PipeChat Digest #4072 - Monday, October 27, 2003
 
Re: Spitting is NOT diction
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Spitting is NOT diction
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Asleep or horizontal?
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
St. Mark's Philly
  by "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net>
Re: St. Mark's Philly
  by <Gamelpt@aol.com>
Re: Coffee???
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
RE: Spitting is NOT diction
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
So Cal fires - this morning's San Diego Union-Tribune (X-posted)
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Spitting is NOT diction
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
A major spit in the church
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Filing music
  by "GARY JENKINS" <gary.jenkins6@verizon.net>
Re: Filing music
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Fwd: TAO Concert calendar correction
  by <OrgelspielerKMD@aol.com>
Re: So Cal fires (X-posted)
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: Filing music
  by "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Spitting is NOT diction From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:15:06 EST   In a message dated 10/26/2003 8:31:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, TubaMagna@aol.com writes:   > How many of the super-detatched, staccato school would permit their > choirs to sing that way, or perform instrumental ensemble music that = way? > If we do not treat organ music as real music, it will not be regarded = as > such by those outside our field. > >   May the God of your choice bless YOU forever------   a big HUG to you from those of us making music and politically correct performances.   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Spitting is NOT diction From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 05:17:26 EST   In a message dated 10/26/2003 8:37:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, Innkawgneeto@cs.com writes:   > Would this "school" not be derived, at least somewhat, from the = necessity > in some European (and American I suppose) venues that have enormous > reverberations that require a more detached technique in order for the = music to be > intelligible? >   Quite possibly, but then use it there and not in dry WTW carpet with = cushion churches...just my guess.   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Asleep or horizontal? From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 02:20:53 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Leading on from what Sebastian eloquently states, I am reminded of a wonderful comment by Hans Haselbock, Austria.   "In the German tradition, we always think in lines", said with a horizontal sweep of his arm.   No more comment needed.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK         --- TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > It is amazing that somebody can spend four > semesters studying (and > teaching!) counterpoint, and still play Bach > vertically, not horizontally.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/  
(back) Subject: St. Mark's Philly From: "Nathan Smith" <erzahler@sbcglobal.net> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 07:12:20 -0500   Good morning chatters!   I was recently forwarded a URL to the organ page on the website for = St. Mark's:   http://www.saintmarksphiladelphia.org/organ.html   I would like to know if this organ has been releathered at any point?   = -Nate = "The tired apprentice"      
(back) Subject: Re: St. Mark's Philly From: <Gamelpt@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:02:12 EST   The late Wesley A. Day had the St. Mark's organ releathered during his = tenure within the last decade. John Gamel (Former organ student of Mr. Day's)  
(back) Subject: Re: Coffee??? From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:40:17 -0600   Hello, Merry: > Do you mean chicory coffee? I remember that as a small > child in New Orleans. Absolutely. <grins> Was driving up through middle Louisiana to repair an organ and my eyes refused to stay open. The tail lights on cars ahead were weaving up and down, left and right. I stopped at a roadside diner and ordered coffee. I was really foggy and forgot where I was. When I took my first sip, a jolt went up through the middle of my head. Wow!!! From there on to Alexandria everything was in focus. Great stuff. "Mon cher, ...done pass me the cream i sugar." <grins> ....and they served real cream, too. Since I have been living in Texas for the past 52 years, I have to be very persuasive with the store managers here to be sure we have Louisianne, French Market, or Seaport coffee on the shelves. F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs ..  
(back) Subject: RE: Spitting is NOT diction From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 10:12:38 -0600   I recall the oddity of the xylophone-like chiff of a G. Donald Harrison Nason Flute on the 1940 A-S in Cornell's Sage Chapel. That rank is now in storage; the organ is otherwise unaltered.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of TubaMagna@aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 7:24 PM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Spitting is NOT diction   Ahhh, yes. Chiff. The parody of articulate pipe speech onset. There is an enormous difference between a pipe that speaks with a subtle=20 consonant before its steady-state vowel, and one that is so crudely "voiced"=20 as to not even develop pitch or speech or steady state when repeated. The aggravating irony of this has always been that along with pipes so=20 poorly regulated at their untreated languids that they do not develop tone comes=20 the school of organ playing that views printed notes as unrelated entities.=20 Immature, all-detached playing, in which there is no melodic line or phrase=20 shape, still remains the style of choice for some people, and we are left with=20 clipped notes, played too quickly, on asthmatically coarse instruments that=20 never develop beautiful, singing tone.=20 It is amazing that somebody can spend four semesters studying (and=20 teaching!) counterpoint, and still play Bach vertically, not horizontally. How many advocates of hyper"chiff" have heard and examined antique,=20 UNaltered pipework? How many of the super-detatched, staccato school would permit their=20 choirs to sing that way, or perform instrumental ensemble music that way?=20 If we do not treat organ music as real music, it will not be regarded as=20 such by those outside our field.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: So Cal fires - this morning's San Diego Union-Tribune (X-posted) From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 08:28:32 -0800   We're all safe; we still have electricity.   Bud       Fire fight   No end in sight for besieged county   By Gregory Alan Gross STAFF WRITER   October 27, 2003   The worst firestorm to hit this county in 33 years cut a path of destruction from Valley Center to Mexico yesterday, leaving at least 11 people dead and hundreds of homes destroyed and charring an area the size of Chicago.   Flames forced entire communities to evacuate and shut down several major highways, leaving the region virtually paralyzed. By day's end, the fires had swept across nearly 200 square miles.   The flames were relentless, jumping highways, outrunning fire crews and instilling fear in tens of thousands of residents. No one could say exactly how bad the damage was, but nearly all agreed they had never seen anything like it.   "It's not just in one part of our city or county," Sheriff Bill Kolender said. "It's all over the place."   Evacuation centers opened in places thought to be safe from fire had to be evacuated, some more than once. Some military families had to be taken aboard warships.   School officials canceled classes throughout the county, and San Diego Mayor Dick Murphy urged employers to tell their workers to stay home.   The devastation was ground zero for fires that burned more than 250,000 acres and destroyed at least 800 homes in Southern California, prompting Gov. Gray Davis to declare a state of emergency in San Diego, San Bernardino, Los Angeles and Ventura counties.   At least two people were killed in Valley Center, three were killed on the Barona Indian Reservation and four died in Lakeside, officials said. Two critically burned victims were taken to trauma centers from other parts of the county, but were declared dead.   About 150 homes were destroyed in Scripps Ranch and 30 in Poway. Officials estimated up to 300 homes were destroyed elsewhere in the = county.   The southernmost fire burned across the border into Tijuana, threatening several poor neighborhoods but doing little damage.   No one could predict when the fires would be controlled. No additional firefighting help from outside the region was expected to arrive until tomorrow, and fire officials said the strong winds that pushed walls of flame through the region yesterday morning could return.   Officials said last night they were uncertain when evacuated residents would be allowed back home.   The National Football League moved tonight's nationally televised game between the San Diego Chargers and the Miami Dolphins to Tempe, Ariz. Qualcomm Stadium was serving as an emergency shelter for residents forced from Tierrasanta, where 10 homes burned to the ground.   Air traffic across North America was disrupted when the Federal Aviation Administration ordered the evacuation of the regional Terminal Radar Approach Control facility at Miramar Marine Corps Air Station. The center handles all air traffic below about 14,000 feet from Los Angeles to Mexico, and from the Pacific Ocean to the Colorado River.   One fire knocked out a major electrical transmission line belonging to San Diego Gas & Electric Co., leaving 11,000 homes and other sites around San Diego without power.   The largest blaze, the 115,000-acre Cedar fire that began Saturday night, may have been caused when a lost hunter trying to attract attention started a fire near Ramona, officials said. Flames quickly whipped through San Diego Country Estates and later reached Poway, El Cajon, Santee and the San Diego neighborhoods of Scripps Ranch, Tierrasanta and San Carlos. By late yesterday, the fire was burning through Crest.   The causes of a 15,000-acre fire that started near the border and spread past Otay Lakes and a 15,000-acre fire that started in Valley Center and spread into Escondido were unknown yesterday.   A fourth fire, believed to have started during live-fire exercises at Camp Pendleton last week, has burned nearly 4,800 acres and is 75 percent contained.   Dense smoke from the fires created a pall that hung over most of the region. Residents awoke yesterday morning to a sky that looked like a glowering sunset, raining ash and soot that coated everything and made it difficult to breathe.   The acrid cloud was large and thick enough to show up on satellite photographs taken from space. Air-pollution officials advised parents to keep children indoors today to avoid inhaling smoke and ash.   Yesterday's conditions were perfect for a fire disaster =96 hot weather and low humidity, lots of dry brush around the county and a weekend forecast for the hot desert winds known as Santa Anas.   Once the fires began, authorities had no backup.   With reinforcements and air support tied up elsewhere in Southern California =96 a massive San Bernardino fire destroyed 300 or more houses =96 firefighters in San Diego County were on their own yesterday.   "This is the first time in my experience we have no mutual assistance. None," said Deputy Chief Jeff Frazier of the San Diego Fire Department.   The lack of help forced hard-pressed fire crews to make painful choices. In some locations, they stood their ground. In others, they pulled back, abandoning whole neighborhoods to walls of oncoming flames.   San Diego fire Chief Jeff Bowman described flying over the fire areas and seeing a single home in a cul-de-sac on fire, calling in for help down below but being told there were no units available.   "There aren't any to send," he said. "It's just really frustrating."   Frazier said, "Very small fires are growing into significant structure fires."   Valley Center residents fled three times, first from their homes to the Valley Center Middle School and then to Valley Center High School. They were finally sent west to St. Peter's Catholic Church in Fallbrook.   Ramona residents also relocated three times, from their homes to a middle school, then to Ramona High until 5:20 p.m., when Red Cross officials said they closed the shelter because it was at risk. About 600 evacuees ended up at Julian High School, site of a large evacuation during last year's 63,000-acre Pines fire.   The amphibious ships Boxer and Belleau Wood, designed to accommodate 1,000 Marines each, were doing double duty as evacuation centers for military families. If needed, the hospital ship Mercy, docked at the 32nd Street Naval Station, will be activated as a shelter and a backup hospital.   In the midst of the chaos, a single-engine plane crashed on state Route 163 when the pilot missed his landing approach at Montgomery Field in the thick smoke. The plane was gutted by fire, but the pilot walked away with only minor injuries.   The last time San Diego County saw a fire disaster of this magnitude, Richard Nixon was president and the nation was in the midst of fighting the Vietnam War.   The 1970 Laguna fire burned 180,000 acres in the heart of San Diego County, mostly in the Cleveland National Forest, killing 25 people.   Much of the territory scorched by that fire was wilderness then. Today significant chunks have been developed into houses, condominiums, apartments and supermarkets.   San Diego fire Capt. Ed Francel said of yesterday's destruction: "I worked the Normal Heights fire (which leveled 76 houses in 1985), and that was bad. But this is probably the worst I've seen."   Few escaped the devastation's impact.   The Rev. Dan Erlenbusch, who fled his San Diego Country Estates home with his wife late Saturday night, wore a borrowed shirt and shorts that smelled of smoke as he delivered a sermon at Spirit of Joy Lutheran Church in Ramona as sirens blared in the background.   "We must trust God is with us," he said.   By nightfall, the winds propelling the flames began to ease. Firefighters took advantage of the calm to set backfires at the Miramar air station and other key points, hoping to deprive the fires of needed fuel.   Across the county, everyone in the path of the fires coped as best they could.   A Wal-Mart parking lot off Los Coches Road in Lakeside turned into an RV parking lot yesterday morning.   Horse owners pulled in with their trailers. Some tied the animals close to the trailers; others walked their blindfolded animals around the parking lot, trying to calm them.   Those who were cut off from their homes paced back and forth in the parking lot, waiting for word about their houses.   In Poway, Eric Brue, a firefighter with the Los Angeles Fire Department, took on the flames by himself.   He got off work yesterday morning and headed home with every intention of spending the day watching football. But then he heard about the fire.   "This is what I do," Brue said. "I couldn't sit around."   His plan was to help the Miramar Fire Department, his former employer. But on his way he got caught in fire traffic. As he traveled side roads, he came upon some fires on Caminito Magnifica in Scripps Ranch, where several houses were at risk and no firefighters were in sight.   "The residents were happy to see me," he said.   Brue spent the day "bouncing between 18 houses with no water," he said. But with 14 years' experience fighting fires, he can be resourceful. He used a garden hose, a chain saw he found in someone's yard and some garden tools to try to keep fire from reaching the homes, putting out roof fires and hot spots.   He lost just two.      
