PipeChat Digest #3938 - Friday, September 5, 2003
 
cat's fugue
  by "james nerstheimer" <enigma1685@hotmail.com>
Re: Poor thing
  by "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net>
RE: Weekly Tunings
  by "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca>
Re: the ideal church job
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: History of church music
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3937 - 09/05/03
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: Weekly Tunings
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Weekly Tunings
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Weekly Tunings
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Weekly Tunings
  by <OrganMD@aol.com>
Re: 2 manual drawknob console
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: History
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
RE: Weekly Tunings
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
RE: History
  by "Lefevre Vincent" <vincent.lefevre@tiscali.be>
RE: Weekly Tunings
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Weekly Tunings
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: Weekly Tunings
  by "Shelley Culver" <culverse@westminster.edu>
Re: Weekly Tunings
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Michael Murray at St. Bavo's
  by "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca>
Re: Michael Murray at St. Bavo's
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
RE: Michael Murray at St. Bavo's
  by "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu>
 

(back) Subject: cat's fugue From: "james nerstheimer" <enigma1685@hotmail.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 04:04:47 -0500   > Another day another tuning. Posaune Low E #5 wasn't speaking this >morn... Giant moth wedged in echalote... What a way to go... I've = heard >stories about bats and pigeons, can anyone top those? (C:     Yeah, I think I got one. In '90 I had a summer job as a tuner's helper = with Berghaus. Fred Beale and I went up to Benton Harbour, MI to investigate some tuning problems in a Schlicker there. At first Fred thought it a problem with sagging wind had recurred. 'Twas strange though how some = ranks were totally out and others totally in tune on the same chest. Then he surmised that the organist may have had some students inside who hadn't = been briefed on the evils of handling the pipes. Whilst in another part of the =   instrument he found the culprit--or rather the culprit's tracks. He bade = me come in and take a look and there in the dust atop a swell engine were = some rather familliar imprints--feline of course.   jim   O):^D   _________________________________________________________________ Try MSN Messenger 6.0 with integrated webcam functionality! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_webcam    
(back) Subject: Re: Poor thing From: "Bigaquarium" <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:31:04 -0400   Morning all,   I forgot to add something last night, is there a nasty reaction that takes place between brass and copper? Some of the Casavant pipes had = brass shallots and copper reeds - the shallots were very corroded inside...   I'll have to try the shallot removal trick - the pedal reed note that always goes out every time is the one right next to the painted brick = wall, the wood wedge is getting tired. When the choir was restored for water damage brass wedges were used.   Well, it's off to the Moller in a bit, have a good day/night.   = -Nate   "The apprentice"      
(back) Subject: RE: Weekly Tunings From: "Andrew Mead" <mead@eagle.ca> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:06:48 -0400   There's a 5m. in Toronto that receives a reed tuning every 2nd Friday afternoon. It's a Casavant. I do a reed tuning on 4m. in Toronto every 3rd Saturday night (what a life = I have!). It's also a Casavant....hey, wait a minute. Is there a pattern developing? Do Casavant reeds tend to wander off tune more so than other builders reeds? This is an honest question as I have almost no experience with anything else. I take care of a Wicks organ with an 8' Trumpet and = I'm very impressed with how stable the tuning of it is. AjM   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of Bigaquarium Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 10:18 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Weekly Tunings   Hi Chatters,   What kind of organ needs weekly tuning? 4m organ w/ thimble sized reservoirs, holes in the roof, a/c and heat alternating on and off, organ chambers serving as a main corridor of some type for folks to brush the slides about, Casavant reeds (ahem), electric swell motors that keep the boxes shut when the organ is off, and a home to insects and small rodents?     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: the ideal church job From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 04:04:37 -0700   They cut my salary, increased my hours, and instituted a steep schedule of monetary fines if I missed a service or rehearsal on account of illness. I resigned; I think the law calls what they did "creative dismissal" (chuckle). Oh, and they refused to continue to pay for my heart medications. I had to resign so I could get welfare and Medi-Cal, and get my meds.   Cheers,   Bud   ameagher@stny.rr.com wrote: > They fired you? I thought you said you quit? Either way, you shouldn't > have any problem finding another church job in San Diego. > > P.S. I'll bet the vestry is responsible for the choir turning on you. > They probably told the choir lies about you in order to turn them = against > you. > > Andrew Meagher > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: quilisma@cox.net > Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2003 16:17:56 -0700 > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: the ideal church job > > > I blush to confess that I HAD virtually all the things on the list when > I was at St. Matthew's, BUT ... > > I also had the bipolar rector from hell, a choir I DEARLY loved that > TURNED on me in 24 hours flat (and as far as I could tell, NOTHING > happened ... they were OFF for the summer ... I hadn't SEEN them for a > MONTH), and a vestry that was kissing up to me and assuring me that I'd > be taken care of, right up until the day they fired me. > > They took care of me, all right: > > "Remove your stuff, turn in your keys within 24 hours, vacate the > apartment by the first of the month." > > Better a crust of bread and a loving family in San Diego, I ASSURE = you!!! > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: History of church music From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 04:23:16 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Hey! I'm counting them with my fingers. What do you see?   :))))     Told yu my mafemateks ain't good.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk writes: > > > You could try the following three sites for > > reference:- > > um, isn't that just two?     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3937 - 09/05/03 From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:08:54 EDT   In a message dated 9/5/2003 5:02:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, pipechat@pipechat.org writes:     > Hi Keith: > > Take the motor to an electric motor technician who does this kind of > work all the time. Reason: If the motor over heats, and your insurance > finds out you did the work, and there's a fire, your policy is > null and void. Electicity and motors is nothing to mess with. Either > way there are costs. Do the safe thing, let the expert do it. > > Ron Severin >   I have done exactly that. The motor was professionally serviced. New bearings were installed; it was cleaned, dipped, and painted, and new = leads were installed. I'm painting the actual blower housing. My question relates = to putting the blower housing back together. I still have the seals that = were on the housing where the shaft enters, but they're nasty. They need to be = replaced.   Thanks, Keith    
(back) Subject: Re: Weekly Tunings From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:58:25 EDT   Several sweeping statements were made about organs that are tuned weekly, = and list members may have been left only with negative impressions. Many institutions that take pride in their pipe organs still request monthly or weekly tunings. Pipe organs in the 80-200 rank range are tuned =   cyclically, and in music programs that involve a great many programs and = practice time, organ curatorship is taken seriously. If five or eight thousand pipes require periodic attention, this is = not an indication of poor quality. There are plenty of analogies in our daily = lives that easily disassemble that theory. Many organbuilders would rather have = a heating and cooling system that turned on and off in response to sensors = than deal with constantly plunging or escalating termperatures because = negligence provided for no thermostat. Organs as public corridors? I'm trying to envision that. Electric shutter engines are often programmable as to where their "off =   default" position is. Ask your organ curator to discuss settings with the manufacturer; organ industry suppliers are always eager to assist their = clients. Stay on the premises when your tuner and/or curator is tending to the organ; see what is done, how long it takes, and the conditions under which = they must work. It will not only help you understand what is required, but it = will also let you know if you are getting your money's worth, and whether the = church is doing ITS job in terms of providing time, conditions, access, and funds =   for the curator to do their work. If the heat is never on, the bathroom = off limits, and the checks never arrive, are you really expecting somebody who = drove two hours to get there to be eager to give you their best effort? The better care your instrument receives, the more you will enjoy your =   livelihood as a musician, whichever denomination you serve.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: Weekly Tunings From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:07:26 EDT   Several sweeping statements were made about organs that are tuned weekly, = and list members may have been left only with negative impressions. Many institutions that take pride in their pipe organs still request monthly or weekly tunings. Pipe organs in the 80-200 rank range are tuned =   cyclically, and in music programs that involve a great many programs and = practice time, organ curatorship is taken seriously. If five or eight thousand pipes require periodic attention, this is = not an indication of poor quality. There are plenty of analogies in our daily = lives that easily disassemble that theory. Many organbuilders would rather have = a heating and cooling system that turned on and off in response to sensors = than deal with constantly plunging or escalating termperatures because = negligence provided for no thermostat. Organs as public corridors? I'm trying to envision that. Electric shutter engines are often programmable as to where their "off =   default" position is. Ask your organ curator to discuss settings with the manufacturer; organ industry suppliers are always eager to assist their = clients. Stay on the premises when your tuner and/or curator is tending to the organ; see what is done, how long it takes, and the conditions under which = they must work. It will not only help you understand what is required, but it = will also let you know if you are getting your money's worth, and whether the = church is doing ITS job in terms of providing time, conditions, access, and funds =   for the curator to do their work. If the heat is never on, the bathroom = off limits, and the checks never arrive, are you really expecting somebody who = drove two hours to get there to be eager to give you their best effort? The better care your instrument receives, the more you will enjoy your =   livelihood as a musician, whichever denomination you serve.   Sebastian M. Gluck New York City  
(back) Subject: Re: Weekly Tunings From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:55:58 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   In the UK, where our largest instrument has a mere 10,000 pipes, I suppose we make do with periodic tuning rather than weekly ones.   However, I do know that the organ at York Minster requires fairly constant attention; certainly in excess of the norm.   It struck me however, that some of the really big organs in the USA would require a full week's residence for a pipe by pipe tuning; so I guess that frequent tuning visits represent the cheaper option.   I'm very fortunate that I play an organ which just doesn't move. We could safely leave it two years and it would still sound more or less in tune.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- TubaMagna@aol.com wrote: > Several sweeping statements were made about organs > that are tuned weekly   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Weekly Tunings From: <OrganMD@aol.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:16:57 EDT   Hi All ........   There are instruments in the USA that have full-time organ curators as a staff position. The Crystal Cathedral in California, the Tabernacle in = Salt Lake City, the Cadet Chapel at West Point, just to mention a few. These = positions do not represent bad organs, rather they represent the fact that as they = are in very visible and regular public use their owners and organists demand a =   perhaps higher level of performance from their instruments than others = might. Also with these very large instruments it is sometimes easier to keep up = on things than to have to start over from scratch. (It takes about 3 weeks = to do a full tuning in the Salt Lake Tabernacle working 10 hour days.)   Bill Hesterman    
(back) Subject: Re: 2 manual drawknob console From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:52:44 -0400   Keep on the lookout, via eBay, classifieds, Google, etc., for an Allen = ADC-3100. Call your local digital dealers to see if they have one. They = were made, starting in 1985, in a nice compact 2M drawknob AGO console = with a rolltop and a 2-memory capture system. If you find one, let me = know, and I'll fix you up with technical info on the innards. That would = probably run you a few thousand, though. If you want something cheap or = free, you are much more likely to find one with stoptabs rather than drawknobs.   -WG     > "Anthony Nichols" <sifflote1@yahoo.com> > > Hello, > > I'm looking for a small 2 manual drawknob organ console, pipe or = electronic, that someone would be willing to let go for a small price (or = free). I need the console to be AGO standard with 61 notes in the manuals = and 32 notes in the pedal. The console must be able to fit through a = standard size door that is 3' wide. I am trying to put together a practice = instrument using Musicom components. I would be willing to drive a few = hours to pick it up. I live 10 minutes from Asheville, NC. > > Thanks, > > Anthony Nichols    
(back) Subject: Re: History From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:36:14 -0500   Hi, Alan:   I was a student in the mid-1950s. However, if you want to read the history of church music, that should bring you up to data, ...as of about 1950. Much of what has transpired since then my be classified as contemporary happenings; ....not to pick on contemporary music styles, but current events in the on-going saga of church music history.   F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs     ..     > On 9/4/03 7:33 AM, "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> wrote: > > > "The Gospel in Hymns" by Bailey. > > A classic, by all means. But is it at all up to date? > (When WAS that thing written?) > > Alan    
(back) Subject: RE: Weekly Tunings From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 12:43:56 -0400   >There are instruments in the USA that have full-time organ curators as = a staff position. =20   When I played a recital at Grace Cathedral, San Francisco, in 1981, I = met their Mr. Stout, who came in every Saturday evening (at least) to = maintain the organ. I have heard that he is an extraordinarily = knowledgeable and conscientious technician who loved the organ and took = care of it for years. He certainly would not tune the entire organ = every week, which as others have noted would not be good for the pipes = even if it were possible, but would attend to whatever needed touching = up, as well as any mechanical problems or bugs (did you know that the = term "bug" in the computer world originated with a literal bug, a moth = that interfered with the hardware of an early machine? Grace Hopper, = the inventor of COBOL, had it framed for her office wall, where it was = on display for years). =20   When I visited Liverpool Cathedral one July morning some five years ago, = the organ was being tuned, including the 32' stops, in preparation for a = noon-hour recital. Anyone would think that there a dozen of them, they = kept at it so long. It was quite interesting to hear, actually.      
(back) Subject: RE: History From: "Lefevre Vincent" <vincent.lefevre@tiscali.be> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 20:23:21 +0200   I take this opportunity to let you know a very interesting website of the spanish organiste Pilar Cabrera, playing on the romantic pipe organ of the Cathedral in Bruges (Belgium). You can hear her concert and download the music if you want www.pilarcabrera.com/concerts/bruges/   I hope you enjoy it Vincent Lefevre   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of F Richard Burt Sent: vrijdag 5 september 2003 17:36 To: PipeChat   Hi, Alan:   I was a student in the mid-1950s. However, if you want to read the history of church music, that should bring you up to data, ...as of about 1950. Much of what has transpired since then my be classified as contemporary happenings; ....not to pick on contemporary music styles, but current events in the on-going saga of church music history.   F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs     ..     > On 9/4/03 7:33 AM, "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> wrote: > > > "The Gospel in Hymns" by Bailey. > > A classic, by all means. But is it at all up to date? > (When WAS that thing written?) > > Alan   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org      
(back) Subject: RE: Weekly Tunings From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:07:02 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Would that have been Ed Stout, the man who made the Castro Wurlitzer sound so good?   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> wrote:   > When I played a recital at Grace Cathedral, San > Francisco, in 1981, I met their Mr. Stout, who came > in every Saturday evening (at least) to maintain the > organ   __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Weekly Tunings From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 14:47:34 -0400   Hi,   I was told many years ago that in Holland the resident organist, tuned the =   reeds by himself, usually on Saturday night, when he/she prepared for Sunday services. You have to keep in mind that most of these organs would =   be quite small, less than 20 stops, and would have maybe 2 or 3 reed stops. My guess is that they would only touch the notes that were way off. It seemed to be part of the job description. Mind you for the most part, these organists would have been a life-long part of the parish, be baptised there, have their membership there etc. I don't know what the situation there is now, but that is the way it was some 30 odd years ago.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: Weekly Tunings From: "Shelley Culver" <culverse@westminster.edu> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:16:28 -0400   When I was staying in Cappel, Germany this summer, we tuned the reeds (especially the pedal reeds) three or four times over a 2 week period. They were so out of tune when we got there, and were pretty unstable. However, they are generally not tuned as frequesntly as ever week, at least to my knowledge.   Shelley   >>> ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com 09/05/03 2:47 PM >>> Hi,   I was told many years ago that in Holland the resident organist, tuned the reeds by himself, usually on Saturday night, when he/she prepared for Sunday services. You have to keep in mind that most of these organs would be quite small, less than 20 stops, and would have maybe 2 or 3 reed stops. My guess is that they would only touch the notes that were way off. It seemed to be part of the job description. Mind you for the most part, these organists would have been a life-long part of the parish, be   baptised there, have their membership there etc. I don't know what the situation there is now, but that is the way it was some 30 odd years ago.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: Weekly Tunings From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 15:44:08 -0400   At 03:16 PM 2003-09-05 -0400, you wrote: >When I was staying in Cappel, Germany this summer, we tuned the reeds >(especially the pedal reeds) three or four times over a 2 week period. >They were so out of tune when we got there, and were pretty unstable. >However, they are generally not tuned as frequesntly as ever week, at >least to my knowledge. > >Shelley   Shelly,   Is this the organ that Walcha recorded on? I think it is a Silberman, possibly a Schnitger organ.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Michael Murray at St. Bavo's From: "Bob Conway" <conwayb@sympatico.ca> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 16:06:05 -0400   I am listening to Bach's "Dorian" Toccata and Fugue on Organ Live. This = is a superb performance of one of my favourite Bach pieces.   Michael Murray plays it just as I like to hear it, and if there ever was a =   case of running out to buy the CD, this is it! Except that I no longer am =   able to run out as often as I would like, so I shall have to order it = on-line.   Can anyone supply me with the CD Label and Number?   I think that our thanks have to go to Brent for getting Organ Live to us, = - I hope that others will agree.   Bob Conway    
(back) Subject: Re: Michael Murray at St. Bavo's From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 16:16:04 -0400   At 04:06 PM 2003-09-05 -0400, you wrote: >I am listening to Bach's "Dorian" Toccata and Fugue on Organ Live. This >is a superb performance of one of my favourite Bach pieces. > >Michael Murray plays it just as I like to hear it, and if there ever was = a >case of running out to buy the CD, this is it! Except that I no longer = am >able to run out as often as I would like, so I shall have to order it = on-line. > >Can anyone supply me with the CD Label and Number? > >I think that our thanks have to go to Brent for getting Organ Live to us, =   >- I hope that others will agree. > >Bob Conway   Bob,   I think M. Murray recordings are on the Telarc label. Beyond that I = cannot be of help.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: RE: Michael Murray at St. Bavo's From: "Storandt, Peter" <pstorandt@okcu.edu> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:18:08 -0500   Bob,   You can key in the name of the performer on the Amazon.com site and see if the CD you are listening to is available there.   Peter   -----Original Message----- From: Arie Vandenberg [mailto:ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com]=20 Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 3:16 PM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: Michael Murray at St. Bavo's   At 04:06 PM 2003-09-05 -0400, you wrote: >I am listening to Bach's "Dorian" Toccata and Fugue on Organ Live. This=20 >is a superb performance of one of my favourite Bach pieces. > >Michael Murray plays it just as I like to hear it, and if there ever was a=20 >case of running out to buy the CD, this is it! Except that I no longer am=20 >able to run out as often as I would like, so I shall have to order it on-line. > >Can anyone supply me with the CD Label and Number? > >I think that our thanks have to go to Brent for getting Organ Live to us,=20 >- I hope that others will agree. > >Bob Conway   Bob,   I think M. Murray recordings are on the Telarc label. Beyond that I cannot=20 be of help.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263=20     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org