PipeChat Digest #4058 - Sunday, October 19, 2003
 
Re: Keys with flats
  by "Paul" <pianoman1@ntlworld.com>
Re: AIO convention 03
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: Keys with flats
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Multiplex/Combination Actions
  by "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@msn.com>
Disney Hall Article in Washington Post
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Urgent request
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Carillonneur James Lawson dead at 84
  by <DudelK@aol.com>
Re: Multiplex/Combination Actions
  by "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com>
Anyone know if....
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
Skyline or vista?
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Skyline or vista?
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Multiplex/Combination Actions
  by "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net>
Food for thought
  by "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net>
Re: Food for thought
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Food for thought
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
RE: Christmas Eve
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Keys with flats From: "Paul" <pianoman1@ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:50:11 +0100   Someone mentioned that there is no such key as D sharp major? I must therefore be doing something wrong, because I have been teaching people = that scale for years!!   Explain? Maybe I have missed the joke ;-)   Paul.    
(back) Subject: Re: AIO convention 03 From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 07:49:14 -0400   Dear List,   I just have one correction to Andres's description of the third day of the AIO convention in Atlanta:   Fritz Noack did not actually deliver his talk about the genesis of the = very fine Organ at Mercer College. He became ill, and was unable to attend the convention. Someone else agreed to read the text, which Fritz sent along. = It was quite interesting, concerning his exploration into what the 19th and early 20th century American builders did to build successful instruments = in dead acoustical spaces - partly larger basses and carefully scaled down trebles. I was fascinated by his description of sitting for an hour or so = in the empty auditorium absorbing the dead atmosphere of the room and contemplating what he might do about and for it. Whatever it was, it = really did work. For me, it was reminiscent of that week in the 50s, I think, = when Walter Holtkamp (Senior) camped out in Corpus Christi Church on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, listening to the building and to the many Masses that took place during the week. He then tendered a contract to the priest in charge, giving no details but saying only, I, Walter Holtkamp, will = build an Organ suitable to the needs of Corpus Christi Parish, at a cost not to exceed $27,000. Having fled from the horrible make-believe Aeolian-Skinner in the dead acoustic of the (old) Juilliard Recital Hall, I played my graduate recital across the way at Corpus Christi, and remember that instrument still with fondness.   Cheers,   Malcolm (still in Richmond) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agunther@cantv.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: AIO convention 03     > Andres Gunther > agunther@cantv.net > > AIO convention 2003 Part 03 > > "Last day!", was the average remark on wednesday morning. A last look at the > exhibitor's stands- then to the second AIO annual membership meeting. > Keeping in mind the average situation the figures in american pipe organ > industry are good and leave space to optimism; but many things must be done, > not only at builder's but at musician's level too. I will come back = about > that, but first I'll conclude with my impressions. > > At Mercer University I saw one of the loveliest and best crafted neobarroque > organs, and its builder Fritz Noack gave a lecture about how he managed = to > design a successful instrument for this really awful overdead = accoustics. > <Immense and regrettable snip>    
(back) Subject: Re: Keys with flats From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 20:19:53 +0800   I think you have been teaching the scale of Eb major Paul. I have never seen a scale with double sharps in it and there would be several in a scale of D# major. Bob Elms.   ---- Original Message ---- From: pianoman1@ntlworld.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Keys with flats Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:50:11 +0100   >Someone mentioned that there is no such key as D sharp major? I must >therefore be doing something wrong, because I have been teaching >people that >scale for years!! > >Explain? Maybe I have missed the joke ;-) > >Paul. >    
(back) Subject: Multiplex/Combination Actions From: "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@msn.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:30:43 -0400   We are about to begin a fairly large renovation and addition project to = our III/38 1967 Moller. We are replacing our original remote combination = action (which still functions perfectly on its original leather, believe it or = not) with a solid state system (new switching, etc). After looking at = literature and the three builders we plan to consider, we are extremely interested in the Peterson ICS-4000, their new product that integrates all functions = into one system, accessible from one 4-line phosphorescent display. Does = anyone out there have experience with this system? Any strong opinions on other systems? We are finding when we investigate that most builders are wedded to one company or another for this sort of thing...is there another = company that has a similar product?   FYI: the literature for the Peterson ICS-4000 is available at www.petersonemp.com   Thanks!   Mark   Mark L. Hopper Associate Minister of Music and Organist The First Baptist Church 205 West Winder Street PO Box 75 Henderson, NC 27536 (O) 252-438-3172 (H) 252-492-6774 (F) 252-438-3710 markhopper@ncol.net    
