbsp; If I were the = organist=3D at this church, I would be looking for another position.<BR> I don't think that the organist should always get their way, because some = of=3D the musical&nbsp; desires may not be best for the church (ie. a 200 seat = ch=3D urch with a large 4 manual digital organ or a church with extremely varied = m=3D usical styles getting a 6 rank tracker), however, the organist's opinion = and=3D recommendation should be taken seriously and weighed into the final = decisio=3D n, since they will be playing it, not the Organ Commitee.<BR> <BR> Monty Bennett<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_76.2db2d6f4.2bf70035_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: List Members at Leipzig? From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 06:19:55 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   What a treat you are in for!   Two observations spring to mind, which both speak volumes about the best in European music-making and interest.   Firstly, I helped an injured German student get to Heathrow Airport some years ago.....he had severely wrenched his ankle when I found him. Several applications of fresh ice and the permanent loan of a crutch which I still had after an accident, and he was semi-mobile. Driving him to the airport, it turned out that he was a musician, who studied and played with a highly respected Leipzig Youth Orchestra. When I asked him who his favourite composer might be, I was surprised by his answer.   "Bach naturally, but my favourite composer is Reger".   This from a seventeen year old!   Then, some years earlier still, I recall a conversation I had with Monica Huggett (Hanover Band?)   She asked me a very interesting question.   "Did I think that Ton Koopman over elaborated his ornamentation or over phrased his performances of Bach?"   "Not in the least", I replied, "in point of fact, when I hear Ton play, I hear new aspects to Bach I had never considered previously. I am genuinely moved by his interpretations".   She replied, "Oh good! He would be so pleased to hear that, because he pours over the music constantly, and worries terribly whether he is doing the right thing".   Isn't that the true measure of the really great performer? Someone who studies, takes care over what he does and then communicates.   Have a great trip Seb!   Better still, write about it in your usual way, and give us all a treat when you return.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       --- TubaMagna@aol.com wrote:   > Are any list members going on tour with Ton Koopman > and Christoph Wolff, or > at least joining us at the Leipzig Bach Festival? \   __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer  
(back) Subject: Re: Phoenix digital organ From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 May 2003 06:11:10 +0000   I played both the Phoenix organs in Liverpool Cathedral and Iain Stinson's =   house at Christmas. The Cathedral organ sounds magnificent - what wouldn't =   in those acoustics! It has a substantial high quality amplification = system, is well made and a layman really wouldn't be able to tell the difference! The organ in Iain Stinson's house is a custom built 3 manual - well made console and comprehensive specification. It's only limitation is the size = of his study - any electronic organ is going to lose some of it's splendour = in a small room - but if you are going to have an electronic, Phoenix are better than most. Since I want to stay friends with Cherryl I have to say that the Copemann Hart organs are also in a class of their own! My first choice would still be a good pipe organ - I think this topic had = a pretty good airing on EORG a few months back. John Foss       www.johnfoss.gr   _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail