PipeChat Digest #4123 - Sunday, November 23, 2003
 
Best regards
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Off-topic question
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
Re: Off-topic question
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
NYC concert reminder
  by "Jan S. Van Der Stad" <dorian@nac.net>
Bud
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
Franck and Vierne
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Best regards
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Franck and Vierne
  by <RMaryman@aol.com>
Fwd: Final PhD help request: the words we use to describe pipe organs
  by "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org>
RE: Franck and Vierne
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve>
RE: Franck and Vierne
  by "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com>
Re: Bud
  by "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com>
Concert Time
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Felix's Concert Time
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Felix's Concert Time
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Felix's Concert Time
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Best regards From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:12:09 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   On November 22, St. Caecilia's, my best regards to all musicians on this list. Have a nice "Musician's day" and, most important, many years ahead = in satisfactory activity in our profession.   Best wishes Andres.    
(back) Subject: Off-topic question From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:31:53 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Dear List   What exactly was the so called "Tulpehocken Confusion"?- it is briefly mentioned in the OHS organ handbook 2003, but no details were given. Private answers please. Thanks in advance!   Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.        
(back) Subject: Re: Off-topic question From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 07:01:58 -0600   Briefly stated, it was a dispute between main-stream Lutherans and Christians of more pietist leanings (one might say in some ways analogous to "fundamentalists" today) in the 1740's in Berks County, Pennsylvania. This led to a dispute over the ownership of several churches and over the orthodoxy or otherwise of various preachers. A document produced in 1742, outlining the intrigues of a pastor named Caspar Stiever, was called "Die Confusion von Tulpehocken", from which the controversy gets its name.   John Speller Andr=E9s G=FCnther wrote:   >Andres Gunther >agun@telcel.net.ve > >Dear List > >What exactly was the so called "Tulpehocken Confusion"?- it is briefly >mentioned in the OHS organ handbook 2003, but no details were given. > >        
(back) Subject: NYC concert reminder From: "Jan S. Van Der Stad" <dorian@nac.net> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:36:04 -0500   Greetings-   Herewith an update with program information for the concert tomorrow, Sunday, Nov. 22 at 4 PM at Good Shepherd Lutheran Church in Weehawken, NJ.   This is the information I have, and may not be 100% accurate <grins>.   The church is located at the corner of Park Avenue & Columbia Terrace in Weehawken. Feel free to contact the church for more info. or directions at 201-863-2029. Reception to follow.   I will perform:   Prelude & Fugue in F Major J. S. Bach   Priere a Notre Dame Leon Boellman   -----------------------------------   David Smyth, church organist will perform:   Prelude on "Beautiful Savior" Dale Wood (1934-2003)   Prelude on "This is my Father's World" Emma Lou Diemer (b. 1927)   The Cuckoo Louis Claude D'Aquin (arr. by E. Power Biggs)   Prelude on "How Great thou Art" Emma Lou Diemer (b. 1927)   Choral Fantasy on "Ein Feste Burg" Michael Praetorius (1571-1621)   ----------------------------------------   The Choir of Good Shepherd will perform:   The Lord Bless You and Keep You John Rutter (b. 1945)   Te Ofrecemos, Padre Nuestro/Let us offer to the Father (Misa Popular Nicaraguense)   The organ is a 10 rank Wicks built in 1916 that sustained water and falling plaster damage following Hurricaine Floyd in 2000. We were comissioned to thoroughly clean and refurbish the pipework, refurbish existing chests, provide new all electric chests, revoicing, tonal regulation, and tuning.          