(back) Subject: Re: Spitting is NOT diction From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:13:26 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Speaking personally, I would prefer detached phrases to detached notes every time.   Music, like words, has a natural rhythm, and if it is broken up in a super-detached style, it ceases to have any meaning.   Daylight is important, but not a musical score peppered with holes and elephant traps.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Innkawgneeto@cs.com wrote:   > Would this "school" not be derived, at least > somewhat, from the necessity in > some European (and American I suppose) venues that > have enormous > reverberations that require a more detached > technique in order for the music to be > intelligible?     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/  
(back) Subject: A major spit in the church From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 09:35:36 -0800 (PST)   Hello,   Did you know, that out of the 8,000 or so pipes at St.Bavo Haarlem (it is a BIG instrument), only one rank has just the slightest hint of a chiff?   It is subtle and beautiful and I seem to recall that it lives on the Rugwerk (Positive)where it belongs.   I also recall, almost with a roar of laughter, accompanying 500 people on just a Great Gedackt, which had a major ailment.....like full blown whooping cough..... and this was in a small country church in the UK, without a hint of resonance.   If there is one good thing about badly voiced baroque replicas, it is the fact that they can, with some ease, be made more tolerable when the time comes to re-build them. It's a lot easier than going the other way at any rate.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK             --- Malcolm Wechsler <manderusa@earthlink.net> wrote: > Dear Sebastian and List, > > Sebastian is 100% correct. You heard it here! I am > not sure that I have > heard this issue dealt with more clearly than has > just been the case. Mander > Organs are 99 & 44/100ths percent chiff free, and I > think it is fair to say > that these instruments play the music of Bach > wonderfully well.   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/  
(back) Subject: Filing music From: "GARY JENKINS" <gary.jenkins6@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 12:46:43 -0600   Does anyone have a suggestion for a good computer program for filing = organ and choral music? I need to revise my filing system.   Gary  
(back) Subject: Re: Filing music From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 13:33:34 EST   Dear Gary:   Computer aided filing or otherwise fails if things mislaid or not put back in their place. Anthologies, and complete works can still be daunting if one fails to enumerate each piece of music contained there in each volume. One has to decide on categories before you start based on what you presently have. misc. just doesn't cut it. Choral works need to be filed by liturgical season with numerical expansion in mind to tag music to it's proper pigeon hole. Take it from one who has tried. Alphabetical order of choral works, especially if there a lot of them can be helpful. The mind still has to recall the titles to find them. The maddening thing is if the number of choir members fluxuates wildly, and the last time you sang the work you had 12 in the choir, and now you have 30, you need to order new ones fast. So I suppose keeping a tally of the number of copies of each work can be helpful too. Cross ref. choral preludes to hymns can aid preparation time too as well as how they can relate to sermon topics and appropriate choral works.   It's a big dirty job, but if done well can save hunting time considerably. I hope I haven't put you off you breakfast. :)   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: Fwd: TAO Concert calendar correction From: <OrgelspielerKMD@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:39:34 EST   The reason I am posting this is because I noticed the fact that the TAO had=20 made a mistake concerning the date of this concert. I informed Mr. Roberts,= my=20 teacher, of this and he appearantly posted the following annoucment on=20 Piporg-l. Therefore, I am forwarding this to the pipechat list. I know tha= t he=20 would not mind my doing this and forgive me if this a bit unorthodox. I hop= e=20 that all who can attend will be there, as it is something not to be missed!!= !