PipeChat Digest #4066 - Friday, October 24, 2003
 
(no subject)
  by "Thomas Mohr" <thomasmohr@aon.at>
visit
  by "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net>
Re: church demolition salvage site
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: church demolition salvage site
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
Re: PipeChat Digest #4065 - 10/23/03
  by <OrgelspielerKMD@aol.com>
Noon Concert in Allentown
  by "Stephen Williams" <stepwill@enter.net>
Re: Real Coffee- Real Spills
  by "Mickey Sadler" <mickeysadler@wowway.com>
Chiff
  by "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com>
Re: Chiff
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Chiff
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
IRC tonight
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Chiff
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
A worthwhile cause
  by <Myosotis51@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: From: "Thomas Mohr" <thomasmohr@aon.at> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:17:59 +0200   That reminds me of a stop in an organ in Germany called "Rauschpfeife 40% 3= f".=20 (Rausch means intoxication or rush, roar). If one draws the stop, a door=20 opens revealing 3 glasses and a bottle of good brandy.   A similar stop is called "Rauschwerk und Vogelschrey [cry of a bird])". Thi= s=20 one contains a bottle of wine, but to prevent the organist from having a go= od=20 time during boring sermons, a pipe whistles like a bird upon opening the=20 door.   regards, Thomas     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Subject: Re: Real Coffee- Real Spills =46rom: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:28:11 -0500   How about console manufactures including Cup Holders in their '04=20 models? =A0Mounted on the side jambs, they can labelled: =A08' Java Gedeckt= -=20 available on the Swell and Great - with Octave couplers for Cream &=20 Sugar. =A0   David E   David Evangelides Colorado Springs, Colorado =2D-=20 DI Thomas Mohr Institute of Cancer Research - Vienna University Borschkegasse 8a A-1090 Vienna Austria Tel ++43 (1) 4277 65160 =46ax ++43 (1) 4277 65196    
(back) Subject: visit From: "Dr. Amy Fleming" <docamy@alltel.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 06:55:24 -0500   Hello. My family had the pleasure of visiting Travis Evans at Holy Cross Lutheran in O'Fallon, MO last Sunday for their worship service. Listening to him was a real treat, he is very talented. I am envious, I wish we = had that kind of music at our church! Amy Fleming    
(back) Subject: Re: church demolition salvage site From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 07:23:18 -0500   At 11:58 PM 10/22/2003 -0300, Daniel wrote: >here is a link I stumbled over . it is a detailed list of items from >churches slated for demolition , one includes a 1922 Kimball organ   Oh, My!   Is it just too early for me to be looking at not-very-good photos, or does =   the console in that listing look like it has a PLAYER MECHANISM built into =   the middle of it...???!?!   That would make it rather an interesting instrument indeed...!   Anyone recognize the organ/church/etc? (long URL alert!)   http://citysalvage.com/demolitions.asp?startat=3D25&subcategory=3DAndrew%20= Riverside%20Sale%20Items     Signed, Just Curious    
(back) Subject: Re: church demolition salvage site From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:16:00 -0300   I enhanced the photo on my computer Tim, And that is a player mechanism = on that console Danielwh    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4065 - 10/23/03 From: <OrgelspielerKMD@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:40:31 EDT   In a message dated 10/23/03 5:02:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:   > Subject: Re: Real Coffee- Real Spills > From: <Gfc234@aol.com> > Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:12:36 EDT > > In a message dated 10/22/2003 12:34:14 PM Central Daylight Time, > davide@theatreorgans.com writes: > 8' Java Gedeckt - > available on the Swell and Great - with Octave couplers for Cream & > Sugar. > how about the cognac gedect-at 25 and 50 years! LOL   alas...if only people spent 1/2 the time practicing as they do = drinking.....    
(back) Subject: Noon Concert in Allentown From: "Stephen Williams" <stepwill@enter.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 09:40:39 -0400   The last of our October series of Noon-Ten Concerts at St. John's = Lutheran Church in downtown Allentown, PA will be on Tuesday, the 28th = featuring organist Mark Anderson. His program will be Chorale (Jongen), = Speculum Vitae (Peeters), Five Neumeister Chorales (Bach), Prelude, = Fugue et Variation (Franck), and Paean - A Song of Triumph = (Chuckerbutty). Mark is Organist-Choirmaster at The Presbyterian Church = of Chestnut Hill (Philadelphia), resident of a splendid III/58 (if I = remember correctly) Mander from 2000. He will be joined by mezzo Alyson = Harvey for the beautiful Flor Peeters piece. As always, if you're in the = area, please drop by!   Also, a quick note that Gordon Turk will perform at St. John's on = Friday, Nov 7 at 7:30 p.m. Details later.   Stephen Williams  
(back) Subject: Re: Real Coffee- Real Spills From: "Mickey Sadler" <mickeysadler@wowway.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:39:20 -0700   David Evangelides wrote:   > Subject: Re: Real Coffee- Real Spills > From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> > Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:28:11 -0500 > > How about console manufactures including Cup Holders in their '04 > models? Mounted on the side jambs, they can labelled: 8' Java > Gedeckt - > available on the Swell and Great - with Octave couplers for Cream & > Sugar. > > David E > > David Evangelides > Colorado Springs, Colorado >   Reminds me of what was supposed to be a trouble call to a computer manufacturer. The customer told the tech rep that her coffee cup holder was broken and she wanted it repaired. The tech rep, after many questions, determined that she was using the CD-ROM tray that had extended from the computer as a cup holder.   Mickey   ---- Mickey E. Sadler Dublin, Ohio    
(back) Subject: Chiff From: "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 14:12:15 -0500   What causes the 'chiff' sounds in a pipe organ? Which stops are able, or have the chiff sound?   And why does it stir controversy amongst organists, builders and enthusiasts?   Some like it, some loathe it.   Is is a characteristic of a certain builder or style?   Mike Franch Madison, WI   _________________________________________________________________ Add MSN 8 Internet Software to your current Internet access and enjoy patented spam control and more. Get two months FREE! http://join.msn.com/?page=3Ddept/byoa    
(back) Subject: Re: Chiff From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 13:16:33 -0700   Mike Franch wrote:   > What causes the 'chiff' sounds in a pipe organ?   Mostly lack of nicking in the windway ... somebody else can explain the physics (grin), or go to the AIO website and read the article on flue voicing.   Which stops are able, or > have the chiff sound?   Flutes, principals, and strings (!), mostly   > > And why does it stir controversy amongst organists, builders and > enthusiasts?   Thinking that chiff should be AUDIBLE in the nave of the church (as opposed to up close in the organ-loft) was one of the mistakes the American neo-baroque builders made. In vast, reverberant European churches, chiff gave clarity to initial attack WITHOUT being audible downstairs; SOME American builders carried that style of voicing back to American and applied it to organs in acoustically dead rooms, and/or planted pipes voiced that way on pitman chests; the result resembled a xylophone, and electronic instruments faithfully imitated it ... listen to the chiff on an early Allen organ (grin).   > > Some like it, some loathe it.   You should NEVER be able to hear it DOWNSTAIRS.   > > Is is a characteristic of a certain builder or style? >   Um, most of the Grade B American builders back in the 1960s ... the GOOD ones like John Brombaugh and those who apprenticed with him got it right, and a few others. Even garden-variety Flentrops and Beckeraths didn't spit and sputter (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Chiff From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 17:36:13 EDT   Dear Mike Franch:   Chiff is usually voiced out of pipes, by position of the languid, nicking and the cut up of the upper lip. Chiff usually resides in poorly voiced, unnicked pipes for effect. I find too much chiff very annoying. Stopped flutes usually carry a transient jump to the second harmonic the 12th. Open pipes give a transient to the first harmonic at the octave. Many experts, unqualified of course, insisted that this was a good thing. There is some chiff left in by the old masters, and it has been discovered that they did infact nick pipes. If you have wide open toe voicing, and the pipe is too loud the lower lip needs to be adjusted anyway to close off excess wind. You either control wind at the foot or the mouth. It's not necessary to have wide open toes in order to obtain a good sound. If a pipe sounds particularly strange in intonation it is quite likely a burr of pipe metal at the toe windway of the pipe, or a piece of wood shaving caught in the lower lip and the languid. Either way the dendrites needs to be carefully removed. Langiuds can drop a bit in poorly made thin walled pipes. tapping with a small round object through the pipe toe can raise the languid a bit so the pipe will speak correctly. More than you ever cared to know, probably.   Ron Severin   PS Nicking depth and width is determined by the head voicer. Many old line companies kept a formula book on how to voice their pipes including nicking which is a science in itself. Each type of stop got its own character of treatment. Reeds, curvature of the reed tongue, the shallot type open or closed, domed or flat weights, leathering the shallot, all determined by the tone desired. We've heard of leathered upper lips of Diapasons, without it they don't sound right in romantic work. It's an old practice to smooth out the tone. It does produce a velvety sound. None of this is either bad or good, but the sound decided upon by the tonal director of the project in terms of what is expected by the customer. He carries out this necessary chore. Again, probably more than you cared to know.   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: IRC tonight From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 18:28:14 -0700   Our semi-official Thursday nite chat ...   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Chiff From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 21:32:43 EDT   In a message dated 10/23/2003 3:48:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, mike6514@hotmail.com writes:   > Some like it, some loathe it. >   count me a loather----leather those lips and give me roll bars galore.   smooth and silky and characterless often like the church it resides in.   All kidding aside, too much of anything is bad---but chiff on strings like =   the old studio Casavant at CCM is too much of a bad thing.   THIS IS GOING TO BE FUN AND A LEARNING THREAD I THINK!   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: A worthwhile cause From: <Myosotis51@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 02:15:19 EDT   <A = HREF=3D"http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/CTDSites">The= Breast Cancer Site : Fund Mammograms for Free</A>   Please check out the site, and click on the link. There's a sponsor = willing to donate $$ for a mammogram for each click.