PipeChat Digest #4087 - Sunday, November 2, 2003
 
Re: Roll Call
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Bagpipes
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: Mother of the Bride
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
Re: wedding rehearsals (rambling; sorry)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: wedding rehearsals
  by "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip@quik.com>
Re: wedding rehearsals
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Unwanted spam
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Re: Unwanted spam
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Unwanted spam
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: Unwanted spam
  by "Stephen Best" <sbest@borg.com>
Re: Unwanted spam
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: Unwanted spam
  by "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com>
RE: Unwanted spam
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Yahoogroups.
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: Unwanted spam
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Re: Unwanted spam
  by "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com>
Re: Unwanted spam
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Unwanted spam
  by "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Roll Call From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:14:51 EST   Two adjectives that immediately come to mind describing current our faith practices are earthly, and petty. They once wrote sins down on paper and = burned them at my church. Pretty simple minded stuff. Do we really need to burn =   paper and light candles to change the way we think and behave? DOES IT = WORK??? No! Talk about going through the motions. So childish and depressing. I =   really dont believe that God intended for this kind of thing to happen, or = for there to be all these silly denominational disputes and arguments. The = way to Christ is to conduct ones self, and to make daily decisions in a Christian =   manner. Its really quite simple to do, simply stop and ask yourself, "How = would I like it if they talked about me that way etc...? The main problem with = this method is that too many people simply do not have the will power to do it. = But is burning paper and having idiotic ceremonies the answer? NO. Good = sermons are the answer.   gfc    
(back) Subject: Bagpipes From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:08:09 -0500   Things are different everywhere. There are a lot of people around here strongly attached to their Scots heritage. They raise the red long haired Scottish Highland cattle, and breeds of other animals that come from there too. There are 2 bagpipe bands that march in parades, both mostly extended families, and every once in a while there is a wedding with a bagpiper who plays inside the church. It's very ceremonial, he marches and plays down the aisle and all the way around the inside of the sanctuary and back out, then the wedding = party enters to the usual organ music. Then he plays to welcome the new couple outside after the wedding. I think it's interesting and fun. Something different. Oh yes, this definitely is mountain country (even though the locals = call them hills), and they are definitely American highland Scots with clan connections, and proud of it.   Diane S.   --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Information Boulevard's Virus = Scanning]    
(back) Subject: Re: Mother of the Bride From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 15:29:48 -0500   Sorry I did not get back to you last night about the runner. I got = sort of run over by Halloween. From what I've seen and what I've learned from other people, only = about half the weddings use a runner lately. And it kind of depends on when the groomsmen or ushers put the runner down. If the mother of the bride isn't seated yet, she walks on it. I did. I had a whole herd of girls upstairs getting dressed, trying = to find everything, coping with the usual last minute disasters and nerves, fixing hair and dealing out flowers, with the photographer man knocking on the door. I didn't kill him--------however......... I got them all lined up and on the stairway down into the front foyer, on time, with me at the bottom, and waited while the last people came hustling in the front door. 2 of the fellows saw us, grabbed the runner and did their thing very nicely, then one came to escort me, so at that point I didn't have much choice. I found out since that happens a lot.   Diane   > > And yes, the mother of the bride is the first member of the wedding > party, the first one to walk on the white carpet if there is one.     Diane, I agree with you about respecting the mother of the bride. I am = only writing to ask about what I quote above. It doesn't jive with the many weddings I've seen, where the aisle runner goes down after the mothers are seated, not before. Does it go down just before the mothers come in in = your experience?     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org     --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Information Boulevard's Virus = Scanning]     --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Information Boulevard's Virus = Scanning]    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding rehearsals (rambling; sorry) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 15:43:53 -0500   On 11/1/03 1:56 PM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> wrote:   > the ONLY way I could get the bride in [GEAR] was to play [Here > Comes], and then got bawled out by the pastor because it's not allowed. = What > would YOU have done???   Gee, I hope you're not asking ME! It's easy to say, "Just keep playing until her "giver-away" gives her a shove. But that's too easy to just "say." It's also too easy (but honest) to say I'd not have played "Here Comes"--"honest" for the simple reason that I don't know it. Ignorance is sometimes bliss. (Maybe send the groom out to get her?)   Similarly to Bud, I never did "Marryin' Sam" weddings; ALWAYS at least one of the couple was a member, so there was some awareness of what to expect. Best is weddings of people whom you've instructed for confirmation. Premarital counseling and planning were almost totally unnecessary. Not TOTALLY, but almost.   I don't think I ever had an even mildly problematical wedding. It'll sound like bragging (and maybe it is), but, while I was never a stunner in the pulpit, I DID enjoy a good reputation for doing decent weddings, baptisms, and funerals. And enjoyed doing them (yes, all of them)   Oh, wait; there was ONE. Groom had family problems, so he moved out of his parents' home and lived with the bride's family for a while. (OK. THEIR problem.) But then one Friday night they eloped. So I got an early Saturday a.m. phone call: "Find 'em; bring 'em back; have the wedding at church!" from the bride's mother. She HAD to see (only) daughter's wedding= .. (This was a prominent family in the parish; bride's uncle was Council President forever; her father had been our organist prior to my time.)   I knew Mama's almost-son-in-law better than she did, so was able to find them, and talked them back to town by 2 p.m., and we had the wedding--just your basic unplanned, but she got to see her kid married. Except that by sundown or so her drugs wore off, and she never DID retrieve the FAINTEST memory of the event. (I have NO idea what adults of the late 60s/early 70s "took" in those days=8Bsome kind of =B3downer=B2 I think.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: wedding rehearsals From: "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip@quik.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 16:34:50 -0600   This is for what it is worth: I play occasional weddings for two local churches and go through wedding coordinators. Both of them have been wonderful allies and have saved me lots of grief. On the other rare occasion I meet others along the way, I have always found them not = difficult to reason with. Maybe it's just my charm and good looks!   Richard Hazelip ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:04 AM Subject: Re: wedding rehearsals     > On 10/31/03 7:30 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote: > > > A propos of that, I'd like to know the sense of the group re = organists' > > presence at wedding rehearsals. Does it really serve any useful purpose? > > Rehearsals tend to take longer than the wedding service itself. > > Well, choir rehearsal lasts longer than the sum of the anthems and = stuff, > too. But, anyway, I think that "organist-at-rehearsal" just varies with the > situation. My pastoral experience was mostly in smallish parishes with > maybe two to six weddings a year. Maybe not even. Inexperienced organists > WANTED to be there, so they'd know what's going on (especially with this > crazy new pastor), and so they could get invited to the rehearsal = dinner. > But I can see your point. Many churches have weddings every weekend (except > in Lent), and it's ridiculous for the organist to have to attend all = those > rehearsals. He or she can surely anticipate any needs by that time, and > with all that experience. > > > > [Wedding consultant] must have been pretty proud of her work, as she typed up > > the program on her computer the morning of, misspelling Saturday as Sayurday > > and Zion Lutheran as Lion Lutheran. Though maybe a change of name = would do us > > some good. Oh yes: she listed the entrance of the mothers after the entrance > > of the bride. > > > Good grief. And three cheers for parishes that don't ALLOW a wedding > consultant on the premises. > > Alan > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: wedding rehearsals From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 20:15:29 -0500   On 11/1/03 5:34 PM, "Richard Hazelip" <rhazelip@quik.com> wrote:   > Maybe it's just my charm and good looks!   I'm certainly glad to hear of good experiences. You must be either VERY charming or VERY goodlooking. Or from Minnesota or Florida or someplace where people are just naturally NICE!   Seriously: Good for you, Richard!   Alan    
(back) Subject: Unwanted spam From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:30:34 -0800   Did anyone else get email from "scb44484@cs.com" with an invitation to join a Yahoo! Group centered on pipe organs?   I did, and sent an email back asking how this person acquired my email address, and was told:   fair enough question answer not exactly certain but i imagine from the internet sounds like maybe you are unhappy   I don't know where my address might have been acquired, but I suppose it could be someone trolling amid us.   This person wouldn't even supply his/her name at the end of his/her response. Doesn't sound like any group with which I'd ever want affiliation.   Eric    
(back) Subject: Re: Unwanted spam From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 20:37:25 -0500   Eric,   I also received the same message , - but I had my doubts about it, - I = was rather suspicious of the e-mail address. I am very wary about = receiving a virus via unknown attachmants or addresses, so I deleted it.   I think that we all have to be on our guard against such possibilities.   Bob Conway ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Eric McKirdy=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 8:30 PM Subject: Unwanted spam     Did anyone else get email from "scb44484@cs.com" with an invitation to = join a Yahoo! Group centered on pipe organs?=20   I did, and sent an email back asking how this person acquired my email = address, and was told:=20   fair enough question answer not exactly certain but i imagine from the internet sounds like maybe you are unhappy   I don't know where my address might have been acquired, but I suppose = it could be someone trolling amid us.=20   This person wouldn't even supply his/her name at the end of his/her = response. Doesn't sound like any group with which I'd ever want = affiliation.   Eric    
(back) Subject: Re: Unwanted spam From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 19:46:19 -0600   At 5:30 PM -0800 11/1/03, Eric McKirdy wrote: >Did anyone else get email from "scb44484@cs.com" with an invitation >to join a Yahoo! Group centered on pipe organs? > >I did, and sent an email back asking how this person acquired my >email address, and was told: > >fair enough question >answer >not exactly certain but i imagine from the internet >sounds like maybe you are unhappy > >I don't know where my address might have been acquired, but I >suppose it could be someone trolling amid us. > >This person wouldn't even supply his/her name at the end of his/her >response. Doesn't sound like any group with which I'd ever want >affiliation.   I just checked the Subscriber list and didn't find that address although i do have a feeling that I know who the person is. There is a person that has started all sorts of Pipe Organ groups on yahoo for his own "sounding board" I have a feeling that person is the one that sent you the invite.   I would appreciate getting a copy of the email that anyone gets WITH ALL THE HEADERS so I can do a bit of research.   David -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: Unwanted spam From: "Stephen Best" <sbest@borg.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 20:50:38 -0500   I tried to contact Eric McKirdy about his post and got the message that HIS e-mail address was invalid! Hmmm....   I also got one of those invitations to join a new pipe organ group, but deleted it since I can hardly keep up with the ones I'm part of now!   Steve Best in Utica, NY   Eric McKirdy wrote:   > Did anyone else get email from "scb44484@cs.com" with an invitation to > join a Yahoo! Group centered on pipe organs? > > I did, and sent an email back asking how this person acquired my email > address, and was told: > > fair enough question > answer > not exactly certain but i imagine from the internet > sounds like maybe you are unhappy > > I don't know where my address might have been acquired, but I suppose > it could be someone trolling amid us. > > This person wouldn't even supply his/her name at the end of his/her > response. Doesn't sound like any group with which I'd ever want > affiliation. > > Eric        
(back) Subject: Re: Unwanted spam From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:04:19 EST   In a message dated 11/1/03 8:31:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu writes:   << Did anyone else get email from "scb44484@cs.com" with an invitation to join a Yahoo! Group centered on pipe organs? >>   I got the message and joined the group. There have been a few posts, = seems to be a legitimate group. I assume the list-owner got names from this = list. Since it was on-topic I wasn't bothered by it.   Richard Spittel  
(back) Subject: Re: Unwanted spam From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 18:22:09 -0800   I checked it out using a mobile device (to avoid possible virus), and it appears to be a valid Yahoo Group. Not sure how 'Groups' work, however. Are they like this list where messages come to your E-Mail, or do you have to log in each time to view messages?   > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eric McKirdy > > Did anyone else get email from "scb44484@cs.com" with an invitation > to join a Yahoo! Group centered on pipe organs?     David E   David Evangelides Fulfillment Manager International Bible Society Colorado Springs, CO 80921  
(back) Subject: RE: Unwanted spam From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:35:33 -0500   Eric - Actually the group membership is by invitation only -- the invite you received is from the moderator of the group -- who also happens to belong = to several of the other pipe organ/church organ groups. You name and e-mail address was probably found because of recent postings to one of the groups to which he belongs ---you might accept the invitiation and then if you're not happy with the list then just drop your membership...     The groups actually has quite a large number of people already who are currently discussing things such as just-temperament instruments as well = as pipe organ construction. Give it a try -- you might just like it. Tom Hoehn, Organist Roaring 20's Pizza & Pipes, Ellenton, FL (substitute - 4/42 Wurlitzer) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL (4/9?- = Rodgers/Ruffati/Wicks) CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS/DTOS/AGO http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Eric McKirdy Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 8:31 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Unwanted spam     Did anyone else get email from "scb44484@cs.com" with an invitation to join a Yahoo! Group centered on pipe organs?   I did, and sent an email back asking how this person acquired my email address, and was told:   fair enough question answer not exactly certain but i imagine from the internet sounds like maybe you are unhappy   I don't know where my address might have been acquired, but I suppose it could be someone trolling amid us.   This person wouldn't even supply his/her name at the end of his/her response. Doesn't sound like any group with which I'd ever want = affiliation.   Eric    
(back) Subject: Re: Yahoogroups. From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:36:11 EST   In a message dated 11/1/03 9:23:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, davide@theatreorgans.com writes:   << Are they like this list where messages come to your E-Mail, or do you have to log in each time to view messages? >>   They can work either way, or you can get your messages in daily digests. There are myriad groups at yahoogroups, you can sign up for a free = 'membership' at <A HREF=3D"http://login.yahoo.com/config/login?.src=3Dygrp&partner=3D&.v=3D&.u= =3D&.intl=3Dus&.done=3Dhttp%3a//groups.yahoo.com">Click here: Sign In - = Yahoo! Groups</A> .. Once you're signed up, you can search for groups on almost any topic = your heart desires. Some lists are quite active, and some are very small and = you might get one message every year from them.   There is one possible downside which I think might be related to = yahoogroups. I use this screen name to subcribe to several dozen music-related groups, = and I seem to get more SPAM at this screen name than others that I use. And = the other screen names are only used for a couple of yahoogroups. Of course, = your mileage may vary.   Richard Spittel  
(back) Subject: Re: Unwanted spam From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 20:27:31 -0800   On Saturday, November 1, 2003, at 05:50 PM, Stephen Best wrote:   > I tried to contact Eric McKirdy about his post and got the message=20 > that HIS e-mail address was invalid! =A0 Hmmm....   That's bizarre. It's the address to which I receive all of my PipeChat=20=   email! I don't know what to tell you, except to please try again, if=20 you wish.   Eric    
(back) Subject: Re: Unwanted spam From: "littlebayus@yahoo.com" <littlebayus@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 21:09:37 -0800 (PST)   Some Yahoo groups (in fact, maybe all... I'm just not sure) give you a choice: read the postings on the web, or, if you wish, have the postings sent to you by e-mail...   For example, there is one group I prefer to read on the web now and then when I have time... there is another group whose postings I have sent to me... Even though the postings of this second group are sent to me, I can also read them later on the web if the mail server that serves me has problems...       Best wishes,     Morton Belcher     --- David Evangelides <davide@theatreorgans.com> wrote: Not sure how > 'Groups' work, > however. Are they like this list where messages > come to your E-Mail, or > do you have to log in each time to view messages?     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/  
(back) Subject: Re: Unwanted spam From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2003 23:24:57 -0600       David Evangelides wrote:   > I checked it out using a mobile device (to avoid possible virus), and > it appears to be a valid Yahoo Group. Not sure how 'Groups' work, > however. Are they like this list where messages come to your E-Mail, > or do you have to log in each time to view messages?   I thought it very discourteous to send a message like that unsolicited to listmembers as "spam" and promptly deleted it. I would have reacted more favorably had I received a note via the list itself, or on the list forwarded by the listowner, explaining the purpose of the list and inviting anyone to join.   I belong to a couple of Yahoo groups. One of them is our church's own e-mail list. They work just like normal e-mail lists and Yahoo groups have the advantage that anyone can start an e-mail group and it costs nothing. You do, however, have to be prepared to receive the occasional advertisement with the messages, but these are generally fitted broadly to the subject area of the group, and are often quite interesting, unlike most advertisements on the web. For further details see their website at www.yahoogroups.com   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: Unwanted spam From: "Sand Lawn" <glawn@jam.rr.com> Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2003 00:07:17 -0600   I think this is the same message I received. I joined, but found the = group too be very dominated by a Johannus representative. After five days, I requested to be removed. I will just be happy to stay with PipeChat! = Thank you, David, for a rather quixotic room with a lot of interesting people.   Sand   >