(back) Subject: Bud From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:41:08 EST   I haven't seen postings from Bud in a while - everything OK?   Victoria    
(back) Subject: Franck and Vierne From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 09:30:43 -0600   Dick Siegel's question about best recordings of Widor helped spur these similar questions. It was funny, but I was thinking that question when all of a sudden it appeared - thanks, Dick.   (1) I have two collections of Franck, Murray's and Alain's, and like each of them. I was wondering about the other 'complete works' CDs out there, and which you considered best of them?   (2) Of the CD composites of the Vierne Symphonies out there, which do you recommend highest?   Thank you.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: Re: Best regards From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:32:02 -0600   Thanks, Andres. And the same to you. Alicia Zeilenga Sub-Dean AGO@UI "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis"     -----Original Message----- From: Andr=E9s G=FCnther <agun@telcel.net.ve> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 08:12:09 -0400 Subject: Best regards   > Andres Gunther > agun@telcel.net.ve > > On November 22, St. Caecilia's, my best regards to all musicians on > this > list. Have a nice "Musician's day" and, most important, many years > ahead in > satisfactory activity in our profession. > > Best wishes > Andres. > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >      
(back) Subject: Re: Franck and Vierne From: <RMaryman@aol.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 11:50:53 EST   In a message dated 11/22/2003 10:38:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, gksjd85@direcway.com writes:     > I have two collections of Franck, Murray's and Alain's, and like > each of them. I was wondering about the other 'complete works' CDs out > there, and which you considered best of them?     although I don't know if they have been re-issued on CD, I like the = complete Franck recordings done by Mme Demessieux.(origianally released in the US = on London L.P.'s) She has plenty of technique to spare and I like her interpretations, doubtless inspired greatly by her mentor/teacher Marcel = Dupre'.   > > (2) Of the CD composites of the Vierne Symphonies out there, which do > you recommend highest? >   Another favourite here, also not sure if it ever made it to CD's, but I = have several Vierne recordings (3rd and 6th Symphonies, and the complete Pieces = de Fantasie - sp?) as well as the 3rd movement from the Tryptich Op 58 (Stele =   pour un enfant de'funt) by Gaston Litaize   while I don't much care for the organs used on these recordings, I think = that his rcordings mostly accurately reflect the Vierne stylistically, and Litaize, also being blind gives him (perhaps) some sympathy with Vierne on = a subliminal level that may come thru in his interpretations.   Rick in VA    
(back) Subject: Fwd: Final PhD help request: the words we use to describe pipe organs From: "Administrator" <admin@pipechat.org> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:14:34 -0600   Alastair asks at the end of his first paragraph that this be forwarded to "non piporg-l subscribers you know who regularly listen to or play the pipe organ" so I figured i should send it to our members.   Hope some of you will help him out with this research project.   David     >Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 17:23:57 +0000 >Reply-To: Alastair Disley <aldisley@CARE4FREE.NET> >Sender: Pipe Organs and Related Topics <PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu> >From: Alastair Disley <aldisley@CARE4FREE.NET> >Subject: Final PhD help request: the words we use to describe pipe = organs >To: PIPORG-L@listserv.albany.edu > >Dear piporg-lers, > >Over the past few years, various members of piporg-l have been helping >me with my PhD research into the sound of pipe organs and the words we >use to describe that sound. I have a final on-line experiment to round >up my studies which I'd be grateful for as many answers from as >possible. Unlike my previous tests, this one doesn't involve any audio >examples, so can be taken by anyone with a web browser - it doesn't >matter what country you're in, or what playing experience you have. >Please do forward this request to any non piporg-l subscribers you know >who regularly listen to or play the pipe organ. > >If you're suitably enthused to leap straight in, go for it at: >http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~acd114/tests/words.html > >There's no formal deadline, but within the next week would be good >(before Advent!), and the computer accounts I use will expire in early >January, so the last practical date is January 3rd 2004. Readers and >non-subscribers browsing this in the piporg-l archives are also welcome >to take part before that date. > >My previous tests have proved that some of the words commonly used by >organists and other people familiar with the organ have common >understanding, and other words do not. This may seem like common sense, >but it was important to establish this in a scientifically rigourous >way. The words we use instinctively can now be used (with care) by >musical researchers to understand what we have perceived about sounds >they are investigating. Obviously there are many caveats to this >generalisation - I am steadily filling a thesis on it! > >This final experiment looks at where the words I've already studied come >from. Researchers have usually done this categorisation themselves, but >this has the potential for errors. Some of the words used in the >experiment by listeners, such as "full-bodied", clearly originate >outside the world of the pipe organ. This experiment asks you to >categorise the 59 most common words, and should take about five to ten >minutes. You can find the test at: > >http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~acd114/tests/words.html > >You help is, as ever, very much appreciated. I will shortly be making >available a conference paper I've written on this topic on my website, >and will advertise the address on piporg-l thereafter. > >Alastair Disley > >:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >Note: opinions expressed on PIPORG-L are those of the individual con- >tributors and not necessarily those of the list owners nor of the Uni- >versity at Albany. For a brief summary of list commands, send mail to >listserv@listserv.albany.edu saying GET LSVCMMDS.TXT or see the web >page at http://www.albany.edu/piporg-l/lsvcmmds.html . >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::     -- **************************************** David Scribner Owner / Co-Administrator PipeChat   http://www.pipechat.org mailto:admin@pipechat.org  
(back) Subject: RE: Franck and Vierne From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agun@telcel.net.ve> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:27:08 -0400   Andres Gunther agun@telcel.net.ve   Glenda wrote:   > I have two collections of Franck, Murray's and Alain's, and like > each of them.   Do you refer to Michael Murray on the Saint Sernin C-C? - I find it great!   > I was wondering about the other 'complete works' CDs out > there, and which you considered best of them?   No idea if Jean Langlais performing Franck's complete works on Sainte Clothilde (using only original "Franck-stops") is available on CD. I like = it too; furthermore it's of great interest- Franck's works performed on Franck's organ by a major Franck succesor...   It's somewhat tricky to reccomend (or not) this or that in so subjective things... outside that, you must know that I buy most of my organ records rather in order to listen to the organs and their tonal characteristics = than to the performers and their style. For this my criterion may be very different from the average music enthusiast or critical performance listener.   Talking too much as usual <G> Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: RE: Franck and Vierne From: "David Scribner" <david@blackiris.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:02:01 -0600   At 6:27 PM -0400 11/22/03, Andr=E9s G=FCnther wrote: >No idea if Jean Langlais performing Franck's complete works on Sainte >Clothilde (using only original "Franck-stops") is available on CD. I like i= t >too; furthermore it's of great interest- Franck's works performed on >Franck's organ by a major Franck succesor...   The Langlais recording of the Franck Organ works=20 are available on CD from the OHS Store   http://store.yahoo.com/ohscatalog/lanplayfran.html   According to the write-up - they have been=20 digitally remastered to correct the speed and=20 pitch problems that occurred in the original LPs.   The cover says "Played on the original Franck=20 organ..." which of course is not completely true=20 since during Tournemire's time there were changes=20 made to the organ.   David  
(back) Subject: Re: Bud From: "Noel Stoutenburg" <mjolnir@ticnet.com> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:37:17 -0600   Myosotis51@aol.com wrote:   > I haven't seen postings from Bud in a while - everything OK?   Yes. Bud is OK; as alive, well, and curmudgeonly as ever.   Took leave from this list, though.   ns    
(back) Subject: Concert Time From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:10:55 -0500   Greetings Friends, Would anyone within shouting distance happen to know the confirmed time for Felix Hell's recital at St. John's Armenian Church in Southfield MI tomorrow? There is conflicting information between Felix's website which lists it at 3pm, and the St. John's website which lists it at 730pm. A call to St. Johns a short time ago yielded an earnest maintenance person who did not know the schedule, so I am turning to y'all. Thanks in advance Mike    
(back) Subject: Felix's Concert Time From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 19:34:00 -0500   Hi Mike and Others,   I just phoned them, and the concert is indeed at 7:30. Hans says the = church is extremely interesting. He did not say anything about the Organ, and I forgot to ask.   Cheers,   Malcolm Wechsler   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> To: "Pipechat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 6:10 PM Subject: Concert Time     > Greetings Friends, > Would anyone within shouting distance happen to > know the confirmed time for Felix Hell's recital at St. > John's Armenian Church in Southfield MI tomorrow? There > is conflicting information between Felix's website > which lists it at 3pm, and the St. John's website which > lists it at 730pm. A call to St. Johns a short time ago > yielded an earnest maintenance person who did not know > the schedule, so I am turning to y'all. > Thanks in advance > Mike      
(back) Subject: Re: Felix's Concert Time From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 21:51:53 -0500   On 11/22/03 7:34 PM, "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote:   > I just phoned them, and the concert is indeed at 7:30. Hans says the = church > is extremely interesting. He did not say anything about the Organ, and I > forgot to ask.   Well, Mike would have been just a bit early. Hope he took along a sack lunch.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Felix's Concert Time From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 22:56:12 -0500   Not to worry. It is tomorrow he is talking about.   Cheers,   Malcolm   ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 9:51 PM Subject: Re: Felix's Concert Time     > On 11/22/03 7:34 PM, "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote: > > > I just phoned them, and the concert is indeed at 7:30. Hans says the church > > is extremely interesting. He did not say anything about the Organ, and = I > > forgot to ask. > > Well, Mike would have been just a bit early. Hope he took along a sack > lunch. > > Alan >