(back) Subject: Disney Hall Article in Washington Post From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:55:04 EDT   There's an interesting piece about the hall by the Washington Post's architecture writer Benjamin Forgey at: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A42062-2003Oct17.html      
(back) Subject: Urgent request From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 10:51:08 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I have been trying to contact pipechat member David V.Barton, who is travelling to the UK in November.   His e-mail address is bouncing back at me.   If he, or anyone else, can contact me with new e-mail details, I would be grateful.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Carillonneur James Lawson dead at 84 From: <DudelK@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:05:26 EDT   James Lawson, carillonneur at Rockefeller Chapel, Riverside Church, and = the Crystal Cathedral has died. The obituary may be found at: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/19/nyregion/19LAWS.html    
(back) Subject: Re: Multiplex/Combination Actions From: "V. David Barton" <vdbarton@erols.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 14:13:16 -0400   Hi, Mark,   My church had its 1922 E. M. Skinner console rebuilt just before I took = over as DOM, which was nearly 4 years ago. A Peterson system which I = believe was the predecessor of the ICS-4000 was installed. Apart from a = couple of false starts during the period immediately following = installation, which I blame on the installer, not on the equipemnt, I've = been very pleased with the result. This church chose a local guy, who's = far more a tuner/technician than a builder, to do the work, and I = believe that was the source of our difficulty. However, with some = consultation between him and the Peterson people, they managed to work = out the bugs, and it's performed flawlessly ever since. I'm = particularly impressed with how quietly the combination action operates = when compared to original systems of similar age which are = pneumatic-driven. I'm also very pleased that it doesn't lose its memory = settings when the power fails, which sadly, happnes a lot more often = than I wish it would.   My experience, for whatever it's worth.   Dave ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark L. Hopper=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 8:30 AM Subject: Multiplex/Combination Actions     We are about to begin a fairly large renovation and addition project = to our III/38 1967 Moller. We are replacing our original remote = combination action (which still functions perfectly on its original = leather, believe it or not) with a solid state system (new switching, = etc). After looking at literature and the three builders we plan to = consider, we are extremely interested in the Peterson ICS-4000, their = new product that integrates all functions into one system, accessible = from one 4-line phosphorescent display. Does anyone out there have = experience with this system? Any strong opinions on other systems? We = are finding when we investigate that most builders are wedded to one = company or another for this sort of thing...is there another company = that has a similar product?   FYI: the literature for the Peterson ICS-4000 is available at = www.petersonemp.com   Thanks!   Mark   Mark L. Hopper Associate Minister of Music and Organist The First Baptist Church 205 West Winder Street PO Box 75 Henderson, NC 27536 (O) 252-438-3172 (H) 252-492-6774 (F) 252-438-3710 markhopper@ncol.net=20    
(back) Subject: Anyone know if.... From: "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 16:05:25 -0400   Greetings fellow listers. Does anyone know if any photographs exist of the Aeolian-Skinner Organ originally installed in the Busch-Reisinger Museum, later replaced by the Flentrop? I realize that the Aeolian-Skinner later burned. If anyone has any pictures of this instrument I would appreciate seeing one or more.   Thanks again,   Mack      
(back) Subject: Skyline or vista? From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 13:29:13 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   For reasons that remain obscure, even to myself, I was contemplating American cities such a Dallas, NY, Chicago and Las Vegas. Then a strange thought occurred to me.   With so much land, why are many American cities built vertically?   This led to an almost surreal moment.   If a baroque, 18th century werkprinzip organ were stretch out horizontally across a floor, would it still by werkprinzip?   (See what I mean by surreal? I haven't worked out the connection myself yet).   It seems to me, that there is a psychology to disposition, where we are relatively insensitive to musical ups and down, but highly sensitive to musical lefts and rights.   Why else would orchestras and choirs be placed on terraces?   Would it matter if they wandered around as they sung or played instruments? (No puns about "the wanderer" fantasia or promenade concerts please)   So my question is, can a werkprinzip organ be built horizontally, and still remain werkprinzip? (I am talking one storey construction here, say across a gallery or a whole wall).   Before answering, perhaps we might consider the pedal divisions of werkprinzip organs, which are often left and right of centre. Why doesn't THAT matter?   Could it be that we are especially sensitive to mid-range frequencies and, if so, is this connected to our primitive hunting instincts as well as those of fleeing from danger?   You can investigate this for yourselves of course, in the warmth of your own homes. Find the softest audible noise of something being dropped, like a thimble on a carpet. Get someone to drop it at various points, and believe me, with eyes firmly shut, it is possible to point at the point of impact with incredible accuracy, even when it is behind you.   With very low frequency normal sound, this is much more difficult; and with white noise low frequency sound, almost impossible.   My conclusion is, that all the major differences between a romantic organ and a baroque or french symphonic organ, are to be found in those middle frequencies, to which we are extremely sensitive.   