PipeChat Digest #3925 - Tuesday, September 2, 2003
 
Re: Introducing ORGANLive  x-post
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: organ leather
  by "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: Introducing ORGANLive  x-post
  by "Bill Morton" <wjmwjm@mail.asisna.com>
Re: Introducing ORGANLive  x-post
  by "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com>
Chimes
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Re: Chimes
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Chimes
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: historic approach
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Chimes
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: ORGANLive
  by "Bill" <bill.hauser@cox.net>
Re: Chimes
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Re: Chimes
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Re: Chimes
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: Chimes
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: And French romantic on the German Baroque organ
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Chimes
  by "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net>
Re: ORGANLive
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
Re: Chimes
  by "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com>
Re: ORGANLive
  by "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net>
Re: Leather deterioration in NYC
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
RE: And French romantic on the German Baroque organ
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: historic approach
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Chimes
  by "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Introducing ORGANLive x-post From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 19:50:20 -0400   On 9/1/03 7:45 PM, "Bill Morton" <wjmwjm@mail.asisna.com> wrote:   > I used to live down there and work out on Point Loma at the Navy facility > there. Nice town.   Yes, unless you=B9re a lowly enlisted man.   Alan (who enjoyed it nonetheless, in 1955-6)    
(back) Subject: Re: organ leather From: "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 09:10:52 -0700   I live in Australia and I have never seen kangaroo skin leather!! Most of the leather used over here in organs as far as I can see is sheep leather and is imported from Germany!That is certainly so in the West. Bob Elms.   Gary Black wrote:   > HI Jim, I guess the way that it was determinded that it was Kangaroo > was that it was heavier than most and very white and was used then. > Hope this helps. Anymore comments on Kangaroo leather would be > welcomed. Gary > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: Introducing ORGANLive x-post From: "Bill Morton" <wjmwjm@mail.asisna.com> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 17:10:46 -0700   At 07:50 PM 9/1/2003 -0400, you wrote: >On 9/1/03 7:45 PM, "Bill Morton" <wjmwjm@mail.asisna.com> wrote: >I used to live down there and work out on Point Loma at the Navy facility >there. Nice town. > >Yes, unless you re a lowly enlisted man. > >Alan (who enjoyed it nonetheless, in 1955-6)     Alan,   Yes, I understand. When I was there I was a civilian contractor, who frequently had to embark on Navy ships to support computer-based systems. They "blessed" all of us civilians as being equivalent to Navy LCDRs (O4?); even gave us military orders stating such, which made our life about as luxurious as I've ever enjoyed. But I did get tired of riding the ships. Riding a DLG from San Diego to Subic is a LONG trip.      
(back) Subject: Re: Introducing ORGANLive x-post From: "mack02445" <mack02445@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 20:45:14 -0400   Well, here I go again, climbing up on my soapbox. OrganLive is the first serious web based broadcasting service for the organ exclusively. Live 365 has several other stations or channels whichever you wish to call them presenting some organ and Theatre Organ broadcasts but this one is far and away the best. If you subscribe to the basic membership at Live365, which is Free you get the program but also get ads. I happen to be a preferred member so I only get the short spots on Organlive asking for material and financial support. Part of the Preferred membership fees go to the broadcasters to help defray the costs that they have to pay to broadcast there, it is not without expenses to provide this service. I seem to see a thread through the complaint messages that are posted here too much of the "get something for nothing" attitude. Preferred Membership on Live365 is $3.65 a month. I don't know about you but I waste more than that each month. If you are really serious about hearing quality organ music on the web, support it. I do and have also contributed extra to the broadcaster to help keep this great stream afloat. I have no commercial interest in this venture other than to listen and support it in any way I can and $3.65 a month is chicken feed.   As I step off my soapbox, I end with it is always "you get what you pay for." Don't complain if you aren't willing enough to commit to OrganLives support.   Cheers, Mack   Gfc234@aol.com wrote:   > In a message dated 9/1/2003 3:41:14 PM Central Daylight Time, > wjmwjm@mail.asisna.com writes: > > > I tried this service, and was pretty disappointed. >    
