PipeChat Digest #4080 - Thursday, October 30, 2003
 
Re: Home pipe organ
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
RE: Seating of the Mothers
  by "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com>
Re: Gay Organist Fired
  by <Tspiggle@aol.com>
Re: Gay Organist Fired
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
IRC
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
the fires
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Gay Organist Fired
  by "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>
Re: Gay Organist Fired
  by <ScottFop@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #4079 - 10/30/03
  by <hydrant@baskerbeagles.com>
Re: Gay Organist Fired
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #4077 - 10/29/03
  by <hydrant@baskerbeagles.com>
Re: Gay Organist Fired Link (OK, I admit it's off-topic)
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
somewhat OFF-TOPIC: the Church and sin
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Seating of the Mothers
  by "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net>
RE: somewhat OFF-TOPIC: the Church and sin
  by "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net>
OFF-TOPIC: same-sex marriage rites
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: somewhat OFF-TOPIC: the Church and sin
  by "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net>
Re: Gay Organist Fired
  by "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu>
Re: somewhat OFF-TOPIC: the Church and sin
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Gay Organist Fired
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: Seating of the Mothers
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Home pipe organ From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:10:44 EST   Dear Mike:   I think you mean 5' wide by 3' deep. Even so, most pipe organ chests are in the vacinity of 6' '8" for 61 notes. There were some Sullivan organs that would fit as the top two octaves were on off set chests over the middle of M shaped chests. They were straight ranks on quasi Austin type chests. Bases were tube electronics in the pedal. If you can find one, throw out the pedal board and use an old Allen one instead. The setup is pretty much the same, use the Allen bench too. Only place to find one is in So Cal. I had one and sold it. The pipes were like new 5 ranks. Dulciana and Diapason 8' TC Gt. Ged. Salicional and 4' Harm. Fl. Sw. Bass elect. 16" Diapason, Dulciana, Bourdon and Violone and an 8' coupler Sw. to ped 8' 4' and great to pedal 8' and 4' They used a schwimmer, and a blower for wind. There might still be one in an RC church in East LA. Monterey Park on Monterey Park Pass Rd.   I hope you find one to fit.   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: RE: Seating of the Mothers From: "Glenda" <gksjd85@direcway.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:34:59 -0600   "Send in the clowns", of course. What a silly question!   Glenda Sutton gksjd85@direcway.com (who actually heard this played at a funeral - no lie)   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of Alan Freed Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 12:50 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Seating of the Mothers   On 10/30/03 1:35 PM, "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> wrote:   > Someone contacted me asking for my advice on something that can be > played/sung at a Lutheran wedding for the seating of the mothers. >        
(back) Subject: Re: Gay Organist Fired From: <Tspiggle@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:21:50 EST   Well Peter, I don't know what The Advocate is advocating, but any church staff member, whether homosexual or heterosexual, that engages in sex = outside of marriage should not be on the church staff. The Bible is very clear that adultry and fornication are wrong.   I hear a lot about God's love, but nothing about God's judgement. We will = all have to stand at the Great White Throne one day and give an account of our =   lives. Those that continued in sin and did not repent will be cast into = outer darkness.   I am a single, heterosexual church organist. If I moved in with a woman I would expect to be fired.   Tom    
(back) Subject: Re: Gay Organist Fired From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:20:06 -0800   Yawn.   Can we PLEASE be spared another round of "My God Is Meaner Than Your God?"   The correct spelling is "adultery", BTW.   Damn! It's a shame the Mayflower didn't SINK on the way over here ... then we'd have been spared the scourge of puritanism that has hung over American life like a dark cloud ever SINCE.   Read I Samuel 18:1-3:   1 Samuel 18   1 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. 2 And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house. 3 Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. 4 And Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was upon him, and gave it to David, and his garments, even to his sword, and to his bow, and to his girdle.   Read "David At Olivet" by Wallace Hamilton (out-of-print, but available used from Amazon.com) ... that will disabuse you of ANY notion that David and Jonathan WEREN'T lovers.   Cheers,   Bud Clark (a happy Christian homosexual) San Diego, CA   Tspiggle@aol.com wrote:   > Well Peter, I don't know what The Advocate is advocating, but any church =   > staff member, whether homosexual or heterosexual, that engages in sex > outside of marriage should not be on the church staff. The Bible is very =   > clear that adultry and fornication are wrong. > > I hear a lot about God's love, but nothing about God's judgement. We > will all have to stand at the Great White Throne one day and give an > account of our lives. Those that continued in sin and did not repent > will be cast into outer darkness. > > I am a single, heterosexual church organist. If I moved in with a woman > I would expect to be fired. > > Tom      
(back) Subject: IRC From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 18:47:34 -0800   I'm on.   Bud      
(back) Subject: the fires From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:08:38 -0800   The weather has shifted ... we have cooler temps, fog, and drizzle. They're now saying that the Cedar fire is almost 50% contained ... something they hadn't expected for WEEKS.   DEO GRATIAS!   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Gay Organist Fired From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:08:25 -0600   Thanks a lot! Has anyone thought that by NOT firing the offending person the church is subsidizing what it considers sin? Alicia Zeilenga Sub-Dean AGO@UI "Santa Caecilia, ora pro nobis"     -----Original Message----- From: Tspiggle@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:21:50 EST Subject: Re: Gay Organist Fired   > Well Peter, I don't know what The Advocate is advocating, but any > church > staff member, whether homosexual or heterosexual, that engages in sex > outside of > marriage should not be on the church staff. The Bible is very clear > that > adultry and fornication are wrong. > > I hear a lot about God's love, but nothing about God's judgement. We > will all > have to stand at the Great White Throne one day and give an account of > our > lives. Those that continued in sin and did not repent will be cast into > outer > darkness. > > I am a single, heterosexual church organist. If I moved in with a woman > I > would expect to be fired. > > Tom >      
(back) Subject: Re: Gay Organist Fired From: <ScottFop@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:07:15 EST   In a message dated 10/30/03 7:28:52 PM Central Standard Time, Tspiggle@aol.com writes:   > Subj: Re: Gay Organist Fired > Date: 10/30/03 7:28:52 PM Central Standard Time > From: <A HREF=3D"mailto:Tspiggle@aol.com">Tspiggle@aol.com</A> > Reply-to: <A = HREF=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> > To: <A HREF=3D"mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org">pipechat@pipechat.org</A> > Sent from the Internet > > Well Peter, I don't know what The Advocate is advocating, but any church =   > staff member, whether homosexual or heterosexual, that engages in sex = outside of > marriage should not be on the church staff. The Bible is very clear that =   > adultry and fornication are wrong. > > I hear a lot about God's love, but nothing about God's judgement. We = will > all have to stand at the Great White Throne one day and give an account = of our > lives. Those that continued in sin and did not repent will be cast into = outer > darkness. > > I am a single, heterosexual church organist. If I moved in with a woman = I > would expect to be fired.   Um, does someone ELSE care to address THIS one? I am trying VERY = DILIGENTLY to keep my mouth shut on this one, but this latest post is making that = VERY difficult indeed.....................   (Shall I here quote the "judge ye not lest ye be judged" bit, or the "Methinks he dost protest to much (directly to the "single, heterosexual = organist") or do they speak for themselves? <Harumph!.....grumble......>   Scott F. Foppiano Cantantibus organis Caecilia Domino decantabat.    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4079 - 10/30/03 From: <hydrant@baskerbeagles.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:16:51 -0500   >Subject: Seating of the Mothers >From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>   >Someone contacted me asking for my advice on something that can be played/sung at a Lutheran wedding for the seating of the mothers. >Ideas? >   How about that nice spiritual song:   Sit down, you're rockin the boat ?? ;-)   My usual practice is to let everyone get seated when they want during the prelude. If they want a special song, they would probably enjoy it more if they were already seated. After all, it only takes a few second to get mom or grandma to the pew!   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   Subject: Re: Gay Organist Fired Link >From: "Alicia Zeilenga" <azeilenga@theatreorgans.com>   >I hope no one labels this as discrimination too quickly. I would most likely be dismissed if I were to move in with a guy without marrying him first.