PipeChat Digest #4076 - Wednesday, October 29, 2003
 
Re: pitch recognition question
  by "Steav W. Bates-Congdon" <steav@coffeeconnection.net>
Re: pitch recognition question
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Australian seeks grand processional
  by "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com>
Re: Australian seeks grand processional
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: pitch recognition question
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: pitch recognition question
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
What are we playing in November?
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: What are we playing in November?
  by <ProOrgo53@aol.com>
Re: What are we playing in November?
  by <DERREINETOR@aol.com>
Re: What are we playing in November?
  by "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com>
IRC
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
A wedding, Charlie Daniels and the Grand Prix de Chartres (Part Two of Tw
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
What are we playing in November?
  by "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net>
Phantom Echoes
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Music for November - what I WOULD be doing, IF I was still playing
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: What are we playing in November?
  by "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com>
Re: pitch recognition question
  by "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com>
Re: pitch recognition question
  by "Steav W. Bates-Congdon" <steav@coffeeconnection.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: pitch recognition question From: "Steav W. Bates-Congdon" <steav@coffeeconnection.net> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:26:48 -0500   The singer would make a difference... if they were singing it wrong =3D)   I Left My Heart 3 4 6 5 mi fa la sol   ---m2--- ---M3--- ---M2---   'Course there is the possibility that *I* have been singing it wrong!     Steav On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 01:13 PM, Alan Freed wrote:   > On 10/28/03 12:58 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote: > >> doesn't "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" begin with a major, not a >> minor, >> second? > > Depends on who's singing it. According to the printed notes, I'd say > "Yes." > > Alan   Steav W. Bates-Congdon Anything too stupid to be said out loud can usually be sung...      
(back) Subject: Re: pitch recognition question From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:41:36 -0500   You are absolutely right. I don't know why I thought it was a major = second. Don't give it a second thought!     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu           on 10/28/03 3:26 PM, Steav W. Bates-Congdon at steav@coffeeconnection.net wrote:   > The singer would make a difference... if they were singing it wrong =3D) > > I Left My Heart > 3 4 6 5 > mi fa la sol > > ---m2--- ---M3--- ---M2--- > > 'Course there is the possibility that *I* have been singing it wrong! > > > Steav > On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 01:13 PM, Alan Freed wrote: > >> On 10/28/03 12:58 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote: >> >>> doesn't "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" begin with a major, not a >>> minor, >>> second? >> >> Depends on who's singing it. According to the printed notes, I'd say >> "Yes." >> >> Alan > > Steav W. Bates-Congdon > Anything too stupid to be said out loud > can usually be sung... > >    
(back) Subject: Australian seeks grand processional From: "David Baker" <dbaker@lawyers.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:47:21 -0500   I emailed him privately and suggested the Flor Peeters "Entrata Festiva"   David Baker    
(back) Subject: Re: Australian seeks grand processional From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 16:32:14 -0500   Grand Processional - Martin Shaw - ed. Dale Wood - Sacred Music Press, = Dayton, Ohio (ends with "Praise to the Lord" Lobe den Herren)  
(back) Subject: Re: pitch recognition question From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:05:40 EST   If he does not have perfect pitch (I assume that since you say that he unequivocally does not have even RELATIVE pitch), the "pitch of the = morning" sounds like a fluke.  
(back) Subject: Re: pitch recognition question From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:37:30 -0500   In a message dated 10/28/2003 6:05:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, TubaMagna = writes:   > If he does not have perfect pitch (I assume that since you say that he > unequivocally does not have even RELATIVE pitch), the > "pitch of the morning" sounds > like a fluke.   i don't know that he doesn't have perfect or even relative pitch. all i = know is that if he sits down to peck out a melody, it's always in the = right key. he doesn't know anything about key signatures -- i'm sure he's = not even aware he's chosen the right key.  