(back) Subject: Chimes From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 17:43:49 -0700   Hello everyone, and happy Labor Day --   Being Labor Day, this is the day I traditionally map out the big Christmas program my church choir will do the Sunday before Christmas. I've composed one piece for them, and I plan to do the traditional Austrian carol = "Still, Still, Still." Both of these would benefit from real, honest-to-goodness chimes. You know, the kind which are vertical, and struck with a mallet at the top of each chime.   We don't have immediate access to an instrument of this sort, and I'm just wondering where a person would go to buy a used set -- they can be = downright ugly, as long as they sound okay. Any ideas?   Eric -- really, I don't ask for much    
(back) Subject: Re: Chimes From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 18:17:36 -0700   Have you tried your local high schools? Bands usually have them ...   Used? there's a site, but I can't remember the addy ... try "used chimes " as a Google search?   Cheers,   Bud   Eric McKirdy wrote: > Hello everyone, and happy Labor Day -- > > Being Labor Day, this is the day I traditionally map out the big = Christmas > program my church choir will do the Sunday before Christmas. I've = composed > one piece for them, and I plan to do the traditional Austrian carol = "Still, > Still, Still." Both of these would benefit from real, honest-to-goodness > chimes. You know, the kind which are vertical, and struck with a mallet = at > the top of each chime. > > We don't have immediate access to an instrument of this sort, and I'm = just > wondering where a person would go to buy a used set -- they can be = downright > ugly, as long as they sound okay. Any ideas? > > Eric -- really, I don't ask for much > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: Chimes From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 21:16:02 EDT   MIDI anyone?   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: historic approach From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:26:04 -0500   Hi, Alan: You hit a proper item that I lumped into a much larger mass..... Not all French churches are Cathedrals. Right! I remember William Harrison Barnes' words when he toured churches in Europe. He came home saying, "They do not build better organs in Europe; ...they build better sounding churches." Anyway, I was trying to describe a better reverberant environment for an organ than we have in most American church buildings. F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs .. Alan Freed wrote: > But I'm not so sure about "those large French cathedrals." > Aren't most of them (involved in this consideration) not > cathedrals at all? * * * ...surely mostly not? > > Alan ..  
(back) Subject: Re: Chimes From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:40:29 -0500   Hello, Eric: Why don't you advertise in the WANTED portion of The Church Organ Trader? They can be reached at www.keyboardtrader.com The type of chime set you described is typical of those used with orchestra or wind band. We were able to borrow chime sets from our local schools. The schools were finished with classes and dismissed for the Christmas holidays. Never went without the real chimes when we needed them at Christmas. F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs ..   Eric wrote: > Both of these would benefit from real, honest-to-goodness > chimes. You know, the kind which are vertical, and struck > with a mallet at the top of each chime.    
(back) Subject: Re: ORGANLive From: "Bill" <bill.hauser@cox.net> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:46:02 -0500     Most of us don't like to register for squat, for obvious reasons.   Just enter a bogus email address, bogus age and bogus gender, and = voila--you're registered.   I do have to say, they DO play a VARIETY. If you don't like what you're = hearing, stay tuned--something to your liking will come along.        