Electronically, I can actually prove this.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK                     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Skyline or vista? From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 19:02:41 -0400   On 10/19/03 4:29 PM, "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:   > With so much land, why are many American cities built vertically? > Well, on your larger questions, I'm not sure I can help much. But on this "starting-point" question, I'll give it a try. It MAY apply to the larger questions.   The most expensive housing in New York City (on a "dollars-per-square-foot basis") is unquestionably in the apartment buildings (and a few = town-houses) on Fifth Avenue and Park Avenue, soon followed by Central Park West. Apartments there typically sell (as condos or co-ops) for $3 to $15 = million each). Some, much more. (Plus several thousand dollars monthly "maintenance fee.")   The gentlefolk who live in those buildings make $1 million per year, and = up. WAY up. The usual expression is that "time =3D money." Them gentlefolk, = if physical fitness freaks, can often WALK to their office within ten = minutes. If it's cold or rainy, they can get there by taxi in five minutes. Home = and work are quite close together. (Same with the kids' schools, and the = opera house and madam's hair-dresser and fave restaurant.)   Their apartment buildings, and the buildings in which they work, COULD be built to a maximum of four storeys in height. But in that case, Midtown Manhattan would reach half-way across New Jersey or even out into Pennsylvania somewhere. It would take at least an hour to get to work, = even if we had those fast French and Japanese trains. (And it would take a LOT of them.) So now time =3D money =3D horizontal linear = feet/kilometers/whatever.   That's as far as I can take you. Our organ (23 ranks) is maybe 9 feet = wide, may 9 feet deep, and 30 or 40 feet high. Every square inch costs a lot of money in Manhattan (and Chicago, San Francisco, etc.). Typical office = space rents at $40 to $80 per square foot per month. (Less in a crummy = building.)   If the U.S. were three times its size, it really wouldn't change things much. Los Angeles is a different matter. They don't "work" there; they just fool around. So it takes a couple days to cross the city from one = edge to the other. (OK, I'm exaggerating a LITTLE; they do have freeways.)   Alan (no economist)          
(back) Subject: Re: Multiplex/Combination Actions From: "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:09:07 -0400   " We are replacing our original remote combination action (which still = functions perfectly on its original leather, believe it or not)"   Why change it then? (C:   = -Nate = "The nosey apprentice"  
(back) Subject: Food for thought From: "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:30:32 -0400   Hello chatters!   There is a certain Moller that was toasterized about 15 years ago or so that I get to tune a few times a year. It seems that a certain glitch has appeared in this organ and now without warning the organ will peal out = brief blips at full organ for no apparent reason at all. The manufacturer had "never heard of that happening before". If it were electro-pneumatic I could go skin a sheep and fix it up. Unfortunately, finding that resistor #56 on board B is fried isn't quite so easy. It's also worth noting (and certainly not to say anything ill of those organists on here who know how = to use such machinery to full advantage) that a large quantity of the toaster consoles out there don't seem to ever make it beyond memory level #1.   Once it's gone it's gone! Besides, I like a nice ka-thwunk when I hit a piston. (C:   = -Nate   "The electro-pneumatic apprentice"        
(back) Subject: Re: Food for thought From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:53:18 EDT   In a message dated 10/19/2003 9:32:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Bigaquarium@netzero.net writes:   > Unfortunately, finding that resistor > #56 on board B is fried isn't quite so easy. It's also   A trained tech can find it... and usually quickly although they get an = hourly rate regardless. As to the thunk of the stops and all, i do miss helping to time out the pastoral prayer with a good thwunk at about 7 minutes....   I will take lights anytime though for my getting over 47 eyes.   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Food for thought From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:10:42 -0500   At 08:53 PM 10/19/03, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/19/2003 9:32:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, >Bigaquarium@netzero.net writes: > >Unfortunately, finding that resistor >#56 on board B is fried isn't quite so easy. It's also   That's the problem...you don't even bother to look for it...REPLACE BOARD = B!      
(back) Subject: RE: Christmas Eve From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 21:10:51 -0500   Alan, the grownups send the kids to bed and read the instructions for assembling all the toys. That's what the whiskey behind the barn is for! Sometimes they stay up all night and smoke a turkey - I did that once and it is for the birds.   No one in my home town does a midnight Mass - the Episcopal Church where I played did the only Christmas Eve service in town, at 8:00 p.m. Then I went home, mixed a strong drink and fell asleep to the Pope's homily, with visions of sugar plums or emeralds dancing in my head.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com     -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Alan Freed > Yes, indeed he's right. I've got used to that. (And anybody who knows Bod and me knows that I appreciate it hugely.) So they are "at home with family on Christmas Eve"--and then, about 10 or 10:30 p.m., what do they DO? Isn't there something that Christians do at about that hour on that one night of the year? (Unless you're a weird Swede and do it at about 4:30 a.m. on the 25th)?   Ya just go t'bed? (Or "drink behind the barn"?) What is this all ABOUT, for Pete's sake??   Alan   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org