>   Sheesh! Just tell 'em you're being celibate! (and remember not to go to work with a smile on your face!! ;-) ).   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D     Scritchies and Haruffaroo-bahawow...   Unkie Doinky ... aka Bruce and the Baskerbeagles of HowlingAcres = http://baskerbeagles.com HELP FEED ANIMALS FOR FREE http://tinyurl.com/2j5i and = http://pets.care2.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Gay Organist Fired From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:30:28 -0600     Tspiggle@aol.com wrote:   > I hear a lot about God's love, but nothing about God's judgement.     God's judgment is one of the certainties of existence, but it is quite another for US to presume to judge our fellow human beings. Let him that is without sin cast the first stone.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #4077 - 10/29/03 From: <hydrant@baskerbeagles.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 21:11:07 -0500   >Subject: History pendulum, was: Kimball Oboe >From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnthe= r" <agunther@cantv.net> >Ron's remark is of interest because I bet that= the same =   happened half a century ago when an orgler looked back at =   Hope-Jones, E.M. Skinner, and the 'orchestral organ' concept. =   I quote from Wolfgang Adelung's organ treatise... >   I agree that chan= ges are often resisted at first; however, =   celestes, large scaled "fluty-toned pipes", and orchestral =   reeds have all proven themselves to be useful. I've yet to =   find a useful Rohrschalmey or Oboe at 4' except when they are =   played an octave lower for a solo, or coupled to the pedal =   for a solo voice. I will confess at this point that I do use =   the Oboe 8 an octave higher as a solo stop.     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >Subject: Re: Music for Novembe= r =     Not being in a liturgical church (Southern Baptist) we often =   have sermon series which focus on a particular area of =   Scripture. For October and November we have been focusing =   on the Beatitudes. Here's what my folks got (in reverse =   order:   Sunday, November 23 (Text Mt 5:9, "Blessed are the peacemak= ers....") Prelude "Fountain Reverie" . . . Percy Fletcher Offe= rtory "Pastorale" (from 5 pieces) . . . Alec Rowley Postlude Prel= ude and Fugue in G . . . Felix Mendelssohn   Sunday, 16 November 20= 03 (Text Mt 5:8, "Blessed are the pure in heart...") Prelude Fugue= . . . Jean Langlais Offertory Prelude Modal . . . Jean Langla= is Postlude Chorale with variations . . . Jean Langlais   Sunday= , 9 November 2003 (Text Mt 5:7, "Blessed are the merciful....") (sti= ll thinking!!)   Sunday, 2 November 2003 (Text Mt 5:6, "Blessed are = those who hunger and thirst for =   righteousness....") Prelude "Strengthen for Service, Lord" (Malabar) L= eo Sowerby Offertory Music for the Beatitude -- "Carillon" . = .. . Leo Sowerby Postlude Toccata Improvisation   Sunday , 26 Oct= ober 2003 (visiting missionary preacher) Prelude "Leaning on th= e Everlasting Arms" arr. Betty =   Jean Chatham piano and organ Offertory "Softly and Tenderly, Je= sus is Calling" arr. =   Donna Williams piano and organ Postlude Great Mission Hymns (= selected during sermon) Hymns selected: " We've a Story to Tell" (Messa= ge), "O Zion, Haste" (Tidings), "I Love to Tell the Story" =   (Hankey)   Sunday, 19 October 2003 (Text Mt 5:6, Blesses are the =   meek....) Prelude "Sheep May Safely Graze" (from Birthday =   Cantata) Johann Sebastian Bach Offertory Improvisation on the B= eatitude: "Blessed are =   the meek...." Postlude Prelude and Fugue in F-major (from Eight Li= ttle =   Preludes and Fugues) Johann Sebastian Bach   Sunday, 12 October 2003 = (Text: Mt 5:4, Blessed are those =   who mourn....) Prelude Liturgical Improvisation I . George Oldroy= d "My soul hath a desire and longing to enter into the courts =   of the Lord" =   Offertory Improvisation on the Beatitude: =   "Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be =   comforted" =   Postlude from: Mass for the Parishes ... Francois Couperin Fugue on t= he Kyrie (Lord, Have Mercy)   There are explanations and notes on symbo= lism on the Organ =   Music for Sunday section of my webpage at http://www.baskerbeagles.com Just click on the link on the left column menu. Just for =   fun, you might want to visit the Chapel of All Hounds and =   see our new stained glass window and the "howling machine" =   (aka pipe organ!). =     =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D   >On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 08:12 AM, F Richard Burt =   wrote: > >> Good Morning: >> What I wonder is: Doesn't anybody lik= e 'COFFEE' any more?   >I am in the unique position of owning a coffee = house with my =   partner as well as being an organist semi-full-time.