PipeChat Digest #3693 - Friday, May 23, 2003
 
Acoustics
  by <RMB10@aol.com>
Key Actions
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: Limerivk alert
  by "Austin David" <david.austin@kone.com>
 

(back) Subject: Acoustics From: <RMB10@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 23:29:00 EDT     --part1_163.2093042e.2bf9a97c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Bruce wrote: >Does anyone really know if contemporary music does not sound good in = a=3D20 >reverberant acoustic?=3DA0=3DA0 Has a "group" ever tried playing without = being=3D20=3D miked=3D20   >to death?=3DA0=3D20   I can tell you for the type of contemporary music that two of the = musical=3D20 groups do, any kind of acoustics that we would consider "good" would=3D20 definitely hinder them. "Real" Contemporary Gospel, more = specifically=3D20 Contemporary Urban Gospel, such as Kirk Franklin, John P. Kee, etc., (not = to=3D =3D20 be confused with "Praise and Worship" or "Contemporary Christian") just = has=3D20 too much going on, and any kind of reverberant acoustic just makes the = sound=3D =3D20 a muddled mess. At my church, while tradional music is the norm, the = Gospel=3D =3D20 groups have a definite place in ministry, and their music has as much=3D20 validity as the a cappella choir or one of the other adult choirs that = do=3D20 sing traditional music, such as Bach, Mendelssohn, Brahms, etc. We have = to=3D20 take into consideration that these contemporary groups will be singing = and=3D20 that they should have as much respect as the pipe organ and other choirs. = =3D20 The problem with their music and good acoustics lies in the fact that = the=3D20 music they sing is so heavily percussion driven that "good" acoustics of 3 = o=3D r=3D20 so seconds, just makes everything so muddled. If they were only using = a=3D20 guitar and singing some praise choruses, 3 seconds would be fine, = however,=3D20 when you start adding a rhythm section, electric bass, electric guitars = and=3D20 keyboards, singing very rhythmically complex music, all definition is = lost.=3D20=3D =3D20 Like I said before, this style of music goes way beyond "happy clappy" = prais=3D e=3D20 choruses, or even the light-rock contemporary Christian music heard on = the=3D20 radio. This is hard-core rockin' Black gospel, basically "hip-hop" for = God.=3D =3D20 As an aside, the congregation gets a kick out of me, a White organist in = a=3D20 mixed, but predominantly African-American church, that I can play in all = the=3D =3D20 styles necessary for their service. There are some members of the=3D20 congregation who ask me if I'm sure that I'm really White, and I had a = choir=3D =3D20 director from another large Black church in Charlotte, NC, tell me that = one=3D =3D20 day I was going to wake up and find myself with darker skin....his = comment=3D20 (purely in jest) was that a White man shouldn't be able to play Black = gospel=3D =3D20 in the proper style and then turn around and pop off a Bach fugue without = an=3D y=3D20 problem. LOL So, this is the long story as to why we have to be careful with our=3D20 acoustics.     Monty Bennett   --part1_163.2093042e.2bf9a97c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Bruce wrote:<BR> &gt;Does anyone really know if contemporary music does not sound good in a = <=3D BR> &gt;reverberant acoustic?=3DA0=3DA0 Has a "group" ever tried playing = without bei=3D ng miked <BR> &gt;to death?=3DA0 <BR> <BR> I can tell you for the type of contemporary music that two of the musical = gr=3D oups do, any kind of acoustics that we would consider "good" would = definitel=3D y hinder them.&nbsp; "Real" Contemporary Gospel, more specifically = Contempor=3D ary Urban Gospel, such as Kirk Franklin, John P. Kee, etc., (not to be = confu=3D sed with "Praise and Worship" or "Contemporary Christian") just has too = much=3D going on, and any kind of reverberant acoustic just makes the sound a = muddl=3D ed mess.&nbsp; At my church, while tradional music is the norm, the Gospel = g=3D roups have a definite place in ministry, and their music has as much = validit=3D y as the a cappella choir or one of the other adult choirs that do sing = trad=3D itional music, such as Bach, Mendelssohn, Brahms, etc.&nbsp; We have to = take=3D into consideration that these contemporary groups will be singing and that=3D20=3D they should have as much respect as the pipe organ and other choirs.&nbsp; = T=3D he problem with their music and good acoustics lies in the fact that the = mus=3D ic they sing is so heavily percussion driven that "good" acoustics of 3 or = s=3D o seconds, just makes everything so muddled.&nbsp; If they were only using = a=3D guitar and singing some praise choruses, 3 seconds would be fine, = however,=3D20=3D when you start adding a rhythm section, electric bass, electric guitars = and=3D20=3D keyboards, singing very rhythmically complex music, all definition is = lost.&=3D nbsp; Like I said before, this style of music goes way beyond "happy = clappy"=3D praise choruses, or even the light-rock contemporary Christian music = heard=3D20=3D on the radio.&nbsp; This is hard-core rockin' Black gospel, basically = "hip-h=3D op" for God.&nbsp; As an aside, the congregation gets a kick out of me, a = Wh=3D ite organist in a mixed, but predominantly African-American church, that I = c=3D an play in all the styles necessary for their service.&nbsp; There are = some=3D20=3D members of the congregation who ask me if I'm sure that I'm really White, = an=3D d I had a choir director from another large Black church&nbsp; in = Charlotte,=3D NC, tell me that one day I was going to wake up and find myself with = darker=3D skin....his comment (purely in jest) was that a White man shouldn't be = able=3D to play Black gospel in the proper style and then turn around and pop off = a=3D Bach fugue without any problem.&nbsp; LOL<BR> So, this is the long story as to why we have to be careful with our = acoustic=3D s.<BR> <BR> <BR> Monty Bennett<BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_163.2093042e.2bf9a97c_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Key Actions From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 22:31:36 EDT     --part1_188.19c08a21.2bf99c08_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Paul,   I've done some searching and only came up with the following explanatory lecture. Most of the sites I've visited that try to explain pipe organs = only give the "direct electric" and the "pallet chest or tracker" actions.   My organ has pitman chests. Years ago, I read an explanation in a pipe = organ book about how it works. It took a while to "get it", but it was quite ingenious. It's one of those things that you have to have a diagram of it = in front of you (both "on" and "off") in order to understand how it works.   There are other electropneumatic chests which were the precursors of the pitman chest. I started to describe Ventil chests, but got bogged down. Sorry.   Take a look at the following website to see if it answers any of your questions. Actually, I finally understood these things after I read = Barnes' book, "The Contemporary American Organ" and looked at Audsley's "The Art = of Organbuilding". There are a few others I studied, but I can't remember = their names. If you are near a public library you might find some of these.   Another resource that I found helpful - and that I've even seen on the = shelf at "Barnes 'n Noble" or "Books a Million" is a copy of "The New Grove Encyclopedia of Music and Musicians". They have even extracted the = "Organ" section from that set and published it as a single book. I think it = explains some of these actions as well.   Following is what I found when I searched for "windchest" AND "pipe organ" =   AND "pitman" for example. <A HREF=3D"http://www.gouldingandwood.com/Articletw.html"> The Electro-pneumatic, Slider and Pallet Windchest</A> http://www.gouldingandwood.com/Articletw.html   Enjoy your research, Keith Zimmerman   --part1_188.19c08a21.2bf99c08_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Paul,<BR> <BR> I've done some searching and only came up with the following explanatory = lec=3D ture.&nbsp; Most of the sites I've visited that try to explain pipe organs = o=3D nly give the "direct electric" and the "pallet chest or tracker" = actions.<BR=3D > <BR> My organ has pitman chests.&nbsp; Years ago, I read an explanation in a = pipe=3D organ book about how it works.&nbsp; It took a while to "get it", but it = wa=3D s quite ingenious.&nbsp; It's one of those things that you have to have a = di=3D agram of it in front of you (both "on" and "off") in order to understand = how=3D it works.<BR> <BR> There are other electropneumatic chests which were the precursors of the = pit=3D man chest.&nbsp; I started to describe Ventil chests, but got bogged down. = S=3D orry.<BR> <BR> Take a look at the following website to see if it answers any of your = questi=3D ons.&nbsp; Actually, I finally understood these things after I read = Barnes'=3D20=3D book, "The Contemporary American Organ" and looked at Audsley's "The Art = of=3D20=3D Organbuilding".&nbsp; There are a few others I studied, but I can't = remember=3D their names.&nbsp; If you are near a public library you might find some = of=3D20=3D these.<BR> <BR> Another resource that I found helpful - and that I've even seen on the = shelf=3D at "Barnes 'n Noble" or "Books a Million" is a copy of "The New Grove = Encyc=3D lopedia of Music and Musicians".&nbsp; They have even extracted the = "Organ"=3D20=3D section from that set and published it as a single book.&nbsp; I think it = ex=3D plains some of these actions as well.<BR> <BR> Following is what I found when I searched for "windchest" AND "pipe organ" = A=3D ND "pitman" for example.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" = style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-=3D COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" = LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#0000ff" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0"><A = HREF=3D3D"http://www.gouldi=3D ngandwood.com/Articletw.html"> <B>The Electro-pneumatic, Slider and Pallet Windchest</A></B></B><BR> http://www.gouldingandwood.com/Articletw.html<BR> <BR> Enjoy your research,<BR> Keith Zimmerman</FONT></HTML>   --part1_188.19c08a21.2bf99c08_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Limerivk alert From: "Austin David" <david.austin@kone.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 09:03:19 +0200   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C320F9.63F5BB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   I always thought that limericks have 5 lines.   >Seated one day at the piano, >I looked between my knees, >My feet began to wander, >looking for bits of trees. > >I knew not what I was doing, >three pedals seemed not a lot. >I tried a chord with both my feet, >but no amen I got.   Colin Mitchell     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C320F9.63F5BB20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1"   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2653.12"> <TITLE>Re: Limerivk alert</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I always thought that limericks have 5 lines.</FONT> </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;Seated one day at the piano,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I looked between my knees,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;My feet began to wander,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;looking for bits of trees.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I knew not what I was doing,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;three pedals seemed not a lot.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;I tried a chord with both my feet,</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;but no amen I got.</FONT> </P>   <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Colin Mitchell</FONT> </P>   </BODY> </HTML> ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C320F9.63F5BB20--