(back) Subject: Re: Chimes From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 18:14:44 -0700   I've tried about a dozen Google searches so far... Everyone has brand-new, for about $3500 or more.   Neither of our local high schools has them(!).         On 9/1/03 6:17 PM, quilisma@cox.net said something about:   > Have you tried your local high schools? Bands usually have them ... > > Used? there's a site, but I can't remember the addy ... try "used chimes > " as a Google search? > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Eric McKirdy wrote: >> Hello everyone, and happy Labor Day -- >> >> Being Labor Day, this is the day I traditionally map out the big = Christmas >> program my church choir will do the Sunday before Christmas. I've = composed >> one piece for them, and I plan to do the traditional Austrian carol = "Still, >> Still, Still." Both of these would benefit from real, = honest-to-goodness >> chimes. You know, the kind which are vertical, and struck with a mallet = at >> the top of each chime. >> >> We don't have immediate access to an instrument of this sort, and I'm = just >> wondering where a person would go to buy a used set -- they can be = downright >> ugly, as long as they sound okay. Any ideas? >> >> Eric -- really, I don't ask for much >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> >> > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Chimes From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 18:18:43 -0700   I have a Yamaha keyboard with an okay Bell sound, but I'd really like the real deal if possible. Not only for the sound, but also for the ambience = and authenticity.     On 9/1/03 6:16 PM, Keys4bach@aol.com said something about:   > MIDI anyone? > > dale in Florida >    
(back) Subject: Re: Chimes From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:10:45 EDT   In a message dated 9/1/03 9:07:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu writes:   << We don't have immediate access to an instrument of this sort, and I'm = just wondering where a person would go to buy a used set -- they can be = downright ugly, as long as they sound okay. Any ideas? >>   Hmm, I can think of a couple of places here in the mid-atlantic where you could rent a set, but that doesn't do you a lot of good out in Oregon. = You might try asking some local percussionists where they go to get (either rent of purchase) equipment they don't own.   Richard  
(back) Subject: Re: Chimes From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 19:15:44 -0700   Eric, if you can think fast, playing   e - c - g - c - f ON the chime sound will give you a synthetic middle C .... just lock your hands in that position and play (chuckle)   WORKS!   Bud   Eric McKirdy wrote: > I have a Yamaha keyboard with an okay Bell sound, but I'd really like = the > real deal if possible. Not only for the sound, but also for the ambience = and > authenticity. > > > On 9/1/03 6:16 PM, Keys4bach@aol.com said something about: > > >>MIDI anyone? >> >>dale in Florida >> > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: And French romantic on the German Baroque organ From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 19:13:41 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Why doesn't this surprise me?   I've been enjoying listening to the CD I purchased at St Bavo, Haarlem, on the organ of which Jos van der Kooy plays Widor among others.   Some very clever registration apart, the thing that strikes me is how I don't miss the chamades. Jos van der Kooy simply replaces the climactic reeds with the higher pitched mxitures and the splendid chorus reeds. With some very rich, high pitched teirce mixtures, the effect is sufficiently French to be convincing musically.   The advantage over a French organ is the startling clarity of all the various parts.   Definitely recommended listening!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Walter Greenwood <walterg@nauticom.net> wrote: > Yesterday I attended the last of this year's summer > recitals on the 4/97 Von Beckerath tracker (with one > partially expressive division) at St. Paul's > Cathedral here in Pittsburgh. It was an all Widor > program > performed by Dr. David Billings, including the > complete 5th Symphonie, and I expected a bizzare > experience. > I was pleasantly surprised   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Chimes From: "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 19:17:06 -0700   Eric, one suggestion: try contacting the local university (if you're close = to one) to see if they'd loan out their chime rack, maybe with a player. = Also, perhaps a larger local church, maybe? --Sam Sam Vause, Chandler, AZ   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Eric McKirdy Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:19 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Chimes   I have a Yamaha keyboard with an okay Bell sound, but I'd really like the real deal if possible. Not only for the sound, but also for the ambience = and authenticity. ...    
(back) Subject: Re: ORGANLive From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:29:17 -0400   on 9/1/03 9:46 PM, Bill at bill.hauser@cox.net wrote:   Most of us don't like to register for squat, for obvious reasons. Just enter a bogus email address, bogus age and bogus gender, and voila--you're registered. I do have to say, they DO play a VARIETY. If you don't like what you're hearing, stay tuned--something to your liking will come along.         Good advice, concerning registration.   I've been listening off and on for several days, though, and I'm starting = to hear the same performances over and over again. I could do with a bit = more variety.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu        
(back) Subject: Re: Chimes From: "Kealypaul" <kealypaul@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 19:49:50 -0700 (PDT)   .... or on a piano, play melody in octaves, surrounded by 2 Perfect 4ths on the top, and a 6th below; lock your fingers on that, i.e. for a C, play E,C,G,C,F (the octave C's buried in the mix are the melody, surreounded on the upper by the 4ths and the lower by the 6th, Played on upper register of piano, of course).   Seriously. I would do whatever possible to get beauty of real acoustic chimes, even the electronically amplified rods of older Mass-Rowe.   Most synthetic approximations are pathetic, unless you get a Sound Canvas MIDI unit, especially if you tweak the envelops a bit, or use a sustain pedal.   I do MIDI stuff until I put together my pipe unit, but it ain't the same, I know.   (You might double check the folks at SCPOP (Sound Canvas Pipe Organ Project). If not visible, the sound is remarkable.   However, I pray you get the real thing. Failing that, I would check with local church buds to find a handbell choir that would consent to perform with you. Why not augment your program?   Paul E. Kealy   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: ORGANLive From: "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia.net> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:12:59 -0700   Re: ORGANLiveLet me weigh in here -=20   It takes a lot of work to get these sort of things off the ground.......   I have been sending Brent some of my performances to use at no cost or = obligation to him, but... it takes a LONG time to prepare a rotation that doesn't repeat every 4 or 5 hours....   I am preparing a weekly feed for him that won't repeat... a sort of = "pipedreams" format (except a 1 hr show instead of a 1.5 hr show) It is possible that the show might run at a couple of different times to = allow folks in non-USA time zones to access it at a decent hour.   I'm sure Brent, I, or both of us will be sure to inform the List(s) when = the program goes live.   Jonathan ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Randolph Runyon=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 7:29 PM Subject: Re: ORGANLive     on 9/1/03 9:46 PM, Bill at bill.hauser@cox.net wrote:       Most of us don't like to register for squat, for obvious reasons.   Just enter a bogus email address, bogus age and bogus gender, and = voila--you're registered.   I do have to say, they DO play a VARIETY. If you don't like what = you're hearing, stay tuned--something to your liking will come along.             Good advice, concerning registration.   I've been listening off and on for several days, though, and I'm = starting to hear the same performances over and over again. I could do = with a bit more variety.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu       --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release Date: 8/19/03  
(back) Subject: Re: Leather deterioration in NYC From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:42:49 -0400   How long the leather lasts also depends on the air in the hall=2E When i w= as in grad school there was a pittman action Schantz in the recital hall that=   cyphered all the time because of holes in the leather pouches=2E It was i= n one of the worst designed recital halls I've ever seen=2E It has incredib= ly dry air and awful accoustics=2E In addition when the organ was moved ther= e form the old hall someone made the boneheaded move of not encasing it whic= h leaves it exposed to the elements=2E Anyways, my prof didn't think it was=   worth the bother to releather it because of the hall=2E He thought in tha= t atmosphere that it would only last about 20 years and that if that organ were to be repaired that direct electric action should be used=2E However= , it isn't worth doing anything as long as it is in that terrible hall=2E   Andrew Meagher   Original Message: ----------------- From: John L=2E Speller jlspeller@mindspring=2Ecom Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 09:55:38 -0500 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Re: Leather deterioration in NYC         Bob Elms wrote:   > My son has just releathered a 1912 tubular pneumatic from a South=20 > Australian Church=2E According to a date inside the chest it was last=20=   > done in 1930=2E That is over 70 years=2E Mind you it needed redoing=2E > Bob Elms=2E > > TubaMagna@aol=2Ecom wrote: > >> There are pipe organs from the same era (1920s) in NYC that=20 >> operated on their original leather for 70 or more years before being=20=   >> releathered=2E GOOD leather lasts 50-70 years, even in this city=2E= =20 >> Leather costs less than junking an organ and buying a replacement=20 >> that lasts half as long=2E > Here in Missouri we have just finished releathering a Hinners organ from=20=   1925 which was still on its original leather, which would be nearly 80=20 years=2E Even then it might have gone another five years, but as we had=20=   to remove and reinstall it anyway because the church was being=20 remodeled, it seemed sensible to releather it now and save the church a=20=   lot of money dismantling it again later on=2E It was originally in=20 another church, where the new Moller organ that replaced it was built=20 with perflex, so had to be releathered years before it was!   