PipeChat Digest #4067 - Saturday, October 25, 2003
Re: chiff
  by "Thomas Mohr" <thomasmohr@aon.at>
leathered lips
  by "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com>
RE: Chiff
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agunther@cantv.net>
RE: Real Coffee- Real Spills
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agunther@cantv.net>
RE: Chiff
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: leathered lips
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>

(back) Subject: Re: chiff From: "Thomas Mohr" <thomasmohr@aon.at> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:13:46 +0200   The Chiff is basically the sound produced by the wind the few microseconds =   between opening the valve and the pipe beginning to speak.   You find it only in labial pipes such as principals stirngs and flutes. In = my opinion, it should not be audible downstairs in strings and principals, = but there shoud be a slight chiff in stops like a copel or a gedackt, since it =   helps defining the tone. However, as in everything, too much is bad.   regards, Thomas     -- DI Thomas Mohr Institute of Cancer Research - Vienna University Borschkegasse 8a A-1090 Vienna Austria Tel ++43 (1) 4277 65160 Fax ++43 (1) 4277 65196    
(back) Subject: leathered lips From: "Gary Black" <gblack@ocslink.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 07:27:09 -0500   List, I have as set of diapasons made by Estey in 1906 with leathered = lips. The sound is very smooth and seems to lack harmonics, I would assume = because of that treatment. They are leathered around tenor C and up but not in = the trebles. Gary      
(back) Subject: RE: Chiff From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agunther@cantv.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:29:06 -0400   Andres Gunther agunther@cantv.net   "Chiff" was characteristic of the now so called "Neo barroque" style. = Since it adds a slight "percussive" character to the organ sound it enhances articulation in poliphonic works. Our three Kleukers (1964, 1970, 1971) f.e. have a distinct chiff, mostly = on Gedakt and Rohrflute stops (BTW: 2 inch Wp; almost no nicking - just a few slight scratches on the languids of the first bass pipes. Tonal director: Ernst Blohningen if I remember well).   It stirs controversy among organ people because of the two opposed tendencies: The "Romatic" and the "Barroque" organ, which are difficult to match. I am more in the "Romantic" line and dislike the "chiff". When someone suggested to "iron it out" in a revoicing of the Kleukers I was opposed, however. They would lose their distinctive tonal character and wouldn't be Kleukers anymore. "Hallmarks" of certain styles or builders should be respected and conserved, even when history goes on, taste = changes, and not everybody likes them.   Enjoying a lot this thread Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: RE: Real Coffee- Real Spills From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agunther@cantv.net> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:38:54 -0400   Andres Gunther agunther@cantv.net   ----- Original Message ----- > > Subject: Re: Real Coffee- Real Spills > > From: "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> > > Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:28:11 -0500 > > > > How about console manufactures including Cup Holders in their '04 > > models? (SNIP etc)   The console of our 1935 I/6 Beuchet Debierre organ has two round trays of = 5" diameter on each side of the keyboard. Conservative as I am I guessed they were for placing candles or kerosene lanterns in those pre-electricity = days; but right now I am not so sure :)   Cheers Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.        
(back) Subject: RE: Chiff From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:52:50 -0400   Neo baroque organs of the North American type usually manufactured in the 1960's had two features that go hand in hand in producing a very = satisfying result for the manufacturer. Increased profit.   1. The presence of very obvious chiff sounds in an organ indicate, among other things, a very quick voicing and regulation of the pipe work, which involves less labour and therefore less money spent and possibly more retained by the builder. 2. The specification of a neo baroque organ was relatively very "light" = with the expensive stops or ranks of pipes and very heavy with the relatively inexpensive stops (wait...I'm having difficulty writing...I've been = exposed to a flash of the "blindingly obvious"). The expensive stops were also very expensive to ship, handle, support with stays etc.. and they could be nuisance to voice and regulate. They also required larger chests or offset chests, more involved mechanisms for = making them speak and larger wind plants. Again, more money required.   The two aspects of the neo baroque organ to which I've drawn attention may have had great appeal to their builders and might also address the = question of "chiff".   AjM        
(back) Subject: Re: leathered lips From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 11:39:24 EDT   GLORIOSKI---made for me   If only I were not playing a toaster......   dale in Florida