PipeChat Digest #3704 - Wednesday, May 28, 2003
 
position available
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: My little organ
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: My little organ
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
Emmanuel Church
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Re: Bach for church
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Be my guest
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Spanish
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Bach for church
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Bach Cantatas
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Stinkens Orgelpijpenmakers ownership
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: Miriam Duncan, 1919-2003, Rest in Peace
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: My little organ
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3700 - 05/26/03
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Greek to me
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: position available
  by "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca>
Re: position available
  by <Icedad@aol.com>
Re: Stinkens Orgelpijpenmakers ownership
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
Re: Be my guest
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: My little organ
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Be my guest
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: position available From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:25:44 -0700   Dear Colleagues,   I have been diagnosed with borderline Stage Four congestive heart failure (Stage Four is the most advanced). We're going to have to bring an Associate Organist/Choirmaster on board (with the right to succeed me upon my death, permanent disability, or retirement), probably by September ... there's no choir in the summer, and I have a sub who can share the duties, but she's not interested in it ... she's retired (chuckle).   The Vestry still has to work out the details, but it would probably be a part-time position initially ... when I wrote the job description, I think I put in $15K, but that would probably have to go up ... plus most weddings and funerals (average $200 per) ... I only do them for choir members and their families and close friends at this point.   It's a good room, a reasonably good choir, an excellent liturgy, and the new pipe organ's coming (3m Holtkamp ROMANTIC English) (grin). The rector is only MODERATELY crazed; he DOES know I'm virtually irreplaceable (grin). The idea is to bring somebody on board for me to train in traditional Anglican liturgy.   Do you know of anybody who might be interested in relocating to the West Coast? The job will be full-time, sooner than later ... I might retain the title of Composer-in-Residence, but I'm going to have to give the rest up pretty quickly.   If you do, ask them to contact me, either via e-mail or phone: = 714-840-6141.   Cheers,   Bud Clark St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church Newport Beach CA USA      
(back) Subject: Re: My little organ From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:43:39 EDT     --part1_ce.382c8fd7.2c05522b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Arie:   You need to get out more. There are indeed several American builders who build trackers as good or better than anything from the Europaphiles. Three of them are from the Pacific Northwest WA and OR also the midwest, northeast etc.   The elements that make the instruments superior is live acoustics, good scaling and voicing, and appropriate period temperments and a useful specification. Pacific Lutheran University has a real gem. A Pasi is going into a Nebraska Cathedral RC. It may well become a pilgrimage instrument, no split keys IIRC and a shift mechanism for dual temperment well temper, and meantone. Opus14.   I'd say we are being well served by our younger builders. Andres and Gottfried Silbermann would be proud of the results.   Ron Severin   --part1_ce.382c8fd7.2c05522b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Arie:<BR> <BR> You need to get out more. There are indeed several American<BR> builders who build trackers as good or better than anything<BR> from the Europaphiles. Three of them are from the Pacific<BR> Northwest WA and OR also the midwest, northeast etc.<BR> <BR> The elements that make the instruments superior is<BR> live acoustics, good scaling and voicing, and appropriate<BR> period temperments and a useful specification. Pacific<BR> Lutheran University has a real gem. A Pasi is going into<BR> a Nebraska Cathedral RC. It may well become a pilgrimage<BR> instrument, no split keys IIRC and a shift mechanism for<BR> dual temperment well temper, and meantone. Opus14.<BR> <BR> I'd say we are being well served by our younger builders.<BR> Andres and Gottfried Silbermann would be proud of the<BR> results.<BR> <BR> Ron Severin</FONT></HTML>   --part1_ce.382c8fd7.2c05522b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: My little organ From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 19:45:55 EDT     --part1_f2.2d29debf.2c0552b3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/27/03 6:15:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArieV@classicorgan.com writes:     > A lot of music works on these Dutch organs, but may not necessarily be > totally authentic sounding. Franck and Widor seem to work quite well, = even > without swell boxes, but they do not sound like Cavaille Coll > organs. Similarly, the big Bach organ works, sound reasonably good, but =   > perhaps not as good as say on a Schnitger or a Silbermann. Actually the =   > Bach chorales sound extremely good on these relatively small Dutch = organs.   One of the reasons I enjoy playing on organs built in a specific style is = to experience the unique way a finely crafted piece of music will sound on a finely crafted instrument. Played on a Dutch organ, Franck takes on = new beauty; the same works for other composers as well.   > I think it is the singing quality as well as the blend that make these > organs sound the way they do. Also the acoustics usually are good also. > > Makes one wonder why not more organbuilders from North America study = these > organs, for their own tonal advancement.   I believe the answer to your question lies in the last sentence in the = first paragraph. The only Flentrop organs I've heard in this country have been = in very good acoustics. There are probably some unfortunate ones out there, = but i haven't encountered them.       Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502   FEED AN ANIMAL FOR FREE <A = HREF=3D"http://tinyurl.com/2j5i">http://tinyurl.com/2j5i</A> (please it'll = only take a minute!)     --part1_f2.2d29debf.2c0552b3_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>In a message dated = 5/27/0=3D 3 6:15:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ArieV@classicorgan.com writes: <BR> <BR> <BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-=3D LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">A lot of music works on = the=3D se Dutch organs, but may not necessarily be=3D20 <BR>totally authentic sounding. &nbsp;Franck and Widor seem to work quite = we=3D ll, even=3D20 <BR>without swell boxes, but they do not sound like Cavaille Coll=3D20 <BR>organs. &nbsp;Similarly, the big Bach organ works, sound reasonably = good=3D , but=3D20 <BR>perhaps not as good as say on a Schnitger or a Silbermann. = &nbsp;Actuall=3D y the=3D20 <BR>Bach chorales sound extremely good on these relatively small Dutch = organ=3D s.</FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Aria=3D l" LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">One of the reasons I enjoy playing on organs built in a = spec=3D ific style is to experience the unique way a finely crafted piece of music = w=3D ill sound on a finely crafted instrument. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Played = on=3D20=3D a Dutch organ, Franck takes on new beauty; the same works for other = composer=3D s as well. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: = #0000ff 2px so=3D lid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I think it is = t=3D he singing quality as well as the blend that make these=3D20 <BR>organs sound the way they do. &nbsp;Also the acoustics usually are = good=3D20=3D also. <BR> <BR>Makes one wonder why not more organbuilders from North America study = the=3D se=3D20 <BR>organs, for their own tonal advancement.</FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#000000"=3D20=3D SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D3D"Arial" = LANG=3D3D"0"></BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0">I believe the answer to your question lies in the last = sente=3D nce in the first paragraph. &nbsp;The only Flentrop organs I've heard in = thi=3D s country have been in very good acoustics. &nbsp;There are probably some = un=3D fortunate ones out there, but i haven't encountered them. <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D3 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR></FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"Ar=3D ial" LANG=3D3D"0"> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>FEED AN ANIMAL FOR FREE <A = HREF=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/2j5i">http://tinyu=3D rl.com/2j5i</A> (please it'll only take a minute!) <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_f2.2d29debf.2c0552b3_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Emmanuel Church From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:39:54 -0400   I recently had a couple of Sundays off between my last interim job and my new "permanent" job (the use of quotation marks is deliberate and you all know why). I now regret not going to observe the "goings-on" at Emmanuel. I totally agree that the tail seems to be wagging the dog. Having been raised on Smoky Mary's (I was a student of McNeil Robinson) and St. Thomas Fifth Avenue, I have no problem whatsoever with non-congregational church music and the more the merrier. But even at those two establishments, the music is liturgically correct and not an intrusion on the liturgy. I cannot for the life of me figure out how Emmanuel Church justifies a Bach cantata during the eucharist.   Anyway, regarding the fire, here is a link to a newspaper article about it.   http://www.boston.com/news/daily/12/newbury_street.htm   The church also had a page on its web site about the fire. Here is a link to a google cached copy:   http://216.239.37.100/search?q=3Dcache:fTkrVFEQwLsJ:www.emmanuel- boston.org/fire.html+emmanuel+church+boston+fire++organ&hl=3Den&ie=3DUTF-8   My impression is that the Casavant suffered only smoke damage, if that. The cached page has comments that suggest there was interest in restoring the organ; perhaps I'm trying to read something between the lines that isn't there. I suspect this is more than you wanted to know, so I'll stop here.   David Baker    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach for church From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:04:42 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 4:36 PM Subject: Re: Bach for church     > On 5/27/03 3:11 PM, "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote: > All nuns, like all LCMS clergy, should be required to take four years of > German. (Unless they already have it as a native language, in which = case > two years will do.)   In the United States, at least, it would be more useful if both clergy and nuns in the Roman Catholic Church were taught Latin. At least that way = they could communicate. These days it is almost impossible to find Americans = who are prepared to become nuns, so that most of those needed to run = rectories, etc., are imported from South America. Most of these only speak Spanish, and as most priests do not, there is no way for them to communicate with = the priests they are meant to assist. Teaching them English wouldn't hurt either.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: Be my guest From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:07:22 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:48 PM Subject: RE: Be my guest     "And if it turned out that he wasn't accepted at any of > them, then the poor fellow would have no choice but to go to Oxford."   And why would that be such a bad thing?   John Speller, D.Phil. (Oxon.) <g>    
(back) Subject: Spanish From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 18:26:36 -0700   Not a problem in these parts (chuckle) ... it may be "Border Spanglish," but almost everybody speaks enough to get by ... "where's the restroom?" "Where's the freeway?" "Corn tortillas, please" (chuckle).   I can "do" Mass in Spanish ... it's not hard to follow at all if you know Latin.   I guess the days of the (Franciscan?) Sister Servants of St. Joseph are over (sigh) ... their vocation was to take care of priests ... they ran the food service at St. Patrick's Seminary in Menlo Park, CA, and boy, could they COOK! (grin) ... EVERYTHING from scratch ... on-premises bakery and vegetable gardens ... the seminary actually saved money on that ... by farming part of the old estate, they got a tax break.   Those days are gone forever, I suppose ... devout Catholic girls now have a lot more choices than (1) marriage or (2) the convent ... it used to be that second and third (etc.) daughters went to the convent if there wasn't enough money for dowries for them ... and that's within MY lifetime (chuckle), at least among Italians and Hispanics.   But then I ALWAYS hung out in "retro" parishes (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Bach for church From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:45:37 EDT     --part1_14b.1fb88b7d.2c056ec1_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   In a message dated 5/27/2003 5:04:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes:   > >An organist friend of mine once told me that she had a couple request = "O > >Sacred Head Now Wounded   pehaps with a flute soloist and communion to follow   dale   --part1_14b.1fb88b7d.2c056ec1_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" = FACE=3D3D"=3D Georgia Ref" LANG=3D3D"0">In a message dated 5/27/2003 5:04:33 PM Eastern = Dayl=3D ight Time, acfreed0904@earthlink.net writes:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3D3DCITE style=3D3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; = MARGIN-LEFT=3D : 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"></FONT><FONT = COLOR=3D3D"#000000"=3D style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3D2 FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" = FACE=3D3D"A=3D rial" LANG=3D3D"0">&gt;An organist friend of mine once told me that she = had a=3D20=3D couple request "O<BR> &gt;Sacred Head Now Wounded</BLOCKQUOTE><BR> </FONT><FONT COLOR=3D3D"#000000" style=3D3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" = SIZE=3D3D2=3D FAMILY=3D3D"SERIF" FACE=3D3D"Georgia Ref" LANG=3D3D"0"><BR> pehaps with a flute soloist and&nbsp; communion to follow<BR> <BR> dale</FONT></HTML>   --part1_14b.1fb88b7d.2c056ec1_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Bach Cantatas From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 20:58:57 -0500   quilisma@socal.rr.com wrote: > I love Bach cantatas, but I find the expenditure of that amount of > effort and money to do them . . .   <snip> > Now ... if they're doing them in place of the SERMON, *that's* another > matter ENTIRELY (chuckle).   Grace Lutheran, River Forest, IL, has a tradition of monthly Sunday evening Cantatas in conjunction with Evensong Liturgy (Green Hymnal) and have a short homily, followed by the Cantata, then they resume the Liturgy to its conclusion.   Well done, and so much so that my brother, who lives in Michigan, and I would drive up and meet for these and go out for Supper afterwards.   It made for a late evening, but it certainly was worth it!   Faithfully,   G.A. -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: Stinkens Orgelpijpenmakers ownership From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:00:53 -0500   Ross & Lynda Wards wrote:   <Stinkens was bought out>   No, not Rodgers, but Rogers of Leeds, England, the pipemakers. Thank heavens > it wasn't the other way.   When did THIS happen??   Faithfully,   G.A. -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: Re: Miriam Duncan, 1919-2003, Rest in Peace From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:07:25 -0500   "Emmons, Paul" wrote:   > St. Mary's Church in Appleton.   Isn't that the huge German Catholic Church with the Barton organ?   Faithfully,   G.A.   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: Re: My little organ From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:09:36 -0500   ----- Original Message ----- From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: Re: My little organ     > Arie: > > You need to get out more. There are indeed several American > builders who build trackers as good or better than anything > from the Europaphiles.   I would agree. There are several American tracker builders, such as = Fritts, Taylor & Boody and Richards-Fowkes who build instruments that are light years ahead in quality and sound of anything built in Europe. The same is true of the best American electro-pneumatic builders.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3700 - 05/26/03 From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:15:03 -0500   ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Foss" <harfo32@hotmail.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:32 AM Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3700 - 05/26/03     (Oki day - if you speak Greek. My cats are > bilingual.)   Based on a well-known limerick I had always understand that getting cats = to speak Greek was difficult:   There once was a curate of Kew Who kept a cat under a pew. He taught it to speak In New Testament Greek, But it never got further than mu.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: Greek to me From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 21:32:30 -0500   "John L. Speller" wrote:   > Based on a well-known limerick I had always understand that getting cats = to > speak Greek was difficult: > There once was a curate of Kew > Who kept a cat under a pew. > He taught it to speak > In New Testament Greek, > But it never got further than mu.   And here I thought mu was the mythological home of the cartoon character Alley Oop! OOPS! Maybe that's Moo!   ;-)   Faithfully,   G.A. -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: Re: position available From: "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 23:51:25 -0400   Damn!! That's bad news Bud. I hope the doctors can do something for you soon.   You are in our thoughts and prayers. Best wishes for your safe recovery   Nelson Denton and Family.     --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19-May-03  
(back) Subject: Re: position available From: <Icedad@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 00:00:43 EDT     --part1_5b.39880163.2c058e6b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Dear Bud,     I hope you are feeling better. This is sad news, but please trust = in your doctor's and the lord above. You are a wonderful musician and I pray = for your full recovery. You MUST dedicate that 3 m Holtkamp.     God's Blessings,   Daniel,   Port Orange, FL     --part1_5b.39880163.2c058e6b_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Dear Bud,<BR> <BR> <BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I hope you are feeling better. This = is=3D20=3D sad news, but please trust in your doctor's and the lord above. You are a = wo=3D nderful musician and I pray for your full recovery. You MUST dedicate that = 3=3D m Holtkamp. <BR> <BR> <BR> &nbsp; God's Blessings,<BR> <BR> Daniel,<BR> <BR> Port Orange, FL<BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_5b.39880163.2c058e6b_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: Stinkens Orgelpijpenmakers ownership From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:09:09 +1200     ><Stinkens was bought out> Rogers of Leeds, England, the >pipemakers. Thank heavens >> it wasn't the other way. >When did THIS happen??   Not certain, but I think it has been within the last 18 months. someone = else may have the exact date. Ross    
(back) Subject: Re: Be my guest From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:50:18 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   He he!   Why Oxford when there is Leipzig?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> > To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:48 PM > Subject: RE: Be my guest > > > "And if it turned out that he wasn't accepted at any > of > > them, then the poor fellow would have no choice > but to go to Oxford." > > And why would that be such a bad thing? > > John Speller, D.Phil. (Oxon.) <g> > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >   __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html  
(back) Subject: Re: My little organ From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:16:21 +0100 (BST)   Hello,   Am I really qualified to reply I wonder?   Dr John (Oxon) makes a powerful statement which, from what I have gleaned in recent years, may well be true.   I have a problem with the word "anything".....perhaps suggesting that Europe simply doesn't have real organ-builders anymore.   It really comes back to my call for a "list" of notable organ-builders in the 21st century; and one which, when I get around to it, I will sift through and analyse.   French organ building seems to be dead in the water more or less.   English organ-building is in severe if not terminal decline, but Harrison & Harrison continue the quality tradition and Mander have done some fine instruments.   The Germans are doing some good work, and I don't think that Ahrend would agree with John's statement.   In Denmark, Marcussen continue to do some fine work, but their sound does not travel well very often.   Rieger of Austria have done some fine work all around the world, and tonally, they are usually excellent.   Flentrop have done some meticulous restoration work; most notably at Alkmaar in recent years.   Of course, we haven't a corporate clue about Eastern Europe........has anyone any knowledge of organ-builders from this area?   Kenneth Jones (Ireland)has done some magnificent work tonally.   I don't doubt the quality and tonal excellence of American organ-building.....I have been impressed by some that I have heard. My main concern was the blind-alley of the Schnitger/Silbermann obsession, which has produced many horror stories in churches ill-designed to allow this sort of sound to "bloom". Had people not followed slavishly the conclusions of the organ reform movement, they may have used their ears rather than their eyes, and followed a different tradition.   Anyway, I shall stick with Blackburn Cathedral (Walker 1967) as the tonal masterpiece of post-war Europe which, IMHO, has yet to be bettered. It's just a pity that, when it was built, the mechanical/structural quality was a bit "iffy".....but that has been put right in the past year or so........hopefully!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       --- "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote: > There are several American tracker > builders, such as Fritts, > Taylor & Boody and Richards-Fowkes who build > instruments that are light > years ahead in quality and sound of anything built > in Europe>     __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html  
(back) Subject: RE: Be my guest From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 08:43:32 +0100 (BST)   Hello, Yes indeed......two great characters.   The ever polite, gracious and quietly charming Sir David Wilcocks and the down-to-earth, likeable but seldom sober Dr George Guest....two giants of the UK choral tradition.   I wonder if two choirs have ever had so much music written for them since Bach at Leipzig?   How many choirs could produce definitive performances such as the St John Passion at John's, or Britten's "Ceremony of Carols" at the same place. Even Kenneth Leighton's works usually had John's in mind.   King's is....well.....King's.   Apart from the amusing stories, there was a much more serious situation at St.John's when the college decided that the choral tradition should be abandoned. It was George Guest who, with remarkable forsight and courage, hammered the point and resurrected things. There was no boarding school, so Dr Guest had boys staying in family homes throughout Cambridge. The authorities, eager to get to grips and control this situation, finally gave the go-ahead for a full choral foundation with a boarding school attached.....the rest is history!   To have two men of such outstanding ability in the one small city, could so easily have been a clash of egos. Like the giants they were during their tenure of Cambridge, they not only co-existed, but had a great deal of mutual admiration, and yet, the two sounds could not have been more different.   John's was always the "edge tone" choir....sharp, sometimes flamboyant, always dynamic and in touch with the continental sound.   King's was...and is....the perfect refinement of the Anglican tradition, perfected of course, by Boris Ord.   Which is best?   No contest....quite literally.....they are different, and remain so. For Bach....definitely John's. For "In the bleak", definitely King's.   Oxford meanwhile, sing Taverner quite well.....so I'm told.   Now the stories I could tell about Boris Ord.........   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       --- "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> wrote: > Yes, I remember stopping in to a record shop in > Cambridge some years ago. > In bounced two choristers from St. John's, who > went to the choral music bins and placed all the St. > John's records in the > front and the King's records in the back. > >   __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus - For a better Internet experience http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/yplus/yoffer.html