PipeChat Digest #4071 - Monday, October 27, 2003
 
Spitting is NOT diction
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
IRC tonight
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Spitting is NOT diction
  by <Innkawgneeto@cs.com>
Re: Spitting is NOT diction
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: chiff
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Girard
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: chiff
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
 

(back) Subject: Spitting is NOT diction From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:23:30 EST   Ahhh, yes. Chiff. The parody of articulate pipe speech onset. There is an enormous difference between a pipe that speaks with a = subtle consonant before its steady-state vowel, and one that is so crudely = "voiced" as to not even develop pitch or speech or steady state when repeated. The aggravating irony of this has always been that along with pipes so =   poorly regulated at their untreated languids that they do not develop tone = comes the school of organ playing that views printed notes as unrelated = entities. Immature, all-detached playing, in which there is no melodic line or = phrase shape, still remains the style of choice for some people, and we are left = with clipped notes, played too quickly, on asthmatically coarse instruments = that never develop beautiful, singing tone. It is amazing that somebody can spend four semesters studying (and teaching!) counterpoint, and still play Bach vertically, not horizontally. How many advocates of hyper"chiff" have heard and examined antique, UNaltered pipework? How many of the super-detatched, staccato school would permit their choirs to sing that way, or perform instrumental ensemble music that way? If we do not treat organ music as real music, it will not be regarded = as such by those outside our field.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: IRC tonight From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 17:30:09 -0800   Neither rain, nor sleet, nor smoke of night ... I'm there, as long as the power holds.   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Spitting is NOT diction From: <Innkawgneeto@cs.com> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 20:36:23 EST   Wonderful post Seb. However...   > How many of the super-detatched, staccato school would permit their > choirs to sing that way, or perform instrumental ensemble music that = way?   Would this "school" not be derived, at least somewhat, from the necessity = in some European (and American I suppose) venues that have enormous reverberations that require a more detached technique in order for the = music to be intelligible?   Neil Brown new post: All Saints Episcopal, Lakewood NJ    
(back) Subject: Re: Spitting is NOT diction From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:10:33 -0500   Dear Sebastian and List,   Sebastian is 100% correct. You heard it here! I am not sure that I have heard this issue dealt with more clearly than has just been the case. = Mander Organs are 99 & 44/100ths percent chiff free, and I think it is fair to = say that these instruments play the music of Bach wonderfully well. They are clear and articulate, but without that hammerblow at the beginning of each note. I once subbed at a Lutheran Church with an old Allen with the "C" stop. With it, you could enjoy a chiff without even having a stop drawn. = As Church Lady says, "wasn't that special?"   This bit from Sebastian also hits home for me: "the school of organ = playing that views printed notes as unrelated entities. > Immature, all-detached playing, in which there is no melodic line or phrase > shape, still remains the style of choice for some people."   I have heard this done well, and find that it works for certain pieces, = but more often than not, I miss the power of the legato approach to musical lines.   So be it,   Malcolm Wechsler - feeling somewhat detached, this evening. www.mander-organs.com   ----- Original Message ----- From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: Spitting is NOT diction     > Ahhh, yes. > Chiff. > The parody of articulate pipe speech onset. > There is an enormous difference between a pipe that speaks with a subtle > consonant before its steady-state vowel, and one that is so crudely "voiced" > as to not even develop pitch or speech or steady state when repeated. > The aggravating irony of this has always been that along with pipes = so > poorly regulated at their untreated languids that they do not develop = tone comes > the school of organ playing that views printed notes as unrelated entities. > Immature, all-detached playing, in which there is no melodic line or phrase > shape, still remains the style of choice for some people, and we are = left with > clipped notes, played too quickly, on asthmatically coarse instruments that > never develop beautiful, singing tone. > It is amazing that somebody can spend four semesters studying (and > teaching!) counterpoint, and still play Bach vertically, not = horizontally. > How many advocates of hyper"chiff" have heard and examined antique, > UNaltered pipework? > How many of the super-detatched, staccato school would permit their > choirs to sing that way, or perform instrumental ensemble music that = way? > If we do not treat organ music as real music, it will not be = regarded as > such by those outside our field. > > Sebastian M. Gluck > New York City      
(back) Subject: Re: chiff From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 21:46:35 -0600   Hello, What church is the organ in Farmer City in?   I > believe Grandpa Arp is a master of this voicing style as evidenced > particularly by > his instruments at Farmer City and Quincy Illinois. > Cheers > Mike     Alicia Zeilenga Sub-Dean AGO@UI "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis"      
(back) Subject: Re: Girard From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:05:35 -0500   >Who are you going to hear at Woolsey? Tom Murray's recital has been >postponed.   Greetings chatters!   I am fresh back from Woolsey after hearing the recital of Mr. Gerard Brooks!   Here is what he played:   Concerto in F major ... Handel Elegaic Romance ... John Ireland (Love it!!) Fantasia ... Edwin York Bowen (Love it too!!) Scherzo ... Percy Whitlock Marche Solennelle ... Quentin Maclean Marche Americaine ... Widor Marche funebre et Chant Seraphique ... Alexandre Guilmant (Wow!) Four Pieces ... Eugene Gigout   I. Rhapsodie sur des Airs Catalans II.Minuetto (Great!) III. Scherzo IV. Toccata     Best regards, = -Nate   "The apprentice"      
(back) Subject: Re: chiff From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:26:49 -0500       Alicia Zeilenga wrote:   > Hello, > What church is the organ in Farmer City in? >   Hi Alicia, Farmer City United Methodist Church Opus XVII is one of the instruments on "A Tale of Two Organs" CD offered by Schneider Family Organs. Here is a link for the instrument:   http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com/farmercity/default.html   This link will take you to the company's home page from where the CD may be ordered if you wish:   http://www.schneiderpipeorgans.com/   Cheers Mike