PipeChat Digest #3928 - Tuesday, September 2, 2003
 
Re: Introducing ORGANLive  x-post
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
a formula for sizing organs relative to number of seats???
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: Introducing ORGANLive  x-post
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
RE: And French romantic on the German Baroque organ
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Organ sizing rule of thumb;  Was: And French romantic on the German  Baro
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: St Ann & Holy Trinity; was Romantic beasts in NYC
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
RE: And French romantic on the German Baroque organ
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: age-old formula for sizing organs by number of seats???!
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: a formula for sizing organs relative to number of seats???
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
RE: historic approach
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: Introducing ORGANLive  x-post
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Re: Preservation/Destruction of Organs
  by "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: historic approach
  by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com>
Bach Registration
  by "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net>
Re: Chimes
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: Bach Registration
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Bach Registration
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Bach Registration
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
Re: Introducing ORGANLive  x-post
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Chimes
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Re: Jazz on the "classic" pipe organ
  by <Swedish5702@aol.com>
Question about Andrew Carnegie/organ
  by "Stephen Best" <sbest@borg.com>
parts
  by "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com>
Re: Chimes
  by "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: Introducing ORGANLive x-post From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:27:01 -0400   In a message dated 9/2/2003 3:35:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = conwayb@sympatico.ca writes:   > >I tried this service, and was pretty disappointed. > > Go to it by clicking on this link: > http://www.live365.com/stations/organistbrent?play > > I bookmarked this link in my Favourites and it works fine, > - no signing in, > no messing, just plays right away.   the first time i went to that web site, it played without problem, and no = sign-in. however, each time i return now it asks for me to register. = even though it's free, i'm not interested in giving any information just = to listen.  
(back) Subject: a formula for sizing organs relative to number of seats??? From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:39:29 -0700       F Richard Burt wrote:   > > For as long as I have been around, the age-old guide > for sizing a pipe organ was 3 or 4 complete ranks of > pipes (counting mixtures as 1 rank) per 100 seats in > a hall. So, with that in mind, the hall justifies only > 9 to 12 ranks of pipes. > >   Certainly a 300-seat Anglican church with a choral service would not be well-served by 9-12 ranks of pipes, no matter HOW good the acoustics.   I was taught that the median was 300 seats =3D 30 stops; below that, more stops per seat; above that, fewer stops per seat.   But that's only a rule-of-thumb, not a hard-and-fast formula.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: RE: Introducing ORGANLive x-post From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:35:21 -0500   So use a pseudonym.   -----Original Message----- From: BlueeyedBear@aol.com [mailto:BlueeyedBear@aol.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:27 PM To: "PipeChat" Subject: Re: Introducing ORGANLive x-post   In a message dated 9/2/2003 3:35:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, conwayb@sympatico.ca writes:   > >I tried this service, and was pretty disappointed. >=20 > Go to it by clicking on this link: > http://www.live365.com/stations/organistbrent?play >=20 > I bookmarked this link in my Favourites and it works fine,=20 > - no signing in,=20 > no messing, just plays right away.   the first time i went to that web site, it played without problem, and no sign-in. however, each time i return now it asks for me to register. even though it's free, i'm not interested in giving any information just to listen. =20 "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: RE: And French romantic on the German Baroque organ From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:36:08 -0400   > For as long as I have been around, the age-old guide for sizing a pipe organ was 3 or 4 complete ranks of pipes (counting mixtures as 1 rank) per 100 seats in a hall. So, with that in mind, the hall justifies only 9 to 12 ranks of pipes.   I've never heard this before. It sounds skimpy to me as an ideal, = although these days it might have to do as a feasible minimum. It = should at least be tailored to denominations and circumstances. Some = pack every possible square foot with seating, while others are more = luxurious. Probably an Episcopal church seating 300 would be larger = than average-- but a Roman Catholic church seating 300 would be = unusually small. I've played in a gorgeous Gothic-revival Episcopal = church 120 feet long and 45 feet from floor to ceiling, so large on the = outside that signs on the grounds direct people from the parking lot to = the various entrances and sections of the building. It even has = acoustics. But it seats less than 300 (and many impressive fanes, = especially in Britain and Europe, have a similar ratio). Fortunately, = the organ is about 60 ranks. I'd consider this rather sumptuous but not = too large for the room. =20   I've heard a rule of thumb suggesting that the cost of the organ should = be 10% of the cost of a church building-- although this might not get us = very far these days, either.    