> >Steav W. Bates-C= ongdon   WOW! Steav.... You are one lucky dude!!! I'd love to have = =   a coffee house. You need a large sitting room with a fire =   place, comfy chairs and tables, as well as access to a =   bookstore (small deli section might be good, too). Of =   course, as well, you need a nice gentle 19C tracker or a =   Wurly for entertainment. It would be a wonderful place to =   unwind! Your mottoe could be "Wet your pipes while we blast =   ours!!" ;-)   I am a coffee lover. My favorite is Kona, although some= =   runners-up are Nantucket Blend and RainForestNut from Green =   Mountain (Vermont) duh!! ;-) My favorite coffe place is =   Chesapeake Bagel (their Kona is divine). I never darken the =   door of Barney's, or the other chains; I don't like their =   burned beans!! Flavored coffee's are definitely off my list =   of things to drink!   I choose my churches like I choose my restaurants= : The =   music and the coffee must be excellent. I can "put up" with =   the other stuff!! ;-)   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Scritchies and Haruffaroo-bahawow...   Unkie Doinky ..= .. aka Bruce and the Baskerbeagles of HowlingAcres http://baskerbeagles= ..com =   HELP FEED ANIMALS FOR FREE http://tinyurl.com/2j5i and http://pets.ca= re2.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Gay Organist Fired Link (OK, I admit it's off-topic) From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:32:09 EST   In a message dated 10/30/03 1:59:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, azeilenga@theatreorgans.com writes:   << I would most likely be dismissed if I were to move in with a guy = without marrying him first. >>   Getting married is an option that heterosexual couples have. Gay couples = do not have that option, (except for the couple of states which have some = kind of domestic partner option). It's interesting to hear how the conservative = wing of the Episcopal church, as well as various fundamentalists are = maintaining that the elevation of Gene Robinson to Bishop of New Hampshire is a threat = to traditional Christian marriage. Where is this outrage in connection to television shows such as "Married by America" or "Who Wants to Marry My = Daughter?" I'd rather see a 'union' of 2 people who love each other and are willing = to openly commit to each other, than to 2 'strangers' who get married based = on the whims of an audience that obviously has nothing better to do.   Climbing down off my soapbox.   Richard Spittel Baltimore, MD   P.S. - BTW, my congregation seems to be receptive to the idea of having Patrick Murphy rebuild/refurbish/renovate our mighty Moller. The final = vote happens next week - once people have time to digest the idea of putting = ourselves $500,000 in debt......  
(back) Subject: somewhat OFF-TOPIC: the Church and sin From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:40:57 -0800   Sin, for the most part, is what the CHURCH says it is ...   Within my lifetime, the Church taught that if a person ate meat on Friday and died before confessing it, that person would go to hell.   Formerly, borrowing or lending money at interest was a mortal sin.   Oddly enough, the MISTRESSES of popes, cardinals, bishops, and priests never seemed to concern them. At least some of the Borgia popes' illegitimate "nephews" were made cardinals.   It is well-known that the Prince-Archbishop of Salzburg in Mozart's time lived quite openly with a mistress.   In recent years, elements within the Roman Catholic and Anglican Churches have engaged in a relentless attack upon the lesbian and gay community. I have said many times that this has NOTHING to do with sex and LESS than nothing to do with morality ... it has to do with the passing of the elderly, white, male, conservative power structure, and they are fighting back with every weapon at their disposal.   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Seating of the Mothers From: "STRAIGHT" <STRAIGHT@infoblvd.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:56:11 -0500   > Absolutely, on both counts! Where did this druidic Unity Candle ritual come > from, anyway?>>>>>>>>>   I think it's kind of nice. Just a little symbol of the joining of the two families to form a new one. Which is what a wedding *should* be. Not just two individuals, but = the support of both families to help them along through life, to share in celebrating the good times and holding each other up through the bad ones.   Diane S.   --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Information Boulevard's Virus = Scanning]    
(back) Subject: RE: somewhat OFF-TOPIC: the Church and sin From: "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:55:51 -0700   In fact, the Church only dropped rites for same-sex couples in the 11th or = 12th century. Don't know what Organ music they played in the background. :-) --sam   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of quilisma@cox.net Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 8:41 PM To: PipeChat Subject: somewhat OFF-TOPIC: the Church and sin   Sin, for the most part, is what the CHURCH says it is ...   Within my lifetime, the Church taught that if a person ate meat on Friday and died before confessing it, that person would go to hell....    
