PipeChat Digest #4086 - Saturday, November 1, 2003
 
Re: wedding rehearsals
  by <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com>
Re: wedding rehearsals
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Wedding Rehearsals
  by <RVScara@aol.com>
Re: wedding rehearsals
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
RE: Wedding Rehearsals
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: What are we playing in November?
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: wedding rehearsals
  by "John & Fran Meyers" <jack-fran1@cox.net>
Re: What are we playing in November?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Wedding Rehearsals
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Not really anything yo do with wedding rehearsals!
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: wedding rehearsals
  by "Anya/Andreas" <atal@sympatico.ca>
RE: wedding rehearsals
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: wedding rehearsals
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
RE: Wedding Rehearsals
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
RE: What are we playing in November?
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: wedding rehearsals
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: wedding rehearsals
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: What are we playing in November?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: What are we playing in November?
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Roll Call
  by <RVScara@aol.com>
Re: wedding rehearsals
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
 

(back) Subject: Re: wedding rehearsals From: <DarrylbytheSea@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 07:13:10 EST   Hey, Y'all!   When I was at Coral Ridge, the wedding policy stated that the organist's = fee included consultation, rehearsal and wedding. Now, of course, I tried to = do all consultations on the phone or during office hours (that's a nice thing = about being full-time), but occasionally had to stay late and do a 6:00 or so because of work schedules of the bridge and groom. I routinely told the = bride that if either of the mothers were present for the consultation, I would charge =   double!   In all honesty, I really don't mind rehearsals. I tell the minister (or = the wedding nazi-in-charge) that I would appreciate it if we could the = processional and recessional first and then I could go. AND I also told them I was only =   contracted for 1 hour.   But let's face it, folks, 3 hours of work for $250 is a pretty good hourly =   rate!   Yours,   Darryl Miller aka Darryl by the Sea    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding rehearsals From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 10:04:30 -0500   On 10/31/03 7:30 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote:   > A propos of that, I'd like to know the sense of the group re organists' > presence at wedding rehearsals. Does it really serve any useful = purpose? > Rehearsals tend to take longer than the wedding service itself.   Well, choir rehearsal lasts longer than the sum of the anthems and stuff, too. But, anyway, I think that "organist-at-rehearsal" just varies with = the situation. My pastoral experience was mostly in smallish parishes with maybe two to six weddings a year. Maybe not even. Inexperienced = organists WANTED to be there, so they'd know what's going on (especially with this crazy new pastor), and so they could get invited to the rehearsal dinner. But I can see your point. Many churches have weddings every weekend = (except in Lent), and it's ridiculous for the organist to have to attend all those rehearsals. He or she can surely anticipate any needs by that time, and with all that experience.     > [Wedding consultant] must have been pretty proud of her work, as she = typed up > the program on her computer the morning of, misspelling Saturday as = Sayurday > and Zion Lutheran as Lion Lutheran. Though maybe a change of name would = do us > some good. Oh yes: she listed the entrance of the mothers after the = entrance > of the bride. > Good grief. And three cheers for parishes that don't ALLOW a wedding consultant on the premises.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Wedding Rehearsals From: <RVScara@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:22:59 EST   I've played in RC churches for 56 years and early on stopped going to = wedding rehearsals. Often, at that last minute, mothers or others present would want to "listen" to the music selected by the couple and offer opinions = and suggest changes. Those discussions prolonged the already lengthy = rehearsals so pastors and I usually agreed that my presence was not a good thing and I = advise the couples of this ahead of time....I will not be there. I don't get = Darryl's $250, which might change my attitude a bit; only $125 for the service and = a short rehearsal an hour before the wedding with a soloist if necessary. = RC rule changes are coming out in the next few weeks which reportedly will = alter or eliminate some of those "added attractions" such as the candle ceremony, taking flowers over to the Blessed Virgin statue just before leaving the = church, etc. I will be happy to post them when the final editions are issued. My = most irritating recent experience was the last minute addition, without notice, = of a bagpiper outside the church, playing before up until the mothers entered =   and immediately after as the couple came back down the aisle. I had to = stop prelude organ music and then go outside to ask the piper to cease and = desist and let the soloist sing at least one of the songs listed in the program. = It's just one big show these days!    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding rehearsals From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 07:18:57 -0800   On 11/1/03 7:04 AM, Alan Freed said something about:   > Good grief. And three cheers for parishes that don't ALLOW a wedding > consultant on the premises.   Oh, I don't know about that... Let's not overlook the entertainment value.   Three months ago I played a wedding at a wonderful Presbyterian church in town, on their relatively new Flentrop. It was for friends of mine -- or, more accurately, the bride is a friend of mine. (The groom now is, also.)   The wedding "coordinator" was an immensely versatile and multi-talented woman. So much so, in fact, that she deemed herself equipped and qualified to march herself up to the organ and enlighten me to certain facts of the prelude I was playing, such as "the first part was really too loud, and = when you got to the second part, it was so soft that I could hardly hear it, = and it was too much of a contrast in sound levels." Not volume. Not dynamics. Sound levels. She also had two or three other 'intelligent' comments. I nodded seriously after each one, and thanked her profusely for her = tutelage.   We then began the second run through. I played everything exactly as I had the first time, down to the last detail. The "coordinator" was standing = back in exactly the same spot. After I finished playing all of the pre-ceremony music, I asked her, "how was that?" She replied, "that was so much better. Perfect."   Yes. Yes, it was.          
(back) Subject: RE: Wedding Rehearsals From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 09:33:19 -0600   I find it extremely weird but true that people will reject organ music in favor of bagpipes or trumpets or guitars. Now if I had a church guitarist who could play like Stevie Ray or Eddie Van Halen, or a piper who could play like the guy in the original Riverdance troupe, now . . . ..=20   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com (who has asked her husband for drumming lessons - organists need to diversify)     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of RVScara@aol.com Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:23 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Wedding Rehearsals   <cut> My most irritating recent experience was the last minute addition, without notice, of a bagpiper outside the church, playing before up until the mothers entered=A0and immediately after as the couple came = back down the aisle.=A0 I had to stop prelude organ music and then go outside to =A0ask the piper to cease and desist and let the soloist sing at = least one of the songs listed in the program.=A0 It's just one big show these days!      
(back) Subject: Re: What are we playing in November? From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 10:55:23 -0500   Tomorrow morning, All Saints Sunday,11/02 at St. Pauls UMC, Allison Park, PA   Prelude: Festmarch from Tannheuser - Wagner Offert: Pie Jesu - Faure (with a soprano) Postlude: improvised   Between services - Requiem by John Leavitt, with orchestra and combined = choirs   -WG      
(back) Subject: Re: wedding rehearsals From: "John & Fran Meyers" <jack-fran1@cox.net> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 08:15:35 -0800   Well, in the case of Old Mission San Luis Rey here in Southern Cal, this Roman Catholic parish provides their own staff wedding coordinators (paid) for all weddings at the Mission. They work with the bride, groom and families and the staff organist, and all the extra duties that entails. It makes it easier for the priest and every one else. The Mission is almost a wedding mill, with multiple weddings almost every weekend. The fees are enormous. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 7:04 AM Subject: Re: wedding rehearsals     > On 10/31/03 7:30 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote: > > > A propos of that, I'd like to know the sense of the group re = organists' > > presence at wedding rehearsals. Does it really serve any useful purpose? > > Rehearsals tend to take longer than the wedding service itself. > > Well, choir rehearsal lasts longer than the sum of the anthems and = stuff, > too. But, anyway, I think that "organist-at-rehearsal" just varies with the > situation. My pastoral experience was mostly in smallish parishes with > maybe two to six weddings a year. Maybe not even. Inexperienced organists > WANTED to be there, so they'd know what's going on (especially with this > crazy new pastor), and so they could get invited to the rehearsal = dinner. > But I can see your point. Many churches have weddings every weekend (except > in Lent), and it's ridiculous for the organist to have to attend all = those > rehearsals. He or she can surely anticipate any needs by that time, and > with all that experience. > > > > [Wedding consultant] must have been pretty proud of her work, as she typed up > > the program on her computer the morning of, misspelling Saturday as Sayurday > > and Zion Lutheran as Lion Lutheran. Though maybe a change of name = would do us > > some good. Oh yes: she listed the entrance of the mothers after the entrance > > of the bride. > > > Good grief. And three cheers for parishes that don't ALLOW a wedding > consultant on the premises. > > Alan > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: What are we playing in November? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:32:56 -0500   On 11/1/03 10:55 AM, "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> wrote:   > Between services - Requiem by John Leavitt, with orchestra and combined = choirs > Oh, my! How very NICE! Let's hear it for the Methodists today!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Wedding Rehearsals From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:48:39 -0500   On 11/1/03 10:22 AM, "RVScara@aol.com" <RVScara@aol.com> wrote:   > I will be happy to post them [the new RC rules on weddings] when the = final editions are issued. > I will be looking forward to that. Thank you! > > My most irritating recent experience was the last minute addition, = without > notice, of a bagpiper outside the church, playing before up until the = mothers > entered and immediately after as the couple came back down the aisle. I = had > to stop prelude organ music and then go outside to ask the piper to = cease and > desist and let the soloist sing at least one of the songs listed in the > program.   In most cities there are municipal ordinances that forbid making noise out in the street in such a fashion as to disrupt religious services; call the cops. (Or Glenda!)   Alan      
(back) Subject: Not really anything yo do with wedding rehearsals! From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:44:08 -0500     From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>   Who mentioned: - After I finished playing all of the pre-ceremony music, I asked her, "how was that?" She replied, "that was so much better. Perfect."   Eric and all,   When I was an apprentice toolmaker, I had a Foreman who ALWAYS gave back anything that I had done with a list of things that I should do again, - properly!   I used to put the offending piece at the back of my bench, until he asked = if I had done whatever it was that he wanted. I would then give it to him, just as I had left it on my bench, and he would ALWAYS say, - "That's = better Bob, - why couldn't you do it like that the first time?"   So I think that I know the feeling that an organist might have with a "Wedding Consultant"!   Good luck Guys and Ladies!   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding rehearsals From: "Anya/Andreas" <atal@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:54:14 -0500   You're far too kind... I would have told the coordinator exactly where she could stuff her = advice! Isn't there a saying about not suffering fools lightly?   Andreas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 10:18 AM Subject: Re: wedding rehearsals     > On 11/1/03 7:04 AM, Alan Freed said something about: > > > Good grief. And three cheers for parishes that don't ALLOW a wedding > > consultant on the premises. > > Oh, I don't know about that... Let's not overlook the entertainment = value. > > Three months ago I played a wedding at a wonderful Presbyterian church = in > town, on their relatively new Flentrop. It was for friends of mine -- = or, > more accurately, the bride is a friend of mine. (The groom now is, = also.) > > The wedding "coordinator" was an immensely versatile and multi-talented > woman. So much so, in fact, that she deemed herself equipped and = qualified > to march herself up to the organ and enlighten me to certain facts of = the > prelude I was playing, such as "the first part was really too loud, and when > you got to the second part, it was so soft that I could hardly hear it, and > it was too much of a contrast in sound levels." Not volume. Not = dynamics. > Sound levels. She also had two or three other 'intelligent' comments. I > nodded seriously after each one, and thanked her profusely for her tutelage. > > We then began the second run through. I played everything exactly as I = had > the first time, down to the last detail. The "coordinator" was standing back > in exactly the same spot. After I finished playing all of the = pre-ceremony > music, I asked her, "how was that?" She replied, "that was so much = better. > Perfect." > > Yes. Yes, it was. > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: RE: wedding rehearsals From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:45:29 -0600     > On 11/1/03 7:04 AM, Alan Freed said something about: > > > Good grief. And three cheers for parishes that don't ALLOW a wedding > > consultant on the premises.   