PipeChat Digest #4099 - Friday, November 7, 2003
 
Re: Help!
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Help!- P.S.
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Acoustical consultants
  by "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu>
Color and typography on websites
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: JS Bach in the Catholic Church
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Acoustical consultants
  by "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca>
Re: New Organ in Hurricane, West Virginia
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Color and typography on websites
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
FWD: English Organ Available
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
Re: JS Bach in the Catholic Church
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
continuo organ
  by "Linda Kay Strouf" <strouf@hope.edu>
Re: Color and typography on websites
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Acoustical consultants
  by "C. Joseph Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com>
Re: Acoustical consultants
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Color and typography on websites
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Help!
  by <Cpmnhartus@aol.com>
Re: Color and typography on websites
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Low Vision
  by "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com>
Organ at Huurican, WV
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
Re: Low Vision
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Re: Low Vision
  by "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca>
Bach Scores
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Help! From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:36:50 -0500   Sounds like St. Matthew's, Westminster, to me.   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Help!     > I don't recall exactly where David is staying, but I believe that he > mentioned that it was in one of the houses run by a Cathedral or church = in > London. Perhaps it is one of the ones advertised in the AGO magazine. > > It's a Bread and Breakfast about a block from Westminster Abbey and run = by > the Church of England. > > Paul R. Swank > Substituting for David tomorrow. > > > At 03:59 PM 11/6/03 -0800, you wrote: > >Hello, > > > >Does anyone happen to know whereabouts in London our > >list member David V Barton is staying at the moment? > > > >I have received a rather late reply from an organist > >in London, who would be delighted to show him a famous > >instrument personally, but sadly, this reply arrived > >AFTER David's departure. > > > >Regards, > > > >Colin Mitchell UK > > > > > >__________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > >http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Help!- P.S. From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:38:43 -0500   And while you are looking for him there, do notice the charming little Mander in the church!!   With that commercial, we are back on topic.   Cheers,   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul R. Swank" <prswank@surfbest.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Help!     > I don't recall exactly where David is staying, but I believe that he > mentioned that it was in one of the houses run by a Cathedral or church = in > London. Perhaps it is one of the ones advertised in the AGO magazine. > > It's a Bread and Breakfast about a block from Westminster Abbey and run = by > the Church of England. >      
(back) Subject: Acoustical consultants From: "Del Case" <dcase@puc.edu> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2003 04:51:34 -0700     First of all, thanks to all of you who have responded to my posting about Organ Consultants. It has provided some interesting reading.   I would like to know if any of you have worked with an organization called All Church Sound. It is located in Round Lake Beach, IL. Also, do any of you have experience with EdB Sound, Acoustics Inc. in Toronto, Canada?   Do you have any idea if they know anything about the acoustical needs for organs and choirs?   Thanks for any information you can provide.   Del W. Case Pacific Union College  
(back) Subject: Color and typography on websites From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:15:08 -0500   On 11/6/03 4:55 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote:   > Is it just me, or do others also find it impossible to read the organ > selections' titles at this website, printed as they are in black on a = dark > blue background? > It is NOT just you. Or me. And there are many even worse examples. Like deep blue on a deep red background. Everybody's an artist, these days? First choice should be black on white. Second is an intense primary color on a very pastel background. Third choice: Don't bother; I can't read it anyway.   While you're at it, FORGET those fancy fonts!!!! I'm not impressed.   We're all getting older. Especially ME. (Moi?)   Alan (loudly, if I may)    
(back) Subject: Re: JS Bach in the Catholic Church From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:23:02 -0500   On 11/6/03 5:03 PM, "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> wrote:   > That's very strange, I can see it well enough, for it is white lettering = on a > blue background. Some of you may know that i have Low Vision, and it is = quite > often a major problem, but not this time! >   Bob: Mine, too, came as white on a very dark blue background. I read it OK. I always have to hit (on my Mac) Command-shift-plus, and had no = problem with it. So I agree with you on the "not this time" part. But there are = so MANY examples of this: pale pink on pale blue? FORGET IT! The only solutions are (1) sweep over it, which (reverses?) the colors; or (2) if it's worth it, print it out at a decent size and read the hard copy (and swallow the CO$TS involved).   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Acoustical consultants From: "Hugh Drogemuller" <hdrogemuller@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:31:55 -0500   At 06:51 AM 07/11/2003, Del Case wrote   > (SNIP) > >I would like to know if any of you have worked with an >organization called All Church Sound. It is located in >Round Lake Beach, IL. Also, do any of you have experience >with EdB Sound, Acoustics Inc. in Toronto, Canada? > >Do you have any idea if they know anything about the >acoustical needs for organs and choirs? List,   There have been one or two articles in TAO over the years on this topic. I =   believe it is important to differentiate between new construction and the =   remodelling of existing space. Some acoustical consultants are more skilled in one or the other of these alternatives. For new construction it would be worth finding out who the consultant was for the Winspear Centre in Edmonton, Alberta. I am told the room is simply =   magnificent in it's support of organ sound.   HD    
(back) Subject: Re: New Organ in Hurricane, West Virginia From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:37:39 -0500   On 11/6/03 6:59 PM, "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> wrote:   > I suppose someone, somewhere wants bragging rights about the biggest = organ > they own or play. Maybe they even have the Guiness book of records in > mind. As for me, a really good organ of less than 100 stops would be = more > than enough for me.   Arie: You are certainly right. There cannot be any question about it. = If I may say so without offense, as is often said in some other contexts, = it's not how big it is, but how skilled you are at using it for a particular task, that counts. In MY church, I'd far rather have a skilled user of = our 23 ranks (or even half of them) than a BOOB with 150 ranks at his fingertips, and having no idea what to DO with them--or even worse, no = TASTE in knowing how to handle them.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Color and typography on websites From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:39:37 -0500   Sometimes when the colors make the text unreadable, you can change them by = just highlighting. Merry Foxworth   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).   Open Door Realty Boston, MA 02131 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/  
(back) Subject: FWD: English Organ Available From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 19:40:32 -0600   I have been asked to post this to the list. It is probably of more interest to our UK readers than any of us here in North America.   David   ***************************************************************************= ******** Grainger's Lane Methodist Church. Cradeley Heath (Near Birmingham) England.   THE ORGAN.   Cradeley Heath Methodist Church is closing down. Demographic changes have rendered it no longer viable.   The Organ is therefore available for rehoming.   This is an unusual and very, very desirable instrument Indeed.   It is a SMALL THREE MANUAL, of around 25 speaking stops, built by Norman and Beard around the turn of the last Century.   It is a truly exceptional instrument on three counts :-   1. It is an historic Organ by a major - perhaps THE major - English builder of the period, virtually unaltered since inception. It is, therefore, a MARVELLOUS item of Organ heritage, as well as being a deeply rewarding instrument to play.   2. It is a fabulously versatile Organ, with splendid Choruses for hymn-playing, but the "English Choir Organ" offers many beautiful quieter registrations for accompanimental purposes. It can do justice to liturgical repertoire from any or all of the last four centuries, including Contemporary literature.   3. IT IS IN MINT CONDITION. This instrument has been VERY well looked after and is, to all intents and purposes, a new Organ.     This is no ordinary instrument looking for a new home. This is a SPECIAL Organ, and offers a medium-sized Church (or School, or other similar institution ./ building) the facility to acquire a fabulous organ..   The Church authorities would obviously prefer the Organ to continue to serve a Christian Congregation - of whatever denomination / tradition - somewhere in the world, and would make no charge for the instrument itself were it going to such a home. "Transplantation" costs would, of course, be significant, but this remains a once-in-a-decade opportunity to acquire an instrument of REAL merit and USEFULLNESS at a tiny fraction of the cost "new".   THE CHURCH WILL CLOSE MID-2004 AND, IF NO NEW HOME IS FOUND, THE ORGAN WILL THEN BE BROKEN UP.   The full specification, size, photos and other details may be obtained by request to Paul Carr, the Organist of the Church. Please email pcarr@highgate.dudley.gov.uk.   -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: Re: JS Bach in the Catholic Church From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:47:20 -0500   As some of you may already know, I am a member of the Canadian National Institute for the Blind, and my computer has several "Adaptive Software Applications on it for both my own use, and for me to show others.   Several years ago, we did a readability test of colours of text against = the colours of the background. For most of us White lettering on a Black background, - but provided the lettering was not at all fancy, Black on a white background is almost as good.   There were a few odd things that came up at the time, Amber lettering on a Dark Green background seemed to be helpful - if I remember correctly my first computer had that back in the late 1970's! - for some of our = clients.   If worst comes to worst, it is possible to configure Windows to be a = fairly wide range of colours, but I have never bothered to do it. So it is = really a matter for those who can see, simply remembering the guide lines for = ease of reading, - high contrast is the key to making it easier for people with Low Vision to read the screen.   To bring this on topic, I have helped blind organists in setting up registrations on a strange instrument, - the problems are that they cannot see even where the stops are on the jamb, and of course couldn't read them if they knew where the stops are! But they are still very fine organists!   Bob Conway   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: Re: JS Bach in the Catholic Church     > On 11/6/03 5:03 PM, "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> wrote: > > > That's very strange, I can see it well enough, for it is white = lettering on a > > blue background. Some of you may know that i have Low Vision, and it = is quite > > often a major problem, but not this time! > > > > Bob: Mine, too, came as white on a very dark blue background. I read = it > OK. I always have to hit (on my Mac) Command-shift-plus, and had no problem > with it. So I agree with you on the "not this time" part. But there = are so > MANY examples of this: pale pink on pale blue? FORGET IT! The only > solutions are (1) sweep over it, which (reverses?) the colors; or (2) if > it's worth it, print it out at a decent size and read the hard copy (and > swallow the CO$TS involved). > > Alan    
(back) Subject: continuo organ From: "Linda Kay Strouf" <strouf@hope.edu> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:58:20 -0500   I have just been asked to provide continuo accompaniment for the Hope College(Holland, MI) Orchestra in two weeks on Bach's 2nd Orchestral = Suite. Is there anyone in my area who has access to a small continuo organ that = we might rent for a dress rehearsal on 11/20 and the performance on 11/21? = You may reply off list to strouf@hope.edu if you like with availability and = rental fee.    
(back) Subject: Re: Color and typography on websites From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 21:02:59 -0500   On 11/6/03 8:39 PM, "MFoxy9795@aol.com" <MFoxy9795@aol.com> wrote:   > Sometimes when the colors make the text unreadable, you can change them = by > just highlighting.   Merry, you're right. That's what I was trying to say, but you said it better.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Acoustical consultants From: "C. Joseph Nichols" <cjn@nicholsandsimpson.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:27:11 -0600   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Del Case" <dcase@PUC.EDU> > > I would like to know if any of you have worked with an > organization called All Church Sound. It is located in > Round Lake Beach, IL. Also, do any of you have experience > with EdB Sound, Acoustics Inc. in Toronto, Canada?   I see red flags going up. I do not know either of these companies, which means nothing. In our experience of working in existing rooms, the acoustical consultant specifies the things that will be done to the space = to acheive the best possible results for corporate worship. This includes specifying the sound reinforcement system. NOTE: The acoustical = consultant does not undertake the contract for making the necessary changes to the = room nor does he sell and install the sound system. He specifies these things. Our experience has been that after the room is finished the acoustical consultant comes back and tunes the sound system rather than the = installers. The checks and balances are very good insurance that the church won't get sold a bill of goods in the sound system department.   We have been very fortunate to have never worked on a project where the "acoustical consultant" was a sound system installer. God help us.   Just my two cents.   C. Joseph Nichols Nichols & Simpson, Inc. http://www.nicholsandsimpson.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Acoustical consultants From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 22:05:51 EST   Dear Del:   In my private message I forgot to mention Red Wetherall' s last name. he is an acoustician as well as a building archetect. He has specialized in the past on remakes, but IIRC did all the work for Our Lady of the Angels Cathedral, LA. he works out of SF. A few years ago, he gave a two Hr. talk for Orange County AGO. He really knows his stuff. He's done a lot of work in So. Cal.   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: Re: Color and typography on websites From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:13:28 -0500   on 11/6/03 8:39 PM, MFoxy9795@aol.com at MFoxy9795@aol.com wrote:   > Sometimes when the colors make the text unreadable, you can change them b= y > just highlighting. > Merry Foxworth >=20 > =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- > =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) > ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:- >=20 > Yes, in fact that's what I wound up doing, though my original intent was to highlight it in order to copy it to a word processing document, but once I highlighted it I could immediately read it just fine. Then I realized it was because I was viewing it in Netscape, so I switched browsers, as I said= .. Sorry for the off-topicality of this. Just got back from two hours at the organ: Mendelssohn's P & F in C Minor. That'll be Sunday's prelude, with the Bach-Vivaldi a minor first mov't for the postlude, since the women's chorus from Miami U. is coming and will sing music by those two composers (Laudate pueri by Herr M. and Laudate Domino by Signor V.). Then for fun I ran through the Mendelssohn P. & F . in D minor. What fun! Those eighths that become triplets that become sixteenths. Like a roller-coaster ride.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Re: Help! From: <Cpmnhartus@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 22:12:08 EST   Copeman Hart America P. O. Box 292 Lewes, Delaware 19958-0292   6 November 2003   Dear Paul and List:   David Barton, our excellent Copeman Hart consultant in the mid-Atlantic states, is staying at St. Matthew House, where my wife and I always stay = when we visit London. We were there for ten days last month.   You can leave a message for Dave by calling 020 7222 3704. When calling = from America, omit the first zero.   Yes, Malcolm, the Mander organ in the church is first rate.   Best wishes to all,   George   George W. Bayley Senior U. S. Consultant      
(back) Subject: Re: Color and typography on websites From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:25:30 -0500   on 11/6/03 8:15 PM, Alan Freed at acfreed0904@earthlink.net wrote:   > On 11/6/03 4:55 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote: > >> Is it just me, or do others also find it impossible to read the organ >> selections' titles at this website, printed as they are in black on a = dark >> blue background? >> > It is NOT just you. Or me. And there are many even worse examples. = Like > deep blue on a deep red background. Everybody's an artist, these days? > First choice should be black on white. Second is an intense primary = color > on a very pastel background. Third choice: Don't bother; I can't read = it > anyway. > > While you're at it, FORGET those fancy fonts!!!! I'm not impressed. > > We're all getting older. Especially ME. (Moi?) > > Alan (loudly, if I may) > > So maybe it's not just my Netscape browser, and there _are_ some sites out there (as I indeed thought I noticed) that are difficult to read because = of the artistic inclinations of the designer? I'm glad to find a fellow sufferer.   To bring this a little closer to topicality, it reminds me of the snafu = the church trustees just committed: An electrician talked them into buying, = at great expense, lights for the ceiling of the church gym that are = supposedly long-lived--ten years maybe. Trouble is, they don't give off enough = light. A dull gloom pervades the gym now. They are reluctant to replace them = with adequate lights because of all the money they paid for the new bulbs = (which they were prompted to buy in the first place because we were complaining about how dark it was in the gym!). At least it won't matter Saturday = night when I play the piano (which I just got revoiced and tuned) in the gym for = a silent movie, Buster Keaton's "Our Hospitality." It'll be very dark for = the film (which, as we did last year, will be projected from a DVD: an incredibly sharp image!).     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: Low Vision From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 20:58:14 -0800   Bob,   I would be interested in your techniques for locating & identifying stops, etc., with poor vision. I have keretaconus. On a 'bad contacts day' when forced to wear glasses, best vision is 20/50. You learn to memorize & improvise the music, but readily identifying stops, couplers and tabs on various instruments can be challenging.   Tks,   David E   On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 7:49pm, Bob Conway wrote: > As some of you may already know, I am a member of the Canadian National > Institute for the Blind. . . > I have helped blind organists in setting up > registrations on a strange instrument, - the problems are that they > cannot > see even where the stops are on the jamb, and of course couldn't read > them > if they knew where the stops are! > > Bob Conway David E   David Evangelides Fulfillment Manager International Bible Society Colorado Springs, CO 80921  
(back) Subject: Organ at Huurican, WV From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 23:29:32 -0600 (CST)   Here is a classic case of using electronics to fulfill the "bigger is better" syndrome - it crosses the line into vulgarity and ostentation. Bless Mr Harrah, but....    
(back) Subject: Re: Low Vision From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 01:13:09 EST   In a message dated 11/6/2003 11:59:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, davide@theatreorgans.com writes:   > I would be interested in your techniques for locating &identifying > stops, etc., with poor vision. I have keretaconus. On a 'bad contacts > day' when forced to wear glasses, best vision is 20/50. You learn to > memorize &improvise the music, but readily identifying stops, couplers > and tabs on various instruments can be challenging.   David,   Would neon-colored post-it papers help? You could color-code the stops, = and perhaps write one large letter on each piece of paper.   Victoria    
(back) Subject: Re: Low Vision From: "Nelson Denton" <ndenton@cogeco.ca> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 01:24:03 -0500   Just a silly suggestion- Has anyone considered making a cardboard template of the stop rails and drawknob locations made to actual size and then gluing a cardboard disk = the size of the knob or tab on it and then marking each knob and tab in = Braille.   This way the organist could memorize each organ at his leisure and not = worry about having to learn a specification 5 minutes before a recital.   A tape of each organ with someone playing a few notes of each stop with a quick comment on each would also help the organist memorize the sounds at leisure.   I've met a few blind organist who can memorize a organ in seconds but it would make things a bit easier for the mere mortal types. Personally I'm holding books with my toes now while reading. The old arms are not long enough.     Just a thought. :-))   Nelson P.S.   To add to my weary woes. . .   The roof fell in yesterday. Literally!!!   Those darn raccoons tore 6 giant holes into the roof and the water poured in during the last big rainstorm. Yesterday morning a tiny drip showed up.   Followed by a piece of plaster 2" square.   2 minutes later the entire ceiling fell in and now I have a hole 5'x5' in = my ceiling. Of course it had to be above the staircase where the ceiling is 16' high.   Needless to say I'm busy re-roofing. with steel sheeting. :-(((((((       --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.535 / Virus Database: 330 - Release Date: 01-Nov-03    
(back) Subject: Bach Scores From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2003 03:02:47 EST   Can anyone recommend complete scores of the Bach St. John's Passion, and = the Brandenburg Concerti? It is essential that the figures are included in = the scores (Dover does not do this). It probably wouldn't hurt to have a realization of the figures too....just to be safe. I am not at all = opposed to spending lots of money on good editions either-I have found that the nice stuff is worth the extra money... Thanks in advance. gfc           Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com