=20   Date:=A0 =A0 Sun, 26 Oct 2003 12:32:06 -0800 From:=A0 =A0 Stephen Roberts <sroberts01@snet.net> Subject: TAO Concert calendar correction   Dear List,   There is a mistake in this month's TAO Calendar concerning my upcoming=20 performance with the Danbury Symphony Orchestra.=A0 I will be performing the= Concerto=20 in g minor for Organ, Timpani, and Strings by Francis Poulenc next Sunday,=20 November 2, at 2:30 p.m. at St. Peter Church, 121 Main Street, Danbury, CT,=20= where=20 I am Director of Music.=A0 The unusual time is to accomodate our weekend Mas= s=20 schedule.=A0 Also on the program will be the Saint-Saens Symphony III (the=20 "Organ" Symphony) and the Prelude to Wagner's "Lohengrin".=A0 It should be a= fun=20 program.=A0 The concert is free.   When I was approached about doing this concert last year, I jumped at the=20 chance.=A0 We organists so rarely get the opportunity to play with a full=20 orchestra, and I had never learned the Poulenc Concerto, certainly one of th= e great=20 ones for our instrument.=A0 I've been listening to a tape of the old Angel=20 recording made c.1961, with the French Radio and Television Orchestra under=20= the=20 direction of Georges Pretre (sorry for the missing diacritical). Normally I=20= don't=20 listen to recordings of works that I'm playing, but I found this recording=20 particularly instructive. The recording was made at the church of=20 St-Etienne-du-Mont, and the organist was the church's <titulaire>, the incom= parable Maurice=20 Durufle.=A0 Durufle had played the premiere of the work, so he obviously kne= w how=20 it went! :)=A0 This particular recording was made under the supervision of=20 Poulenc himself, so if there is any such thing as a "definitive" performance= , this=20 is probably as close as we'll ever get in this life. Listening to this marvelous performance has only confirmed my admiration and reverence= =20 for Durufle', who was certainly one of the greatest organists I ever heard.= =A0=20 The Danbury Symphony is a civic orchestra, but they work hard and do an=20 admirable job.=A0 Don't expect the same fireworks from me or from the orches= tra that=20 one hears on the old Durufle'/Pretre recording, but I trust that it will be=20 worth hearing.=A0 I hope that some of you in our area will come to this=20 performance.=A0 If you do, please do say "hello" afterwards; I'd love to see= any of you who=20 are there!   Stephen Roberts Western CT State University, Danbury, CT    
(back) Subject: Re: So Cal fires (X-posted) From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:43:37 EST   actually, GET OUT OF THERE, BUD!!    
(back) Subject: Re: Filing music From: "Travis L. Evans" <tevansmo@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:55:01 -0800 (PST)   When is started at my current posisition, I redid the filing of all of the choral music. I had been separated by voicing, then alphabatized. We redid it liturgically then alphabetically, then created a data base, that I can search by voicing, title, composer, publisher, instruments used, season, and we also keep track of how many copies we have. I've yet to try and do my organ music. that I seem to keep a grasp of what I have and don't have. As far as numbering there isn't any specific with that in our library.   Travis   --- RonSeverin@aol.com wrote: > Dear Gary: > > Computer aided filing or otherwise fails if things > mislaid or not > put back in their place. Anthologies, and complete > works can > still be daunting if one fails to enumerate each > piece of music > contained there in each volume. One has to decide on > categories > before you start based on what you presently have. > misc. > just doesn't cut it. Choral works need to be filed > by liturgical > season with numerical expansion in mind to tag music > to it's > proper pigeon hole. Take it from one who has tried. > Alphabetical > order of choral works, especially if there a lot of > them can > be helpful. The mind still has to recall the titles > to find them. > The maddening thing is if the number of choir > members fluxuates > wildly, and the last time you sang the work you had > 12 in the > choir, and now you have 30, you need to order new > ones fast. > So I suppose keeping a tally of the number of copies > of each > work can be helpful too. Cross ref. choral preludes > to hymns > can aid preparation time too as well as how they can > relate > to sermon topics and appropriate choral works. > > It's a big dirty job, but if done well can save > hunting time > considerably. I hope I haven't put you off you > breakfast. :) > > Ron Severin >     __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com