PipeChat Digest #3703 - Tuesday, May 27, 2003
 
Miriam Duncan, 1919-2003, Rest in Peace
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
RE: Bach for church
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Holy Cross Lutheran, St. Louis City, 1902 Kilgen
  by "Jim Zimmerman" <jrzimmer@purdue.edu>
RE: Be my guest
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Whitlock
  by "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com>
RE: Emmanuel Church Boston
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
RE: Emmanuel Church
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Re: Holy Cross Lutheran, St. Louis City, 1902 Kilgen
  by "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net>
RE: Bach for church
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Emmanuel Church, Boston
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Was My little organ. Stinkens
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
RE: Dupre and Distler recordings
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Two lighter and irreverent stories (was: Bach for church)
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: Bach for church
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Emmanuel Church
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Bach for church
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Emmanuel Church, Boston
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: My little organ
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Re: Emmanuel Church
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Miriam Duncan, 1919-2003, Rest in Peace From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:26:35 -0400   I regret that this happened just as I was to be out of the office for two weeks; hence I didn't learn of it until this morning, and Frank was = counting on me to forward the sad news to you. But better late than never---   ------------------------------------- [Frank's message:]       Dear friends,   I'm so sorry to bring you this terrible news, but our dear friend and teacher, Miriam Duncan, died today. She had been in a nursing home outside of St. Paul, Minnesota.   I was contacted by a friend and member of my choir who works at Wichman Funeral Home in Appleton. They had received the call at 4:00 this afternoon that she had died. He said that Jonathan, her son, was at her side when she died. The plans are for the funeral to be held on Tuesday, at, I expect, St. Mary's Church in Appleton.   What a great and wonderful lady. She touched all of our lives in ways that cannot be counted. The sadness I feel, I know is shared by all of you.     ---------------------------------------------------- [OBITUARY]   Duncan, Miriam Clapp   Age 83, of Appleton, passed away on Friday, May 9, 2003 in St. Paul, Minnesota. She was born on October 26, 1919 in Anderson, Indiana to the = late Joseph and Anna Clapp. On July 13, 1943 she married Clyde Duncan in Anderson, Indiana.   Miriam received her bachelor's and master's degrees from the American Conservatory of Music in Chicago, where she studied with Leo Sowerby. Later, she studied in Europe with Anton Heiller, Marie-Claire Alain, Luigi Tagliavini and Gustav Leonhardt. Professor Emerita Duncan taught organ and harpsichord at Lawrence University Conservatory of Music (where her husband Clyde taught piano and composition) for over 40 years. Her efforts and those of her students (the "Tracker Backers") were largely responsible for the purchase and installation of the Brombaugh tracker organ in the Lawrence Memorial Chapel in 1994. She continued to teach privately and to serve as a consultant on organ installations until near the end of her life. Her former students remain an enormous influence in the classical music world in the United States and in Europe.   Miriam is survived by a daughter, Anne Duncan-Welke, son-in-law, Darrell Welke and their children, James and Katherine. She is further survived by a son, Jonathan Byrd Duncan, St. Paul and a sister-in-law, Frances Clapp, New Castle, Indiana.   Miriam was preceded in death by her husband, Clyde, her parents, sister, Mary Cordelia, and brothers Herbert and Harold.   Friends may call on Tuesday, May 13, 2003 at the funeral home from 5:00 PM until 9:00 PM, and also one hour prior to Mass on Wednesday May 14, 2003 at church. A Mass of Christian Burial will be celebrated on May 14, 2003 at 11:00 AM at St. Mary Catholic Church (312 S. State St.) in Appleton with Father Michael O'Rourke officiating. Entombment will take place at St. Joseph Cemetery in Appleton. Memorials may be directed in her name to Lawrence University and St. Mary Catholic Church.   --------------------------------------- [me again:]   I can only echo Frank's words of grief and gratitude. Although I was an "applied" organ student of LaVahn Maesch at Lawrence, I studied organ pedagogy and service playing with Mrs. Duncan. But these two formal = courses were only a drop in the bucket of her influence on all of us. She was a wonderful morale builder, confidante, many times hostess in her home for get-togethers that would last into the wee hours of the night, the conversation becoming ever more earnest as the clock ticked... she made it exciting, aesthetically, intellectually, and spiritually, to study the organ. As the obituary mentioned, our "Tracker Backer" esprit-de-corps = was due entirely to her. She also made it seem real cool to be a Roman Catholic. Perhaps those who weren't didn't formally convert then and = there from whatever denomination we had been raised in, but most of us felt a definite and unforgettable tug in that direction simply from her example = and personal devotion. That is, to my mind, exactly what evangelism should be about.   Perhaps because her distinguished husband was a full-time professor in the conservatory and she was (I understand) part-time, I'm afraid that she was for awhile considered in the community as a kind of supernumerary, rather than being recognized or appreciated as the consummate artist, authority, and pedagogue that she was in her own right (just look again at her list = of teachers). It probably took Mr. Maesch's retirement in 1970, whereupon = she became the sole organ instructor, before she could come into her own. The regional and national prizes that several of her students soon proceeded = to garner, and the professional lives that they still maintain, speak for themselves.   She loved the organ, she loved teaching, and she loved her students. As often, alas, happens to people in their very advanced years, she became a little confused in the rest home in which she spent her final days (*long* after retiring, I hasten to say). But students (I doubt that we would = ever say "former students") who were able continued to visit her, and they = report that (1) when talking about the organ, organ playing, organ music, she was still as sharp as a tack, and still intense. (2) If her mind wandered, = she would often cry out urgently that she *had* to get back Lawrence to teach, students were waiting for her. If this isn't proof-positive of where her heart (or a large part of it) had always been, I don't know what coiuld = be.          