(back) Subject: Organ sizing rule of thumb; Was: And French romantic on the German Baroque organ From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:57:34 -0400   Jeez Louise! Where did THAT rule come from? Did you forget a zero? I = wouldn't have less than 90 ranks in my friggin' living room.   Respectfully, ;-) -WG   > "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> wrote: > > For as long as I have been around, the age-old guide > for sizing a pipe organ was 3 or 4 complete ranks of > pipes (counting mixtures as 1 rank) per 100 seats in > a hall. So, with that in mind, the hall justifies only > 9 to 12 ranks of pipes.    
(back) Subject: Re: St Ann & Holy Trinity; was Romantic beasts in NYC From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:09:02 -0700     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org>   >Didn't Virgil record the Reubke on this instrument in the late 1960s (in addition to his recording at the Hammond Castle)?   Yes indeed (along with the Pierne 3 Pieces op. 29 and the Bach a minor Adagio somehow detached from the surrounding C Major Toccata and Fugue).   The (undated, but 1969-70 or after) liner notes say "A most comprehensive restoration of this instrument is now in process, and at the time of this recording a new five manual console was commissioned from the Keates Organ Co., Acton, Ontario. This console will be the largest installed in the metropolitan New York area in recent years and will replace the original four manual. Mr. Tom Farrell, Curator of this and other major instruments = in the area, including the residence concert organ of Dr. Virgil Fox, is consulting with Mr. Ernest Nichols, Organist and Mr. Franco Renzulli, Director of the Choirs during this restoration."   The notes further mention that previous organists of the church included Harry Rowe Shelley, Dudley Buck, Louis Robert, and John Huston, and that Virgil auditioned on this instrument for Bernard Laberge. (Robert was Virgil's "beloved teacher and friend.")   MAF    
(back) Subject: RE: And French romantic on the German Baroque organ From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:11:17 -0400   Miriam Duncan once mentioned Marie-Claire Alain's reminiscences about = playing her brother's Trois Danses at Haarlem. She didn't complain = about the sound at all, but the heaviness of the manual action left her = entire upper body aching for several days afterwords. She's always been a trooper under adverse conditions. When I first = heard the name in the early 1960s, it was from an American reviewer of a = recent American tour who complained about the miserable instruments that = she often had to contend with. At the Worcester, Mass. regional a = couple years ago, she played superbly high in a west gallery, on such a = hot evening that everyone in the audience was wilting and clutching = water bottles.   It depends on the organ. David Craighead, I think it was, closed his = recital with Fanck's Grand Piece Symphonique on the large Fisk at House = of Hope Presbyterian in Minneapolis during the AGO national there. I = thought that this performance was distinctly unpleasant to listen to, = although the organ had been eloquent in Buxtehude and Bach. =20   On the other hand, the organist of Cologne Cathedral has made a CD on = the new Klais that includes a good deal of Vierne, and it is very = convincing, as is the rest of the program. This organ might not be = designed as "German Baroque", but eclectic, in accord with more = cosmopolitan contemporary tastes. Whatever, it's amazingly effective = and versatile considering its modest size. (It plays Reger, too, if with = a relatively baroque accent. A recital there opened my ears to that = composer, such that I came out loving his music for the first time = ever.) German Swiss organists nowadays have a keen interest in French = music and can play it wonderfully. This wasn't often the case as little = as a generation ago.      
(back) Subject: Re: age-old formula for sizing organs by number of seats???! From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:15:20 EDT   I cannot imagine any organbuilder considering such an idea. Where did you read or hear this from an organbuilder? And how many centuries has this age-old practice been going on?  
(back) Subject: Re: a formula for sizing organs relative to number of seats??? From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:18:38 EDT   It is always comforting to a voicer to know that the Grand Plein Jeu = VIII-XIV really counts as only one rank. It makes the job much easier...  
(back) Subject: RE: historic approach From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:21:32 -0400   > But I'm not so sure about "those large French cathedrals." Aren't = most of them (involved in this consideration) not cathedrals at all? I suppose = one in Paris, and surely a few more (Rouen, etc.). But surely mostly not?   No, but the most famous parish churches in Paris, except Couperin's (S. = Germain-des-Pres?) are all HUGE. I've read that S. Sulpice is larger = than Notre-Dame. Having been in both, I can't be sure whether this is = true, false, or dependent on what one is measuring. They are comparable = in size. Sacre-Coeur, Trinite, and others are also quite vast.   Unfortunately, it may be that the organs in many of the actual = cathedrals in France aren't particularly distinguished. France is = centralized culturally-- go beyond Paris and you're in "the provinces." = Even with Rouen, isn't the most famous organ in S. Ouen, which is not = the cathedral?      
(back) Subject: Re: Introducing ORGANLive x-post From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:55:19 EDT   Hi The site is catchy, but they do have pop ups which mine data, and they do want to know your info. it won't work without info.   Ron    
(back) Subject: Re: Preservation/Destruction of Organs From: "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:33:30 -0700   TommyLee, it is not the Australian Government which subsidises the restoration of historic pipe organs. That is done by two of the states - New South Wales and (I believe) Victoria. Here in Western Australia there is no financial assistance for the restorations; the church has to pay for the work to be done. Incidentally the main treasury of unaltered historic pipe organs seems to be New South Wales, although there are such in other states. In Western Australia, there are only a total of about 110 pipe organs anyway, and few of them have escaped alteration of some sort. The largely unaltered instruments are by Kirkland, Hill, Monk, and Pease, plus a number of small organs by J.E.Dodd., and one unique large two manual by Moser of Munich. I can't help with North Sydney. It is about 2000 miles east of here!! Bob Elms.   TommyLee Whitlock wrote:   >Australia rejoices in a treasure of organs from the Victorian era for = pretty >much the same reason. Until recently, there weren't funds to replace = them so >continued to make do with what they had. When I was last there 2 years = ago, I >was told that the Australian government had started to subsidize = restoration >of these gems and recognizes them as jewels of their national heritage. > >Any of our friends from down-under care to comment? Bob? Others? > >And if there is anyone near North Sydney, could you get me some info and >comments on the organ at Christ Church Lavender Bay? It's a smallish but =   >charming organ and they weren't really sure _who_ built it, though Walker = was >the leading contender for the title, and should have been refurbished = last >year. > >Cheers, >TommyLee > >"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: historic approach From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:32:16 -0700     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>   >No, but the most famous parish churches in Paris, except Couperin's (S. Germain-des-Pres?) are all HUGE. I've read that >S. Sulpice is larger = than Notre-Dame. Having been in both, I can't be sure whether this is true, false, or dependent on what >one is measuring. They are comparable in = size. Sacre-Coeur, Trinite, and others are also quite vast.   Absolutely true. St. Sulpice at 360' length x 183' width x 108' height is about 10% smaller than Notre-Dame's 426' length x 157' width x 115' = height. (The figures are converted from the metrics of my ancient Guide Bleu and probably reliable.) And the Couperins' church was St. Gervais. I was startled to notice a few months ago while lounging around in front of the Pompidou Museum, by the way, that even St. Merri, which for centuries was bottled up by surrounding streets but now has its north side completely exposed, is an enormous church by our standards.   >Unfortunately, it may be that the organs in many of the actual cathedrals in France aren't particularly distinguished. France is >centralized culturally-- go beyond Paris and you're in "the provinces." Even with Rouen, isn't the most famous organ in S. >Ouen, which is not the = cathedral?   Certainly St. Ouen is the great organ of Rouen, but the situation there is somewhat like St. Sulpice vs. Notre-Dame -- St. Ouen is thoroughly comparable in size with the cathedral -- and the cathedral's organ isn't = all that bad on the evidence of a CD I got there. Other cathedrals do have variously distinguished organs, though many were rebuilt by Gonzalez or Danion as neo-classiques in that period of our common heritage (Chartres, Reims, Soissons, etc. etc.). But there are quite a few untouched Cavaille-Colls out in the provinces -- many more, I think, than in Paris.   But I probably ought to add that a visit to the loft at Notre Dame = provided me with absolutely convincing evidence (for my ears, anyway) that it isn't necessarily a sin to change a Cavaille-Coll. I posted my reactions to that extraordinary instrument on another list, but disliking cross-posting, didn't do it here. I'd be happy to send it to anyone interested in one person's unexpected conversion to Cochereau's party horns.   MAF   MAF    
(back) Subject: Bach Registration From: "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:09:50 -0400   Hello Pipe Chatters!   Yesterday I was sight-reading Bach's Herzlich thut mich verlangen as edited by Edwin Arthur Kraft and I would like to know what an appropriate registration for this piece would be. Thanks!   = -Nate   "The Apprentice"      
(back) Subject: Re: Chimes From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:14:30 EDT   In a message dated 9/2/03 1:42:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = rggreene2@shaw.ca writes:   << Has anyone on the list run across a really decent set of bell/chime/carillon samples for MIDI? >>   In the organ which my congregation (hopes) to have Patrick Murphy restore (pending congregational approval), it was decided to go with digital = chimes to save a couple thousand dollars. We heard one organ with real chimes = and one with digital, and decided we liked the sound of the digital ones = better. Initially, that will be the only digital sound on the organ, but others = may be added at a later time. (We currently have set of real chimes which have = become quite decrepid over the years, -- roughly half of them have cracks so = instead of a chime tone, you get a 'thunk').   Richard  
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Registration From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:28:27 -0700   What Dr. Kraft says, of course (chuckle) ... what is it? Oboe, Vox Celeste, tremulant? something like that. WORKED on the old Trinity Cathedral organ (grin).   The "right" registration is probably something like:   Positiv: Gedackt 8, (principal 4', if you like), Sesquialtera II, (Tremulant, if you like)   or   Positiv: (8' and/or 4' flute, if you like), Krumhorn 8, (Tremulant, if you like)   Accompanied by   Great 8' Principal (on a GOOD organ) or 8' Rohrfloete + 4' flute, or whatever balances   Pedal - Subbass 16', Octave 8' (on a GOOD organ), or something softer but still clear   Cheers,   Bud   Bigaquarium wrote: > Hello Pipe Chatters! > > Yesterday I was sight-reading Bach's Herzlich thut mich verlangen as > edited by Edwin Arthur Kraft and I would like to know what an = appropriate > registration for this piece would be. Thanks! > > = > -Nate > > "The Apprentice" > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Registration From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:31:39 EDT   In a message dated 9/2/2003 9:24:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@cox.net writes:   > would like to know what an appropriate > >registration for this piece would be. Thanks! >   for something effective but maybe not correct   Gt 4'flute with trem!?   Sw 8'flute box closed to taste or Ch Soft Celeste   Pd soft 16 with swell coupled   dale waiting for tar and feathers in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach Registration From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:43:16 EDT   A nice oboe with a pretty 8' principal is good for the melody. You could also use a krummhorn or regal 8' with an 8' flute, you could use a nice 8' =   prinzipal alone, you could use a 16' prinzipal and play an octave up-nice = and tubby... A more haunting sound could be accomplished with a sesquialtera = and an 8' flute. You can use the trem with all of these options. The accompaniment =   should be a nice 8' flute in the manual and 16 and 8' flutes in the = pedal. You could be naughty and use an Albert Schweitzer registration and play = legato. hehehe   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com    
(back) Subject: Re: Introducing ORGANLive x-post From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:09:07 EDT   In a message dated 9/2/03 4:56:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, RonSeverin@aol.com writes:   << Hi The site is catchy, but they do have pop ups which mine data, and they do want to know your info. it won't work without info. >>   i have a pop-up killer so i'm not annoyed by those anymore. if they want = my info, then i'll simply not use that site.  
