PipeChat Digest #3933 - Wednesday, September 3, 2003
 
Chimes...to damp or not to damp, that is the question
  by "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net>
 

(back) Subject: Chimes...to damp or not to damp, that is the question From: "Patricia/Thomas Gregory" <tgregory@speeddial.net> Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 18:04:25 -0500   Greetings:   Just a few comments from a handbell ringer/director/arranger and organist.   Many pipe organs contain a set of chimes. The most prolific manufacturer was Deagon, although other manufacturers produced quality products.   Chimes came in different grades and actions. The cheapest had the same diameters throughout. The next quality had graduated diameters, the = finest quality had graduated diameters and wall thickness.   The cheapest actions had no damping (that is right....the word is not "dampening")....just a pneumatic (or solenoid to strike the tube.   More expensive actions would have an additional mechanism which would damp the chime when the key was released. The best mechanisms had an = additional stop (usually a toe stud) on the console which would be called "chime dampers off". This would let the tubes sound as they gradually faded in volume.   The most natural sound for chimes and carillons is a natural decay. Some organists felt this extension of tone caused 'blurring' of the tonal = pallet and required the damping action. (I have yet to see a carillon with = dampers on the bells!)   I know of one set of English handbells (there may be more) playable from = an organ console, that being at First Christian Church, Washington D.C. The English handbells in this large Moller were manufactured by Whitechapel, = and are located in the antiphonal organ. This church also has a large set of Deagon tower chimes, playable from a separate console or by a roll player.   If you wish a carillon sound you will need a set of Petit & Fritzen handbells. These bells have a minor tierce in the overtone structure. = Many AGEHR (American Guild of English Handbell Ringers and directors) dislike = the tonal pallet of the P & F bells and discourage their use in area and national festivals.   Handbells manufactured in England (Whitechapel) and those produced in the United States (Malmark & Schulmerich) have this minor tierce eliminated in the overtone structure, making a major chord much more pleasant for the listener.   Best wishes,   Tom Gregory   p.s. I have three octaves of P & F bells mounted on a rack, attached to a wall in our studio. Although playable only by mallets, they have a delightful sound and are a great way to "ring out" frustrations!   -- Thomas Gregory 716 West College Avenue Waukesha WI USA 53186-4569   ---------- >From: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >Subject: PipeChat Digest #3928 - 09/02/03 >Date: Tue, Sep 2, 2003, 10:50 PM >   > PipeChat Digest #3928 - Tuesday, September 2, 2003 > > Re: Introducing ORGANLive x-post > by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> > a formula for sizing organs relative to number of seats??? > by <quilisma@cox.net> > RE: Introducing ORGANLive x-post > by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> > RE: And French romantic on the German Baroque organ > by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> > Organ sizing rule of thumb; Was: And French romantic on the German = Baro > by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> > Re: St Ann & Holy Trinity; was Romantic beasts in NYC > by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> > RE: And French romantic on the German Baroque organ > by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> > Re: age-old formula for sizing organs by number of seats???! > by <TubaMagna@aol.com> > Re: a formula for sizing organs relative to number of seats??? > by <TubaMagna@aol.com> > RE: historic approach > by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> > Re: Introducing ORGANLive x-post > by <RonSeverin@aol.com> > Re: Preservation/Destruction of Organs > by "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> > Re: historic approach > by "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> > Bach Registration > by "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> > Re: Chimes > by <ContraReed@aol.com> > Re: Bach Registration > by <quilisma@cox.net> > Re: Bach Registration > by <Keys4bach@aol.com> > Re: Bach Registration > by <Gfc234@aol.com> > Re: Introducing ORGANLive x-post > by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> > Re: Chimes > by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> > Re: Jazz on the "classic" pipe organ > by <Swedish5702@aol.com> > Question about Andrew Carnegie/organ > by "Stephen Best" <sbest@borg.com> > parts > by "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com> > Re: Chimes > by "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Introducing ORGANLive x-post > From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:27:01 -0400 > > In a message dated 9/2/2003 3:35:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > conwayb@sympatico.ca writes: > >> >I tried this service, and was pretty disappointed. >> >> Go to it by clicking on this link: >> http://www.live365.com/stations/organistbrent?play >> >> I bookmarked this link in my Favourites and it works fine, >> - no signing in, >> no messing, just plays right away. > > the first time i went to that web site, it played without problem, and = no > sign-in. however, each time i return now it asks for me to register. = even > though it's free, i'm not interested in giving any information just to = listen. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: a formula for sizing organs relative to number of seats??? > From: <quilisma@cox.net> > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 14:39:29 -0700 > > > > F Richard Burt wrote: > >> >> For as long as I have been around, the age-old guide >> for sizing a pipe organ was 3 or 4 complete ranks of >> pipes (counting mixtures as 1 rank) per 100 seats in >> a hall. So, with that in mind, the hall justifies only >> 9 to 12 ranks of pipes. >> >> > > Certainly a 300-seat Anglican church with a choral service would not be > well-served by 9-12 ranks of pipes, no matter HOW good the acoustics. > > I was taught that the median was 300 seats =3D 30 stops; below that, = more > stops per seat; above that, fewer stops per seat. > > But that's only a rule-of-thumb, not a hard-and-fast formula. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: RE: Introducing ORGANLive x-post > From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 16:35:21 -0500 > > So use a pseudonym. > > -----Original Message----- > From: BlueeyedBear@aol.com [mailto:BlueeyedBear@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 4:27 PM > To: "PipeChat" > Subject: Re: Introducing ORGANLive x-post > > In a message dated 9/2/2003 3:35:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > conwayb@sympatico.ca writes: > >> >I tried this service, and was pretty disappointed. >> >> Go to it by clicking on this link: >> http://www.live365.com/stations/organistbrent?play >> >> I bookmarked this link in my Favourites and it works fine, >> - no signing in, >> no messing, just plays right away. > > the first time i went to that web site, it played without problem, and > no sign-in. however, each time i return now it asks for me to register. > even though it's free, i'm not interested in giving any information just > to listen. > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: RE: And French romantic on the German Baroque organ > From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 18:36:08 -0400 > >> For as long as I have been around, the age-old guide > for sizing a pipe organ was 3 or 4 complete ranks of > pipes (counting mixtures as 1 rank) per 100 seats in > a hall. So, with that in mind, the hall justifies only > 9 to 12 ranks of pipes. > > I've never heard this before. It sounds skimpy to me as an ideal, = although > these days it might have to do as a feasible minimum. It should at = least > be tailored to denominations and circumstances. Some pack every = possible > square foot with seating, while others are more luxurious. Probably an > Episcopal church seating 300 would be larger than average-- but a Roman > Catholic church seating 300 would be unusually small. I've played in a > gorgeous Gothic-revival Episcopal church 120 feet long and 45 feet from > floor to ceiling, so large on the outside that signs on the grounds = direct > people from the parking lot to the various entrances and sections of the > building. It even has acoustics. But it seats less than 300 (and many > impressive fanes, especially in Britain and Europe, have a similar = ratio). > Fortunately, the organ is about 60 ranks. I'd consider this rather > sumptuous but not too large for the room. > > I've heard a rule of thumb suggesting that the cost of the organ should = be > 10% of the cost of a church building-- although this might not get us = very > far these days, either. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Organ sizing rule of thumb; Was: And French romantic on the > German Baroque organ > From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:57:34 -0400 > > Jeez Louise! Where did THAT rule come from? Did you forget a zero? I > wouldn't have less than 90 ranks in my friggin' living room. > > Respectfully, ;-) > -WG > >> "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> For as long as I have been around, the age-old guide >> for sizing a pipe organ was 3 or 4 complete ranks of >> pipes (counting mixtures as 1 rank) per 100 seats in >> a hall. So, with that in mind, the hall justifies only >> 9 to 12 ranks of pipes. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: St Ann & Holy Trinity; was Romantic beasts in NYC > From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 16:09:02 -0700 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > >>Didn't Virgil record the Reubke on this instrument in the late 1960s (in > addition to his recording at the Hammond Castle)? > > Yes indeed (along with the Pierne 3 Pieces op. 29 and the Bach a minor > Adagio somehow detached from the surrounding C Major Toccata and Fugue). > > The (undated, but 1969-70 or after) liner notes say "A most = comprehensive > restoration of this instrument is now in process, and at the time of = this > recording a new five manual console was commissioned from the Keates = Organ > Co., Acton, Ontario. This console will be the largest installed in the > metropolitan New York area in recent years and will replace the original > four manual. Mr. Tom Farrell, Curator of this and other major = instruments in > the area, including the residence concert organ of Dr. Virgil Fox, is > consulting with Mr. Ernest Nichols, Organist and Mr. Franco Renzulli, > Director of the Choirs during this restoration." > > The notes further mention that previous organists of the church included > Harry Rowe Shelley, Dudley Buck, Louis Robert, and John Huston, and that > Virgil auditioned on this instrument for Bernard Laberge. (Robert was > Virgil's "beloved teacher and friend.") > > MAF > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: RE: And French romantic on the German Baroque organ > From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:11:17 -0400 > > Miriam Duncan once mentioned Marie-Claire Alain's reminiscences about > playing her brother's Trois Danses at Haarlem. She didn't complain = about > the sound at all, but the heaviness of the manual action left her entire > upper body aching for several days afterwords. > She's always been a trooper under adverse conditions. When I first = heard > the name in the early 1960s, it was from an American reviewer of a = recent > American tour who complained about the miserable instruments that she = often > had to contend with. At the Worcester, Mass. regional a couple years = ago, > she played superbly high in a west gallery, on such a hot evening that > everyone in the audience was wilting and clutching water bottles. > > It depends on the organ. David Craighead, I think it was, closed his > recital with Fanck's Grand Piece Symphonique on the large Fisk at House = of > Hope Presbyterian in Minneapolis during the AGO national there. I = thought > that this performance was distinctly unpleasant to listen to, although = the > organ had been eloquent in Buxtehude and Bach. > > On the other hand, the organist of Cologne Cathedral has made a CD on = the > new Klais that includes a good deal of Vierne, and it is very = convincing, > as is the rest of the program. This organ might not be designed as = "German > Baroque", but eclectic, in accord with more cosmopolitan contemporary > tastes. Whatever, it's amazingly effective and versatile considering = its > modest size. (It plays Reger, too, if with a relatively baroque accent. = A > recital there opened my ears to that composer, such that I came out = loving > his music for the first time ever.) German Swiss organists nowadays have = a > keen interest in French music and can play it wonderfully. This wasn't > often the case as little as a generation ago. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: age-old formula for sizing organs by number of seats???! > From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:15:20 EDT > > I cannot imagine any organbuilder considering such an idea. > Where did you read or hear this from an organbuilder? > And how many centuries has this age-old practice been going on? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: a formula for sizing organs relative to number of seats??? > From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:18:38 EDT > > It is always comforting to a voicer to know that the Grand Plein Jeu = VIII-XIV > really counts as only one rank. It makes the job much easier... > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: RE: historic approach > From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:21:32 -0400 > >> But I'm not so sure about "those large French cathedrals." Aren't = most of > them (involved in this consideration) not cathedrals at all? I suppose = one > in Paris, and surely a few more (Rouen, etc.). But surely mostly not? > > No, but the most famous parish churches in Paris, except Couperin's (S. > Germain-des-Pres?) are all HUGE. I've read that S. Sulpice is larger = than > Notre-Dame. Having been in both, I can't be sure whether this is true, > false, or dependent on what one is measuring. They are comparable in = size. > Sacre-Coeur, Trinite, and others are also quite vast. > > Unfortunately, it may be that the organs in many of the actual = cathedrals > in France aren't particularly distinguished. France is centralized > culturally-- go beyond Paris and you're in "the provinces." Even with > Rouen, isn't the most famous organ in S. Ouen, which is not the = cathedral? > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Introducing ORGANLive x-post > From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 19:55:19 EDT > > Hi The site is catchy, but they do have pop ups which mine data, > and they do want to know your info. it won't work without info. > > Ron > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Preservation/Destruction of Organs > From: "Bob Elms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> > Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 09:33:30 -0700 > > TommyLee, it is not the Australian Government which subsidises the > restoration of historic pipe organs. That is done by two of the states - > New South Wales and (I believe) Victoria. Here in Western Australia > there is no financial assistance for the restorations; the church has to > pay for the work to be done. Incidentally the main treasury of unaltered > historic pipe organs seems to be New South Wales, although there are > such in other states. > In Western Australia, there are only a total of about 110 pipe organs > anyway, and few of them have escaped alteration of some sort. The > largely unaltered instruments are by Kirkland, Hill, Monk, and Pease, > plus a number of small organs by J.E.Dodd., and one unique large two > manual by Moser of Munich. > I can't help with North Sydney. It is about 2000 miles east of here!! > Bob Elms. > > TommyLee Whitlock wrote: > >>Australia rejoices in a treasure of organs from the Victorian era for = pretty >>much the same reason. Until recently, there weren't funds to replace = them so >>continued to make do with what they had. When I was last there 2 years = ago, I >>was told that the Australian government had started to subsidize = restoration >>of these gems and recognizes them as jewels of their national heritage. >> >>Any of our friends from down-under care to comment? Bob? Others? >> >>And if there is anyone near North Sydney, could you get me some info and >>comments on the organ at Christ Church Lavender Bay? It's a smallish = but >>charming organ and they weren't really sure _who_ built it, though = Walker was >>the leading contender for the title, and should have been refurbished = last >>year. >> >>Cheers, >>TommyLee >> >>"Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> >> >> >> > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: historic approach > From: "M Fox" <ophicleide16@direcway.com> > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 17:32:16 -0700 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> > >>No, but the most famous parish churches in Paris, except Couperin's (S. > Germain-des-Pres?) are all HUGE. I've read that >S. Sulpice is larger = than > Notre-Dame. Having been in both, I can't be sure whether this is true, > false, or dependent on what >one is measuring. They are comparable in = size. > Sacre-Coeur, Trinite, and others are also quite vast. > > Absolutely true. St. Sulpice at 360' length x 183' width x 108' height = is > about 10% smaller than Notre-Dame's 426' length x 157' width x 115' = height. > (The figures are converted from the metrics of my ancient Guide Bleu and > probably reliable.) And the Couperins' church was St. Gervais. I was > startled to notice a few months ago while lounging around in front of = the > Pompidou Museum, by the way, that even St. Merri, which for centuries = was > bottled up by surrounding streets but now has its north side completely > exposed, is an enormous church by our standards. > >>Unfortunately, it may be that the organs in many of the actual = cathedrals > in France aren't particularly distinguished. France is >centralized > culturally-- go beyond Paris and you're in "the provinces." Even with > Rouen, isn't the most famous organ in S. >Ouen, which is not the = cathedral? > > Certainly St. Ouen is the great organ of Rouen, but the situation there = is > somewhat like St. Sulpice vs. Notre-Dame -- St. Ouen is thoroughly > comparable in size with the cathedral -- and the cathedral's organ isn't = all > that bad on the evidence of a CD I got there. Other cathedrals do have > variously distinguished organs, though many were rebuilt by Gonzalez or > Danion as neo-classiques in that period of our common heritage = (Chartres, > Reims, Soissons, etc. etc.). But there are quite a few untouched > Cavaille-Colls out in the provinces -- many more, I think, than in = Paris. > > But I probably ought to add that a visit to the loft at Notre Dame = provided > me with absolutely convincing evidence (for my ears, anyway) that it = isn't > necessarily a sin to change a Cavaille-Coll. I posted my reactions to = that > extraordinary instrument on another list, but disliking cross-posting, > didn't do it here. I'd be happy to send it to anyone interested in one > person's unexpected conversion to Cochereau's party horns. > > MAF > > MAF > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Bach Registration > From: "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:09:50 -0400 > > Hello Pipe Chatters! > > Yesterday I was sight-reading Bach's Herzlich thut mich verlangen as > edited by Edwin Arthur Kraft and I would like to know what an = appropriate > registration for this piece would be. Thanks! > > > -Nate > > "The Apprentice" > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Chimes > From: <ContraReed@aol.com> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:14:30 EDT > > In a message dated 9/2/03 1:42:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, = rggreene2@shaw.ca > writes: > > << Has anyone on the list run across a really decent set of > bell/chime/carillon samples for MIDI? >> > > In the organ which my congregation (hopes) to have Patrick Murphy = restore > (pending congregational approval), it was decided to go with digital = chimes > to save a couple thousand dollars. We heard one organ with real chimes = and > one with digital, and decided we liked the sound of the digital ones = better. > Initially, that will be the only digital sound on the organ, but others = may be > added at a later time. (We currently have set of real chimes which have become > quite decrepid over the years, -- roughly half of them have cracks so = instead > of a chime tone, you get a 'thunk'). > > Richard > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Bach Registration > From: <quilisma@cox.net> > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:28:27 -0700 > > What Dr. Kraft says, of course (chuckle) ... what is it? Oboe, Vox > Celeste, tremulant? something like that. WORKED on the old Trinity > Cathedral organ (grin). > > The "right" registration is probably something like: > > Positiv: Gedackt 8, (principal 4', if you like), Sesquialtera II, > (Tremulant, if you like) > > or > > Positiv: (8' and/or 4' flute, if you like), Krumhorn 8, (Tremulant, if > you like) > > Accompanied by > > Great 8' Principal (on a GOOD organ) or 8' Rohrfloete + 4' flute, or > whatever balances > > Pedal - Subbass 16', Octave 8' (on a GOOD organ), or something softer > but still clear > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Bigaquarium wrote: >> Hello Pipe Chatters! >> >> Yesterday I was sight-reading Bach's Herzlich thut mich verlangen = as >> edited by Edwin Arthur Kraft and I would like to know what an = appropriate >> registration for this piece would be. Thanks! >> >> >> -Nate >> >> "The Apprentice" >> >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> >> >> > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Bach Registration > From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:31:39 EDT > > In a message dated 9/2/2003 9:24:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, > quilisma@cox.net writes: > >> would like to know what an appropriate >> >registration for this piece would be. Thanks! >> > > for something effective but maybe not correct > > > Gt 4'flute with trem!? > > Sw 8'flute box closed to taste or > Ch Soft Celeste > > Pd soft 16 with swell coupled > > dale waiting for tar and feathers in Florida > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Bach Registration > From: <Gfc234@aol.com> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 21:43:16 EDT > > A nice oboe with a pretty 8' principal is good for the melody. You = could > also use a krummhorn or regal 8' with an 8' flute, you could use a nice = 8' > prinzipal alone, you could use a 16' prinzipal and play an octave = up-nice and > tubby... A more haunting sound could be accomplished with a = sesquialtera > and an 8' > flute. You can use the trem with all of these options. The = accompaniment > should be a nice 8' flute in the manual and 16 and 8' flutes in the = pedal. You > could be naughty and use an Albert Schweitzer registration and play = legato. > hehehe > > Gregory Ceurvorst > M.M. Organ Performance > Northwestern University > Director of Music and Organist > St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL > 847.332.2788 home > 708.243.2549 mobile > gfc234@aol.com > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Introducing ORGANLive x-post > From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:09:07 EDT > > In a message dated 9/2/03 4:56:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > RonSeverin@aol.com writes: > > << Hi The site is catchy, but they do have pop ups which mine data, > and they do want to know your info. it won't work without info. >> > > i have a pop-up killer so i'm not annoyed by those anymore. if they = want my > info, then i'll simply not use that site. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Chimes > From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 18:03:37 -0700 > > Harvey, > > I'm not sure my email this morning went through -- my ISP has been = sluggish > due to the viruses running amok. > > I sent a 12k picture of the kind of chimes I was talking about needing = -- > and wondering if these are the kind you have in your garage, or if what = you > have will work instead. > > Thanks, > Eric > > > On 9/1/03 10:00 PM, harv8 said something about: > >> I have 2 sets in my garage--free for the taking >> Harvey-Los Angeles >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net> >> To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 7:17 PM >> Subject: RE: Chimes >> >> >>> Eric, one suggestion: try contacting the local university (if you're = close >> to >>> one) to see if they'd loan out their chime rack, maybe with a player. >> Also, >>> perhaps a larger local church, maybe? >>> --Sam >>> Sam Vause, Chandler, AZ >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of >>> Eric McKirdy >>> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:19 PM >>> To: PipeChat >>> Subject: Re: Chimes >>> >>> I have a Yamaha keyboard with an okay Bell sound, but I'd really like = the >>> real deal if possible. Not only for the sound, but also for the = ambience >> and >>> authenticity. ... >>> >>> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >>> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >>> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >>> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >>> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" >> PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics >> HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org >> List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org >> Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Jazz on the "classic" pipe organ > From: <Swedish5702@aol.com> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 22:25:44 EDT > > Hi Gang: > > You should have been in Trinity Church in Boston when the late George = Faxon > played "The Duke" on that OLE so romantic Skinner in the gallery. > > Thank You George! > > Best, > Craig > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Question about Andrew Carnegie/organ > From: "Stephen Best" <sbest@borg.com> > Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2003 22:39:35 -0400 > > Hi everyone, > > I've been asked about a specific organ financed in part by Andrew > Carnegie sometime between 1901 and 1909. The instrument was built for > St. Paul's Lutheran Church, Utica, NY, at a total cost of $2100. > Carnegie gave $1000. Anyone have access to Carnegie historic > records? If I can at least find the specific date the organ was built, > I will be able to answer a parishioner's question. > > Steve Best in Utica, NY > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: parts > From: "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com> > Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:08:14 -0700 > > Anyone want 3 keyboards--ivory covered from a 1925 > AEolian console along with pnuematic relays? > Harvey > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Chimes > From: "harv8" <harv8@email.msn.com> > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 20:11:37 -0700 > > Sorry > I didn't get the pix. Also I didn't read thoroughly about the chimes = you > wanted. Unfortunately, these are tubular chimes that everyone is = thumbing > their nose at and had electric action striking them. I always thought = they > were quite nice and a lot of churches had these hung separate from the > organ. I have seen and heard the orchestral tubular chimes and there = are > differences, of course, but these still are very musical and rich in > harmonics. IF you are still interested you call me at 818 980 7249 > Harvey > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> > To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 6:03 PM > Subject: Re: Chimes > > >> Harvey, >> >> I'm not sure my email this morning went through -- my ISP has been > sluggish >> due to the viruses running amok. >> >> I sent a 12k picture of the kind of chimes I was talking about needing = -- >> and wondering if these are the kind you have in your garage, or if what > you >> have will work instead. >> >> Thanks, >> Eric >> >> >> On 9/1/03 10:00 PM, harv8 said something about: >> >> > I have 2 sets in my garage--free for the taking >> > Harvey-Los Angeles >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Sam Vause" <vause@cox.net> >> > To: "'PipeChat'" <pipechat@pipechat.org> >> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 7:17 PM >> > Subject: RE: Chimes >> > >> > >> >> Eric, one suggestion: try contacting the local university (if you're > close >> > to >> >> one) to see if they'd loan out their chime rack, maybe with a = player. >> > Also, >> >> perhaps a larger local church, maybe? >> >> --Sam >> >> Sam Vause, Chandler, AZ >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf = Of >> >> Eric McKirdy >> >> Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:19 PM >> >> To: PipeChat >> >> Subject: Re: Chimes >> >> >> >> I have a Yamaha keyboard with an okay Bell sound, but I'd really = like > the >> >> real deal if possible. 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