(back) Subject: What are we playing in November? From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:07:42 -0600   Thinking back on a lister's erstwhile, periodic question "what are you playing this Sunday?" I realize that I've put together November's organ music through Christ the King Sunday. I usually can't make up my mind = until the last minute because I force myself to learn new repertory almost all = the time and keep hoping that perhaps one more package will be waiting for me = at my church that will give me something truly compelling to play. The one repeat piece in the list below is the Flor Peeters work, which I really like. He and Robin Milford were born 100 years ago, so I wanted to get in one more piece for each of them before the end of the year. Preludes and Postludes are:   Nov. 2--All Saints (and All Souls) William Grant Still--Elegy Alexis Chauvet--Grand Choeur in Eb   Nov. 9 F. Peeters--Prelude and Fugue in F (Lydian), Op. 72, No. 1 Francisco Civil--Toccata (I was going to commemorate Veterans Day [Nov. 11] by playing Nigel = Ogden's truly fun "Our Squadron Leader" March for the postlude, which is a great theatre-organ kind of piece that I got a couple of weeks ago. But a = package of Spanish music was waiting for me on Sunday, and I couldn't resist the Civil piece. I see he's written a number of other things, and I'm = wondering if I should get more of his works. Does anyone have other pieces of his to recommend?)   Nov. 16 R. Milford--Prelude in the Manner of a Passacaglia Denis Bedard--Festive Toccata   Nov. 23--Christ the King (1) Thomas Harper, Sr.--Fanfare; (2) Reginald Porter-Brown--Tuba Tune Herbert Brewer--Paean of Praise (The Brewer starts off with a 2-page "Ritornello," which doesn't do much = for me, so I'm going to cut it and start right out with the Fugue.)   Nov. 26--Thanksgiving Eve Prelude will be a 4-hand piano work that 2 musicians have asked to play. Postlude: Walter Pelz--Fanfare for Thanksgiving   Advent is wide open. Has anyone found some interesting new works for this season?   Bob Lind Good Shepherd Lutheran Church Naperville, Illinois        
(back) Subject: Re: What are we playing in November? From: <ProOrgo53@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:23:31 EST   In a message dated 10/28/2003 6:08:04 PM Central Standard Time, lindr@core.com writes: Walter Pelz--Fanfare for Thanksgiving publisher / collection / edition?    
(back) Subject: Re: What are we playing in November? From: <DERREINETOR@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:44:32 EST   Bob,   I have been working fervently on November. While it's not all worked out, = All Saints is: Prelude: Variations on "Meinem Jesum Lass Ich Nicht"--Walther (nice = sentiment for a Baptism, [if you take only the first part of the text] which we will = be having, and an all-around nice early 18th c. German partita which is not = too technically demanding) Choir Voluntary: Victoria's motet "O Quam Gloriosum", (a St. John's All Saints tradition in the "post Titcomb" years) Postlude: "Litanies"--J. Alain   While--aside from the Choir Voluntary--not specifically "All Saints" material, well suited to a major Feast of the Church.   It's fun to see what others are doing! I'll share the rest of November = with you all later in the week when I've made up my mind....   Bill H. St. John the Evangelist (Episcopal), Bowdoin St., Boston.    
(back) Subject: Re: What are we playing in November? From: "Tom Hoehn" <thoehn@theatreorgans.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:55:29 -0500   As for myself --=20 I've been accompanying Phantom of the Opera (10/24 and 10/31 coming up = -) postlude for Sunday 11/1 will be the Boellmann Toccata. =20 Tom Hoehn, Organist http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn Roaring Twenties Pizza and Pipes (substitute)(4/42 Wurlitzer) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL (4/98 = Ruffati/Wicks/Rodgers) CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS/Dairyland-ATOS/AGO    
(back) Subject: IRC From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:16:28 -0800   I'm there ...   Bud      
(back) Subject: A wedding, Charlie Daniels and the Grand Prix de Chartres (Part Two of Two) From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:02:38 -0600   A wedding, Charlie Daniels and the Grand Prix de Chartres (A month of weekends)     PART TWO OF TWO   Saturday came, and suddenly I was bookless, having finished reading about Henry's six wives and having no other excuse to neglect the yard and flower beds. So I spent the day mowing, chasing a snake with the lawn mower, and fighting the pitiful rose bushes and neighboring weeds.   Suddenly I was primed and again ready for some organ music, with Emmanuel Hocde, the 2002 Grand Prix de Chartres winner, at Christ Church Pensacola on Sunday, October 26. Before I could have second thoughts about going, I received a call and request that I do the page-turning for Mr. Hocde. Yes, it is true that I do have the degree in page-turning, but am a little rusty. But always ready to be of assistance, I agreed to participate in one of the weirdest page-turning experiences of my life.   