PipeChat Digest #4068 - Sunday, October 26, 2003
 
Re:Chiff
  by <bigaquarium@netzero.net>
Mixed styles?
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
chiff
  by "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net>
Re: Mixed styles?
  by "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net>
Re: Mixed styles?
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
COMPUTER off-topic question (grin) - X-posted
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
for Boston area folks - concert tomorrow.
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: Coffee???
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
Re: church demolition salvage site
  by "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net>
Re: church demolition salvage site
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
IRC
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: church demolition salvage site
  by "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca>
New E-mail Address/Organ Blender
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: COMPUTER off-topic question (grin) - X-posted
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re:Chiff From: <bigaquarium@netzero.net> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 12:06:24 GMT     >"Hallmarks" of certain styles or builders should be respected > and conserved, even when history goes on, taste changes, > and not everybody likes them.   Hi Chatters!!!   WELL SAID!!! BRAVO!!! That's what I'm talking about! (C: I like = both neo-baroque and romantic organs personally. It's interesting, I used = to think of ways of mixing both styles in one organ but realized that it = isn't really something that needs to be done, nor is it something I truly = would want to do in the sense of artistry. Doing so would definitely fall = into novelty, to me. As I mentioned a while back, each has it's own = reason for being, and each was created for that reason. There are very = few instances where, even in my low place on the totem pole, I find = successful "tonal changes" being made to an organ. Exceptions would be = like a Newberry, or where pipes were damaged, or a memorial stop in the = spirit of the original instrument, etc. I remind myself that my life is = temporal compared to an organ, and that's why stewardship and preservation = are high on my list. "Goosing" an organ up, cutting pipes, pipe-swapping, = etc... are very dangerous activities in the eye of this a variables that need to be addressed and mistakes can result in = unreliability, instability of tuning and timbre, and pipe death (C: I = feel it is important as an apprentice to remind myself that these are not = my organs, they belong to the churches, organizations and individuals. If = I want to make a pipe organ statement, I'll set one up in my living room! = (C:   At any rate, I love mechanical and e-p action. I regularly take care = of a pair of small flentrop 2/6 organs and they have the most delightful = feel to them. The keys are almost alive and they are springy and = responsive. On the other hand I like finger-crawling up and down a = Skinner console with flute celestes and erzahlers in full bloom as well. = It just depends on the situation I guess. Well, I've already said too = much, so there you have it! (C:   = -Nate   "The not-so-silent apprentice"    
(back) Subject: Mixed styles? From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 09:22:04 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   The mix of the baroque and the romantic has been done very successfully here in the UK.   First by Schulze in the 19th century (perhaps not intentionally), and latterly, by J W Walker at Blackburn Cathedral (very intentionally).   Organs just don't come much better.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- bigaquarium@netzero.net wrote:   > It's interesting, I used to > think of ways of mixing both styles (baroque and > romantic) in one organ but > realized that it isn't really something that needs > to be done, nor is it something I truly would want > to do in the sense of artistry.   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: chiff From: "terry hicks" <Terrick@webtv.net> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 11:53:34 -0500 (CDT)   On a fine mechanical-action organ, the speech of the pipe can be influenced by the player if the pipes are also properly voiced. This is not hearsay, but something I've personally experienced.   As someone mentioned before, builders brought in a more articulate sound in the neo-Baroque movement, but not everyone recognized how ridiculous totally un-nicked pipes sounded in dead rooms. The good 19th Century American tracker organs I've played did indeed have subtle articulation in speech despite nicking.   My first full-time job was in a Lutheran church that had ordered what was the third instrument by Phelps when he had his own company. It is a 2 manual tracker of 23 stops, 32 ranks, and has a lovely and unique sound, nothing like a Phelps Casavant. I had nothing to do with the design of the instrument. However, the one thing I wanted to change during the installation was the voicing of the Salizional & Celeste. They have a nice broad sound, but the transient noise could not be minimized know matter how I "massaged" the keys. Even the 8' Prinzipal had more flexibility. Well, his rep called him between the times he came in to do voicing and mentioned my concern. Apparently, Phelps went ballistic over the phone!! Needless to say, it didn't get changed.    
(back) Subject: Re: Mixed styles? From: "Roy Redman" <rredman@imagin.net> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 14:02:33 -0500   Can you tell us where to find details on both these instruments? Roy Redman   Colin Mitchell wrote:   > Hello, > > The mix of the baroque and the romantic has been done > very successfully here in the UK. > > First by Schulze in the 19th century (perhaps not > intentionally), and latterly, by J W Walker at > Blackburn Cathedral (very intentionally). > > Organs just don't come much better. > > Regards, > > Colin Mitchell UK > > --- bigaquarium@netzero.net wrote: > > > It's interesting, I used to > > think of ways of mixing both styles (baroque and > > romantic) in one organ but > > realized that it isn't really something that needs > > to be done, nor is it something I truly would want > > to do in the sense of artistry. > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search > http://shopping.yahoo.com > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: Re: Mixed styles? From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 13:04:12 -0700 (PDT)   Hello Roy,   We have covered this before in some depth, so I will reply to your request privately with a few web-sites etc.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Roy Redman <rredman@imagin.net> wrote: > Can you tell us where to find details on both these > instruments?     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: COMPUTER off-topic question (grin) - X-posted From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 15:43:09 -0700   Is anyone else having trouble with infrared or wireless devices (presumably because of the magnetic storm)? My infrared mouse is going NUTS; our router (which ISN'T wireless) keeps having to be rebooted and reconfigured; Sibelius is shutting down or locking up on a regular basis.   Just curious ...   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: for Boston area folks - concert tomorrow. From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:26:44 -0400   Should have thought to put this to the list earlier.   The Oberlin Alumni Club of Boston is presenting a program at The Dover = Church on Springdale Avenue in Dover on Sunday, October 26 at 4 p.m.to = celebrate the 10th anniversary of their Fisk organ. The program will = include organ and various instruments and voice. It is free, and there = will be a reception afterwards, put on by the church.   Merry Foxworth 617 469-0104   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).   Open Door Realty Boston, MA 02131 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: Coffee??? From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:49:42 -0400   Do you mean chicory coffee? I remember that as a small child in New = Orleans.   In a message dated 10/22/2003 8:12:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, = effarbee@verizon.net writes: > Down in the south of Louisiana we have enjoyed "coffee" with > a jolt for hundreds of years. It's served in "proper" company > in demi-cups with real cream and sugar. The rest of us just > take it in normal sized cups, but cream and sugar is a > must. >   Merry Foxworth   =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:-   An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632).   Open Door Realty Boston, MA 02131 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/  
(back) Subject: Re: church demolition salvage site From: "Tim Bovard" <tmbovard@earthlink.net> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 19:21:07 -0500   Hi, Daniel and everyone --   Well, whatever the "15rk Kimball player organ" was must have been interesting to someone. Just looked at the salvage website again, and the =   organ is now marked "sold". Hope it went to someone that will appreciate it...!   Cheers,   Tim    
(back) Subject: Re: church demolition salvage site From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 21:09:51 EDT   In a message dated 10/25/2003 7:24:58 PM Central Daylight Time, tmbovard@earthlink.net writes: Hi, Daniel and everyone --   Well, whatever the "15rk Kimball player organ" was must have been interesting to someone. Just looked at the salvage website again, and the =   organ is now marked "sold". Hope it went to someone that will appreciate it...!   Cheers, Yes, there is nothing like a Kimball pedal 16' open wood. Power and = glory!    
(back) Subject: IRC From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 18:41:41 -0700   I'm there.   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: church demolition salvage site From: "Daniel Hopkins" <danielwh@ns.sympatico.ca> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 23:18:04 -0300   I am always glad to hear of a Pipe Organ being rescued . Just a = reminder that there are many more organs waiting for a new home . I wish = all Orphaned Pipe Organs would find a similar fate. Daniel    
(back) Subject: New E-mail Address/Organ Blender From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2003 22:46:43 -0400   Good evening chatters!   The apprentice has changed his E-mail address as of this time. If it doesn't come out on this E-mail header it is as follows:   erzahler@sbcglobal.net   At any rate, I was attempting to respond (when my outgoing mail capability came to an abrupt halt) to the thread on mixing organs. I too would be very interested in learning about such organs that are nicely blended between the 2 popular styles. I must ask if those particular = organs that perform both styles are infact ideal for performing either style, or = if they simply blend with themselves (or both of course).   = -Nate   "The eagerly awaiting apprentice"      
(back) Subject: Re: COMPUTER off-topic question (grin) - X-posted From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 00:25:10 EDT   Hi Bud:   Your router may be on its last legs. A magnetic storm won't do that. Your mouse? Pull the ball out and clean the dust out with a clean cloth. Dirt gets caked in there. I have one that I've used for several years, and I clean it periodically. The program I haven't a clue. I had to replace a router after only six months, bought a cheaper one, and it has lasted for years. It was doing the same thing, needed rebooting.   Two out of three ain't bad.   Ron Severin