(back) Subject: OFF-TOPIC: same-sex marriage rites From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:10:35 -0800   Dr. John Boswell (in "Same-Sex Unions in Pre-Modern Europe") documented that the rites continued to be used in both the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches in central Europe until sometime around the 1930s. If I'm not mistaken, he actually interviewed elderly couples who had been married according to the rites.   Both Churches deny it, of course (grin), but Boswell had access to the manuscripts of the Rituales / Liturgikons in question.   The Eastern Church's attempt to explain it away was particularly bizarre: they said it was the "blessing of a friendship", even though the rubrics SPECIFICALLY called for the use of the marriage crowns in the rite ... not likely for the blessing of a friendship (chuckle).   Rome simply stonewalled; they accused Boswell of lying, even though he had facsimiles of the manuscripts.   Cheers,   Bud          
(back) Subject: Re: somewhat OFF-TOPIC: the Church and sin From: "noel jones" <gedeckt@usit.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:06:42 -0500       quilisma@cox.net wrote:   > Sin, for the most part, is what the CHURCH says it is ... > > Within my lifetime, the Church taught that if a person ate meat on > Friday and died before confessing it, that person would go to hell.   Bud,   Not for a venial sin. nj      
(back) Subject: Re: Gay Organist Fired From: "Karl Moyer" <kmoyer@marauder.millersville.edu> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:07:34 -0500   Does the item deal with matters of sexual orientation, or does it deal = with sexual acts which some folks would find objectionable?   On 10/29/03 9:49 PM, "Oboe32@aol.com" <Oboe32@aol.com> wrote:   > Hey All, > > This issue of organists and musicians being fired due to = sexual > orientation is outrageous and effects us all in our musicianship and = workings. > I'd encourage all of you to read the article submitted in the Advocate. = As a > young organist, I hope that issues such as these are changing. This is a > deffinite issue that is too often skirted or just hushed. Please take = some > time to > read up and express some of your thoughts (gently)! > > Best, > > Peter Isherwood > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: somewhat OFF-TOPIC: the Church and sin From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:23:19 -0800   But it wasn't a venial sin, Noel ... see "The Baltimore Catechism."   Cheers,   Bud   noel jones wrote:   > > > quilisma@cox.net wrote: > >> Sin, for the most part, is what the CHURCH says it is ... >> >> Within my lifetime, the Church taught that if a person ate meat on >> Friday and died before confessing it, that person would go to hell. > > > Bud, > > Not for a venial sin. > nj > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Gay Organist Fired From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:30:24 -0800   Um, not sure if the listowners want me to go into great detail, Karl (grin), but I will say this:   Until the infamous "Halloween Letter" of Cardinal Ratzinger a few years ago, homosexual ORIENTATION was not considered to be sin. However, the Roman Church has now pronounced it to be "intrinsically evil" WHETHER OR NOT one ACTS upon it.   In the case of the Roman Catholic choir director who was fired, it was demanded that he leave his partner. As with Canon Jeffrey John in the Church of England, there was a PRESUMPTION of sexual activity.   I must say that this part of your question jumped off the page at me:   "does it deal with sexual acts which some folks would find objectionable?"   Um, how can I say this politely? I don't spend a whole lot of time contemplating what non-gay people do in the privacy of their own homes. I wish non-gay people would afford us the same courtesy. Do you get my meaning? It's none of MY business what non-gay people do; it's none of non-gay peoples' business what *I* do.   Yet an inordinate amount of ink (and, sadly, blood) is being spilled all over the world over just that.   I'm about ready to start a crusade against divorced Anglican bishops (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud   Karl Moyer wrote:   > Does the item deal with matters of sexual orientation, or does it deal = with > sexual acts which some folks would find objectionable? > > On 10/29/03 9:49 PM, "Oboe32@aol.com" <Oboe32@aol.com> wrote: > > >>Hey All, >> >> This issue of organists and musicians being fired due to = sexual >>orientation is outrageous and effects us all in our musicianship and = workings. >>I'd encourage all of you to read the article submitted in the Advocate. = As a >>young organist, I hope that issues such as these are changing. This is a >>deffinite issue that is too often skirted or just hushed. Please take = some >>time to >>read up and express some of your thoughts (gently)! >> >>Best, >> >>Peter Isherwood >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: RE: Seating of the Mothers From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 23:14:47 -0600   > Well, you're not going to like my advice anyway. But here it is: The > seating of these folks is not a big deal, and does not require > some special > music. Let the ushers simply seat them about a minute or two (or > three?--who cares?) before the Procession is to begin.   I must side with Alan here. It's SO hard to time special music, and frankly, you're not going to want to tie up the wedding while you finish = the music just to get mom seated. I just did a wedding where I played the = Canon in D while they seated the grandparents and parents, but again, it was = hard to time. I lucked out in that I finished early by the time they got the moms down, got the unity side candles lit and the aisle runner pulled = back. By that time, I was improvising waiting for them to get the darned thing back there.   What happens if the seating of the grandparents and parents doesn't start = on time? It's just a huge hassle. The real wedding service does not begin until the Processional, anyway, so it doesn't really matter. I always = tell brides that they will likely NOT hear most of the preservice music, so not to sweat over it.   Just my two unsolicited cents, from one who's played countless weddings.   Jeff