PipeChat Digest #3947 - Tuesday, September 9, 2003
 
RE: Pipe Organs afloat
  by "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es>
RE: Definition of organ
  by "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com>
Re: Bach before the mast
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
durufle mass
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Dictionary definitions
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: durufle mass
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: durufle mass
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
RE: durufle mass
  by "Mark & Cinda Towne" <mstowne@concentric.net>
Re: durufle mass
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: durufle mass
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Durufle
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: Iberian chamades and NYC Gluck
  by "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu>
Re: Bach before the mast
  by "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com>
Re: Definition of organ
  by "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com>
Re: Iberian chamades and NYC Gluck
  by "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com>
RE: Pipe Organs afloat
  by "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com>
Re: Definition of "organ"
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Iberian chamades and NYC Gluck
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Re: Pilar Cabrera
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
Church Church, NYC
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
RE: Pipe Organs afloat
  by "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es>
Re: Pilar Cabrera
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Organ definitions
  by "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agunther@cantv.net>
Re: Dictionary definitions
  by "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net>
Re: Dictionary definitions
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
 

(back) Subject: RE: Pipe Organs afloat From: "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:20:26 +0200   We have a pipe organ mounted on a truck in our catalogue. It was built by Hoffmann for the Thuringer Orgelsommer, an annual organ music festival in Germany.   Visit our site (www.intorg.org) and do a search for Hoffman - there's even a photo.   As far as I know this is the world's only truck-mounted pipe organ (unless you include carousel organs, but all the ones I've seen have been on trailers).   Peter Rodwell International Organ Foundation Madrid, Spain.    
(back) Subject: RE: Definition of organ From: "Mari" <mreive@tampabay.rr.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 07:00:31 -0400   So what. Let Rodgers sulk. Mari St Petersburg   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of ameagher@stny.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 1:31 AM To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Definition of organ     Man y organist I know say: "if it doesn't have pipes, it's not an organ" thought I bet Rodgers would disagree with that..lol   Original Message: ----------------- Wrom: TWFAOBUZXUWLSZLKBRNVWWCUFPEGAUTFJMVRE Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 19:49:37 -0400 To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: Definition of "organ"             > On 9/8/03 5:04 PM, "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> wrote: > > > I don't mean to start another war, but strictly, practically, and artistically > > speaking, your definition is wrong. > > > > -WG   Alan Freed then wrote:   > Well, this will be interesting (I hope). I'm totally neutral, Walter, but I > think you owe us an alternative definition, or at last a proposal of = one. > I'm wide open to it. (Quite seriously.) > > Alan >   Hi Alan and Group, With all due respect and in my own humble opinion, I suggest that Walter has given us that alternative definition, albeit somewhat cryptically. Wind is wind, whether generated by a hand pumped bellows, a blower, a steam pressure system, a mechanical air compression system, compressed gas from an air tank, or any other contrivance that causes the movement of air through plumbing systems as consequence to pressure differentials. Should the statement above be accepted, then it is impossible to = define a calliope as anything but an organ provided we all agree an organ is an instrument that generates sound by moving air through tubes that cause the air = columns to vibrate. Steam is air combined with water vapor at a high temperature, but it is still wind. Mike   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org          
(back) Subject: Re: Bach before the mast From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 06:24:46 -0500   How would you define an organ then? It certainly does not seem to involve having a keyboard, since barrel organs don't. It doesn't seem to involve having pipes, since reed organs don't. Yet people have been describing those things as organs for hundreds of years. I would therefore define it as a musical instrument comprising of a large number of wind-actuated tone generators.   John.   Walter Greenwood wrote:   >I don't mean to start another war, but strictly, practically, and = artistically speaking, >your definition is wrong. > >-WG > > > > > >>"John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote: >> >>Calliopes are not strictly speaking >>organs since they do not use wind -- pipe organs, reed organs, chord >>organs, etc., use wind and are therefore properly called organs.) >> >>John Speller >> >> > > >      
(back) Subject: durufle mass From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:14:20 -0400   at our annual choir retreat over this past weekend, i was given a large = stack of music that our choir director has chosen for this fall & winter. = in the stack is durufle's mass. i know all his organ works, the requiem, = and the motets, but have never heard the mass. can someone recommend a = good performance recording that i can listen to between now & lent?   thanks,   scot in seattle  
(back) Subject: Dictionary definitions From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 07:21:32 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   No, I'm sorry, but this just isn't good enough.   A "steam" organ is like any other except that the energy comes from a more dense medium than air and fed at higher pressure. If I were to blow standard organ pipes with carbon-dioxide, helium or even hydrogen cyanide (there's a thought for the processional!), they would still function in exactly the same way, albeit at higher or lower frequencies than normal.   A reed organ is still an organ because it is an attempt to generate musical notes in a recognisable musical series using the natural harmonic vibrations of reeds controlled from a keyboard or automatic device.   An auto exhaust has all the components of a reed pipe....a source of energy, a vibrating vale similar to a diaphone and a resonant cavity in which musical notes can form.......a feature exploited by race auto designers in fact! (Something to do with sonic waves and vortices travelling at the speed of sound to facilitate cylinder scavenging). However, the fact that a keyboard has been replaced by an accelerator pedal means that the "pipe" is not that of an organ, and any musical note is not meant to be heard in a musically coherent way........ unless it is a Ferrari. As anyone knows Ferrari made better musical instruments than Silbermann or Schnitger, which explains the lack of organs in Italy.   Then there are bottle organs, with bottles arranged in a musical series. There have been attempts to make keyboard controlled bottle organs which have been a success.   So to our dictionary definitions.......   Might I suggest the following?   Organ - An instrument of music using the natural resonances of pipes or other vessels arranged in a harmonic series, controlled from a keyboard or keyboards or some method of automatic control and actuated by compressed air or other elastic gas medium.   Electronic Organ - a cheaper attempt to produce sounds vaguely similar to the above. Requires electricity.   Digital Organ - a better and more expensive attempt to produce sounds vaguely similar to the above. Requires electricity and a technician with a higher degree in computing.   Organ builder - An endangered sub-strain of the human race, prone to eccentric habits and outbursts of rage. They attempt to make anything which sounds at all like any of the above, but sometimes fail expensively. The successful organ builder should not be approached under any circumstances; especially during working hours. Organ builders THINK they are musicians, whilst all organists KNOW that they are good organ builders.   Assistant Organist - A student of music who likes the taste of an organist's shoe leather and snuggles up to the organist sitting at an organ console. Assistant Organists also write out endless stop-lists on scraps of paper. From an early age, they are taught how to change their combinations whilst remaining seated.   Toaster - A dangerous automatic spring-loaded device operated by gas or electricity which cremates slices of bread and then throws them at the ceiling once they have burst into flames.   Bach's organ works - Didn't it just!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK       --- "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote: > How would you define an organ then? It certainly > does not seem to > involve having a keyboard, since barrel organs > don't. It doesn't seem > to involve having pipes, since reed organs don't. > Yet people have been > describing those things as organs for hundreds of > years. I would > therefore define it as a musical instrument > comprising of a large number > of wind-actuated tone generators.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: durufle mass From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 07:33:35 -0700   Messe cum jubilo for unison baritones and organ or orchestra? We did it a couple of times in the 1970s at Old St. Mary's in Cincinnati. Dr. Roberta Gary played the organ ... none of us could learn all those NOTES (chuckle).   I THINK there's a scoring for reduced orchestra and organ (like the Requiem), but I won't swear to it. You could probably figure one out from the full score ... the organ would basically play the string parts; whatever brasses are called for would play the brass parts. The Pie Jesu needs a solo 'cello.   As I recall, there WAS an LP of it with orchestra, but it was hard to = find.   It seems things have changed (grin). Do a Google using   "Messe cum jubilo" + Durufle   and you'll get a couple of hundred hits. I see that Paul Salamunovich and the Los Angeles Master Chorale have recorded it ... can't get much better than that (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > at our annual choir retreat over this past weekend, i was given a > large stack of music that our choir director has chosen for this fall > & winter. in the stack is durufle's mass. i know all his organ > works, the requiem, and the motets, but have never heard the mass. > can someone recommend a good performance recording that i can listen > to between now & lent? > > thanks, > > scot in seattle "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List > for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : > http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: durufle mass From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 10:39:40 -0400   bud, yes it's that mass. we'll be doing it with organ ONLY (gulp). i = know there are lots of recordings of it available, but i want to get a = good one, preferably a definitive performance, but since i don't know = anything about the work, i don't know which recordings are the good ones.   scot  
(back) Subject: RE: durufle mass From: "Mark & Cinda Towne" <mstowne@concentric.net> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 07:45:11 -0700   Go to the website of H & B Direct -- they have seven or eight recordings avilable including the one featuring the L A Master Chorale.   http://www.hbdirect.com/   Regards, MarkT   -----Original Message----- From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of quilisma@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 7:34 AM To: PipeChat Subject: Re: durufle mass     Messe cum jubilo for unison baritones and organ or orchestra? We did it a couple of times in the 1970s at Old St. Mary's in Cincinnati. Dr. Roberta Gary played the organ ... none of us could learn all those NOTES (chuckle).   I THINK there's a scoring for reduced orchestra and organ (like the Requiem), but I won't swear to it. You could probably figure one out from the full score ... the organ would basically play the string parts; whatever brasses are called for would play the brass parts. The Pie Jesu needs a solo 'cello.   As I recall, there WAS an LP of it with orchestra, but it was hard to = find.   It seems things have changed (grin). Do a Google using   "Messe cum jubilo" + Durufle   and you'll get a couple of hundred hits. I see that Paul Salamunovich and the Los Angeles Master Chorale have recorded it ... can't get much better than that (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > at our annual choir retreat over this past weekend, i was given a > large stack of music that our choir director has chosen for this fall > & winter. in the stack is durufle's mass. i know all his organ > works, the requiem, and the motets, but have never heard the mass. > can someone recommend a good performance recording that i can listen > to between now & lent? > > thanks, > > scot in seattle "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List > for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : > http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >       "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org        
(back) Subject: Re: durufle mass From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 08:27:04 -0700   Start NOW, dude, start NOW! (chuckle) And about January 1, kiss the family and the dog good-bye 'cause all you're gonna be DOING is practicing the organ (grin).   If I still had a score, I'd almost be tempted to see if one could make an accompaniment for TWO players at TWO organs. I'd love to know what HAPPENED to my score ... they COST an arm and a LEG.   We started on it in September, thinking we'd do it for Christmas ... I had three organists working on it, including myself ... we figured whoever learned whatever movement the best, he'd play that movement.   About the first week of December we looked at each other and said, "Nope, not in THIS reality!" (chuckle), substituted the Gounod St. Cecelia (which I could play in my SLEEP), postponed the Durufle until Easter, and asked Dr. Gary to play it, which she did ELEGANTLY, along with the Durufle Toccata for the postlude at Easter Day Mass.   We repeated it for Corpus Christi that same year, with Dr. Gary at the organ again.   I'd advise practicing the triplet figures in the Gloria on the PIANO to build up your strength, and HOPE your conductor takes it a LITTLE slower than the metronome mark (grin). The trick is, of course, to keep the ARM and SHOULDER *out* of it altogether ... and the wrist loose. If you tense up, you've bought the farm (grin).   Look at the 4th Communion Service in the back of the Episcopal Hymnal 1940 ... that's the Gregorian Kyrie, Sanctus and Agnus it's based on.   The Gloria in the back of the '40 is NOT the Gloria Durufle sets. Go to the typical edition of the Liber Usualis ... you'll find the Gloria of Mass IX on page 40.   Canon Douglas chose to use the Kyrie-Sanctus-Agnus of Mass IX and the Gloria of Mass X from the Kyriale to make up the "Fourth Communion Service," probably because of the wide range of Gloria IX.   There's a point to this ramble (grin) ... THOROUGHLY learn the chant melodies so the Mass will make SENSE ... also, you need to know them to keep the rhythm flexible, and the accents correct. Sometimes the organ has the chant (Kyrie); sometimes the choir has the chant (Gloria), etc.   I LOVE the piece ... just wish I could PLAY it (grin).   Cheers,   Bud   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote: > bud, yes it's that mass. we'll be doing it with organ ONLY (gulp). > i know there are lots of recordings of it available, but i want to > get a good one, preferably a definitive performance, but since i > don't know anything about the work, i don't know which recordings are > the good ones. > > scot "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for > pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : > http://www.pipechat.org List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >        
(back) Subject: Re: durufle mass From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:31:12 -0400   thanks, bud. i'm familiar with durufle's writing style, having played = nearly all of his organ works and his requiem. at first glance, there are = parts of the mass that look impossible, but upon further study i see it's = possible but only with a particular fingering. long ago i learned that = some passages in his music are very difficult unless you figure out the = right fingering (like the G-flat section of the ALAIN prelude), and then = it flows pretty easily once it's in the hands.   i'm thoroughly convinced that durufle could have written a lone middle C = and made it sound exquisite.   scot  
(back) Subject: Durufle From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 08:43:50 -0700   I actually like the Mass better than the Requiem, probably because the unison choir can punch through those thick orchestral/organ textures more easily.   And, of course, Mass IX is my fav Gregorian Mass in all the world (grin).   Yeah, I fingered every NOTE of the Gloria (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud      
(back) Subject: RE: Iberian chamades and NYC Gluck From: "Emmons, Paul" <PEMMONS@wcupa.edu> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:03:49 -0400   Andrew Meagher writes about Christ Church, Manhattan   > Because if they had no money they couldn't have afforded to have it rebuilt 8 years ago. =20   It does sometimes happen that the church inherits a large bequest = designated for the organ. (Or perhaps it is already endowed.) It rather = often happens that people will donate extra for a capital needs = campaign.   $6000 a year for a NYC Organist and Choirmaster is pathetically small = remuneration, but it doesn't necessarily mean that it's a bad place to = work. I'd say that 75% of job satisfaction depends on what the rector = wants and what kind of support/rapport the musician will get.   If I were in New York City and looking for a job, I wouldn't turn it = down _a priori_ without a little investigation.    
(back) Subject: Re: Bach before the mast From: "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:11:19 -0500   Hey, look at this. "How to build a calliope". It also has the word 'pipe' = in it a few times. A hundred years of calling it an organ. All down the = tubes, er pipes. No pun intended.   http://members.iinet.net.au/~mydav/calliope.htm   It doesn't seem to involve having pipes..........a large number of wind-actuated tone generators.   Mike Franch in Madison, WI   _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with MSN Messenger 6.0 -- download now! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_general    
(back) Subject: Re: Definition of organ From: "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:16:36 -0500   Oh, great. Here we go again. Just when the pipe vs electronic debacle dies =   off, now its pipe vs calliope. How about adding "nickelodeon" to the mix. Might as well. The doors have flung open again. pipe vs calliope, pipe vs nickelodeon, nickelodeon vs calliope, pipe vs whistle, Bears vs Packers. Oops, that's a whole 'nother topic.   But, of course, thats the beauty of this medium. To discuss the = similarities and differences of the organ.   >Man y organist I know say: "if it doesn't have pipes, it's not an organ" >thought I bet Rodgers would disagree with that..lol   Mike Franch in Madison, WI   _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive larger attachments with Hotmail Extra Storage. http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=3Dfeatures/es    
(back) Subject: Re: Iberian chamades and NYC Gluck From: "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:19:05 -0500   Didn't I see somewhere along one of these threads that you should spend = 10% of your construction budget on the organ? Sounds like its been applied to salary also.   Mike Franch in Madison, WI   It is obiously a red flag if they claim they can't pay the organist more than $6,000 but are at the same time paying the pator $60,000..lol Best of luck.   Andrew   _________________________________________________________________ Use custom emotions -- try MSN Messenger 6.0! http://www.msnmessenger-download.com/tracking/reach_emoticon    
(back) Subject: RE: Pipe Organs afloat From: "Michael Franch" <mvfranch@hotmail.com> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 11:23:01 -0500   Cool! Looks like there could be a popcorn/cotton candy/hot dog stand on = the other side. Make sure you search for 'Hoffmann' instead of "Hoffman".   Mike Franch in Madison, WI   _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE computer virus scan online from McAfee. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3D3963    
(back) Subject: Re: Definition of "organ" From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:37:23 -0400   On 9/8/03 7:49 PM, "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> wrote:   > Steam is air combined with water vapor at a high temperature, but it is = still > wind.   Mmmm. Mike, that's not what old Otto Whatzisname told us in Physics in 1948. For us, "steam" ("live steam") was H2O above 212 deg. F. at sea level. Thus "water vapor at high temperature," for sure, but "air" wasn't part of the definition. (Though I'm not claiming that that argues against your point.)   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Iberian chamades and NYC Gluck From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:45:13 -0400   On 9/9/03 1:12 AM, "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> wrote:   > Good luck to your friend Alan. I hope she finds a good job. That is = very > nice of you to help her get a job. Most people wouldn't do that for > someone. Another interesting thing to find out is what the pastor is > getting paid. It is obiously a red flag if they claim they can't pay = the > organist more than $6,000 but are at the same time paying the pator > $60,000..lol Best of luck. > Thank you, Andrew. Actually, she needs no luck; she's got real skills to market, and she'll succeed just fine. Also actually, she knows YOU. Says you're a nice guy, so we know she's perceptive. But you're right. The parish in question is small and poor; I'm trying to reach the pastor by phone, without success so far. I think I'll call her husband (whom I know better) and ask how to reach her. They're both good folks.   Alan    
(back) Subject: Re: Pilar Cabrera From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 12:59:24 EDT   Hi Walter:   I think I can explain the difference in the two consoles. There are two Cathedrals in Brugges. San Salvadore's, and the larger one the Cathedral dedicated to Mary. At anyrate Massimo Nosetti is seated at the San Salvadore console. I've played it. The bigger cathedral has 300 + foot high bell towers. Evidently San Salvadore's is used by an auxilliary bishop. The main Cathedral is several blocks away.   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: Church Church, NYC From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 13:39:57 -0400   For the (or any) potential applicant, but, really, for anyone who's interested.   I finally got through to the pastor, and we had a perfectly pleasant and cordial chat.   It amounted to very little, substantively; I had little to say (other than that the job is generating a lot of conversation); and she had little to say, too. I did ask whether there was any room for negotiation; she = didn't say "No," but she could not say "Yes," either. She sees it as a = possibility for a student, or perhaps a retired person, open to working on Sunday morning only, and with interest in decent liturgical music in a small and fiscally strapped parish.   I made sure she has my name and numbers and knows that I'd welcome more = chat if she wishes. I got the impression that her own salary is somewhere BETWEEN 6K and 60K, and can easily believe it's very much closer to the former than to the latter.   So that's where it is for now, at least.   Alan        
(back) Subject: RE: Pipe Organs afloat From: "Peter Rodwell" <iof@ctv.es> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 19:41:42 +0200   Ooops! I made a small typo in my posting about the truck-mounted organ: you should search for Hoffmann (two ns), not Hoffman with one n.   Peter.  
(back) Subject: Re: Pilar Cabrera From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2003 12:39:09 -0500   At 12:59 PM 9/9/03 -0400, you wrote: >Hi Walter: > >I think I can explain the difference in the two consoles.   The console in question is Cavaill=E9-Coll organ of Douai's Collegiale=20 Saint-Pierre, in Douai, France. It is identified on another page of Pilar's= =20 website. I assume they chose to use that picture as it is a good portrait=20 of Pilar. More information on her appearance at the festival with more=20 pictures is available at:=20 http://www.pilarcabrera.com/douai/concert-douai.htm Checking that page=20 will show the exact same picture.   jch        
(back) Subject: Organ definitions From: "Andr=E9s G=FCnther" <agunther@cantv.net> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:44:42 -0400   Andres Gunther agunther@cantv.net   When I was searching for organs in South America the search maschine gave = me a surprise- I tipped in "Organos"- and out came a huge list of organ trasplanting institutes, associations, hospitals, surgeons and 'organ banks'....... *Yuk* .......still was an internet dummie <G>.   Cheers Andres =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D First was the cat, then was the Orgler. The Orgler got a pet and the cat got something to wonder about.      
(back) Subject: Re: Dictionary definitions From: "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 15:02:39 -0500   Colin, Speaking of automobile exhaust as an organ pipe, I have what was called an "Aermore", a tuned set of four brass pipes joined together, and meant to = be placed in the exhaust line of a circa 1920's car! BAF II      
(back) Subject: Re: Dictionary definitions From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 13:12:49 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Mmmmm! Interesting indeed.   Apparently, by encouraging a vortex action, the gases can be made to accelerate to the speed of sound using harmonics in pipes. It applies as much to inlets as it does to exhausts.   IN FACT......coming to think of it, one probably doesn't need an organ pipe mouth at all! I wonder if a high pressure injection of air in a pipe would have the same effect?   The last bit was a desperate attempt to keep this on topic. Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- firman1 <firman1@prodigy.net> wrote: > Colin, > Speaking of automobile exhaust as an organ pipe, I > have what was called an > "Aermore", a tuned set of four brass pipes joined > together, and meant to be > placed in the exhaust line of a circa 1920's car! > BAF II     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com