PipeChat Digest #4055 - Saturday, October 18, 2003
 
Regal Cinema TO question
  by "=3D?Windows-1252?B?QW5kculzIEf8bnRoZXI=3D?=3D" <agunther@cant
AIO convention 02
  by "=3D?Windows-1252?B?QW5kculzIEf8bnRoZXI=3D?=3D" <agunther@cant
Re: diane bish arrangements
  by "S A" <musicnbooks@hotmail.com>
(no subject)
  by "Steav W. Bates-Congdon" <steav@coffeeconnection.net>
Re: AIO convention 02
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Regal Cinema TO question
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE:
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Seeing ourselves as others see us
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Subsets of talent (was flats/sharps thread)
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: AIO convention 02
  by "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca>
Re: AIO convention 02
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: AIO convention 02
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: AIO convention 02
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Hell Concert
  by "Jon Humbert" <jhumbert@ptd.net>
Consecration of Rev. George Edward Councell at Trinity Cathedral;Music qu
  by <Gamelpt@aol.com>
Re: Hell Concert
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Regal Cinema TO question From: "=3D?Windows-1252?B?QW5kculzIEf8bnRoZXI=3D?=3D" <agunther@cantv.net> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:23:53 -0400   Andres Gunther agunther@cantv.net   This question is mostly for chatters in GB (Colin?)   What happened to the Christie-Unit TO of the former Regal Cinema at Marble Arch? Recently I got the CD set of Quentin Mc Lean's 1930 recordings on = that instrument. According to to the booklet, when the theatre was demolished = in 1964 the organ was puchased and stored. Period. Is this instrument still alive? Was it installed somewhere in recent past?   Thanks in advance for answers. Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: AIO convention 02 From: "=3D?Windows-1252?B?QW5kculzIEf8bnRoZXI=3D?=3D" <agunther@cantv.net> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:07:39 -0400   Andres Gunther agunther@cantv.net   AIO convention 2003 part 02   On Monday morning the convention started with the "Official Opening and A= IO Annual Membership Meeting". In my country such events are very protocolle= d; every board member feels the holy moral obbligation to speak for half an hour at least and the others to put on grim 'Attention' faces meanwhile. = I was relieved to know that good humor prevails at AIO conventions- and tha= t the speeches were *short*! At coffee break I made more friends. "I enjoye= d a lot your articles" was the most frequent remark in these days, and the interest in our C-C organs is so great that I plan to prepare some more accurate technical information about them.   I will skip comments on the lectures we had; enough to say they were instructive and well prepared. At afternoon two organ demonstrations were scheduled: the Letourneau at Lutheran Church of the Redeemer and the Skin= ner at St. Mark's. Jorge Osorio and me stayed for so long in the chamber of t= he Letourneau that the sexton almost locked us in. Gasping we arrived at St Mark's, only to hear "Any question more?" from demonstrator Gary Arnold- = Ow. Fortunatedly we had been there the day before at the recital.   Tuesday we had a comprehensive lecture about room accoustics. They are rather tricky and complicated in USA as I could appreciate in these days. Our uncarpeted brick & marble churches in Venezuela transform even the wo= rst junk into a nice sounding instrument and since 1955 our major auditoriums and concert halls design is assisted by accoustic engineers- no trouble. = In America however you must 'get it right at the first time'- exactly this w= as the title of the next lecture at Spivey Hall (Clayton College & State Universtity) which houses a huge Rufatti. At afternoon we visited three historic organs in downtown Atlanta and had= a lecture-demonstration by Jack Bethards at Holy Innocents Ep. Church afterwards. What most calls to my attention is the widepread use of tunin= g sleeves even on facade pipes, and that most consoles are placed in the chancel, almost as a part of the Altar. If this wasn't a special arrangem= ent for the demostrations it is a sign of how much church music is appreciate= d in liturgy.   Regretfully I wasn't able to climb into high placed organ chambers- only carried leather soled shoes with me, too dangerous to use on ladders. "Andres, you cannot go to a convention in tennis shoes or workman's boots= ! So what do you want to carry them to Atlanta for?", my good wife claimed, and this good boy obbeyed having in mind possible luggage overweight with= out figuring the consequences! :). At least I got great pictures with my 40 years old Minolta (which was nicknamed "Andres' Mechanical Action Camera"= ).   That evening I attended my first Hymn Festival: at Sandy Springs UMC. Ruffling through the Hymnal I was astounded to find our most popular venezuelan christmas carol "Ni=F1o Lindo" (Nr 222 in the 1989 UM Hymnal) accuratedly translated into English, accuratedly written in our typical christmas carol triplet / duplet rhytm and the correct harmonies! A big cheers for that! The Hymn Festival (leaded by Paul Oakley) incidentally started with my favourites: "All creatures of our Lord and King"; "The God of Abraham Praise"; "O Come O come Emmanuel" and "A Mighty Fortress". It wasn't easy for me as newcomer to follow all these instructions - f.e. stanza one all= in unison, stanza two men in unison, stanza three in harmony etc- but it's a good technique since it avoids to get bored at long hymns. Hymn Singing Festivals is a tradition which is worth to be introduced in my country... it's curious that our protestant churches (which were founded mostly by U= S americans) didn't already!   Back in the Hotel I installed myself in the armchair and listened to an organ CD I got from a colleague at the convention, while I started to rea= d "All the Stops" (I catched the last exemplar from the OSI stand!). While listening to a new organ built in best american tradition I went back int= o now long away glorious times and met characters who are almost legends ri= ght now. Some facts were completely new for me: that once upon a time the pip= e organ was almost as popular as the piano and organ recitals were better attended than baseball games! Outside the USA rather few things are known about its complex and unique organ culture. This doesn't make justice to = all these magnificient organs (the best ones always rooted in the 'great romantic tradition' it seems to me), or to outstanding figures, from E. Skinner, E. Power Biggs and 'enfant terrible' Vergil Fox (who was *the* Organ Superstar when I was a teenager) up to present organ virtuosos. "Al= l the Stops" is a fine book for everybody who wants to take first steps int= o US- organ culture and history knowledge.   When I finally had a look at my watch it was almost one o'clock!   (will be ctd.) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: Re: diane bish arrangements From: "S A" <musicnbooks@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:33:04 -0500   I have played many of her arrangements. I play on a two-manual, 27 rank organ. A few of my personal favorites are: Amazing Grace, When I = Survey the Wondrous Cross, This is My Father's World, and Finlandia. My congregation loves them, and I even had one member tell me he wanted ONLY Bish played at his funeral. Incidentally, this is my first post to the list, but have been a "lurker" for quite some time. Shannon Arnett First United Methodist Columbia, TN     >From: tcbussey@comcast.net >Reply-To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: pipechat@pipechat.org >Subject: diane bish arrangements >Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:37:39 -0400 > >Hello, I am not that familiar with playing Diane Bish's arrangements but = I >am gradually working my ability level to play them. Can anyone tell me = if >the majority of her works are playable on a two manual organ? Thanks! > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >   _________________________________________________________________ Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign = in enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=3Dfeatures/es    
(back) Subject: From: "Steav W. Bates-Congdon" <steav@coffeeconnection.net> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 10:52:12 -0400       > Hmmmm- > I learned sharp keys first on piano - I preferred flats... > I played sharp keys first on piano - I still preferred flats... > I learned technique stuff (such as it is!) on organ first in sharp > keys - I still preferred flats... > I played sharp keys on organ first - yeah, I S P F... > I have been doing it all now for 48 years and... > I still prefer flats! > > I think it is because my first piano teacher (god rest her patient > soul) once said, > " The problem with sharp keys is that they are so black on the page. > (Thus potentially more intimidating) > > I suspect that flat keys use fewer pixels! > pax - > steav > > > Steav W. Bates-Congdon > If god's graces are imparted when we sin, > then we must go and sin boldly! > ---Martin Luther    
(back) Subject: Re: AIO convention 02 From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:23:00 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   A mechanical action Minolta?   They can keep their digital rubbish. I will stick with my tracker Leica!!   (Not to be confused with the bally Leica.....that's the one with the broken spring!)   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Andr=E9s G=FCnther <agunther@cantv.net> wrote: > At least I got great > pictures with my 40 > years old Minolta (which was nicknamed "Andres' > Mechanical Action Camera").     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Regal Cinema TO question From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:27:00 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   The story of the Regal Marble Arch Christie is especially tragic.   The organ was removed by an "enthusiast" and stored in a barn where, to the best of my knowledge, it still resides.   Attempts to purchase the remnants have proved negative, and it is difficult to imagine that this organ will ever see the light of day (or the dark of the orchestra pit) again.   This organ was, of course, the largest cinema organ in Europe, and a rather good one.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK --- Andr=E9s G=FCnther <agunther@cantv.net> wrote: > Andres Gunther > agunther@cantv.net > > This question is mostly for chatters in GB (Colin?) > > What happened to the Christie-Unit TO of the former > Regal Cinema at Marble > Arch?   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 11:56:31 -0400   I've gotten into this discussion late, so forgive me if I'm covering old territory. I have always transposed. When I see a score marked with 2 sharps, I play = 5 flats without even thinking. Maybe this is why no one ever wishes to play with me. Interesting phenomena, isn't it?   AjM   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of = Steav W. Bates-Congdon Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 10:52 AM To: PipeChat Subject:     Hmmmm- I learned sharp keys first on piano - I preferred flats... I played sharp keys first on piano - I still preferred flats... I learned technique stuff (such as it is!) on organ first in sharp keys - = I still preferred flats... I played sharp keys on organ first - yeah, I S P F... I have been doing it all now for 48 years and... I still prefer flats!   I think it is because my first piano teacher (god rest her patient soul) once said, " The problem with sharp keys is that they are so black on the page. (Thus potentially more intimidating)   I suspect that flat keys use fewer pixels! pax - steav     <?center>Steav W. Bates-Congdon If god's graces are imparted when we sin, then we must go and sin boldly! ---Martin Luther <?/center>    
(back) Subject: Seeing ourselves as others see us From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 12:14:40 -0400   On 10/17/03 11:07 AM, "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agunther@cantv.net> wrote:   > Andres Gunther > agunther@cantv.net >=20 > AIO convention 2003 part 02 >=20 > In my country such events are very protocolled; every board member feels = the > holy moral obbligation to speak for half an hour at least and the others = to > put on grim 'Attention' faces meanwhile. I was relieved to know that good > humor prevails at AIO conventions- and that the speeches were *short*!   Andres, you may have read the line somewhere, "O wad some Power the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us!" by Bobbie Burns, Scots poet, from his 1798 "Ode to a Louse." ("Oh, would some power give us the gift to see ourselves as others see us.")   We Americans have been surprised in the past six or eight months to find ourselves having trouble with that Gift. We naively THINK we're nice folks trying to do the right thing, but hearing from so many cultures that we are a bunch of arrogant bastards--and then realizing that there just may be som= e truth in it. =20   So your few lines shed some light on that, too: If our "style" in somethin= g as ordinary as a little meeting is a bit perplexing to someone as nearby (and culturally related) as Venezuela, imagine how our foreign policy and military stance(s) must look to people who see us (and our geopolitics) differently--especially since we have have so little unanimity among ourSELVES.   Thanks for a bit of "the giftie."   Alan =20    
(back) Subject: RE: Subsets of talent (was flats/sharps thread) From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:05:09 -0400   Mike Franch asks:   > On a digital instrument with a transposer button, can you play a key = that=20 has been electronically transposed?   No, it's easier for me to do it the old-fashioned way. I'll never = forget the train wreck that occurred the one and only time I tried it = during a service.=20   > Do you play by ear?   Somewhat if required, but not in a way that either a good improvisateur, = or a good jazzman, or my theory teacher could admire.   > Do you have perfect pitch?   I used to, but it has now become quite imperfect. Perhaps that came = from sitting in the front row for half of a Virgil recital around 1969. = One of my fellow students had warned me, "Remember, you used to have = perfect pitch."   > Can you transpose a piece just by reading the notes on the page, or do = you transpose by ear?   Sometimes one way, sometimes the other. "By ear" is the easiest way, of = course, if it is a hymn or simple piece that you already know. Another = way (recommended by some people who do it well) is to read the notes as = though they were in movable clefs. A third way is to do harmonic = analysis on the fly, which is a matter both of reading the notes and = working by ear. I'm not expert at transposition, but managed to do it = well enough to pass my AAGO.   > Can you sight read?   Yes, I used to be quite good at it, but everyone should prepare to face = the fact eventually, that a prerequisite for good sight reading is good = sight. It doesn't get any better as one gets on in years. But then, = sight reading ability does allegedly have its drawbacks. Early on as a = student of Jerald Hamilton, he asked me whether I were a good sight = reader. I said yes, I thought I was pretty good. He replied, "I am = too, and you have my deepest sympathy."   > Can you pick up from the middle of a piece, or do you always have to = start at the beginning?   I never heard that picking up from the middle of a piece is a problem = for anyone, unless you're thinking of playing from memory. It is = sometimes a problem for relatively untrained choirs, who can be very = fussy about where they are asked to begin singing in a rehearsal. While = there is every reason to start at an easy and natural spot most of the = time (e.g. "a rehearsal letter") , I also think that there is a = pedagogical and disciplinary benefit to starting at an awkward spot once = in awhile just for the halibut. This would be an interesting question = to discuss.   > Do you "sniff" the beat, or have another annoying habit that you're = unaware=20 of=20   Not that I'm aware of :-)    
(back) Subject: Re: AIO convention 02 From: "Russ Greene" <rggreene2@shaw.ca> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 13:27:38 -0500   Well, gotta tell you...   We have at our disposal easily 20 high quality 35mm and 2-1/4 cameras (including 5 Leicas) with over 60 lenses and all the stuff - a legacy from my wife's late husband who was a professional photographer. And since we went digital - a Leica, mind you - we've never shot a single frame of film, just thousands and thousands of digital images. And couldn't be happier with both quality and convenience!   Different strokes...   Russ         On Friday, October 17, 2003, at 10:23 AM, Colin Mitchell wrote:   > They can keep their digital rubbish. I will stick with > my tracker Leica!!    
(back) Subject: Re: AIO convention 02 From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 15:24:07 -0400   On 10/17/03 11:23 AM, "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > A mechanical action Minolta?   > They can keep their digital rubbish. I will stick with my tracker = Leica!! > Agree totally, Colin. But I hope Andres didn't think (as I did at = too-quick first glance) that the antecedent of "They" was "Minolta," but "the Philistines out there."   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: AIO convention 02 From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:43:58 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   What is an anticedent?   Never did understand the English language!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- Alan Freed <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote: > On 10/17/03 11:23 AM, "Colin Mitchell" > <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > Agree totally, Colin. But I hope Andres didn't > think (as I did at too-quick > first glance) that the antecedent of "They" was > "Minolta," but "the > Philistines out there."     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: AIO convention 02 From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:47:20 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Ah! But can you count all the feathers on a pixilated penguin?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Russ Greene <rggreene2@shaw.ca> wrote: > Well, gotta tell you... >   > since we went digital - a Leica, mind you - we've > never shot a single > frame of film........ > couldn't be happier with both quality and > convenience!     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Hell Concert From: "Jon Humbert" <jhumbert@ptd.net> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 18:30:08 -0400   Hello Chatters,   Just wondering if anyone else was planning on going to Felix's concert at the Lutheran Theological Seminary in Gettysburg on Sunday. I am planning on going. Does anyone have any information on the Andover organ at the chapel? I'm looking forward to it.   Regards, Jonathan Humbert   --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.525 / Virus Database: 322 - Release Date: 10/9/2003    
(back) Subject: Consecration of Rev. George Edward Councell at Trinity Cathedral;Music query for From: <Gamelpt@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 19:44:12 EDT   The Consecration of The Reverend George Edward Councell, Eleventh Bishop = of the Diocese of New Jersey at Trinity Cathedral in Trenton, NJ is scheduled = for 11:00am on Saturday, October 18th. I would greatly appreciate it if = someone would render a reply as to what music will be played at the Consecration service. Thanks, John  
(back) Subject: Re: Hell Concert From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2003 20:19:46 EDT   go to the andover web site.