His program:   Grand Prelude en mi mineur - Bruhns Toccata per l=92Elevatione (Fiori Musicali) - Frescobaldi Magnificat Primi Toni (BuxWV 203) - Buxtehude Concerto en la mineur after Vivaldi, BWV 593 - Bach Allein Gott in der Hoh sei Ehr=92, BWV 662 - Bach Sonata en trio no. 2 en do mineur, BWV 526 - Bach Prelude et Fugue en mi mineur, BWV 548 - Bach   It is interesting and a little odd to hear a Frenchman do a completely baroque program, but he explained that the instrument at his church is suitable mainly for baroque. Forgive me, but he was very reserved, his English was halting, and I had great trouble understanding him, as I=92m sure he did me with my deep-south Alabama/Northwest Florida drawl. I believe he said the maker of the organ is something like Scherdmer - can anyone help me here? It was 2-manual and 21 or 26 ranks, little suited for the huge romantic repertoire one thinks of when one thinks French, and located somewhere pronounced Sah-mur, but spelled something like Saen or Sainte (St.) Maur (des Fosses). (I promise that I have bought a CD course prior to this recital and will learn some French!)   I was unfamiliar with the Bruhns and Frescobaldi - may have heard them before, but never saw the music or played them, so had to refrain from turning the last page. It was my conclusion Hocde was used to playing heavy tracker actions, because he had a fairly aggressive attack. He also used some interesting phrasing and actual (sometimes awkward) pauses for stop changes, which made me think he was accustomed to reverberant rooms, or was hesitant in his use of pistons. I gained the impression he favored the use of human registrants or assistants, and I did hit several pistons for him during the Bach-Vivaldi.   This made me a little nervous, in that my only advance notice of his request for piston assistance was just minutes before the recital, and there was no time to familiarize myself with the location in the score of all the piston changes. He had marked all his piston changes on small post-it notes, but he had included all changes for this recital as well as previous recitals. So I looked for =931=94s and =932=94s = throughout, and think we managed fine. There was one area where he had tiny post-it scraps at places I would have popped a piston, but to the best of my reading he had =938=94s and =935=94s, not =931=94s and =932=94s (what I = was strictly instructed to look for), so I did not presume and he kept right on playing.   I think his best performance of the day was the Allein Gott. Although I generally like all the Allein Gotts, I don=92t remember ever playing through this particular one, and he made it sound very poignant.   The Wedge was and still is one of my favorite pieces, but he seemed rather nervous throughout, although acquitting himself well, particularly on the =93runs=94. However, at one point I turned a page = for him, and he tried to turn it back, as though I had turned too many pages. I knew this music, was reading along with him, and knew we were on the right page (unless Neumeister has =93rediscovered=94 two pages of = the Wedge I=92ve never heard), so I whispered, =93No, we=92re on the right = page,=94 to him, and he kept playing. =20   He is a fine musician, but seemed very unsure of himself or nervous. His credentials are impressive, listing Latry, Litaize, Robilliard, and Chapuis among his teachers. Perhaps it was my telling him I was a lawyer before the recital that unnerved him, but he did ask if I was an organist. And this was the first time I remember turning pages at Christ Church from the organist=92s left side as opposed to the right, = so I was ducking and dodging to keep from being seen, and sometimes seemed close enough to reach over and kiss the musician. Hey, that's a great idea - one day when I finally decide to quit my page-turning career and burn my bridges, I think I will give the performer a big smacker on the lips right in the middle of the climactic moment of the recital. Instead of the face that launched a thousand ships, it would be the kiss that killed the concert from the face that scared a dozen lawyers and many more laymen.   Anyway, after he graciously received his accolades, including from people he had met at the bed and breakfast (an artist and his wife from Oregon), we repaired with Ken and Jean Karadin to the Fish House for drinks and dinner. He had port and grilled amberjack, and ate every bite. After a salty dog, I tried the house special, called =93Grits a Ya-Ya=94 - no lie. This consisted of saut=E9ed shrimp served with fine grits cooked with applewood-seasoned bacon and smoked gouda cheese, in the consistency of mashed potatoes and sprinkled with rosemary. Monsieur seemed to relax and became less shy during the meal, and we found out that his wife=92s mother is American, from Ohio.   I was never able to communicate effectively with him to determine whether I should have hit those pistons when I wanted to, and why he wanted the page turned back on the Wedge, although I think I understood him to say that he didn=92t realize he was as far along on the piece as = he was. Definitely out of the ordinary is how I would describe the whole evening. Although Hocde returns to Paris today, he will return in March, and I would love a second opinion regarding him and his music. One of his stops will be in Atlanta then - perhaps a list member can report.   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com          
(back) Subject: What are we playing in November? From: "Mark W. McClellan" <omicron@prairieinet.net> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:13:36 -0600     November 02, 2003   Prelude: Toccata and Fugue in d minor J.S. Bach   Offertory: Arioso Bach/Purvis   Postlude: Fugue in F Minor (on "The Munsters" theme) Mark = Peterson     November 09, 2003   Prelude: Sinfonia from Cantata No. 29 Bach/Fox (If we get rid of = our Mayor)        