(back) Subject: RE: Bach for church From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:39:17 -0400   Alan,   An organist friend of mine once told me that she had a copule request "O Sacred Head Now Wounded" for a wedding processional. She said she laughe= d all the way through it as she was playing.   Andrew Meagher     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Alan Freed Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 11:23 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Bach for church     On 5/26/03 11:09 AM, "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> wrote:   > "Oh Mensch bewein' dein Suende gross" in Pentecost time!!-   I hear you, Andres. I once jokingly proposed it for a wedding. But a friend "topped" me by recommending instead, "Turn Back, O Man, Forswear T= hy Foolish Ways."   Alan     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: Holy Cross Lutheran, St. Louis City, 1902 Kilgen From: "Jim Zimmerman" <jrzimmer@purdue.edu> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 13:40:01 -0500   Greetings,   I rarely post to the list but feel the need to comment on Travis Evan's wonderful hymn improvisations. Beautiful playing on a wonderful organ! From time to time I also use a mini-disc recorder with Crown PZM mikes but never end up with results like that. Travis, could you tell us what kind of microphone(s) you used and how you placed it (them)?   ************* Jim Zimmerman <jrzimmer@purdue.edu> ***************    
(back) Subject: RE: Be my guest From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:48:02 -0400   Yes, I remember stopping in to a record shop in Cambridge some years ago. In bounced two choristers from St. John's, who went to the choral music bins and placed all the St. John's records in the front and the King's records in the back.   From what Dr. Guest would say, relationships were always cordial between = the two choirmasters, however. One time a set of illnesses and accidents on = the athletic fields combined to deplete St. John's treble ranks rather alarmingly for a week or two. Word reached choirmaster of King's by the grapevine. He politely = telephoned George to commiserate, and then asked if he would like to "audition" some King's choristers to serve at St. John's until the crisis had passed. George was impressed and touched not only by the gesture itself but by the gracious way it was phrased.   He also would regale American audiences with his description of the ATB auditioning merry-go-round. Of course, every applicant who wanted to sing his way through the university would hope for a place at either King's or St.John's, and try there first. Anyone turned down by these two would then make his rounds to the chapels with less and less ambitious music establishments. "And if it turned out that he wasn't accepted at any of them, then the poor fellow would have no choice but to go to Oxford."      
(back) Subject: Whitlock From: "Bonnie Beth Derby" <orge@dreamscape.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:54:17 -0400   This is a multi-part message in MIME format.   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0050_01C3245F.D9130020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   Greetings,   Percy Whitlock's 100th birthday will be celebrated on WCNY-FM in =3D Syracuse; WUNY-FM, Utica; WJNY-FM, Watertown and www.wcny.org during =3D Choral Traditions Saturday night at 8pm featuring the Choir of Rochester = =3D Cathedral, Kent, and on Orgelwerke Sunday night at 8 with organists =3D Graham Barber and Douglas Cleveland. =3D20   Cheers,   Bonnie Beth Derby orge@dreamscape.com=3D20 =3D20   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0050_01C3245F.D9130020 Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3D3DContent-Type content=3D3D"text/html; =3D charset=3D3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D3D"MSHTML 5.50.4807.2300" name=3D3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Greetings,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Percy Whitlock's 100th =3D birthday&nbsp;will be=3D20 celebrated on WCNY-FM in Syracuse; WUNY-FM, Utica; WJNY-FM, Watertown=3D20 and&nbsp;<A href=3D3D"http://www.wcny.org">www.wcny.org</A>&nbsp;during = =3D <EM>Choral=3D20 Traditions</EM> Saturday night at 8pm&nbsp;featuring the Choir of =3D Rochester=3D20 Cathedral, Kent, and on <EM>Orgelwerke</EM> Sunday night at 8 with =3D organists=3D20 Graham Barber and Douglas Cleveland.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Cheers,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2>Bonnie Beth Derby</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial size=3D3D2><A=3D20 href=3D3D"mailto:orge@dreamscape.com">orge@dreamscape.com</A>&nbsp;</FONT><= =3D /DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D3DArial=3D20 size=3D3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>   ------=3D_NextPart_000_0050_01C3245F.D9130020--    
(back) Subject: RE: Emmanuel Church Boston From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 14:52:13 -0400   > The Rodgers 960 was reportedly an interim makeshift so that the church could have sounds on Sundays. I'd love to hear what changed their minds = -- anyone know?   I heard something about a bad fire at that church a few years ago. = Perhaps, God willing, it didn't destroy the organ, but it would at least make restoration more difficult and cause them to put it on the back burner.   >  
(back) Subject: RE: Emmanuel Church From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:01:46 -0400   Another unfortunate circumstance of which I have heard: the music has become, at least in the view of some, the tail that wags the dog there, so that the rector and certain others are in the mood to react against it.   This response is due to the rude attitude and behavior of quite a number = of people who attend *only* to hear the cantata, and then they leave. They have no interest in either the collection plate or parish life. They = treat it as a free concert and the church as nothing more than a concert hall.   This isn't proper Bostonian behavior, and Bach must be rolling in his grave-- but it's so-o-o-o yuppy-puppy.   If and when this happens, it's discouraging and sickening, even disillusioning. I'd like to think that exposure to good music builds character. Reports like this are not a recommendation.      
(back) Subject: Re: Holy Cross Lutheran, St. Louis City, 1902 Kilgen From: "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:07:49 -0700 (PDT)   I use a Sony MiniDisc Recorder (MZ-N707) and a Sony One-Point Stereo Mic (ECM-MS907), all total about $350.00. I have been very pleased at the quality I've gotten from it. As for mic placement and such. I had it sitting on the balcony railing behind be facing out into the nave opposite direction of the organ. Since I've yet to buy a longer mic cord for it so I can place it down on the floor, this helps to get more of a 'blended' sound rather than the headon sound of the organ. I do the same with recording services at my own church.   Travis   --- Jim Zimmerman <jrzimmer@purdue.edu> wrote: > Greetings, > > I rarely post to the list but feel the need to > comment on Travis Evan's > wonderful hymn improvisations. Beautiful playing on > a wonderful > organ! From time to time I also use a mini-disc > recorder with Crown PZM > mikes but never end up with results like that. > Travis, could you tell us > what kind of microphone(s) you used and how you > placed it (them)? > > ************* Jim Zimmerman <jrzimmer@purdue.edu> > *************** > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: RE: Bach for church From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:11:10 -0400   Malcolm writes:   > Really Alan,   > You were thinking of the other official pronunciation of O Mensch bewein > which is, as most music students know, O Wench, Be Mine. With that in = the > bulletin, it becomes quite suitable for a wedding.   > Problem solved.   My teacher Jerald Hamilton liked to tell of the nun who came to him during = a summer course and announced that she would like to play Bach's "Wash it = off" for him.   With that in the bulletin, I suppose it would do nicely for a baptism.    