(back) Subject: Re: Chimes From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:03:37 -0700   Harvey,   I'm not sure my email this morning went through -- my ISP has been = sluggish due to the viruses running amok.   I sent a 12k picture of the kind of chimes I was talking about needing -- and wondering if these are the kind you have in your garage, or if what = you have will work instead.   Thanks, Eric     On 9/1/03 10:00 PM, harv8 said something about:   > I have 2 sets in my garage--free for the taking > Harvey-Los Angeles > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net> > To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 7:17 PM > Subject: RE: Chimes > > >> Eric, one suggestion: try contacting the local university (if you're = close > to >> one) to see if they'd loan out their chime rack, maybe with a player. > Also, >> perhaps a larger local church, maybe? >> --Sam >> Sam Vause, Chandler, AZ >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of >> Eric McKirdy >> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:19 PM >> To: PipeChat >> Subject: Re: Chimes >> >> I have a Yamaha keyboard with an okay Bell sound, but I'd really like = the >> real deal if possible. Not only for the sound, but also for the = ambience > and >> authenticity. ... >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> >> > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: Jazz on the "classic" pipe organ From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:25:44 EDT   Hi Gang:   You should have been in Trinity Church in Boston when the late George = Faxon played "The Duke" on that OLE so romantic Skinner in the gallery.   Thank You George!   Best, Craig    
(back) Subject: Question about Andrew Carnegie/organ From: "Stephen Best" <sbest@borg.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:39:35 -0400   Hi everyone,   I've been asked about a specific organ financed in part by Andrew Carnegie sometime between 1901 and 1909. The instrument was built for St. Paul's Lutheran Church, Utica, NY, at a total cost of $2100. Carnegie gave $1000. Anyone have access to Carnegie historic records? If I can at least find the specific date the organ was built, I will be able to answer a parishioner's question.   Steve Best in Utica, NY    
(back) Subject: parts From: "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:08:14 -0700   Anyone want 3 keyboards--ivory covered from a 1925 AEolian console along with pnuematic relays? Harvey  
(back) Subject: Re: Chimes From: "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:11:37 -0700   Sorry I didn't get the pix. Also I didn't read thoroughly about the chimes you wanted. Unfortunately, these are tubular chimes that everyone is thumbing their nose at and had electric action striking them. I always thought = they were quite nice and a lot of churches had these hung separate from the organ. I have seen and heard the orchestral tubular chimes and there are differences, of course, but these still are very musical and rich in harmonics. IF you are still interested you call me at 818 980 7249 Harvey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Chimes     > Harvey, > > I'm not sure my email this morning went through -- my ISP has been sluggish > due to the viruses running amok. > > I sent a 12k picture of the kind of chimes I was talking about needing = -- > and wondering if these are the kind you have in your garage, or if what you > have will work instead. > > Thanks, > Eric > > > On 9/1/03 10:00 PM, harv8 said something about: > > > I have 2 sets in my garage--free for the taking > > Harvey-Los Angeles > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net> > > To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 7:17 PM > > Subject: RE: Chimes > > > > > >> Eric, one suggestion: try contacting the local university (if you're close > > to > >> one) to see if they'd loan out their chime rack, maybe with a player. > > Also, > >> perhaps a larger local church, maybe? > >> --Sam > >> Sam Vause, Chandler, AZ > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf = Of > >> Eric McKirdy > >> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:19 PM > >> To: PipeChat > >> Subject: Re: Chimes > >> > >> I have a Yamaha keyboard with an okay Bell sound, but I'd really like the > >> real deal if possible. Not only for the sound, but also for the ambience > > and > >> authenticity. ... > >> > >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related = topics > >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >