PipeChat Digest #3946 - Tuesday, September 9, 2003
 
RE: What is mean tempered tuning?
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agunther@cantv.net>
Re: Bach underground
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
NYC broadcast tonight at 7 very xposted
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Bach before the mast
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Definition of "organ"
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: NYC broadcast tonight at 7 very xposted
  by "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@comcast.net>
Re: NYC broadcast tonight at 7 very xposted
  by <OrganNYC@aol.com>
Re: NYC broadcast tonight at 7 very xposted
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: NYC broadcast tonight at 7 very xposted
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: NYC broadcast tonight at 7 very xposted
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Atlantic City Books on Sale
  by "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org>
Tubulars in S. New England
  by "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com>
IRC tonight
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Definition of "organ"
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
RE: Pipe Organs afloat
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Iberian chamades and NYC Gluck
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Definition of organ
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
RE: Pipe Organs afloat
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: RE: What is mean tempered tuning? From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agunther@cantv.net> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 15:24:28 -0400   Andres Gunther agunther@cantv.net   Ron Severin wrote on Pipechat:   > Sounds like the wrong organist for the organ. Bach and Buxtehude only knew instruments with quarter comma meantone. If you play a lot of music from that era, you'll be fine. If he plays a lot of 19th and 20th century music in far distant keys he won't like it. Sounds like a square peg in a round hole.   Good description! Try to play the third movement of Widor's 5th symphony = in Meantone <G>... Other cause for this problem could be that our 21st cty ears are used to modern temperament (mostly equal). There was thread about this 2 weeks ago in this list. Meantone sounds odd for most of us, even when we play the "right music" for it. I just realized an experiment with historic tunings (with which I am all but familiar in practice I confess). More of this = soon in the List.   > Martin Pasi is now putting the finishing touches on His Opus XIV an organ for St. Cecilia Cathedral Omaha, Nebraska.   www.pasiorgans.com - click on opus 14. Terrific!   Cheers Andres (Back after some technical trouble. Please note my second adress; my other telcel adress is valid too). =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach underground From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 12:41:51 -0700   Cincinnati's "Pork-Barrel-And-Graft" subway system, which was never finished or made operational, has a huge station under Fountain Square downtown, which in fact HAS been used for a recording studio on occasion. Mostly the abandoned underground stations are used for (very expensive) warehouses by the City.   But there is one success story: the E.M. Skinner in the former main TRAIN station, which has cathedralesque acoustics, to put it MILDLY ... though that IS *above* ground (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   Alan Freed wrote: > On 9/8/03 2:15 PM, "David Evangelides" <davide@theatreorgans.com> wrote: > > >>This sounds great. In fact, if Virgil Fox were alive today, he might >>start a concert tour called 'Bach Underground' or 'The Underground = Bach'. >> > > An interesting logistical consideration is how to get the beast DOWN = there. > Even if were only the Allen Renaissance now in use at St. John the = Divine, I > don't think there's a way to do it except to use a forklift to load it = onto > a rail car (one of their "work" trains") at the car-yards and then bring = it > in horizontally rather than vertically. Would not be difficult at all; = the > flatcar, stopped on the express track, would serve as a stage. Imagine > playing it while traveling through the tunnels? Fun! > > At LEAST somebody should bring in that Dutch fairground organ! > > Alan > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: NYC broadcast tonight at 7 very xposted From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:50:50 -0400   Temporary (?) digital at Trinity, Wall Street.   Tonight at 7, on WQXR, 96.3 mc, if you're near NYC.   Enjoy.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach before the mast From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:04:03 -0400   I don't mean to start another war, but strictly, practically, and = artistically speaking, your definition is wrong.   -WG       > "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote: > > Calliopes are not strictly speaking > organs since they do not use wind -- pipe organs, reed organs, chord > organs, etc., use wind and are therefore properly called organs.) > > John Speller    
(back) Subject: Definition of "organ" From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:22:53 -0400   On 9/8/03 5:04 PM, "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> wrote:   > I don't mean to start another war, but strictly, practically, and = artistically > speaking, your definition is wrong. > > -WG   Well, this will be interesting (I hope). I'm totally neutral, Walter, but = I think you owe us an alternative definition, or at last a proposal of one. I'm wide open to it. (Quite seriously.)   Alan      
(back) Subject: Re: NYC broadcast tonight at 7 very xposted From: "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 14:37:06 -0700   I don't see it listed on the WQXR website.   Blaine Ricketts     Alan Freed wrote:   > Temporary (?) digital at Trinity, Wall Street. > > Tonight at 7, on WQXR, 96.3 mc, if you're near NYC. > > Enjoy. > > Alan      
(back) Subject: Re: NYC broadcast tonight at 7 very xposted From: <OrganNYC@aol.com> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 17:40:17 EDT   The concert and broadcast are on THURSDAY, September 11, at 7:00 pm.   In a message dated 9/8/2003 5:38:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, blainericketts@comcast.net writes:   > I don't see it listed on the WQXR website. > > Blaine Ricketts > > > Alan Freed wrote: > > >Temporary (?) digital at Trinity, Wall Street. > > > >Tonight at 7, on WQXR, 96.3 mc, if you're near NYC. > > > >Enjoy. > > > >Alan >      
(back) Subject: Re: NYC broadcast tonight at 7 very xposted From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:53:21 -0400   On 9/8/03 5:37 PM, "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@comcast.net> wrote:   > I don't see it listed on the WQXR website. > > Blaine Ricketts > It may be too new. I heard it on the radio abut mid-day today. No promises. But I'll give it a try. (Do I have the right STATION? I'm talking about the New York Times Classical station.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: NYC broadcast tonight at 7 very xposted From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 17:59:21 -0400   On 9/8/03 5:40 PM, "OrganNYC@aol.com" <OrganNYC@aol.com> wrote:   > The concert and broadcast are on THURSDAY, September 11, at 7:00 pm. >=20 > In a message dated 9/8/2003 5:38:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > blainericketts@comcast.net writes: >=20 >=20 Oh, for heaven=B9s sakes. I=B9ll bet that=B9s MY mistake, then. No question about it. =20   Vast apologies to those inconvenienced. I=B9d better shut up.   Thank you, Steve. I feel like a butt. But I=B9m sure glad you straightened THAT out!   Everybody else, take note of the CORRECT information from Steve Lawson. (And hope he submits a review????)   Alan        
(back) Subject: Re: NYC broadcast tonight at 7 very xposted From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 18:29:05 -0400   On 9/8/03 5:53 PM, "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> wrote:   > On 9/8/03 5:37 PM, "Blaine Ricketts" <blainericketts@comcast.net> wrote: > >> I don't see it listed on the WQXR website. >> >> Blaine Ricketts >> > It may be too new. I heard it on the radio abut mid-day today. No > promises. But I'll give it a try. (Do I have the right STATION? I'm > talking about the New York Times Classical station.) > > Alan   What an embarrassment. I must have been half asleep. It's THURSDAY at 7. Unfortunately, my own parish has ITS service at the same time--as do many, I'm sure.   I'll be very glad to have non-NYCers join us by radio or any other way = that evening. It's not a small event for us. Thank you. Quite a bit.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Atlantic City Books on Sale From: "William T. Van Pelt" <bill@organsociety.org> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 18:52:39 -0400   A few more items have been added to the OHS Inventory Reduction Sale at http://www.ohscatalog.org including the two hefty, hardbound books about = the Atlantic City organ as recently published by the Atlantic City Convention Hall Organ Society for $45 and $46 each, now $25 each. Several CDs have = been added, as well.   Bill      
(back) Subject: Tubulars in S. New England From: "Judy A. Ollikkala" <71431.2534@compuserve.com> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 19:12:29 -0400   Yes there are. At least I know of one in Fitchburg MA (1926 Casavant restored tubular) and one in Worcester MA (1913 Estey). I'm sure there = are others, email me privately for more info. Judy Ollikkala  
(back) Subject: IRC tonight From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 16:51:57 -0700   9 p.m., US Eastern Daylight Time.   Directions:   http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html   HOPE TO SEE SOME NEW FACES!   (I could USE one) (chuckle)   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: Re: Definition of "organ" From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 19:49:37 -0400           > On 9/8/03 5:04 PM, "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> wrote: > > > I don't mean to start another war, but strictly, practically, and = artistically > > speaking, your definition is wrong. > > > > -WG   Alan Freed then wrote:   > Well, this will be interesting (I hope). I'm totally neutral, Walter, = but I > think you owe us an alternative definition, or at last a proposal of = one. > I'm wide open to it. (Quite seriously.) > > Alan >   Hi Alan and Group, With all due respect and in my own humble opinion, I suggest that = Walter has given us that alternative definition, albeit somewhat cryptically. Wind is = wind, whether generated by a hand pumped bellows, a blower, a steam pressure = system, a mechanical air compression system, compressed gas from an air tank, or any = other contrivance that causes the movement of air through plumbing systems as = consequence to pressure differentials. Should the statement above be accepted, then it is impossible to = define a calliope as anything but an organ provided we all agree an organ is an = instrument that generates sound by moving air through tubes that cause the air = columns to vibrate. Steam is air combined with water vapor at a high temperature, but = it is still wind. Mike    
(back) Subject: RE: Pipe Organs afloat From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 00:56:24 -0400   Wow Bob,     I would think that would be imposibel to keep intune while the yacht is on=   the water!   Andrew Original Message: ----------------- From: bnorth bnorth@intergate=2Eca Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 22:32:20 -0700 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Pipe Organs afloat     I know this subject came up some time ago, and was surprised as I read a yachting magazine tonight=2E I came across a pipe organ on board a yacht! = The magazine is "Yachts International", September 2003 edition=2E The yacht is= a 124 foot sloop (sail boat) named the "Antonisa", was designed by noted naval architect Bruce King, and built in 1999 by HodgdonYachts of East Boothbay, Maine=2E The organ looks like a tracker, one manual and possibl= y pedal=2E There are four sets of pipes, silver in color, at the front of th= e attached case=2E There appears to be four draw knobs on each side of the keyboard=2E No information is given about the organ, just about the yacht=   and the builder=2E If any of our list mates live near the ship yard, maybe= we could get some more information about the yacht and its interesting pipe organ=2E Regards=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2EBob     -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: Re: Iberian chamades and NYC Gluck From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 01:12:36 -0400   Good luck to your friend Alan=2E I hope she finds a good job=2E That is = very nice of you to help her get a job=2E Most people wouldn't do that for someone=2E Another interesting thing to find out is what the pastor is getting paid=2E It is obiously a red flag if they claim they can't pay th= e organist more than $6,000 but are at the same time paying the pator $60,000=2E=2Elol Best of luck=2E   Andrew   Original Message: ----------------- Wrom: SHJEXXIMQZUIVOTQNQEMSFDULHPQQWOYIYZU Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 10:44:18 -0400 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Re: Iberian chamades and NYC Gluck     On 9/7/03 10:47 PM, "ameagher@stny=2Err=2Ecom" <ameagher@stny=2Err=2Ecom> = wrote:   > Alan, >=20 > I saw that job posted on the AGO site and the pay is pitiful=2E   Andrew, your post received with gratitude=2E I certainly do not disagree = with a word in it=2E By now the potential applicant has doubtless read it, too= =2E She's a thoroughly professional person, and will understand all that is being said=2E I've met the pastor of the parish in question (though I don= 't KNOW her; her husband--pastor in a different parish--is more known by me);= I may just give her a call and pick her head a little bit=2E   Alan   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: Re: Definition of organ From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 01:30:53 -0400   Man y organist I know say: "if it doesn't have pipes, it's not an organ" thought I bet Rodgers would disagree with that=2E=2Elol   Original Message: ----------------- Wrom: TWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRE Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 19:49:37 -0400 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Re: Definition of "organ"             > On 9/8/03 5:04 PM, "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom=2Enet> wrote: > > > I don't mean to start another war, but strictly, practically, and artistically > > speaking, your definition is wrong=2E > > > > -WG   Alan Freed then wrote:   > Well, this will be interesting (I hope)=2E I'm totally neutral, Walter,=   but I > think you owe us an alternative definition, or at last a proposal of one= =2E > I'm wide open to it=2E (Quite seriously=2E) > > Alan >   Hi Alan and Group, With all due respect and in my own humble opinion, I suggest that Walter has given us that alternative definition, albeit somewhat cryptically=2E Wind = is wind, whether generated by a hand pumped bellows, a blower, a steam pressure system, a mechanical air compression system, compressed gas from an air tank, or any=   other contrivance that causes the movement of air through plumbing systems as consequence to pressure differentials=2E Should the statement above be accepted, then it is impossible to defin= e a calliope as anything but an organ provided we all agree an organ is an instrument that generates sound by moving air through tubes that cause the air column= s to vibrate=2E Steam is air combined with water vapor at a high temperature, b= ut it is still wind=2E Mike   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: RE: Pipe Organs afloat From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 00:58:30 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   No it wouldn't!   Various locking devices were used on touring pipe organs to prevent tuning slides and reed springs from moving.   The same things are applied to band organs which moved from venue to venue.....some still do.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> wrote: > > I would think that would be impossible to keep intune > while the yacht is on > the water!     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com