PipeChat Digest #3705 - Wednesday, May 28, 2003
 
Re: Be my guest
  by "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz>
tools
  by "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Bud's Illness
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: My little organ
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
RE: Miriam Duncan, 1919-2003, Rest in Peace
  by "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu>
Bud's Illness
  by "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com>
archives
  by "Scot Stout" <scots@wsba.org>
Re: Bach for church
  by <Cremona502@cs.com>
RE: position available
  by "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: My little organ
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com>
Re: Organ builder nationalism
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
builders foreign and domestic
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
need help
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: need help
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: need help
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: need help
  by "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net>
Re: need help
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: need help
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Be my guest From: "Ross & Lynda Wards" <TheShieling@xtra.co.nz> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:40:56 +1200   >The ever polite, gracious and quietly charming Sir >David Wilcocks   Willcocks, Colin!   Ross    
(back) Subject: tools From: "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 07:33:19 -0400   A note to all:   I have communicated with some of you about the toe cups, reed curving blocks, and toe-hole burners which we offer for sale.   Everything is now in stock, and can be ordered from our website: http://www.sdgorgans.com   The Products page of the website is finished and complete. The rest of it has nothing of substance yet. Just like an organ builder, we do the paying part of the job first.     Jim       "When I reflect upon the number of disagreeable people who I know have gone to a better world, I am moved to lead a different life." ---Pud'nhead Wilson's Calendar ---Mark Twain  
(back) Subject: Bud's Illness From: "First Christian Church of Casey, Illinois" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:53:33 -0500   Bud--though we have never met, I've come to appreciate you through this list. Prayers for your health.   Dennis Steckley   Every gun that is made and every warship that is launched, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed--Dwight Eisenhower        
(back) Subject: Re: My little organ From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 09:04:48 -0700       Colin Mitchell wrote:   > > French organ building seems to be dead in the water > more or less.     This may be true. My experience with current French builders is very limited. However, as I have mentioned before on this list, Aubertin, located between Dole and Bescancon is doing some wonderful work.   Del W. Case Pacific Union College  
(back) Subject: RE: Miriam Duncan, 1919-2003, Rest in Peace From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 12:38:10 -0400   Richard Schneider asks   > Isn't that the huge German Catholic Church with the Barton organ?   That sounds right. Or did the label on the console say "Maxon"? I = remember it as quite a dismal and inadequate old two-manual of about a dozen ranks; but those were my student days in the 1960s when everyone was going for baroque. We wouldn't want to be heard saying anything good about the venerable four-manual Austin at First Methodist either, even if we = secretly liked it. Now, of course, one is delighted that it managed to survive = with so much of its original character intact.   I haven't been in St. Mary's for more than thirty years, so I don't know what, if anything, has been done to the organ since.    
(back) Subject: Bud's Illness From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 11:40:46 -0500   We will be praying for you. The God you've been serving is still faithful to us, and knows our needs.   David E   David Evangelides Internatiional Bible Society Colorado Springs, Colorado     -----Original Message----- From: quilisma@socal.rr.com To: organchat <organchat@egroups.com>, PipeChat <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 16:25:44 -0700 Subject: position available   > Dear Colleagues, > > I have been diagnosed with borderline Stage Four congestive heart > failure (Stage Four is the most advanced). We're going to have to bring > an Associate Organist/Choirmaster on board (with the right to succeed > me > upon my death, permanent disability, or retirement), probably by > September ... there's no choir in the summer, and I have a sub who can > share the duties, but she's not interested in it ... she's retired > (chuckle). > > The Vestry still has to work out the details, but it would probably be > a > part-time position initially ... when I wrote the job description, I > think I put in $15K, but that would probably have to go up ... plus > most > weddings and funerals (average $200 per) ... I only do them for choir > members and their families and close friends at this point. > > It's a good room, a reasonably good choir, an excellent liturgy, and > the > new pipe organ's coming (3m Holtkamp ROMANTIC English) (grin). The > rector is only MODERATELY crazed; he DOES know I'm virtually > irreplaceable (grin). The idea is to bring somebody on board for me to > train in traditional Anglican liturgy. > > Do you know of anybody who might be interested in relocating to the > West > Coast? The job will be full-time, sooner than later ... I might retain > the title of Composer-in-Residence, but I'm going to have to give the > rest up pretty quickly. > > If you do, ask them to contact me, either via e-mail or phone: > 714-840-6141. > > Cheers, > > Bud Clark > St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church > Newport Beach CA USA > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: archives From: "Scot Stout" <scots@wsba.org> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 10:16:27 -0700   This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C3253C.DF8310C0 Content-Type: text/plain   Hello all. I'm new to this list and am wondering if there's a way to = access archived messages more recent than last August. Can someone help?     Thanks,     Scot     ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C3253C.DF8310C0 Content-Type: text/html   <html>   <head> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dus-ascii">     <meta name=3DGenerator content=3D"Microsoft Word 10 (filtered)">   <style> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} p.MsoEnvelopeAddress, li.MsoEnvelopeAddress, div.MsoEnvelopeAddress {margin-top:0in; margin-right:0in; margin-bottom:0in; margin-left:2.0in; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial; text-transform:uppercase;} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle18 {font-family:Arial; color:windowtext;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in; margin:.65in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </style>   </head>   <body lang=3DEN-US link=3Dblue vlink=3Dpurple>   <div class=3DSection1>   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Hello all.&nbsp; I'm new to this list and am wondering = if there's a way to access archived messages more recent than last = August.&nbsp; Can someone help?</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Thanks,</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;</span></font></p>   <p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span = style=3D'font-size:10.0pt; font-family:Arial'>Scot</span></font></p>   </div>   </body>   </html>   ------_=3D_NextPart_001_01C3253C.DF8310C0--  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach for church From: <Cremona502@cs.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:50:12 EDT     --part1_121.226379d5.2c0650d4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Finally remember to check my Bach books....   The short prelude that I really like is BWV 567 on page 56 of the Widor-Schweitzer. It's a great little piece and works well with a trio = movement following; the Prelude can be repeated again to "frame" it.   The Prelude and Fugue in C, BWV 545 (Weimar) is the one with the nice bell =   motif in the fugue. It's a wonderful piece and is elegant without being "snooty" and is very listener-friendly.   Neat stuff!     Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui in the Muttastery at Howling Acres http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502   FEED AN ANIMAL FOR FREE <A = HREF=3D"http://tinyurl.com/2j5i">http://tinyurl.com/2j5i</A> (please it'll = only take a minute!)     --part1_121.226379d5.2c0650d4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2>Finally remember to = check=3D my Bach books.... <BR> <BR>The short prelude that I really like is BWV 567 on page 56 of the = Widor-=3D Schweitzer. &nbsp;It's a great little piece and works well with a trio = movem=3D ent following; the Prelude can be repeated again to "frame" it. <BR> <BR>The Prelude and Fugue in C, BWV 545 (Weimar) is the one with the nice = be=3D ll motif in the fugue. &nbsp;It's a wonderful piece and is elegant without = b=3D eing "snooty" and is very listener-friendly. <BR> <BR>Neat stuff! <BR> <BR> <BR>Bruce, with Miles, Molly and Degui &nbsp;in the Muttastery at Howling = Ac=3D res http://members.tripod.com/Brucon502 = &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR> <BR>FEED AN ANIMAL FOR FREE <A = HREF=3D3D"http://tinyurl.com/2j5i">http://tinyu=3D rl.com/2j5i</A> (please it'll only take a minute!) <BR></FONT></HTML>   --part1_121.226379d5.2c0650d4_boundary--  