The worst leather was in the period c=2E 1945-1980, before people like=20 Harley Piltingsrud got involved in trying to improve things, so=20 hopefully today's organ leather will last substantially longer than it=20 was doing in the third quarter of the twentieth century=2E   Other factors are also involved besides the quality of the leather=2E One=20=   problem is that sloppy employees sometimes failed to make sure that the=20=   glue at the edges of the pouch hole was not sharp, and sometimes good=20 quality leather has a short life because the glue cuts through and makes=20=   holes=2E Moller and Aeolian-Skinner were particularly bad at this in the=20=   period around 1958-68=2E =20   John Speller   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: RE: And French romantic on the German Baroque organ From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:47:41 -0400   Walter,   I gave a performance of Franck's Grande Piece Symphonique on a 23 rank Beckerath tracker in grad school because that was the performance instrument there=2E I too was suprised at how well it worked=2E while it=   wasn't the same as playing it on a Cavaille-Coll it worked much better hta= n I expected=2E   Andrew Meagher   Original Message: ----------------- Wrom: HSCRTNHGSWZIDREXCAXZOWCONEUQZAAFXISHJ Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 14:41:20 -0400 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: And French romantic on the German Baroque organ     Yesterday I attended the last of this year's summer recitals on the 4/97 Von Beckerath tracker (with one partially expressive division) at St=2E Paul's Cathedral here in Pittsburg= h=2E=20 It was an all Widor program performed by Dr=2E David Billings, including the complete 5th Symphonie, a= nd I expected a bizzare experience=2E I was pleasantly surprised at how appropriate a sound David was able to ge= t out of the very Germanic instrument=2E It wasn't a C-C, but the spirit was there nonetheless=2E   Dr=2E Yoder - were you there? What did you think?   -WG     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: Re: historic approach From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:55:07 -0400   Bud,   Those american organist play the Widor toccat TOO fast=2E It isn't really=   supposed to go that fast=2E The reason is the articulation is supposed to= be staccato and it is impossible to do this if you play it too fast=2E Those=   who play it too fast usually cheat on the articulation and play legato=2E=2E= lol   Andrew Meagher   Original Message: ----------------- Wrom: KHJYFMYXOEAIJJPHS Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2003 16:40:58 -0700 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Re: historic approach     Yeah, but =2E=2E=2E parish churches in Paris like St=2E Sulpice or St=2E D= enis or=20 Sacre Coeur or La Trinite (the ones I've actually been in) are ALL=20 larger than Smoky Mary's, by way of comparison=2E   Another point =2E=2E=2E Barker levers simply won't "fire" as fast as some=20=   American organists play the Widor =2E=2E=2E nor could the wind supply keep= up=2E=20 The short chord before the final chord (in some editions) is to set UP=20 the wind =2E=2E=2E the bellows collapse, then refill so that the last chor= d=20 comes on like gangbusters=2E I haven't explained that very well, but=20 that's the way it was explained to me (chuckle)=2E   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote: > On 9/1/03 6:23 PM, "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon=2Enet> wrote: >=20 >=20 >>the reverberation times were so long in those large French cathedrals=2E=   >=20 >=20 > The technical/acoustic aspects of what you are saying are at least a bit=   > over my head, but I certainly agree with what I think you're saying=2E > Different ballpark, isn't it? (Think Fenway Park=2E) >=20 > But I'm not so sure about "those large French cathedrals=2E" Aren't mo= st of > them (involved in this consideration) not cathedrals at all? I suppose one > in Paris, and surely a few more (Rouen, etc=2E)=2E But surely mostly no= t? >=20 > Alan >=20 > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg >=20 >=20 >=20       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: Re: Chimes From: "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:00:26 -0700   I have 2 sets in my garage--free for the taking Harvey-Los Angeles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 7:17 PM Subject: RE: Chimes     > Eric, one suggestion: try contacting the local university (if you're = close to > one) to see if they'd loan out their chime rack, maybe with a player. Also, > perhaps a larger local church, maybe? > --Sam > Sam Vause, Chandler, AZ > > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Eric McKirdy > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:19 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: Chimes > > I have a Yamaha keyboard with an okay Bell sound, but I'd really like = the > real deal if possible. Not only for the sound, but also for the ambience and > authenticity. ... > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >