PipeChat Digest #4103 - Saturday, November 8, 2003
 
Re: Piano dedication
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: (no subject)
  by "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com>
Re: Piano dedication
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Re: Why did God give us battle trumpets?
  by <RVScara@aol.com>
Schola What?
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Piano dedication
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Why did God give us battle trumpets?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Chime stop, Dupre and others
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Piano dedication From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 14:53:26 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Well, I am very surprised that no-one has mentioned the rather good Concerto for Piano and Organ by Flor Peeters.   It's worth getting to know, and not completely virtuosic in its demands.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Charles Peery <cepeery@earthlink.net> wrote: > Somebody just donated a 7-foot Steinway that's to be > dedicated in > January, with the now-out-of-town donor present in > worship. Can I pick > your brains for appropriate things to play, either > alone, with the > choir, or with organ?     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree  
(back) Subject: RE: (no subject) From: "leora holcomb" <leh637@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 15:03:24 -0800 (PST)   At the church where I now have a position they wait until the Prelude is = finished before beginning the service. Of course, I time it to end at = 10:45, having begun at 10:30. Also, they wait until I finish the = Offertory. Again, I time it to be about the time it takes to take the = offering. If someone wanted to say anything, I would gradually soften the = music until it ended. The Postlude can be as long and loud as I want, and = usually there are people gathered around the organ. I feel this is where = I should be right now. I only play for the 2 Sunday services, no choir or = other responsibilities. This is how I handled the last position and I was = there 15 years before I moved here, and there was never a conflict. Lee   Andr=E9s G=FCnther <agun@telcel.net.ve> wrote:Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Somewhat comforting that such things happen in other countries too. I = won't start another thread about bitter organist's feelings, but RVScara@aol.com wrote on pipechat:   > I tired Preludes but Ushers, Deacons and the Nun would walk up to the pulpit microphone > and start making announcements, yelling over the organ until I would stop.   Yeap!! That happens in my parish church too! My reaction: Trompette + Basson-Oboe + Superoctave-coupler. Fortunatedly our ol' II/24er still has more power than the darn public amp system. My answer to complaints afterwards: "Why, I don't interrupt your sermons either!" - Bad tongues = say that my enlargement 1987 was done with the purpose to shut off untimely announcements with more success, but this is a shameless overstatement :) I don't play Bach (or any literature) there for exactly these reasons. I improvise all since 20 years... it's better for my health.   Back to happy things: saturday afternoon is my "day off"- mass is in = charge of the Schola Guitarum. I just finished the last corrections on a new = series for you. Have a nice weekend and stay tuned :)   Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org         --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard  
(back) Subject: Re: Piano dedication From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 17:18:26 -0600   Charles Peery wrote:   > Somebody just donated a 7-foot Steinway that's to be dedicated in > January, with the now-out-of-town donor present in worship. Can I > pick your brains for appropriate things to play, either alone, with > the choir, or with organ?   Check out Liszt's works. He wrote a number of items for the Piano, some of which were included in the Liszt COmplete works for Organ Published by Universal some years back. I suspect a review of his collected works would reveal other suitable material.   ns    
(back) Subject: Re: Why did God give us battle trumpets? From: <RVScara@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 18:17:25 EST   Colin, you are Temptation Incarnate. I have (had), albeit a Walker = digital, a Trumpet Harmonique that roars but the parishioners did not deserve to suffer punctured eardrums. Cutting the lst verse was impossible. Two = short ones,or one longer, for an entrance was it and the celebrant would not = remain at the altar for even the opening bars of the closing hymn....so, parishioners poured out of the pews behind him as he came back down the aisle. Myself, = and a few faithful, would sing a verse amid the din of the departing crowd. Pathetic, I know. I finally realize, much too late, that one's value may be determined by = the amount you are paid, and since I was paid nothing....well, that says it = all. Absolutely fine "toaster," a singing congregation, Fini! What do they = say: one door closes and another opens! Unfortunately, there isn't an = instrument in the area, pipe or electronic, I would yearn to play after this one, even = for pay. The few pipe are in terrible condition and the electronics sub par = IMHO. The battle is o'er....my loss.    
(back) Subject: Schola What? From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:35:25 -0500   Andr=E9s,   You will be forever remembered for "Schola Guitarum." That you for that!   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 4:53 PM Subject: RE: (no subject)     > Andres Gunther > agun@telcel.net.ve > > Somewhat comforting that such things happen in other countries too. I won't > start another thread about bitter organist's feelings, but = RVScara@aol.com > wrote on pipechat: > > > I tired Preludes but Ushers, Deacons and the Nun would walk up to the > pulpit microphone > and start making announcements, yelling over the = organ > until I would stop. > > Yeap!! That happens in my parish church too! My reaction: Trompette + > Basson-Oboe + Superoctave-coupler. Fortunatedly our ol' II/24er still = has > more power than the darn public amp system. My answer to complaints > afterwards: "Why, I don't interrupt your sermons either!" - Bad tongues say > that my enlargement 1987 was done with the purpose to shut off untimely > announcements with more success, but this is a shameless overstatement = :) > I don't play Bach (or any literature) there for exactly these reasons. I > improvise all since 20 years... it's better for my health. > > Back to happy things: saturday afternoon is my "day off"- mass is in charge > of the Schola Guitarum. I just finished the last corrections on a new series > for you. Have a nice weekend and stay tuned :) > > Andres > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > First was the cat, then was the Orgler. > The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Piano dedication From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2003 19:43:36 -0500   Well Colin,   I did, incompletely and privately. I had been listening of late to a wonderful recording by Hans Fagius, who is a great favorite of mine, and a pianist friend of his - music for Piano and Organ. As they do the Franck = P. F. & V (ever so beautifully), and as I had it in my car, and as I had just attended Mark Anderson's beautiful recital at St. John's Lutheran in Allentown, on which he played the P. F. & V., I gave him the recording to enjoy - a loan, I said, actually. I could not remember the title of the Peeters, but I did let Charles know there was something of Peeters out there. So I tried.   Cheers,   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 5:53 PM Subject: Re: Piano dedication     > Hello, > > Well, I am very surprised that no-one has mentioned > the rather good Concerto for Piano and Organ by Flor > Peeters. > > It's worth getting to know, and not completely > virtuosic in its demands. > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK > > > --- Charles Peery <cepeery@earthlink.net> wrote: > > Somebody just donated a 7-foot Steinway that's to be > > dedicated in > > January, with the now-out-of-town donor present in > > worship. Can I pick > > your brains for appropriate things to play, either > > alone, with the > > choir, or with organ?      
(back) Subject: Re: Why did God give us battle trumpets? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 19:47:16 -0500   On 11/8/03 6:17 PM, "RVScara@aol.com" <RVScara@aol.com> wrote:   > Myself, and a few faithful, would sing a verse amid the din of the depart= ing > crowd. Pathetic, I know.   Ron, it may salt in the wounds, but I just HAVE to reflect back to the 1940= s when I was a kid (HS graduation 1950). I was in our very ordinary (nice, but ordinary) Lutheran church every Sunday. We had a pipe organ (converted theatre organ); then we built a nice new church and bought a new Moller. S= o small I=B9m ashamed to say how small. Our church seated 700. Senior choir o= f 45; Youth choir of same size; one for each service each Sunday. Our worshi= p was respectable but low church. I went only VERY rarely to a Roman church for anything. Maybe once in five years. But TV arrived in about 1948, and we could SEE =B3them=B2 doing their thing on Christmas Eve.   So we had some idea what went on in those Roman churches: Lots of silence, lots of kneeling, lots of beautiful chant and lovely polyphony; lots of EXTREME reverence, however expressed. I was one Lutheran who was JEALOUS o= f the Romans, who knew how to worship. We knew they did. Whatever else ANYbody might say (about indulgences or statues, or whatever silliness), Roman worship was REVERENT!!   Yet NOW, we=B9ve almost exchanged positions. Even a SERIOUS Roman mass, in a reasonably decent parish, is (at least a bit) sloppy, casual at best, and often even downright offensive. OUR worship (at least at Saint Luke=B9s and neighboring mid-Manhattan ELCA parishes), by contrast, is SERIOUSLY =B3reverent.=B2 DEAD silent parishioners in that nave until (having been kneeling) we stand to sing the processional. Nobody would DREAM of chasing the celebrant down the aisle during the postlude. Not many remain for the whole postlude; but those who leave (AFTER =B3ite, missa est=B2 which ENDS the recessional, and just precedes the postlude) do so quietly, pleasantly, conversationally, but NOT raucously. (I should say that most of us come from a wide variety of denominational backgrounds; so it=B9s just been =B3caught=B2 while at St. Luke=B9s, as =B3how it=B9s done.=B2)   So, lucky me=8Bafter several decades=B9 wait, I=B9ve got what I always wanted. And if my parish folded, I have several others to choose from. But YOU hav= e been ROBBED of what is and should be your highest heritage. I CAN=B9T blame V2, I think. In the 60s we regarded V2 as =B3our=B2 reformation finally reaching Rome, who=B9s finally capitulating to Dr. Luther. We were glad for you. So it=B9s hard for us to =B3admit?=B2 that things went just TOO FAR. Parts of our reformation in the 16th century ALSO went too far, too fast. But we pretty much did corrective action on that. We had our left wing too, who smashed statues and stained glass=8Bbut Luther would NOT put up with that. I= t seems that Rome needs someone NOT so =B3right=B2 as Cardinal Ratzinger, and yet also not so left as the crazies who are destroying RC worship all over the place. =20   So I end up feeling bad not only for you, but for a lot of other folks too.   Alan            
(back) Subject: RE: Chime stop, Dupre and others From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2003 19:27:14 -0600   Thanks, David. I just remember hearing the Dupre with chimes and it was very effective. I have myself done the Franck Pastorale with handbell doing the repeated notes, and it turned out well. The use of chimes there would create imagery reminiscent of distant church bells (similarly with the Dupre) (dare I breathe "ringing the Angelus", or would I again be wrong?).   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com (sorry about my use of JKP's "maiden name" in another post)   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of David Scribner   American organists beginning with Farnam, if I am not mistaken, have used Chimes for the repeated note in the first section. I understand that Dupre also did it this way when he played the piece here in North America.