(back) Subject: Emmanuel Church, Boston From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 12:18:29 -0700   I love Bach cantatas, but I find the expenditure of that amount of effort and money to do them in the context of an Anglican Eucharist every Sunday (!) curious, to say the least. A Bach cantata after the Third Collect at Evensong is entirely appropriate; stopping the Eucharist for 20 minutes or more for the performance of a cantata (or worse, breaking up the movements and scattering them through the service) is not good liturgy in ANYBODY'S book ... high, broad, low, conservative, liberal ...   Now ... if they're doing them in place of the SERMON, *that's* another matter ENTIRELY (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Was My little organ. Stinkens From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:07:43 +1200   >Colin: I was under the impression Stinkens was bought out by = Rodgers...the >electric organ/hybrid manufacturer. Or was it indeed Rogers of UK?   No, not Rodgers, but Rogers of Leeds, England, the pipemakers. Thank = heavens it wasn't the other way.   Ross    
(back) Subject: RE: Dupre and Distler recordings From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:36:54 -0400   Richard Schneider writes:   > I believe the "pivotal" work for the compositions of Hugo Distler is = a recording released > by PAPE Das Kompomistenportrait (Pape Verlag Berlin) of "Hugo > Distler: Das Orgelwerk", recorded by German organist Arno > Sch=F6nstedt a number of years ago. Some of the works were done > on Distler's house organ. I don't know if that disk was ever > re-released on CD or not. Mine is an LP copy, dating from 1976.   Hey, I may I have this LP-- at least I have two LPs of Arno Schonstadt (sp?), although they must have come out a few years before 1976. (Got = a 1974 Dodge Dart when it was a year old, and I could ill afford it, = partly because my prior car had been mildly rear-ended a few minutes after = leaving Schonstedt's master class and recital in Belleville, Ill., at which I = had obtained these two recordings.) =20   My turntable has become too creaky to support much LP listening of = late, alas, so I'm afraid I haven't gotten these out recently. So I don't recall whether the trio sonata is on either recording, but = one of them does have Distler's partita on Wachet Auf, and the other has = David's "Es ist ein Schnitter". Both recordings are splendid and exciting, = both interpretively and sonically, leading me to wish that this performer = were better known.   If the recording Mr. Schneider has in mind is yet a third disk from = Herr Schonstedt, I wouldn't doubt that it is a first-rate account of = Distler's work.      
(back) Subject: Two lighter and irreverent stories (was: Bach for church) From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:16:02 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   ----- Original Message ----- (snipped) From: Malcolm Wechsler <manderusa@earthlink.net> To: PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org>   > You were thinking of the other official pronunciation of O Mensch bewein > which is, as most music students know, O Wench, Be Mine. With that in = the > bulletin, it becomes quite suitable for a wedding.   **Making Anagrams out of Chorale Titles was a favourite sport in my = father's student days in Leipzig. "Durch Adam's Fall ist ganz verderbt" became "Adam's Durchfall ist ganz verderbt"... Regretfully this is an almost untranslatable joke for german reading folks only :)   > ----- Original Message ----- (snipped) > From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>   > > "Oh Mensch bewein' dein Suende gross" in Pentecost time!!- > > I hear you, Andres. I once jokingly proposed it for a wedding. But a > friend "topped" me by recommending instead, "Turn Back, O Man, Forswear Thy > Foolish Ways."   ** That made my day!- In return another anecdote: I was told that a colleague got some argument with the wedding folks - they won't pay the = full wage at last minute or something like that. He locked well the choir door, and started to play the "Funeral march" = from Frederick Chopin on the organ when the bride came in... and enjoyed the heavy, desperate poundings on the door!   Thee hee hee! Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.      
(back) Subject: Re: Bach for church From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:03:33 -0400   On 5/27/03 2:39 PM, "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> wrote:   > An organist friend of mine once told me that she had a couple request "O > Sacred Head Now Wounded" for a wedding processional. She said she = laughed > all the way through it as she was playing. > I really don't know what to say. There are things that are funny, weird, peculiar, idiosyncratic, bizarre--but there are things that just exhaust = my supply of adjectives. I really think that, just in the name of "taste," = in its most elemental sense, I'd have declined. Nicely, of course. SOME = small part of an organist's job, after all, is "teacher."   Uuoisshhh,   Alan      
(back) Subject: Re: Emmanuel Church From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:25:55 -0400   On 5/27/03 3:01 PM, "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote:   > They > have no interest in either the collection plate or parish life. They = treat > it as a free concert and the church as nothing more than a concert hall. > snip   > If and when this happens, it's discouraging and sickening, even > disillusioning. I'd like to think that exposure to good music builds > character. Reports like this are not a recommendation.   Paul, I have no choice but to sign on with you.   I recall when I was in college the head of the music department (Karl = Weiss, Pacific Lutheran Coll./Univ., Tacoma) told us about his student days (in = the 20s) in Vienna. People came by the hundreds to the Stefansdom, took "cathedral chairs" in the nave, and rotated them 180 degrees to face the west gallery, and enjoyed the "mass" for the day.   As most know, times have changed. You arrive, and you're welcome to = proceed beyond the narthex IF you are staying for the mass; otherwise, you're unwelcome. This is not a tourist attraction. And the mass is very = decently done, with good liturgy and preaching. I'm told that the current (or recent?--I think it's ten years since I was there) archbishop gets the credit for (at least) much of the change.   Alan            