Well, I realized when I hit "REPLY" that Alan was referring to outside consultants, but I will say that we at Holy Trinity have our OWN, my wife being one of them, and their work is invaluable to ours! They make sure everything is in place, and they're there to get the bridesmaids moving (when organ starts, start walking.....uhhh...I don't get it). They're = also there to ENSURE that the bride doesn't freeze up waiting for "Here Comes = the Bride" which isn't going to happen. This has happened to me THREE TIMES, = in two different churches, where the bride picked out something else, did it right at the rehearsal, and then at the actual service, totally lost her mind and was waiting for HCTB. The worst part is everyone's looking at ME like I'm the idiot!   Anyway, these three gals work hard, and I, for one, am grateful to have = them there! Of course, this is not relevant to this thread because I'm sure = Alan meant outside consultants who don't know squat about that particular = church.   Jeff    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding rehearsals From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 12:30:31 -0600     On Friday, October 31, 2003, at 06:30 PM, Randolph Runyon wrote:   > A propos of that, I'd like to know the sense of the group re organists' > presence at wedding rehearsals. Does it really serve any useful > purpose?   I've seldom had a wedding complex enough to make my presence at rehearsal valuable. So years ago, I started telling brides that of course I could be at the rehearsal if they wished but that I would have to charge them for my time. End of problem, end of rehearsals and I've never had even the slightest bad feelings over the policy.   > > Had a wedding a couple of weeks ago in which at least one bridesmaid's > shoulder tatoo was glaringly visible next to the straps on her gown > and the > "wedding consultant" made sure her name was printed in the program.   Glory be, in forty-four years I've never been subjected to a "wedding consultant"! Can my good luck hold?   Russ    
(back) Subject: RE: Wedding Rehearsals From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:47:49 -0600   > I find it extremely weird but true that people will reject organ music > in favor of bagpipes or trumpets or guitars. Now if I had a church > guitarist who could play like Stevie Ray or Eddie Van Halen, or a piper > who could play like the guy in the original Riverdance troupe, now . . .   Well, you know what, though? It's THEIR wedding and so it really SHOULD = be the way THEY want it to be (within reason, of course.) But I agree...nothing says CEREMONY like a dignified organ processional. (Captalization for emphasis on those words only...<G> I'm never sure if everyone can see underlines or bolded text)   I like the idea of the piper....I love other styles of music, like the Celtic sound and I LOVE African drum beats. We saw The Lion King recently at the St. Louis Fox Theatre, and I loved every moment....   But I digress... :)   Jeff    
(back) Subject: RE: What are we playing in November? From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:50:49 -0600   Tomorrow Morning, All Saints Sunday at Holy Trinity Lutheran Church, St. Louis.   PRELUDE: "Ye Watchers and Ye Holy Ones" by David Schack (CPH). This is a neat piece! OFFERING: "Behold a Host Arrayed in White", set by Charles Ore (CPH) POSTLUDE: "I Know that My Redeemer Lives" by Michael Burkhardt = (MorningStar)   Does anyone else do a "Roll Call of Faith"? During the prayers, each name that was submitted (member or non-member) gets read, following by the tolling of a handbell (G3) and a votive candle on the altar gets lit (Red for members, White for non....we have only FIVE reds, and a dozen or so whites)   Of course, I'm tempted to try using the electronic carillon, currently run by a laptop computer, but I'd have to walk to the back sound room and no guarantees if it'll even cooperate. Better stick with the bell...   Jeff    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding rehearsals From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 13:49:49 -0500   On 11/1/03 1:45 PM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> wrote:   > Anyway, these three gals work hard, and I, for one, am grateful to have = them > there! Of course, this is not relevant to this thread because I'm sure = Alan > meant outside consultants who don't know squat about that particular = church.   You're absolutely right, Jeff. Someone else mentioned a similar case. A wedding consultant who is the CHURCH's person (whether a formal = staffperson or not) is GREAT. Just another right arm for the pastor and the musician(s). SUCH a person knows who's the boss, and what's expected. No complaint about THAT at ALL!   (For Lee and Keith's [of this list] wedding in June, Shirley [from another list] and one of her seminary professors--who's a 42-years-long friend of mine--and I were ALL the wedding consultants/planners. Took a load off pastor and Felix [of this list]! It went just fine. Shirley was crucifer and I even delivered the homily!)   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: wedding rehearsals From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:56:24 -0600   No kidding....I think I'd maybe look for something to complain about on = HER job and maybe she'll realize. You know, Eric's story below is one that I got a kick out of. THAT is the kind of irritating coordinator I'm sure = Alan was referring to. I think I've been lucky to maybe have only suffered = that once, if even that. Be sure to roll your eyes though! :)   IF I ever have that sort of thing in the church I play for, I'll be a LOT less tolerant of that as opposed to visiting somewhere else. Kinda like home territory, I guess. The only negative thing I've ever experienced = was a wedding I attended with my girlfriend, who was IN the wedding. Afterwards, she asked me to get the groomsmen to come in for pictures, and = I SWEAR I heard her say "QUICKLY!" as I was walking out of the church. I = was only like 18 or 19 then, so naturally mum was the word. The other one was one of those HCTB moments I mentioned earlier, and the ONLY way I could = get the bride in was to play it, and then got bawled out by the pastor because it's not allowed. What would YOU have done???   Jeff   PS: do a lot of you practice the actual preservice music at the rehearsal as well?     > > You're far too kind... > I would have told the coordinator exactly where she could stuff > her advice! > Isn't there a saying about not suffering fools lightly? > > Andreas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> > > The wedding "coordinator" was an immensely versatile and = multi-talented > > woman. So much so, in fact, that she deemed herself equipped > and qualified > > to march herself up to the organ and enlighten me to certain > facts of the > > prelude I was playing, such as "the first part was really too loud, = and > when > > you got to the second part, it was so soft that I could hardly hear = it, > and > > it was too much of a contrast in sound levels." Not volume. Not > dynamics.    
(back) Subject: Re: What are we playing in November? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 14:01:55 -0500   On 11/1/03 1:50 PM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> wrote:   > Does anyone else do a "Roll Call of Faith"? During the prayers, each = name that > was submitted (member or non-member) gets read, following by the tolling = of a > handbell (G3) and a votive candle on the altar gets lit (Red for = members, > White for non....we have only FIVE reds, and a dozen or so whites) > Have done that, in various ways, since 1959. Usually incorporated into = the Intercessions of the day. Don't think I've ever done the candle bit, but the bell, yes. At St. Luke's we use the tower bell. In other places I've used whatever there IS. (We generally have only one or two members--or = even none; but a fair bunch of nonmembers.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: What are we playing in November? From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 14:10:57 -0500   Yes, we do it too, on a low chime. Also the candles.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu       > On 11/1/03 1:50 PM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> wrote: > >> Does anyone else do a "Roll Call of Faith"? During the prayers, each = name >> that >> was submitted (member or non-member) gets read, following by the = tolling of a >> handbell (G3) and a votive candle on the altar gets lit (Red for = members, >> White for non....we have only FIVE reds, and a dozen or so whites) >> > Have done that, in various ways, since 1959. Usually incorporated into = the > Intercessions of the day. Don't think I've ever done the candle bit, = but > the bell, yes. At St. Luke's we use the tower bell. In other places = I've > used whatever there IS. (We generally have only one or two members--or = even > none; but a fair bunch of nonmembers.) > > Alan >    
(back) Subject: Roll Call From: <RVScara@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 14:57:29 EST   yes, with a votive candle lit as each name is called, soft organ music in = the background. Used to have the names on slips of paper and, after each name =   was read, the slips were put into a metal bowl containing a small fire! = With 40-50 names of parishoners who die in the previous 12 months, it caused = too much concern, with the smoke and flames, so we stopped that business. Another Druidic ritual?    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding rehearsals From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 12:03:30 -0800   On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 10:56 AM, Jeff White wrote:   > THAT is the kind of irritating coordinator I'm sure Alan > was referring to. I think I've been lucky to maybe have only suffered > that > once, if even that.   I agree -- not all coordinators are troublemakers. Church appointed coordinators have always seemed to be top-notch, exceedingly gracious, and have known when to butt in and when to leave well enough alone. The 'professional wedding consultants,' on the other hand, are a different story. But it's easy to see why they'd want to micromanage every detail -- their paychecks are dependent upon an utterly successful event.   Eric -- by the way, it sure is nice to see this list talking about organ music again.. for awhile, I really wondered if I was reading CNN.com!