(back) Subject: RE: position available From: "andrew meagher" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:03:44 -0400   Bud,   I enjoy your posts and hope you feel better soon. My prayers are with = you.   Andrew Meagher   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of quilisma@socal.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 7:26 PM To: organchat; PipeChat Subject: position available     Dear Colleagues,   I have been diagnosed with borderline Stage Four congestive heart failure (Stage Four is the most advanced). We're going to have to bring an Associate Organist/Choirmaster on board (with the right to succeed me upon my death, permanent disability, or retirement), probably by September ... there's no choir in the summer, and I have a sub who can share the duties, but she's not interested in it ... she's retired (chuckle).   The Vestry still has to work out the details, but it would probably be a part-time position initially ... when I wrote the job description, I think I put in $15K, but that would probably have to go up ... plus most weddings and funerals (average $200 per) ... I only do them for choir members and their families and close friends at this point.   It's a good room, a reasonably good choir, an excellent liturgy, and the new pipe organ's coming (3m Holtkamp ROMANTIC English) (grin). The rector is only MODERATELY crazed; he DOES know I'm virtually irreplaceable (grin). The idea is to bring somebody on board for me to train in traditional Anglican liturgy.   Do you know of anybody who might be interested in relocating to the West Coast? The job will be full-time, sooner than later ... I might retain the title of Composer-in-Residence, but I'm going to have to give the rest up pretty quickly.   If you do, ask them to contact me, either via e-mail or phone: = 714-840-6141.   Cheers,   Bud Clark St. Matthew's Anglican Catholic Church Newport Beach CA USA       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org    
(back) Subject: Re: My little organ From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@classicorgan.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:12:53 -0400   At 09:09 PM 5/27/2003 -0500, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> >To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 6:43 PM >Subject: Re: My little organ > > > > Arie: > > > > You need to get out more. There are indeed several American > > builders who build trackers as good or better than anything > > from the Europaphiles. > >I would agree. There are several American tracker builders, such as = Fritts, >Taylor & Boody and Richards-Fowkes who build instruments that are light >years ahead in quality and sound of anything built in Europe. The same = is >true of the best American electro-pneumatic builders. > >John Speller     John, Ron, and list,   I am familiar with these names, but haven't heard them. I have heard very =   good things about them though. But still the majority of American as well =   as a lot of Canadian built organs from the last 50 years don't even come close to the sound of these fairly small Dutch organs. I have heard a number of organs here in decent acoustics, but it is more than just = acoustics.   I have my doubts that American builders are so superior to European builders. Maybe if someone on this list wins the lottery, we can collectively go to Europe and see for ourselves what is being done over there.   Being a Canadian, I would venture to say, from what I have heard, that Canadian builders are every bit as good as the American builders. It = seems that most Canadian builders get their bread and butter from American = clients.   Regards,   Arie V.      
(back) Subject: Re: Organ builder nationalism From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 13:41:11 -0700       Arie Vandenberg wrote:   > > Being a Canadian, I would venture to say, from what I have heard, that > Canadian builders are every bit as good as the American builders. It = seems > that most Canadian builders get their bread and butter from American = clients. >     There are certainly some outstanding builders in the Montreal area, most of them spin-offs from Casavant. And, Montreal has one of the finest, most diverse collections of organs in all of North America.   Del W. Case Pacific Union College (USA)  
(back) Subject: builders foreign and domestic From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 14:06:48 -0700   I think it speaks volumes about the state of European organ-building that an American builder (Fisk) is building in the cathedral in Lausanne, Switzerland. There SHOULD have been a Swiss or French builder they could have gone to for a Cavaille-Coll-inspired instrument; perhaps there is, but one doesn't hear much of Cavaille-Coll-inspired instruments being built in France or Switzerland these days.   What IS going on in France (chuckle)? I know that the Church is all but moribund ... Mass attendance is at 2%, if that ... perhaps there's no money / interest? St. Ouen is closed; it's only used for the occasional concert. The big Paris churches have only one or two Masses on Sunday, and they aren't full, for the most part.   Personally, I would put the organs that Fritts and Richards have built (both separately and together) up against ANYTHING that's coming out of continental Europe ... I haven't heard some of the other younger American builders, but I've certainly heard ABOUT them, in superlatives.   And John Brombaugh stands in a class by himself ... somebody recently characterized him as "The Rolls-Royce of organ builders." I think that's a fair assessment.   For all that the Harvard Flentrop more-or-less sparked a revolution, I think we have a much higher regard for Flentrop (for instance) in this country than they do in Europe, as far as his NEW work is concerned ... the restorations are another story.   American inferiority is an old story ... Boston Music Hall went to Germany and Walcker when they had Hook & Hastings right there in Boston, building organs that in the long run were superior both tonally and mechanically to Walcker. Certainly Immaculate Conception and Holy Cross can hold their own against anything of the period in Europe.   At the risk of repeating myself, it's time to build some organs inspired by THOSE monumental instruments and the world-class voicing they contain.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: need help From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:49:16 -0400   my church just began a capital improvement program and is raising money to = renovate the entire complex, not including the organ. the organ we have = is dying (thankfully) and the church is well aware of it. it's not a = well-liked instrument, fortunately.   one of the improvements to the complex is an acoustical renovation of the = dead sanctuary. i've heard some people say that it's better to plan for a = new organ BEFORE the renovation is done, and other people say it's better = to wait until the renovation is done, and then plan for the new organ. to = me, it seems logical to wait, since it would be easier for whatever organ = builder we choose to design something based on the new acoustics, instead = of trying to guess what the room will sound like before it's even = finished.   what are your thoughts on this?   thanks.  
(back) Subject: Re: need help From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:06:34 -0700   Oh my STARS! Choose an organ-builder, or at least an impartial consultant, before you do ANYTHING. It's not just a matter of acoustics; it's a matter of space, load requirements, conduits, etc. etc., etc.; whether or not you can afford a pipe organ right now, you must PREPARE for a pipe organ if you're EVER to have one. And there isn't an electronic instrument on the market that won't benefit from spacious chambers, etc.   Our organ project took off AFTER the plans for our new church were out to bid, and it cost us $30K in change orders thereafter to accommodate the pipe organ.   The builder needs to work WITH the architect/contractor, NOT after the fact. And be sure you have an acoustical consultant who understands acoustics, and doesn't want to sell you wall-to-wall carpeting and $50K of electronic "enhancements." Shen, Milson, Wilke, Paoletti and Associates are among the best, and they have offices nationwide ... we did everything with them by phone, fax, and computer.   The result: a church that seats 150, with 2 1/2 - 3 seconds reverb when the church is FULL. It's a GLORIOUS space for preaching AND singing.   Cheers,   Bud   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > my church just began a capital improvement program and is raising money = to renovate the entire complex, not including the organ. the organ we = have is dying (thankfully) and the church is well aware of it. it's not a = well-liked instrument, fortunately. > > one of the improvements to the complex is an acoustical renovation of = the dead sanctuary. i've heard some people say that it's better to plan = for a new organ BEFORE the renovation is done, and other people say it's = better to wait until the renovation is done, and then plan for the new = organ. to me, it seems logical to wait, since it would be easier for = whatever organ builder we choose to design something based on the new = acoustics, instead of trying to guess what the room will sound like before = it's even finished. > > what are your thoughts on this? > > thanks. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Re: need help From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:15:08 -0400   Hey bud. Thanks for your e-mail. The situation isn't quite as bad as I = made it sound...   the church currently has a 1952 wicks of 37 ranks buried in the side walls = of the chancel, the two sides facing each other, so there's plenty of = space now even if the great & pedal aren't placed on the back wall of the = chancel like i'd prefer. but the space for the chests, blower, ducts, = shades, etc., is all there because we've already got a pipe organ.   also, a choir member just got his doctorate in acoustics and he will be = the one we'll work with. he, the music director, the clergy, and the = entire CONGREGATION realize that the room is acoustically dead and we all = hate it! because of limited space on the block, we can't expand any of = the 1952 buildings in any way. all we can do is renovate what we have, = which includes nearly everything down to the boiler (original), plumbing = (original), wiring (original), etc.   the bad part is that the organ was not included in any part of the = improvement plans. the good part is that the amount pledged is WAY over = what they were expecting, which is why i'm hoping some can be used for a = new instrument.      
(back) Subject: Re: need help From: "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:21:58 -0700 (PDT)   If the accoustics of the room are improved, I'm sure the organ might not be as bad. Maybe, some tonal finishing might bring some salvation to it.   Travis     --- BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > Hey bud. Thanks for your e-mail. The situation > isn't quite as bad as I made it sound... > > the church currently has a 1952 wicks of 37 ranks > buried in the side walls of the chancel, the two > sides facing each other, so there's plenty of space > now even if the great & pedal aren't placed on the > back wall of the chancel like i'd prefer. but the > space for the chests, blower, ducts, shades, etc., > is all there because we've already got a pipe organ. > > also, a choir member just got his doctorate in > acoustics and he will be the one we'll work with. > he, the music director, the clergy, and the entire > CONGREGATION realize that the room is acoustically > dead and we all hate it! because of limited space > on the block, we can't expand any of the 1952 > buildings in any way. all we can do is renovate > what we have, which includes nearly everything down > to the boiler (original), plumbing (original), > wiring (original), etc. > > the bad part is that the organ was not included in > any part of the improvement plans. the good part is > that the amount pledged is WAY over what they were > expecting, which is why i'm hoping some can be used > for a new instrument. > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital > organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: need help From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:38:11 -0400   In a message dated 5/28/2003 6:21:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, = tevansmo@prodigy.net writes:   > If the accoustics of the room are improved, I'm sure > the organ might not be as bad. Maybe, some tonal > finishing might bring some salvation to it.   the problems are more than just tonal. the toaster is literally falling = apart -- in a service a few months ago, a stopknob fell off onto the jamb = during the sermon! the flutes are nondescript, the reeds have little = color, the diapasons are thick & muddy, and there is absolutely no = brilliance. there's even little space to add new ranks unless the great & = pedal are placed on the back wall of the chancel (currently the great & = choir are buried on one side and the swell is on the other).   i'm sure better acoustics would make the organ sound more reverberant, but = then we'd just have a bad organ that's falling apart in a good room.  
(back) Subject: Re: need help From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 16:53:02 -0700   Um, OK (grin) ... but don't discard your 1952 Wicks out of hand ... you'll pay a pretty penny to replace some of those large-scale bass pipes.   Somebody who knows what they're doing can work miracles with rescaling and revoicing what's there, without doing anything ELSE. You might need to modernize the console and the relays ... I presume the organ's on electro-mechanical chests ... you just about CAN'T kill those.   In your situation, it might be well NOT to do anything about the organ until the renovations are finished ... you might be pleasantly surprised. Our wretched old Allen organ sounds like a very middle-class Moller in our new space (up to about MF, anyway); it was excruciating in the old chapel.   Cheers,   Bud   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > Hey bud. Thanks for your e-mail. The situation isn't quite as bad as I = made it sound... > > the church currently has a 1952 wicks of 37 ranks buried in the side = walls of the chancel, the two sides facing each other, so there's plenty = of space now even if the great & pedal aren't placed on the back wall of = the chancel like i'd prefer. but the space for the chests, blower, ducts, = shades, etc., is all there because we've already got a pipe organ. > > also, a choir member just got his doctorate in acoustics and he will be = the one we'll work with. he, the music director, the clergy, and the = entire CONGREGATION realize that the room is acoustically dead and we all = hate it! because of limited space on the block, we can't expand any of = the 1952 buildings in any way. all we can do is renovate what we have, = which includes nearly everything down to the boiler (original), plumbing = (original), wiring (original), etc. > > the bad part is that the organ was not included in any part of the = improvement plans. the good part is that the amount pledged is WAY over = what they were expecting, which is why i'm hoping some can be used for a = new instrument. > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >