PipeChat Digest #4109 - Wednesday, November 12, 2003
 
Re: Allen MDS Expander II
  by "Joel Armengaud" <jarmengaud@apsydev.com>
Re: Allen MDS Expander II
  by "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com>
Re: Carpenter, Hell, Themselves?
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
EMCATOS - Pipe Organ Pops Announcement
  by "Len Beyersdorfer, MARATHON Digital Publishing" <LenB@MDigital
Re: Allen MDS Expander II
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: Paine, Payne??
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: Allen MDS Expander II
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: Allen MDS Expander II
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
RE: Carpenter and Hell?
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Speaking of dusty chimes...
  by <hydrant@baskerbeagles.com>
Re: MIDI Hymnal
  by "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com>
RE: Allen MDS Expander II
  by "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com>
It is "Paine"
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
Re: MIDI Hymnal
  by "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net>
Re: Paine, Payne??
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: It is "Paine"
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Paine, Payne??
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
RE: It is "Paine"
  by "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Allen MDS Expander II From: "Joel Armengaud" <jarmengaud@apsydev.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:20:29 +0100   Thanks for this information. Also, I am hearing that some of the voices themselves do not sound that = great, and that a Johannus expander, for instance, has much nicer stops. = Was you somewhat disappointed by the sound of some voices?   -Joel ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Gfc234@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 3:34 AM Subject: Re: Allen MDS Expander II     I once had a job on an Allen MDS 8 with an expander. I could assign 1 = voice per division (great, swell, and pedal). I'm sure that if it were = a 3 manual organ, you could assign a voice to each division (equaling = 4). This box really improved the sound of the organ. The one big = disadvantage was that you could not have independant volume comtrols for = each channel--i.e. --there is one volume knob that controls the output = for the ENTIRE box. So...if you wanted to have an 8' diapason added to = the great, nice and loud, and you had a 16' reed in the pedal--the reed = would be WAY too loud. Another HUGE disadvantage was that the assigned = voices DON'T COUPLE DOWN. For example, if you were playing Franck, and = you wanted an 8' hautbois to be part of the registration, you would have = to assign it to each division that you wanted it to sound on. It's = really too bad. If Allen allowed those voices to be coupled, and for = each channel to have its own volume control, it would be perfect. Who = knows, maybe they will think of this stuff and make the change. Catch = my drift??? gfc    
(back) Subject: Re: Allen MDS Expander II From: "Mattcinnj" <mattcinnj@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 05:08:19 -0800 (PST)       Gfc234@aol.com wrote:I once had a job on an Allen MDS 8 with an expander. = I could assign 1 voice per division (great, swell, and pedal). I'm sure = that if it were a 3 manual organ, you could assign a voice to each = division (equaling 4). This box really improved the sound of the organ. = The one big disadvantage was that you could not have independant volume = comtrols for each channel--i.e. --there is one volume knob that controls = the output for the ENTIRE box. So...if you wanted to have an 8' diapason = added to the great, nice and loud, and you had a 16' reed in the = pedal--the reed would be WAY too loud. Another HUGE disadvantage was that = the assigned voices DON'T COUPLE DOWN. For example, if you were playing = Franck, and you wanted an 8' hautbois to be part of the registration, you = would have to assign it to each division that you wanted it to sound on. = It's really too bad. If Allen allowed those voices to be coupled, and for = each channel to have its own volume control, it would be perfect. Who knows, maybe they will think of this stuff and make the = change. Catch my drift??? gfc     Hi All,   AOC will not be coming out with either a new Expander, or enhancements to = the (very ) old one. This info from this year's AOC May seminar.     --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard  
(back) Subject: Re: Carpenter, Hell, Themselves? From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:44:11 EST   Young people who are building their careers have role models whose = work and style certainly bolster their aspirations, but I do not believe that = for any length of time they wish to be compared to others in the field, = especially those with extreme or notable personalities or performance styles. They want to be themselves, and gain respect and admiration on their = own terms, no differently than musicians or instrument builders. Finally, thanks for mentioning Paul Jacobs. He enjoys making music = (GOOD music) more than he enjoys the limelight. A fine musician, and a fun man, = who will quietly ascend the ladder in his field.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: EMCATOS - Pipe Organ Pops Announcement From: "Len Beyersdorfer, MARATHON Digital Publishing" <LenB@MDigital.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:58:28 -0500     This is an EMCATOS - Pipe Organ Pops Announcement   Refer to http://www.emcatos.com.   ***************************************************************************= ******   The Wellesley Symphony Orchestra (Max Hobart, Music Director) with EMCATOS Wurlitzer (David Peckham, Organist) Sonic Extravaganza that Happened on November 9, 2003 at the Knight Auditoium, Babson College, Wellesley, Massachusetts, was a huge success!   Thanks to all of you who attended to witness this event. We hope you enjoyed the show as much as we enjoyed presenting it.   We invite you to visit our Web site to view a photo album of the concert = as well as some of the behind the scenes shenanigans. Point your browser to http://www.emcatos.com, click on the Scrapbook tab, if you need album help, click on the Help tab, then backup, click on the By Date tab and finally click on the EMCATOS Concert 11/9/03 link.   ***************************************************************************= ******   Upcoming Wurlitzer Events (Ticket ordering and pricing details will be announced shortly.)   Ron Reseigh at Babson College, Saturday, 3 Jan 04, 7:30 PM   Dave Wickerham at Babson College, Saturday, 28 Feb 04, 7:30 PM   Dave Wickerham at the Shanklin Conference Center, Sunday, 29 Feb 04, 2:30 PM   Simon Glendhill at Babson College, Saturday, 1 May 04, 7:30 PM   Simon Glendhill at the Shanklin Conference Center, Sunday, 2 May 04, 2:30 PM   ***************************************************************************= ******   Because of the success of Silents in the House - A Festival of Short = Silent Films that we presented in late September, 2003, we plan on presenting another Silents in the House production sometime in March, 2004. We will let you know the details in the near future.   ***************************************************************************= ******   Thank You!     -------------------------------------------------- Len Beyersdorfer LenB@MDigital.com MARATHON Digital Publishing Marlboro, Massachusetts 508-460-6172 --------------------------------------------------  
(back) Subject: Re: Allen MDS Expander II From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:00:07 -0500   At 01:20 PM 2003-11-11 +0100, you wrote: >Thanks for this information. >Also, I am hearing that some of the voices themselves do not sound that >great, and that a Johannus expander, for instance, has much nicer stops. >Was you somewhat disappointed by the sound of some voices? > >-Joel   Joel,   In terms of quality of stops, voiceability, usefullness, the Ahlborn Archive modules are the best. They come in 4 flavours, and are great for augmenting any MIDI equipped instrument. Just remember that as with anything relating to organs, the final sound is to a degree dependant on how good the audio system is you play it through.   The Johannus module, which I have heard in comparison to the Archives, has =   only a few organ stops, mostly orchestral and effects. The organ stops, some of them are not bad, but sound rather unrelenting if one just holds a =   chord. Probably short samples, with little processing power behind it.   Viscount used to make some Expanders, but no longer.   It is kind of sad, that there aren't more useful toys around for the = hobbyist.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: Paine, Payne?? From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:24:57 -0500   Alan, I really would have expected you to change your name in the opposit= e direction, what with that whole payola thing. ;-) I hope you are having fun with t= he little loaner.   - formerly Walther Greunenwald     > "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote: > > No, no; don=B9t scream. You betcha there=B9s tons of variety. But tha= t=B9s OK. > Keeps it interesting. > > Alan Frid (formerly); now Alan Freed    
(back) Subject: Re: Allen MDS Expander II From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:33:22 -0500   I wrote the original memo to Jerome Markowitz suggesting a MIDI box to = replace the whole punch-card thing, but then I left before the engineering started. = Otherwise a lot of things would have been done differently. I have heard unsubstatiated = rumors that they have a new platform in the works, so maybe something better is = coming.   There is a trick to get two voices on one channel. If you still have = occasion to use the expander, I can find the procedure for you.   -WG     > <Gfc234@aol.com> wrote: > > I once had a job on an Allen MDS 8 with an expander. I could assign 1 = voice > per division (great, swell, and pedal). I'm sure that if it were a 3 = manual > organ, you could assign a voice to each division (equaling 4). This box = really > improved the sound of the organ. The one big disadvantage was that you = could > not have independant volume comtrols for each channel--i.e. --there is = one > volume knob that controls the output for the ENTIRE box. So...if you = wanted to > have an 8' diapason added to the great, nice and loud, and you had a 16' = reed > in the pedal--the reed would be WAY too loud. Another HUGE disadvantage = was > that the assigned voices DON'T COUPLE DOWN. For example, if you were = playing > Franck, and you wanted an 8' hautbois to be part of the registration, = you would > have to assign it to each division that you wanted it to sound on. It's > really too bad. If Allen allowed those voices to be coupled, and for = each channel > to have its own volume control, it would be perfect. Who knows, maybe = they > will think of this stuff and make the change. Catch my drift??? > gfc    
(back) Subject: Re: Allen MDS Expander II From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 11:28:19 EST   In a message dated 11/11/2003 9:33:11 AM Central Standard Time, walterg@nauticom.net writes:   There is a trick to get two voices on one channel. If you still have occasion to use the expander, I can find the procedure for you. Got a new job and a 40 rank organ now! Thanks anyway. LOL   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: RE: Carpenter and Hell? From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:29:56 -0500   >"Someday," perhaps. But I think that requires a whole different set of skills than those with which he has been equipped thus far. I don't = think he should even consider that for at least 10 to 15 years (minimum). = Just wouldn't be right. Possibly never. Just a different package.   It apparently doesn't take long for the cream to rise to the top. Most = of our top church musicians in recent decades have secured really = prestigious, important posts while still in their twenties, initially = through brilliant organ playing. They went straight from an assistant = position at a major cathedral or chapel (John Scott, for instance, was = evoking oohs and ahs at the AGO national in 1980, already at St. Paul's = Cathedral London as Barry Rose's assistant, still a kid, or so it = seemed.) to the principal position at the same or another without so = much as a layover in First Main Street Pretheran. The rest of us might = grit our teeth in our respective boonies all our lives, but that seems = to be how it works, because of their outstanding talent and their = ability to get others to notice it early.   There are very few, if any, such animals as the "concert organist" who = make their entire living and reputation for decades simply from playing = recitals and making recordings. Who else is in that category? Carlo = Curley? Hector Olivera? Gillian Weir? Maybe (I'm not acquainted with = any of their biographies). I'd venture to say that Dame Gillian is the = only one of those three whose standing in the larger serious music world = compares with that of a great pianist like Rubinstein yesterday or = Schiff today. With all due respect to the other two, and Olivera is = both very talented and a very nice person, their image seems more = middle-brow, somewhat like Liberace's. I doubt that Felix would head in = that direction for the sake of a career entirely as an organ virtuoso.   The vast majority of our important recital and recording artists are = also church musicians, teachers, or both. And since, if you're going to = be an organ teacher, you'll be teaching future church musicians for the = most part, it would certainly be advisable to be a respectably = accomplished church musician oneself. So it has been with all my = teachers. So it is with John Weaver, Felix's teacher. It is the same = abroad, I think.   Of course, the most important consideration is what Felix himself = aspires to do. Many with his caliber of talent have eventually = transcended their instruments to become distinguished conductors. For = the sake of the organ, I hope that he will stay in our fold for at least = a couple of decades, and am merely pondering how other very talented = organists have proceeded to do that with fulfillment.      
(back) Subject: Speaking of dusty chimes... From: <hydrant@baskerbeagles.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:11:07 -0500   Greetings, I'm trying to find someone to service the Deagan chimes at the church where I play the organ. Neither of our regular service people are interested, mainly because they are installed high above the choir loft (you can see them in the picture on my webpage (www.baskerbeagles.com ) after clicking PipeOrgans in the menu on the left.   Any suggestions or interested parties? We are located in Gainesville, Fla. Scritchies and Haruffaroo-bahawow...   Unkie Doinky ... aka Bruce and the Baskerbeagles of HowlingAcres = http://baskerbeagles.com HELP FEED ANIMALS FOR FREE http://tinyurl.com/2j5i and = http://pets.care2.com  
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI Hymnal From: "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:02:47 -0600   Seems to be a threat, right?   However, you have to find someone who will start and stop it each week. = You need to find a church person who will be reliable in this respect. He or = she will certainly not be a musician, mind you, but must take the time to act like a musician.   Now, how to decide what hymn number to choose. Granted, most of these can = be set for an individual hymnal. But they're not always accurate. The person assigned to do this, must know which numbers goes with which, needs to associate hymn tunes to the first line (most congregations only know their =   hymns by first line and ot by hymn tune).   Now, is it written in the same key that the hymn book is written in? And = do they know how to hit the transpose button. Realize we're probably talking about people who are unmusical. If they were musical they would not waste their time doing this.   These things do not have fermatas in them, can not adjust their tempo to = the congregation (you CAN adjust the tempo, but again to the unmusical = operator, how do you do that?), and often have very abrupt ending or very quickly go =   to the next verse. Intros can be very confusing, often 2 notes or so, and, =   bang!, right into the hymn.   The sound isn't too bad. BUt, there's no feeling. Very cold tempo. Always right on.   They will not replace musicians in the same way that robots will not = replace the minister, priest, etc.   Although, stranger things have happened...   Mike Franch Madison, WI   _________________________________________________________________ From Beethoven to the Rolling Stones, your favorite music is always = playing on MSN Radio Plus. No ads, no talk. Trial month FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=3Doffers/premiumradio    
(back) Subject: RE: Allen MDS Expander II From: "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:04:45 -0500   Congrats, Greg Mari -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Gfc234@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 11:28 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Allen MDS Expander II     In a message dated 11/11/2003 9:33:11 AM Central Standard Time, walterg@nauticom.net writes:   There is a trick to get two voices on one channel. If you still have occasion to use the expander, I can find the procedure for you. Got a new job and a 40 rank organ now! Thanks anyway. LOL   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: It is "Paine" From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:15:22 -0500   Having produced a recording of the organ works of John Knowles Paine = (Raven OAR-460, page 38 of the 2003 OHS Catalog and at = http://www.ohscatalog.org), I know that the correct spelling is with the letter "i" and never = otherwise. The organist on the CD, Murray Forbes Somerville, was the organist at Harvard when he made the recording (using two historic organ associated = with Paine as well as a third, new, organ, by Lynn Dobson which shares some traits of 19th-century American organs). Paine was the first professor of music at Harvard.   Bill      
(back) Subject: Re: MIDI Hymnal From: "Richard Schneider" <arpschneider@starband.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 17:34:18 -0600   Mike Franch wrote:   > However, you have to find someone who will start and stop it each week.   > Now, how to decide what hymn number to choose. Granted, most of these = can be > set for an individual hymnal. But they're not always accurate. The = person > assigned to do this, must know which numbers goes with which, needs to > associate hymn tunes to the first line (most congregations only know = their > hymns by first line and ot by hymn tune).   > These things do not have fermatas in them, can not adjust their tempo to = the > congregation (you CAN adjust the tempo, but again to the unmusical = operator, > how do you do that?), and often have very abrupt ending or very quickly = go > to the next verse. Intros can be very confusing, often 2 notes or so, = and, > bang!, right into the hymn. > Although, stranger things have happened...   I know of a church in southern Arizona that tried to use a "Praise Team in a Box" and it backfired completely on them. The very talented musicians who were there left. Ultimately, the church closed and disbanded. A suit was brought by the former "pastor", who is demanding his "rights" in terms of fulfillment of $ contract from the remnants (former members) of the disbanded congregation. A VERY ugly affair. And all of this was brought on by the "pastor" who foisted this thing on them in the first place!   I know about it because it was my Mother-in-law's former church.   So much for "Christ's Church"!   Faithfully,   G.A.   -- Richard Schneider, PRES/CEO <>< Schneider Pipe Organs, Inc. 41-43 Johnston St./P.O. Box 137 Kenney, IL 61749-0137 (217) 944-2454 VOX (877) 944-2454 TOLL-FREE (217) 944-2527 FAX arpschneider@starband.net Home Office EMAIL arp@schneiderpipeorgans.com SHOP EMAIL http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com URL ADDRESS    
(back) Subject: Re: Paine, Payne?? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:59:44 -0500   On 11/11/03 10:24 AM, "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> wrote:   > Alan, I really would have expected you to change your name in the opposit= e > direction, what with that whole payola thing. ;-) I hope you are having= fun > with the little loaner. >=20 > - formerly Walther Greunenwald >=20 More likely "Gruenwald"? ("Gr=FCnwald"?) (But I'm guessing.)   I hear ya, and you're right. Time problem. In Sweden, in nineteenth-century days (among the peasantry, anyway), every man, upon attaining age 18, was conscripted, and gave up his "patronymic" (father's given name + "son") for an "ArmyName." (Otherwise you'd have a company of people with all near-identical names!) Most guys picked a "macho" name; among my ancestors were "Ek" ("Oak") and other "tough" and "strong" names. My paternal ancestors were "doves" rather than "hawks." So went for "wimpy= " names like "Frid" (=3Dpeace). (German: Fried). Upon discharge, they chose either to keep their arnyname or to resume their patronymic. Both happened in my family. But in the Frid line, we moved to "Freed" (same sound) upon emigration, probably on suggestion or Immigration person).   That other guy was born before my time, changed his name, and committed suicide in the wake of the scandals. (As I understand it.) See Google.   Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: It is "Paine" From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 20:47:43 -0600   Thanks, Bill, for clearing that up. Where is Murray Somerville now?   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of William T. Van Pelt   Having produced a recording of the organ works of John Knowles Paine (Raven OAR-460, page 38 of the 2003 OHS Catalog and at http://www.ohscatalog.org), I know that the correct spelling is with the letter "i" and never otherwise. The organist on the CD, Murray Forbes Somerville, was the organist at Harvard when he made the recording (using two historic organ associated with Paine as well as a third, new, organ, by Lynn Dobson which shares some traits of 19th-century American organs). Paine was the first professor of music at Harvard.          
(back) Subject: Re: Paine, Payne?? From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:23:09 EST   Hello Alan,   In reference to your comment:   =E8 But in the Frid line, we moved to "Freed" (same sound) =E8 upon emigration, probably on suggestion or =E8 Immigration person).   ---------------- I'm the granddaughter of Jan Olav Viking Hedberg (father's side) and Anton=20 Eranius Jansson (mother's side), who became John Olaf Viking Hedberg and Ant= on=20 E. Johnson. Immigration in the twenties did NOT like European spellings. A= nd=20 my great-grandfather was Jan Svenson, so my cousin, who followed the geneolo= gy=20 back to the 17th century, really had his work cut out for him!   To keep this on topic, most of the Swedish marriage records are kept in the=20 churches. My cousin reported that the church in Edebo DOES have an organ, b= ut=20 he has no idea what. =20   Victoria    
(back) Subject: RE: It is "Paine" From: "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 23:57:42 -0500   As of Sept 1st, he is O/CM at St George's Nashville. (Wilma Jensen's = former position.) Mari   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Glenda Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 9:48 PM To: 'PipeChat' Subject: RE: It is "Paine"     Thanks, Bill, for clearing that up. Where is Murray Somerville now?   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of William T. Van Pelt   Having produced a recording of the organ works of John Knowles Paine (Raven OAR-460, page 38 of the 2003 OHS Catalog and at http://www.ohscatalog.org), I know that the correct spelling is with the letter "i" and never otherwise. The organist on the CD, Murray Forbes Somerville, was the organist at Harvard when he made the recording (using two historic organ associated with Paine as well as a third, new, organ, by Lynn Dobson which shares some traits of 19th-century American organs). Paine was the first professor of music at Harvard.         "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org