(back) Subject: Phantom Echoes From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 21:16:24 -0500   on 10/28/03 8:55 PM, Tom Hoehn at thoehn@theatreorgans.com wrote:   As for myself -- I've been accompanying Phantom of the Opera (10/24 and 10/31 coming up -) postlude for Sunday 11/1 will be the Boellmann Toccata. Tom Hoehn, Organist http://theatreorgans.com/tomhoehn Roaring Twenties Pizza and Pipes (substitute)(4/42 Wurlitzer) First United Methodist Church, Clearwater, FL (4/98 Ruffati/Wicks/Rodgers) CFTOS/Manasota/OATOS/HiloBay/CIC-ATOS/VotS-ATOS/Dairyland-ATOS/AGO     Funny you should mention the Phantom of the Opera: I just ten minutes ago discovered that Andrew Lloyd Webber was accused of having plagiarized the chromatic descending bass line from Phantom that sounds so good on the = organ pedals from "Echoes", a Roger Waters song for Pink Floyd's 1971 album "Meddle." According to one source I came across, Waters sued Webber over this. This evening my teen-age son was playing the Pink Floyd song on his computer and so I heard it for the first time and could not help noticing the resemblance. Webber supposedly claimed it came from a film score he wrote in 1971 (fifteen years before Phantom) for the film Gumshoe. Can anyone shed any light on the the ultimate disposition of this case?   On a related topic, my wife suggested I play the theme from Dallas (which = I have in a newly-acquired fakebook of tv themes) for a postlude and see if anyone notices. Sounds like a good idea.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu        
(back) Subject: Music for November - what I WOULD be doing, IF I was still playing From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 18:33:28 -0800   All Saints' Day   Organ - Gaudeamus - Everett Titcomb Choir - What Are These Who Are Arrayed In White Robes? - Stainer Choir - Souls of the Righteous - T. Tertius Noble Organ - Improvisation on "Gaudeamus"   All Souls' Day   Organ - Requiem Aeternam - Everett Titcomb Choir - Missa pro Defunctis - Claudio Casciolini Choir - I Would Not Have You To Be Ignorant, Brethren - John W. Peterson Choir - Souls of the Righteous - Peter Griesbacher Organ - In Paradisum - Faure/Dupre   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: Re: What are we playing in November? From: "Robert Lind" <lindr@core.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 20:33:58 -0600   Augsburg Fortress 11-5914, copyright 1990, Three Fanfares for = Thanksgiving, Christmas, and Easter by Walter L. Pelz. I bought my copy = 2nd hand a few months ago and hope this is still in print. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ProOrgo53@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 7:23 PM Subject: Re: What are we playing in November?     In a message dated 10/28/2003 6:08:04 PM Central Standard Time, = lindr@core.com writes: Walter Pelz--Fanfare for Thanksgiving publisher / collection / edition?=20    
(back) Subject: Re: pitch recognition question From: "Mike Franch" <mike6514@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 15:08:01 -0600   Seriously, there is a gentleman with savant syndrome by the name of Leslie =   Lemke, who lives right here in WI. The only difference is, he has severe disabilities - he is unable to care for himself, unable to see, hear, = speak, think, etc. Yet, when he sits down to play the piano, he plays it like its = a part of him. He mimics the voices of famous singers, almost to a tea.   He concertizes all over the US.   You can see a profile of him on: http://www.wisconsinmedicalsociety.org/savant/lemke.cfm.   This is not suggesting that your partner has severe brain damage, but = since the subject was related, I thought I'd respectfully pass this along.   Mike Franch Madison, WI   _________________________________________________________________ Send instant messages to anyone on your contact list with MSN Messenger 6.0. Try it now FREE! http://msnmessenger-download.com    
(back) Subject: Re: pitch recognition question From: "Steav W. Bates-Congdon" <steav@coffeeconnection.net> Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 00:13:46 -0500   Randy- would that be a minor or a major second thought???? =3D) steav   On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 03:41 PM, Randolph Runyon wrote:   > You are absolutely right. I don't know why I thought it was a major > second. > Don't give it a second thought! > > > Randy Runyon > Music Director > Zion Lutheran Church > Hamilton, Ohio > runyonr@muohio.edu > > on 10/28/03 3:26 PM, Steav W. Bates-Congdon at > steav@coffeeconnection.net > wrote: > >> The singer would make a difference... if they were singing it wrong = =3D) >> >> I Left My Heart >> 3 4 6 5 >> mi fa la sol >> >> ---m2--- ---M3--- ---M2--- >> >> 'Course there is the possibility that *I* have been singing it wrong! >> >> >> Steav >> On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 01:13 PM, Alan Freed wrote: >> >>> On 10/28/03 12:58 PM, "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> doesn't "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" begin with a major, not a >>>> minor, >>>> second? >>> >>> Depends on who's singing it. According to the printed notes, I'd say >>> "Yes." >>> >>> Alan > Steav W. Congdon Always drink upstream from the herd... Never look straight up at a bird. ~St. Xavier Onasis