PipeChat Digest #3706 - Wednesday, May 28, 2003
 
Re: archives
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
that pesky Wicks
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: Emmanuel Church, Boston
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: Be my guest
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: that pesky Wicks
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
recovering one's property
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: need help
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Wicks redux
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: that pesky Wicks
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Renovate the Wicks
  by "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net>
Re: that pesky Wicks
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Wicks redux
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Renovate the Wicks
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: that pesky Wicks
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Re: Renovate the Wicks
  by "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com>
Organ Clearing House, Wicks
  by <quilisma@socal.rr.com>
Re: that pesky Wicks
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Bach for church
  by <Markhedm@cs.com>
Re: that pesky Wicks
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
32' Bourdon
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: Organ Clearing House, Wicks
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: that pesky Wicks
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: archives From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:21:47 -0400   Hi Scot, and welcome to Pipechat. Please permit me to offer some sage advise first of all by suggesting you read and follow the guidelines pertaining to plain text posting to this list. You are obviously using some sort of HTML ridden email program, and using it here could make you rather unpopular. Our gracious hosts on this forum are full time organ builders who are quite busy enough with that, but still find the time to administrate this list (and several others organ related), for which the load is staggering. The one area that seems to suffer is the archives because they are very time consuming to organize and make available. I know that David used vacation time to create the update last August. Since 9/1/2002 there have been 6713 messages posted to this list (as of 8pm EST today), and I do have all of them saved. There are 2 ways to send them to you. The first (and I don't even want to think about it) is to open up each message individually, and forward it to you. I would probably need to work full time for a month to do this, so that's out unless you are looking for just a few specific ones. The other way is to convert my browser file into a MS Word document. The big drawback here is the file ends up reading like a disorganized digest form and contains any and all the HTML gobbledygook. If you are patient, you can indeed glean the list content from such a file, but it is a chore. If anything else, it will quickly teach you why we don't like HTML content sent to the list. So, let me know what you need Scot. I am able to search all the list content by subject or by keyword in the contents of each message, so if you are after some specifics, this might be best. If you want the whole thing in a digest, I can do that too. Again, welcome aboard Pipechat. We also do live chats on Monday and Friday nights at 9pm EST via IRC, so consider joining us there as well. Cheers Mike   Scot Stout wrote:   > Hello all. I'm new to this list and am wondering if > there's a way to access archived messages more recent > than last August. Can someone help? > > Thanks, > > Scot >    
(back) Subject: that pesky Wicks From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:34:00 -0700   In our new organ, we're re-using 11 ranks of a very nondescript 1966 Moller that we bought and put in storage a couple of years ago. All the pipes will be rescaled and revoiced ... some of the old Great principals will go to the Swell, some will go to the Pedal, some of the old flutes will be recast as a Cornet, etc.   A fifty-year-old console that's been in regular use probably DOES need replacing, but even there you can save by rebushing the keyboards and pedals and re-using the console shell with all new innards.   As to sound, bringing the Great chest forward even one foot can make a world of difference ... and/or opening up the tonal egress.   Is the organ OTHER than the console in good shape mechanically?   Have you checked the shades? Do they open fully? Are they AIMED the right direction? Is the interior of the chambers hard, sealed surfaces?   If you can AFFORD a new organ, GO FOR IT ... but 37 speaking stops (not ranks) at today's prices would be right around $750K for ALL-new work .... and before the organ-builders on here start flaming me, yes, I KNOW, some of you can do a rebuild for less, and do it well, providing you're in the right part of the country, etc.   The other route, of course, is a recycled organ from Organ Clearing House, or elsewhere, and there are some real beauties available from time to time. But again, a quality restoration of a fine Skinner, or a Kilgen, or a Kimball, or a signficant 19th century tracker is NOT going to come CHEAP. Nor are they necessarily easy to configure to fit your space.   I would have LOVED to have that Roosevelt that Sebastian Gluck was trying to save, but we didn't have the SPACE, and our main church is 10 years down the road ... Stage One of our new organ will be installed in the interim church, approximately 1/2 of the finished instrument for the main church.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: Emmanuel Church, Boston From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:41:04 -0400   As a point of interest, the Bach cantata at Emmanuel Boston is done AFTER = the Eucharist is over but before the postlude.   Merry Foxworth   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).   http://ibo.bww.com/foxworth password: foxy    
(back) Subject: Re: Be my guest From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:13:34 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:50 AM Subject: Re: Be my guest     > Hello, > > He he! > > Why Oxford when there is Leipzig? > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK > > --- "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> > wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Emmons, Paul" <pemmons@wcupa.edu> > > To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:48 PM > > Subject: RE: Be my guest > > > > > > "And if it turned out that he wasn't accepted at any > > of > > > them, then the poor fellow would have no choice > > but to go to Oxford." > > > > And why would that be such a bad thing? > > > > John Speller, D.Phil. (Oxon.) <g>   It depends whether you wish to know nothing about everything (as I do) or everything about nothing (as they do in Leipzig.)   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: that pesky Wicks From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:36:20 -0500     ----- Original Message ----- From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 7:34 PM Subject: that pesky Wicks     > In our new organ, we're re-using 11 ranks of a very nondescript 1966 > Moller that we bought and put in storage a couple of years ago. All the > pipes will be rescaled and revoiced ... some of the old Great principals > will go to the Swell, some will go to the Pedal, some of the old > flutes will be recast as a Cornet, etc.   Old Moller pipework tends to revoice very well. (Oops! Perhaps I should say, voice for the first time <g>) Don't knock this, however, as it is = well made and many other kinds of pipework don't revoice at all well.   > > A fifty-year-old console that's been in regular use probably DOES need > replacing, but even there you can save by rebushing the keyboards and > pedals and re-using the console shell with all new innards.   That is certainly true. Using the woodwork of a good a secondhand console could well save you at least $20,000. > > As to sound, bringing the Great chest forward even one foot can make a > world of difference ... and/or opening up the tonal egress.   John Speller    
(back) Subject: recovering one's property From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 18:59:25 -0700   I've been on both sides of this (chuckle) ... on the one side, you MAY NOT attach someone's property for non-payment of rent, accounts receivable, or any OTHER reason WITHOUT A JUDGMENT *and* something else .... I forget right now the name of it ... something to do with the sheriff ... writ of execution? ... which ISN'T issued until 30 days after the judgment, to allow the party to pay up.   On the other side, years ago I (briefly) had a fractious RC choir who decided they were going to force me to do something (I think it was sing Peloquin's Mass of the Bells) ... they emptied the choir loft of all the choir music AND my personal library of organ music. When I arrived, they presented a list of demands ... they would hold it all hostage until I complied.   I marched downstairs to the rectory and fetched the pastor. "If that music isn't back here in ONE HOUR, I'm calling the POLICE." He got nowhere with the choir; it wasn't, and I did. The nice policeman explained to the choir that they were guilty of theft, and, given the insured value of my library, GRAND theft.   I took that "KICK ME" sign off my ample posterior a LONG time ago = (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: need help From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:06:50 -0400   In a message dated 5/28/2003 6:53:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, = quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   > but don't discard your 1952 Wicks out of hand ... > you'll pay a pretty penny to replace some of those > large-scale bass pipes.   oh, believe me -- that 16' open wood ain't going ANYWHERE!!! that thing = shakes the floor! i just wish it was also at 32'.  
(back) Subject: Wicks redux From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:20:08 -0700   You might have a builder look at it ... if it's of sufficient scale, it MIGHT make you a 32' Bourdon, but not all the way down ... depending on scale, perhaps to G or F# ... if you were to add INDEPENDENT quint pipes from there, so they could be tuned true, you could possibly get a seamless 32' sound, if placement and acoustics are right. I'm a great believer in that, rather than digital substitutes ... here in SoCal on the ocean, the lifespan of sub-woofers is about 15 years at the most.   We didn't have a 16' Open Wood, so we're doing 12 independent quint pipes for the low octave of the 32' Resultant, at least until the organ is moved to the main church and completed ... we'll have the room there for the low 12, if we have the money.   Cheers,   Bud   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/28/2003 6:53:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, = quilisma@socal.rr.com writes: > > >>but don't discard your 1952 Wicks out of hand ... >>you'll pay a pretty penny to replace some of those >>large-scale bass pipes. > > > oh, believe me -- that 16' open wood ain't going ANYWHERE!!! that thing = shakes the floor! i just wish it was also at 32'. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Re: that pesky Wicks From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:21:47 -0400   bud,   there are a few ranks i wouldn't mind saving on this instrument, but most = i find just plain ugly. the choir gamba i used ONCE in the last 4 years, = and only as a special effect in a comic dale wood piece. as far as the = console goes, i have yet to feel comfortable with it. the only thing i = like is the ivory keys. but it feels like it's just not quite AGO = standard... something's amiss & i can't figure it out. for one thing, = the swell, choir, great, and never-installed-echo EACH have their own = expression pedals, which means the crescendo is extremely far to the = right. there are only 6 generals, and some stops simply never capture.   one interesting problem is that every time i turn on the organ, at least = one swell key doesn't work (no stops work on that key). but it's always = different each time i turn it on. aggravating.   the swell shades all open on the great & choir. the swell is behind me, & = i've never bothered to look if they all open. i think the great & choir = shades open the wrong direction, though... towards the back of the = chancel. go figure.   i thought the organ clearing house went out of business when laufman died. = did it start up again?   i grew up in memphis, and the 1928 kimball in the civic auditorium would = be too big in my church, otherwise i'd try to get it. but 30" of pressure = on the reeds would blow out the windows. my church is big but not THAT = big.   scot  
(back) Subject: Renovate the Wicks From: "First Christian Church of Casey, IL" <kzrev@rr1.net> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:28:30 -0500   Sounds to me like a wonderful opportunity to renovate what you've got. = The Wicks "chassis" is extremely reliable and durable. Get a new console if = you need one, and have all that pipework revoiced to better serve.   I don't know where you're located, but it sounds like a job custom made = for Rich Schneider and Schneider Pipe Organs.   Dennis Steckley & A Six-Pack of Cats _________________ the problems are more than just tonal. the toaster is literally falling apart -- in a service a few months ago, a stopknob fell off onto the jamb during the sermon! the flutes are nondescript, the reeds have little = color, the diapasons are thick & muddy, and there is absolutely no brilliance. there's even little space to add new ranks unless the great & pedal are placed on the back wall of the chancel (currently the great & choir are buried on one side and the swell is on the other).   i'm sure better acoustics would make the organ sound more reverberant, but then we'd just have a bad organ that's falling apart in a good room.        
(back) Subject: Re: that pesky Wicks From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:29:54 -0400   In a message dated 5/28/2003 8:36:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, = jlspeller@mindspring.com writes:   > Old Moller pipework tends to revoice very well. (Oops! Perhaps I should > say, voice for the first time <g>) Don't knock this, however, as it is = well > made and many other kinds of pipework don't revoice at all > well.   some organbuilder friends of mine told me that wicks' pipework does NOT = revoice well at all. one's exact words were, "there's almost nothing you = can do with it." and of course, my instrument is a wicks.  
(back) Subject: Re: Wicks redux From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:34:16 -0400   In a message dated 5/28/2003 10:20:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, = quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   > You might have a builder look at it ... if it's of sufficient scale, it > MIGHT make you a 32' Bourdon, but not all the way down ... depending on > scale, perhaps to G or F# ... if you were to add INDEPENDENT quint pipes =   > from there, so they could be tuned true, you could possibly get a > seamless 32' sound, if placement and acoustics are right.   i actually asked a tonal director if it was possible to stop a 16' open = wood to make a 32' bourdon, and he said it was, but the result would not = be satisfactory. what i'd love is what's in st. mary's episcopal = cathedral in memphis -- a 32' untersatz... it is quiet enough that you = can use it with the flute celeste, yet it is clear on full organ, too. = just heaven.  
(back) Subject: Re: Renovate the Wicks From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:37:49 -0400   In a message dated 5/28/2003 10:28:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, = kzrev@rr1.net writes:   > Sounds to me like a wonderful opportunity to renovate what you've got. = The > Wicks "chassis" is extremely reliable and durable. Get a new console if = you > need one, and have all that pipework revoiced to better > serve.   i'm in seattle. the northwest is full of behind-the-times neo-baroque = freaks who want an 8' quintadena and 20 ranks of mixtures on each = division. what i wouldn't give for a late e.m. skinner, or an = aeolian-skinner when ernie & donnie were still friends.  
(back) Subject: Re: that pesky Wicks From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:39:05 -0500   Pipechat list member John from Aspen will surely disagree with your organbuilder friends. John, if you're listening, why don't you retell = your organ project story.   My own experience with Wicks pipework is that it _is_ well made, just not voiced well.   Ray     ----- Original Message ----- From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> To: ""PipeChat"" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 10:29 PM Subject: Re: that pesky Wicks     > In a message dated 5/28/2003 8:36:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlspeller@mindspring.com writes: > > > Old Moller pipework tends to revoice very well. (Oops! Perhaps I = should > > say, voice for the first time <g>) Don't knock this, however, as it = is well > > made and many other kinds of pipework don't revoice at all > > well. > > some organbuilder friends of mine told me that wicks' pipework does NOT revoice well at all. one's exact words were, "there's almost nothing you can do with it." and of course, my instrument is a wicks.  
(back) Subject: Re: Renovate the Wicks From: "Ray Ahrens" <Ray_Ahrens@msn.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:41:21 -0500     > i'm in seattle. the northwest is full of behind-the-times neo-baroque freaks who want an 8' quintadena and 20 ranks of mixtures on each = division. what i wouldn't give for a late e.m. skinner, or an aeolian-skinner when ernie & donnie were still friends. >     Check out www.keyboardtrader.com. There's a church in Ohio (?) that wants to get rid of its E.M. Skinner Opus 540.   Ray  
(back) Subject: Organ Clearing House, Wicks From: <quilisma@socal.rr.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 20:47:13 -0700   Organ CLearing House is alive and well, under the direction of John = Bishop.   http://www.organclearinghouse.com/instruments/index.html   You might actually consider talking to the new tonal director at Wicks .... he's an Anglican, and seems to want to move in that direction ... they've built a couple of rather significant romantic instruments recently, some based on the famous Willis-Wicks. Just stay away from the digi-widgets (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/28/2003 10:28:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, = kzrev@rr1.net writes: > > >>Sounds to me like a wonderful opportunity to renovate what you've got. = The >>Wicks "chassis" is extremely reliable and durable. Get a new console if = you >>need one, and have all that pipework revoiced to better >>serve. > > > i'm in seattle. the northwest is full of behind-the-times neo-baroque = freaks who want an 8' quintadena and 20 ranks of mixtures on each = division. what i wouldn't give for a late e.m. skinner, or an = aeolian-skinner when ernie & donnie were still friends. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >        
(back) Subject: Re: that pesky Wicks From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:47:38 -0400   In a message dated 5/28/2003 10:39:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, = Ray_Ahrens@msn.com writes:   > Pipechat list member John from Aspen will surely disagree with your > organbuilder friends. John, if you're listening, why don't > you retell your organ project story.   i'm open to ANYTHING right now... not a thing has been done except accept = pledges. i want to find out all i can before i go to the pastor. if this = organ could be renovated, revoiced, and added to just a bit, i'd be very = happy. oh, and a new cockpit, of course...  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach for church From: <Markhedm@cs.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:49:42 EDT     --part1_16e.1f2a0755.2c06dd56_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit   Organ works of J.S. Bach and other composers can be found on the web at = Free Sheet Library. Uses PDF files.   http://www.bh2000.net/score/orgbach/     --part1_16e.1f2a0755.2c06dd56_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=3D"US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable   <HTML><FONT FACE=3D3Darial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=3D3D2 = FAMILY=3D3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D =3D3D"Arial" LANG=3D3D"0">Organ works of J.S. Bach and other composers can = be fo=3D und on the web at Free Sheet Library. Uses PDF files.<BR> <BR> http://www.bh2000.net/score/orgbach/<BR> <BR> </FONT></HTML> --part1_16e.1f2a0755.2c06dd56_boundary--  
(back) Subject: Re: that pesky Wicks From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:51:17 -0400   here's the current stoplist of my 1952 toaster:   Great - 11 16' Contra Gemshorn (X) 8' First Principal 8' Second Principal 8' Quintaten 8' Gemshorn 4' Octave 4' Harmonic Flute 2-2/3' Twelfth 2' Fifteenth III Mixture 8' Tuba (CH) 4' Clarion (CH) Chimes GG16'-4' Great Unison Off Great Off Tremolo   Swell - 13 16' Flute Conique (X-Spitzflute) 8' Geigen Principal 8' Gedeckt 8' Spitzflute 8' Viola 8' Viola Celeste 8' Echo Salicional 4' Principal 4' Flauto Traverso 2-2/3' Nasard 2' Piccolo 16' Contra Fagotto (X) 8' Trumpet 8' Fagotto 8' Vox Humana 4' Clarion (X) SS16'-4' Swell Unison Off CS Tremolo   Choir - 7 8' Gamba 8' Waldflute 8' Dulciana 8' Unda Maris 4' Spitzprincipal 4' Dolcan (X) 2-2/3' Rohr Nasat (X) 2' Flageolet (X) 1-3/5' Tierce (X) 8' Harmonic Tuba 8' Clarinet Celesta (prepared) CC16'-4' Choir Unison Off Tremolo   Pedal - 9 32' Resultant 32' Acoustic Bass 16' Open Diapason (X) 16' Principal 16' Bourdon 16' Violone 16' Gemshorn (GT) 16' Flauto Dolce (SW-Spitzflute) 10-2/3' Quint 8' Octave 8' Major Flute 8' Cello (X) 8' Flute 5-1/3' Octave Quint (X) 4' Superoctave 4' Flute 16' Trombone (Ch) 8' Tuba (Ch)   X - extended   i didn't even bother to write down the echo because it was never = installed.  
(back) Subject: 32' Bourdon From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 22:53:58 -0500   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: <if it's of sufficient scale, it MIGHT make you a 32' Bourdon>   > i actually asked a tonal director if it was possible to stop a 16' open = wood to make a 32' bourdon, and he said it was, but the result would not = be satisfactory.   Uhm, he wrong.   I did a VERY successful one for the First Mennonite Church Organ in Berne, IN. I also have a sister to it warehoused in the shop currently. Goes all the way down, thanks!   > what i'd love is what's in st. mary's episcopal cathedral in memphis -- = > a 32' untersatz... it is quiet enough that you can use it with the > = flute celeste, yet it is clear on full organ, too. just heaven.   Definition of Heaven: First Mennonite Church, Berne, IN. You can do exactly that on that stop!   Sorry, gang. Selfish self-aggrandizement!   Faithfully,   G.A. -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: Re: Organ Clearing House, Wicks From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:55:29 -0400   In a message dated 5/28/2003 10:47:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, = quilisma@socal.rr.com writes:   > You might actually consider talking to the new tonal director at Wicks > ... he's an Anglican, and seems to want to move in that direction ... > they've built a couple of rather significant romantic instruments > recently, some based on the famous Willis-Wicks. Just stay > away from the digi-widgets (grin).   i'm way ahead of ya, bud... :) i spoke with him a few months ago. had a = nice VERY long chat about what type of instrument i like most, and he = seemed to know exactly what i have in mind. but then, i've talked to = other builders who say that, but judging from their installations, they = don't have a clue. and wicks hasn't earned its reputation based on = nothing. you know what i mean, and so do they, especially their tonal = director (whose name escapes me at the moment).   i just don't want to convince my church to go with wicks because they make = a bunch of attractive promises, then end up with an organ that's just like = all the rest. i do NOT want other organists to say, "told you so."  
(back) Subject: Re: that pesky Wicks From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 23:47:23 -0500   > here's the current stoplist of my 1952 toaster:   Why are you referring to this as a "Toaster"? That term is usually reserved for non-pipe instruments.   Just wondering. . .   Faithfully, -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS