PipeChat Digest #4111 - Friday, November 14, 2003
 
Re: PipeChat Digest #4110 - 11/13/03
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk>
Ahlborn modules
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
Re: It is "Paine"
  by "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #4110 - 11/13/03
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #4110 - 11/13/03
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
The organist as entertainer
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Ahlborn modules
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: Ahlborn modules
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
If Organists Wrote the Wedding Columns
  by "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net>
Re: PipeChat Digest #4110 - 11/13/03
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
(no subject)
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Re: Alhborn Expander Modules (was Re: Allen MDS Expander II)
  by "Joel Armengaud" <jarmengaud@apsydev.com>
Re: Alhborn Expander Modules (was Re: Allen MDS Expander II)
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #4110 - 11/13/03
  by "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net>
RE: The organist as entertainer
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
looking for music
  by "Robert Carl Patterson" <rcpatt@socal.rr.com>
Free State Theatre Organ Society (FSTOS) has new web pages
  by "FSTOS" <fstos1984@yahoo.com>
RE:
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Disney Hall acoustics
  by "bnorth" <bnorth@intergate.ca>
 

(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4110 - 11/13/03 From: "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:47:08 +0000 (GMT)   JKP Sebastian has the lastte definitive wirde on thatte one. Ahlborn - Excellent. I have the Classic Archive. I don't know what they cost in the USA, but it was very reasonable here in Europe. Why are electronic organs so much more expensive in the US? Is it because people have been brainwashed into paying more? John Foss   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ Topics of the week : Line from Plati Gene Robinson's appointment   ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk  
(back) Subject: Ahlborn modules From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 04:49:41 -0600 (CST)   Arie, Are you sure about the 8-note limitation on the manuals...I have a custom module and have not noticed any problem, and I use all 10 fingers and 2 feet at the same time :)    
(back) Subject: Re: It is "Paine" From: "Margo Dillard" <dillardm@airmail.net> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 07:14:16 -0600   He also wrote that famous dance tune: "I used to be able to raise my arm this high, But now I can only raise it this far."   ;-) Margo   "Put the milk in the coconut, and drink it all up...."       > >>Hey, Seb, have you ever played his blockbuster organ hit, "It only hurts >>when I breathe"? It requires fourteen manuals. >> >    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4110 - 11/13/03 From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:19:48 -0500   At 10:47 AM 2003-11-13 +0000, you wrote: >JKP Sebastian has the lastte definitive wirde on >thatte one. >Ahlborn - Excellent. I have the Classic Archive. I >don't know what they cost in the USA, but it was very >reasonable here in Europe. Why are electronic organs >so much more expensive in the US? Is it because people >have been brainwashed into paying more? >John Foss   John,   That is a good question. You have to remember that Europe is now one big common trading zone, so there would not be any tariffs, duties etc. Also, =   things like feature lists, electrical approvals, transportation costs, as well as import costs drive the price up. I have also noticed that warrantees are different. I suppose that is why organ companies like Rodgers and Allen have a very limited presence in Europe right now. It seems their products cost double or more compared to European organs.   Up until recently, the US dollar was flying really high, so even in the = US, European product was much cheaper than US made product. Whether that denotes a different quality level of course is a matter of debate.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4110 - 11/13/03 From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 08:19:08 -0600   John Foss wrote:   <"Why are electronic organs so much more expensive in the US? Is it = because people have been brainwashed into paying more?">   Hello John,   That is an interesting question. Personally I think that slick media marketing campaigns, manufacturing, high labor costs, along with Dealer markup has a great deal to do with it here in the USA. Last year I purchased a custom organ directly from Holland. What is interesting is = the fact that I could buy an organ driven by the Musicom sound engine = overseas, and even with shipping, Customs Fees, and transport to my home, I saved about $10K when compared to buying say, a Johannus, Rodgers, or Allen from = a dealer here in Wisconsin.   Tim       --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.538 / Virus Database: 333 - Release Date: 11/10/2003    
(back) Subject: The organist as entertainer From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:22:29 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   The Cameron Carpenter debate (and I have never heard CC) reminds me of the passions raised by a similar phenomenon some years ago in the UK, when Carlo Curley burst on the organ scene, complete with knee high boots and a pink Cadillac.   He was immediately compared to the one and only Liberace, which I thought was an insult to both men. Liberace was simply wonderful "high camp" entertainment of the worst and best kind in one package, but he made a lot of errors when he played the piano.   Carlo Curley was a much more serious musician, but injected some of the humour, good nature and entertainment value of Liberace, and got the notes right.   I have not had the pleasure of hearing Felix Hell perform....someday perhaps, but I feel sure that he falls into the category of a serious musician and, maybe in time, a great performer and interpreter.   Carlo Curley is quite a delight to meet....no edge, no barrier.....you just wade in there and clasp paws....maybe even a great big hug. He's that sort of guy.   Then he performs.....quite brilliantly and with a tremendous reserve of technique. Maybe the performances tend to say, "Look at me!"   OK...we look and we are impressed. Sometimes we are blown away by the sheer panache, sometimes we are awed by his technical virtuosity, but NEVER are we bored.   If there is a downside, it has to be that the showmanship sometimes obscures musical depth, and I have to say that I have been more often impressed than moved by Carlo's performances.   As an organ diplomat, he is second to none, and draws big audiences wherever he goes.....so why do we knock it?   In the theatre organ equivalent, is it not the difference between the vitality of Sidney Torch and the intimate sensitivity of Simon Gledhill....two vastly different styles of performance?   Whether in the hands of an extrovert or introvert performer, we can enjoy the same music in a different light each time.   Skilled organists require something quite different. They need to hear great interpretations, and this is exactly why I go to Holland to hear Bach and Reger performed each year. It's a long way to go just for a few organ recitals.   I have just got back from Holland in fact, after a tiny autumnal break.   So with people like Carlo or Cameron Carpenter, I am only able to thank them for making the organ entertaining and for dragging in the crowds. I actually admire what they do, but please, don't ever expect me to follow their example!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       > >On 11/10/03 4:13 PM, "Shirley" > <pnst.shirley@verizon.net> wrote: >   > Although I consider some of what he does to be of > questionable taste I was > dazzled by his technical prowess and captivated by > his presence with the > audience.   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree  
(back) Subject: Re: Ahlborn modules From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:46:18 -0500   At 04:49 AM 2003-11-13 -0600, you wrote: >Arie, >Are you sure about the 8-note limitation on the manuals...I have a >custom module and have not noticed any problem, and I use all 10 fingers >and 2 feet at the same time :) Terry,   I am sure about that. Remember that these units are so designed not to drop out the top note or the bottom note, so it may be hard to detect unless you deliberately try it. I don't think the customization of your unit has anything to do with the polyphony of the unit, more likely you just had some voices swapped.   Arie   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: Ahlborn modules From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:00:30 EST   Dear Terry:   The way these are configured as I understand it is eight on the manuals and four for the pedals. Perhaps there is some overlap at the bass end of the manuals from the pedal. I have never experienced any loss of notes either. I use the 201 and the classic.   Ron    
(back) Subject: If Organists Wrote the Wedding Columns From: "Keith Zimmerman" <kwzimmerman@alltel.net> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 09:55:35 -0500   A choir director friend of mine sent this to me. I apologize if this has already made the rounds on this list.   IF ORGANISTS WROTE THE WEDDING COLUMNS > > On Saturday, the third of August, at well after the stated time of = 2:00PM, > Ann Jones and Bob Smith were married at Our Lady of Sorry Acoustics. The > delay was attributed to the late arrival of an aunt of the bride and was > deftly covered by organist Reginald Laudfuss (now celebrating his = seventh > month at the church) who improvised on an original theme for well over = ten > minutes. This improvisation was accomplished in all minor keys without > the use of the organ's wholly unnecessary transposer. Mr. Laudfuss = gives > thanks to the church's wedding coordinator, Ima Thority, for flashing = him > a series of hand signals during the crisis. > > Mr. Laudfuss chose a lightweight summer robe of shimmering burgundy to > conceal his cutoffs and T-shirt. The organist's shoes, in tasteful = black, > were by Organmaster, accessorized with upgraded laces from Thom McAn. = They > are his third pair in about fifteen years. The wedding party wore the > usual clothes. > > The organ is the fourth or fifth rebuild of what was originally a = dreadful > 1920's theater organ from the Roxy. It now contains additional pipework > from an Ox tracker, salvaged after that mysterious fire in a practice = room > at the University. Other stops have been added according to the tastes = of > organists who have come and gone. The Great Harmonic Flute was voiced = by > Harrison and purchased from the Cathedral of Ostentation during their = 1977 > project. The Wurlitzer Brass Trumpet (temporarily residing in place of > the Swell Oboe) is the envy of the city; it is rumored to have been = stolen > (all 61 pipes!) from the now-shuttered Palace. The organ's combination > action, unfortunately, is unreliable. > > There were a sufficiently large number of attendants to build a lengthy > processional upon, but despite last night's rehearsal they heedlessly > hurried up the aisle, resulting in a drastic compression of the "Prince = of > Denmark's March." This critical number was therefore performed with no > repeats, and Mr. Laudfuss pointedly ended on the dominant in protest. > > However, the 8' Tuba (purchased pre-voiced over the internet and the > central feature of the March) was a resounding success as could be > measured by the smiles that spread throughout the congregation during = the > processional. > > After a few minutes of talking by a clergy type, the organist played the > first four phrases of the Schubert "Ave Maria" (in E-major to avoid a > pulled pipe) on the shimmering Choir Gemshorn 8' (no tremolo) while the > couple did something. > > Later, somebody's female relative breathily sang "The Wedding Song." = It > appeared that this person's usual venue was a country-western bar, and > some tension occurred during the solo. The soloist attempted to = continue > singing during the interludes. Mr. Laudfuss responded by trying to = cover > her error with cues from the Swell Trompette 8' (Wicks, 1940's, = revoiced > by Gantt in the 1958 rebuild) but she continued in her own misguided way > forcing the organist to shuffle his music loudly. This contretemps > prevented the congregation from enjoying the subtle chiff of the Choir > Gedeckt 8', which would have been the only bright spot in a notoriously > boring song. > > The recessional was the Mendelssohn, chosen despite Mr. Laudfuss's = counsel > to the contrary. It was played on a satisfying plenum in A B A B A form > to fit the available time. When the wedding party was finally out of = the > way Mr. Laudfuss presented the Widor Toccata as the postlude. The guests > inconsiderately talked throughout the number, but the organist added = stops > as the noise level increased, masterfully maneuvering each drawknob, > coupler and piston without missing a single note of the Widor. The > sforzando button unexpectedly brought the Brass Trumpet into the = ensemble > but by now there was no turning back and the Widor ended breathtakingly. > This noble feat did not go unnoticed by the congregation, who responded > with audible sighs when the music stopped. > > The bride and groom went to college somewhere, but they did not take any > music. After their honeymoon they will blend into suburbia where they = will > produce children. The highlight of each year will be the replay of Mr. > Laudfuss's work via a wedding video.   Keith    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4110 - 11/13/03 From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:24:25 -0500   At 08:19 AM 2003-11-13 -0600, you wrote: >John Foss wrote: > ><"Why are electronic organs so much more expensive in the US? Is it = because >people have been brainwashed into paying more?"> > >Hello John, > >That is an interesting question. Personally I think that slick media >marketing campaigns, manufacturing, high labor costs, along with Dealer >markup has a great deal to do with it here in the USA. Last year I >purchased a custom organ directly from Holland. What is interesting is = the >fact that I could buy an organ driven by the Musicom sound engine = overseas, >and even with shipping, Customs Fees, and transport to my home, I saved >about $10K when compared to buying say, a Johannus, Rodgers, or Allen = from a >dealer here in Wisconsin. > >Tim   Tim,   And now that your favorite organ company has a sales agent in the US, is the price of your instrument still the same as what you paid for it? Just =   asking.   Arie V.        
(back) Subject: From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:30:30 -0500   > Seb and Glenda are being naughty.   So what else is new?   David Baker    
(back) Subject: Re: Alhborn Expander Modules (was Re: Allen MDS Expander II) From: "Joel Armengaud" <jarmengaud@apsydev.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 18:55:59 +0100   Thanks for the answer. I am located in France, and to give you an idea:   the Alhborn Archive is about $1700. the MDS Expander II is about $4000   ....   -Joel   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 5:39 PM Subject: Re: Alhborn Expander Modules (was Re: Allen MDS Expander II)     > At 05:15 PM 2003-11-12 +0100, you wrote: > >First thanks to all who answered my original post about Allen Expander. > >Being a new subscriber to this list, I have positively surprised by the > >number of feedbacks! > > > >Instead of purchasing the Allen Expander, I am now considering the Alhborn > >Archive expanders. They are much cheaper, and have no polyphonic > >limitations. > > > >The 'Classic' module sounds very good. I have been able to listen to = all the > >stops on the French organ site: > >http://www.france-orgue.fr/orgue/index.php?zpg=3Dorg.doc.fch&ido=3D27 > > > >The web is in French, but you can easily recognize the MP3 samples. > > > >Unfortunately there are no such samples for the 'Romantic' module. > >Any owner here who could comment on the Romantic stops? > > > >Thanks in advance, > > > >-Joel Armengaud > > Joel, > > I don't know where you are located, but I don't think the Ahlborn = Archives > are any cheaper than the Allen Expander in North America anyway. > > The limitation with the Ahlborn units is not the number of stops that = can > be played simultaneously, it is the number of notes on the manual divisions > - max of 8 notes at one time. For a lot of people this is not a = problem, > for some it is. > > The Romantic module has samples in it of large scale, fairly high wind > pressure, sort of English (early 20th century), sounds. The Classic module > is more like the typical Ahlborn organ, the 201 is baroque sounding, the > 202 is an odd mixture of stops, with fairly large scale sounding > samples. The sounds overall on each module is quite different. > > Regards, > > Arie V. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Arie Vandenberg > Classic Organbuilders > ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com > Tel.: 905-475-1263 > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Alhborn Expander Modules (was Re: Allen MDS Expander II) From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:30:48 EST   Buy 3 at that price!!!   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4110 - 11/13/03 From: "Octaaf" <octaaf@charter.net> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:40:08 -0600   Arie V. wrote:   "And now that your favorite organ company has a sales agent in the US, is the price of your instrument still the same as what you paid for it? Just asking."   You know Arie, that IS a good question! I met the US Rep when the organ = was delivered and voiced, but haven't discussed prices with him. (I ordered my organ before he came on board with the builder.) My best guess is: I = doubt that I could have bought my organ through him at the price I paid factory direct. I'm sure the US Sales agent adds a percentage to the price tag = ... wouldn't make much sense to be in the organ import business and not make a profit.   Regards, Tim       --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.538 / Virus Database: 333 - Release Date: 11/10/2003    
(back) Subject: RE: The organist as entertainer From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 15:29:16 -0500   > I have not had the pleasure of hearing Felix Hell perform....someday perhaps, but I feel sure that he falls into the category of a serious musician and, maybe in time, a great performer and interpreter.   Yes, indeed. In some repertoire (Buxtehude, for instance, and sometimes = Bach), I think that he is already a great interpreter. He makes the = music come alive in such a way that you say "yes, this is the way it was = meant to be" with no sense that it has suffered any anachronistic = souping-up. His performances are always as worthy of serious listening = and learning-from as those of other major recitalists. The only time = I've heard of his distorting the music is in certain amendments he might = make to Vierne's Finale, which is obviously for fun and merriment, = probably as an encore, as the audience recognizes and takes it in that = spirit. I hope that you do have the chance to hear him soon.   Felix doesn't seem to have performed in Britain yet, which is curious = considering all the other countries in he has appeared. Equally curious = is the fact that Carlo Curley, who grew up somewhere in the southern = U.S., has settled in England and primarily made his reputation there.=20   The only time I have heard Mr. Curley "live" was in the mid 1970s, when = he played the dedication recital for a too-large, too-loud electronic = vulgarity newly installed in a downstate Illinois church. He was, as = you say, a charming young man, already organist at Girard College in = Philadelphia (of which I had never heard. So I assumed it was just = another small college that one wouldn't hear of beyond a radius of a = couple hundred miles. I had no idea what kind of place it is, or what a = distinguished organ it houses.) He regaled us with a few hilarious = stories during his recital and later at dinner, and was technically = proficient; but the hideous instrument on which he performed with such = evident enthusiasm did not work in his favor for a serious evaluation. = But he shouldn't be blamed for this impression, I suppose. It's a = dedicatory recitalist's job to make an audience like the instrument that = they have just acquired, even if it's quite a challenge doing so.      
(back) Subject: looking for music From: "Robert Carl Patterson" <rcpatt@socal.rr.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:35:30 -0800   Does anyone have a copy of Richard Purvis' "What strangers are these" = for organ and choir? Its long out of print.   Sincerely,     Bob Patterson  
(back) Subject: Free State Theatre Organ Society (FSTOS) has new web pages From: "FSTOS" <fstos1984@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:54:56 -0800 (PST)   New web pages are available for FSTOS. This includes a list of coming = concerts and programs as well as pictures and specifications for the = organ. The main pages are: http://expage.com/FSTOS http://www.geocities.com/FSTOS1984       for FSTOS Free State Theatre Organ Society http://expage.com/FSTOS http://www.geocities.com/FSTOS1984   --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard  
(back) Subject: RE: From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 19:45:28 -0600   I aim to please.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of David Baker Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:31 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject:   > Seb and Glenda are being naughty.   So what else is new?        
(back) Subject: Disney Hall acoustics From: "bnorth" <bnorth@intergate.ca> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:52:52 -0800   In today's LA Times (www.latimes.com) there is an article about the = first jazz concert, with pianist Keith Jarrett. Some comment is made = about problems with the acoustics. I cant access the article, does = anyone subscribe to the newspaper? and can tell us what the problems = were?