(back) Subject: Re: Bach for church From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:36:11 -0400   On 5/27/03 3:11 PM, "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote:   > My teacher Jerald Hamilton liked to tell of the nun who came to him = during a > summer course and announced that she would like to play Bach's "Wash it = off" > for him. > > With that in the bulletin, I suppose it would do nicely for a baptism. > Paul, what're you trying to DO? I happen to be a PARTISAN of nuns! = (Well, OK, "some" nuns--and I'm a Lutheran.)   All nuns, like all LCMS clergy, should be required to take four years of German. (Unless they already have it as a native language, in which case two years will do.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Emmanuel Church, Boston From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 17:40:21 -0400   On 5/27/03 3:18 PM, "quilisma@socal.rr.com" <quilisma@socal.rr.com> wrote:   > I love Bach cantatas, but I find the expenditure of that amount of > effort and money to do them in the context of an Anglican Eucharist > every Sunday (!) curious, to say the least.   I'm a Lutheran, but I certainly agree with Bud.   > Now ... if they're doing them in place of the SERMON, *that's* another > matter ENTIRELY (chuckle).   Now, Bud, be nice. In Leipzig, c. 1740, sermons were boring (and long, beyond description!). But neither your pastor nor mine, c. now, is a = lousy preacher.   But, still . . . well, maybe!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: My little organ From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:14:09 -0400   At 04:06 PM 5/27/2003 +0100, you wrote: >Hello, > >Arie is quite right, the organ is in Dutch "style", >but at least the bottom notes of the 8ft Principal, in >copper, were supplied by Stinkens! > >Actually, the action is Laukhof, and the rest of the >pipework was manufactured by Rogers in the UK, who now >own Stinkens.......it's a small world sometimes. > >I know exactly what Arie means when he speaks about >"big" sounding small organs in Holland. There is a >rich, warmth of tone in many of the Dutch instruments >which the neo-baroque lobby largely ignored in favour >of the louder, brighter tones of Schnitger and >Germany. The German sound has never travelled well to >the UK and the American continent except where the >acoustics are really favourable. > >Interestingly, the lovel Harvard Flentrop set a whole >new trend in America, but how many followed the Dutch >example? > >What always fascinates me about many Dutch organs is >the way in which a great deal of romantic repertoire >can be made to work; especially when there are people >there to help with stop-changes. > >As Arie points out, many organs in Holland are not >particularly famous, but they are usually very musical >to the ear and easy on the eye. > > >Colin Mitchell UK     Colin,   A lot of music works on these Dutch organs, but may not necessarily be totally authentic sounding. Franck and Widor seem to work quite well, = even without swell boxes, but they do not sound like Cavaille Coll organs. Similarly, the big Bach organ works, sound reasonably good, but perhaps not as good as say on a Schnitger or a Silbermann. Actually the Bach chorales sound extremely good on these relatively small Dutch organs.   I think it is the singing quality as well as the blend that make these organs sound the way they do. Also the acoustics usually are good also.   Makes one wonder why not more organbuilders from North America study these =   organs, for their own tonal advancement.   Regards,   Arie V.      
(back) Subject: Re: Emmanuel Church From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 15:42:53 -0700   That was still going on in Italy even later, according to my Chant teacher ... I believe opera was still forbidden during Lent, so all the opera stars would go sing Vespers in the church choirs ... Lord only knows WHAT they sang (chuckle) ... but their fans would turn the chairs to face the choir loft. Since applause was also forbidden, they'd wave handkerchiefs whenever a favorite singer got off a particularly florid passage (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote: > On 5/27/03 3:01 PM, "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote: > > >>They >>have no interest in either the collection plate or parish life. They = treat >>it as a free concert and the church as nothing more than a concert hall. >> > > snip > > >>If and when this happens, it's discouraging and sickening, even >>disillusioning. I'd like to think that exposure to good music builds >>character. Reports like this are not a recommendation. > > > Paul, I have no choice but to sign on with you. > > I recall when I was in college the head of the music department (Karl = Weiss, > Pacific Lutheran Coll./Univ., Tacoma) told us about his student days (in = the > 20s) in Vienna. People came by the hundreds to the Stefansdom, took > "cathedral chairs" in the nave, and rotated them 180 degrees to face the > west gallery, and enjoyed the "mass" for the day. > > As most know, times have changed. You arrive, and you're welcome to = proceed > beyond the narthex IF you are staying for the mass; otherwise, you're > unwelcome. This is not a tourist attraction. And the mass is very = decently > done, with good liturgy and preaching. I'm told that the current (or > recent?--I think it's ten years since I was there) archbishop gets the > credit for (at least) much of the change. > > Alan > > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >