PipeChat Digest #3950 - Wednesday, September 10, 2003
Re: Durufle Mass
  by "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Pilar Cabrera
  by "Lefevre Vincent" <vincent.lefevre@tiscali.be>
Re: Christ Church, NYC
  by "Hoffman, Christine" <hoffmanc@SAINTIGNATIUSLOYOLA.ORG>
Re: Definition of organ
  by <TubaMagna@aol.com>
Re: Dictionary definitions
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Trinity Temp Organ (xposted)
  by "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net>
Wilbur Snapp
  by "Dick Meckstroth" <support@opensystemsorgans.com>
Re: Definition of organ
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Exploding pneumatics
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Wilbur Snapp
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: Dictionary definitions
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
RE: Pilar Cabrera & Bruges Cathedral
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>
Re: Zoltan Kodaly
  by <MFoxy9795@aol.com>
the other reubke sonata
  by <BlueeyedBear@aol.com>
Re: Trinity Temp Organ (xposted)
  by "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net>
Re: Wilbur Snapp
  by "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu>
RE: Pilar Cabrera (Bruges Cathedral
  by "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org>

(back) Subject: Re: Durufle Mass From: "John Foss" <harfo32@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:51:59 +0100 (BST)   Cum Jubilo - a divine work. I had the privilege of taking part in the first British performance of this in the late 1960's - directed by Maurice Durufle himself with Madeleine Durufle playing the organ and the choir and orchestra of St Mary Magdalene's, Paddington. You cannot get much more authentic than that! (I mentioned this a year or so ago when it came into a discussion previously.) It was a liturgical performance. Madeleine Durufle did not seem to have any trouble with the organ part, but then that is only to be expected. The Requiem is also in a class apart - which do you prefer - Faure or Durufle? Or are comparisons not needed? They are both deeply moving works, the Faure less demanding, perhaps, on the performers. Madeleine Durufle did, very discreetly in a personal aside, comment on the response time of the action of the organ - but it depends, I think, on what you are used to. I have always found it a very comfortable organ to play. John Foss   =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D www.johnfoss.gr http://groups.yahoo.com/group/orgofftop/ Topics of the week : With the compliments of Adolf Hitler   ________________________________________________________________________ Want to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk  
(back) Subject: RE: Pilar Cabrera From: "Lefevre Vincent" <vincent.lefevre@tiscali.be> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 12:46:22 +0200   As far as I know as a citizen of Bruges, the Church of our Lady is not a cathedral. Its organ is much littler than the San Salvadore =91s one.   The two-manual pipe organ of the Church of our Lady has been built by Corneille Cacheux (1721-1724).   The original pipe organ of the San Salvadore Church has been built by = Jacob Van Eynde (1717-1719). It has been restored and transformed in 1936 by Johannes Klais ( Bonn- Germany). The organ builder Jos Loncke (Belgium) executed a revision in 1957. It is now a 3-manual plus pedal board = romantic instrument, although original registers have been maintained to allow = the interpretation of barock music. For those organ lovers who want pictures = of both instrument, I will sent them.   =20   Vincent Lef=E8vre, honorary secretary of the organ association = =93Organs in Flanders=94 . The website www.orgelinvlaanderen.be <http://www.orgelinvlaanderen.be/> is in Dutch, but it will be a = pleasure for me to translate those parts which possibly are interessing you.   =20   _____ =20   From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org] On Behalf Of RonSeverin@aol.com Sent: dinsdag 9 september 2003 18:59 To: pipechat@pipechat.org   =20   Hi Walter:   =20   I think I can explain the difference in the two consoles. There are   two Cathedrals in Brugges. San Salvadore's, and the larger one   the Cathedral dedicated to Mary. At anyrate Massimo Nosetti   is seated at the San Salvadore console. I've played it. The bigger   cathedral has 300 + foot high bell towers. Evidently San Salvadore's   is used by an auxilliary bishop. The main Cathedral is several   blocks away.   =20   Ron Severin      
(back) Subject: Re: Christ Church, NYC From: "Hoffman, Christine" <hoffmanc@SAINTIGNATIUSLOYOLA.ORG> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:03:00 -0400   U29ycnkgSSB3YXNuJ3QgcGF5aW5nIGZ1bGwgYXR0ZW50aW9uIHRvIG15IGRpZ2VzdHMgdGhpcyB= 3 ZWVrLCANCnNvIGhhdmUganVzdCBjb21lIGluIHRvIHRoaXMgdGhyZWFkLg0KIA0KQ2hyaXN0IEN= o dXJjaCBpcyBpbmRlZWQgYSBsb3ZlbHkgbGl0dGxlIGNvbmdyZWdhdGlvbiBvZiB0aGUgRUxDQS4= N CkkgaGF2ZSBwbGF5ZWQgdGhlcmUgZnJvbSB0aW1lIHRvIHRpbWUgYXMgYSBzdWIgKGFsdGhvdWd= o IEkgYW0NCnN0cmljdGx5IGFuIGFtYXRldXIsIEkgYW0gYSBmZWxsb3cgTHV0aGVyYW4pLg0KIA0= K VGhlIGNvbmdyZWdhdGlvbiBpcyBzbWFsbCBidXQgdHJ1bHkgcmVtYXJrYWJsZSwgYXMgU2ViYXN= 0 aWFuDQpoYXMgcG9pbnRlZCBvdXQuIFBhc3RvciBCcm9va2UgU3dlcnRmYWdlciAob25lIGhhbGY= g b2YgYSB0d28tcGFzdG9yDQpob3VzZWhvbGQgc28geW91IGtub3cgdGhleSdyZSBub3QgaW4gaXQ= g Zm9yIHRoZSBtb25leSkgDQppcyB2ZXJ5IHN1cHBvcnRpdmUgb2YgdGhlIG11c2ljIG9mIHRoZSB= j aHVyY2ggKGFuZA0KYSBncmVhdCBjYW50b3IgdG8gYm9vdC4pICBUaGUgImxhZGllcyIgYXJlIGF= 0 dGVudGl2ZSwgaW5kZWVkLiAgT25lIG9mDQp0aGUgbGFzdCBkdXRpZXMgYmVmb3JlIHRoZSBsaXR= 1 cmd5IGJlZ2lucyBpcyB0byBicmluZyB0aGUgb3JnYW5pc3QNCmEgdGFsbCBnbGFzcyBvZiBpY2U= g d2F0ZXIgdG8gcGxhY2Ugb24gYSBuZWFyYnkgc3VyZmFjZTsgc2luY2UgdGhlDQpvcmdhbiBpcyB= p biBmcm9udCwgaXQncyBpbXBvc3NpYmxlIHRvIHNuZWFrIG91dCBkdXJpbmcgdGhlIHNlcnZpY2U= h DQogDQpUaGUgaWRlYSBvZiBob29raW5nIHVwIHRoZSBvcmdhbmlzdCB3aG8gd2FudHMgcHJhY3R= p Y2Ugc3BhY2UgaXMNCmEgZ3JlYXQgb25lISAgSSBob3BlIHNvbWVvbmUgd2lsbCBwYXNzIGFsb25= n IHRvIGhpbQ0KdGhlIHBob25lIG51bWJlciBvZiBDaHJpc3QgQ2h1cmNoOiAyMTItNDc1LTU5MDY= u DQogDQotQ2hyaXN0aW5lIEhvZmZtYW4NCmNoLmhvZmZtYW5AdmVyaXpvbi5uZXQNCg0KCSANCg0= K  
(back) Subject: Re: Definition of organ From: <TubaMagna@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:24:19 EDT   Mr. Hoehn asked:   Just curious -- what would you call the instrument that I play in church since it is a hybrid instrument?   Just what it is -- an hybrid instrument  
(back) Subject: Re: Dictionary definitions From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 06:27:18 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I've just learned something!   What possible use it will ever be escapes me for the moment.   Thanks John   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK   --- "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> wrote:   > Incidentally, though the > calliope is generally fed with pretty high pressure > steam -- because that is > the pressure available in steamboats, etc. -- in > fact because steam is > expansive, it only takes about 1/3 the pressure to > sound a pipe with steam.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Trinity Temp Organ (xposted) From: "Alan Freed" <acfreed0904@earthlink.net> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:28:21 -0400   The Pipes Are Gone but the Organ Resounds   September 10, 2003 By JAMES R. OESTREICH   Concert settings around the city for decades have had to endure the shake, rattle and rumble of subways passing nearby. The new Zankel Hall - in the Carnegie Hall basement, with a subway nine feet away - will soon carry the skirmish to a new front, reportedly well defended with sound insulation.   But the historic Trinity Church, at the foot of Wall Street, is preparing = to fight back.   "We'll be rattling the subways," said Owen Burdick, the church's director = of music, as he listened to a mighty crescendo in an early test of an innovative digital organ, just built and installed there by Marshall & Ogletree of Needham Heights, Mass.   The instrument replaces the church's old Aeolian Skinner pipe organ, which was all but destroyed in the attacks of Sept. 11. The church lies a mere = 200 yards from ground zero, and the building itself suffered remarkably little damage. But it was permeated with a thick coating of dust and grime, which corroded organ parts made of leather and other vulnerable materials.   The Aeolian Skinner now lies dismantled in storage, pending an insurance settlement at least a year off. (One item in issue, apparently, is how = much of the dust predated the attacks and how much was caused by them; a = "doctor of dust," in Mr. Burdick's phrase, was brought in to examine the layers.) Rebuilding the instrument, or building a new pipe organ, would probably = take an additional three to five years, Mr. Burdick said, while affirming the church's intention to do one or the other eventually.   "This is an elegant interim solution," he said of the Marshall & Ogletree instrument.   The organ will make its public debut tomorrow evening at 7 in a = performance of William Albright's oratorio "A Song to David," for chorus, soloists, narrators and organ. Mr. Burdick will conduct and Dean Billmeyer will be = the organist. The performance will be broadcast live on WQXR-FM and streamed = on WQXR.com. (WQXR is owned by The New York Times Company.)   The Trinity congregation has limped along since the church reopened in November 2001 with a jury-rigged system of electronic keyboards and synthesizers. "We call it the Toaster," Mr. Burdick said, evoking a term used by pipe organ aficionados to dismiss electronic organs generally.   Electronic organs, to be sure, don't get much respect from music professionals. But if Trinity's new instrument is not your grandfather's pipe organ, neither is it your father's electronic organ.   Mr. Burdick, who has long been involved in electronic music, joined the Marshall & Ogletree builders at the drawing board. Their goal was to = produce the best instrument that could be conceived within current technological limits if price were no object.   The resulting prototype relies not on one computer but on 10 of them. It also deploys 74 large speakers - set in ranks, like organ pipes - and six refrigerator-size subwoofers.   "It's one hell of a stereo system," Mr. Burdick said.   As on a typical electronic organ, the sounds are derived from pitch = samples recorded from pipe organs. But here there is no resort to transposition or other manipulation to derive many pitches from one. Each pitch has been sampled individually from fine pipe organs around the country. Even the wheezes and creaks of the pipe organ's mechanism have been sampled into = the sound.   "If you were to listen to every sample in the instrument from beginning to end, it would take about 34 hours," Douglas Marshall, one of the builders, said in press materials. A similar process on a standard electronic organ might take about three minutes, Mr. Burdick added.   The prototype, an infinitely complex contraption, cost about $300,000 to develop, much of that sum to be borne by Trinity Church from - Mr. Burdick hopes - insurance proceeds. By contrast, he added, a typical electronic organ of concert-hall dimensions runs $60,000 to $75,000, and a comparable pipe organ might reach $2.5 million to $3 million.   The organ was delivered to Trinity last Thursday evening by the quaintly named Death Wish Movers, and the process of setting it up was virtually completed by 2:30 in the morning. The sound was impressive in tests later that morning, far surpassing that usually heard from electronic organs in concert halls even though a connector was found to be miswired and had yet to be corrected. The thunderous bass sounds seemed to vibrate the very = walls and floor of the church, prompting Mr. Burdick's threat to the subways.   Might the instrument prove satisfactory enough that the church would = simply adopt it as a permanent fixture? No, Mr. Burdick insisted.   "There will be pipes again at Trinity," he said. "Everyone is committed to that. But this instrument raises the bar for electronic organs, and C-plus organ builders should be on alert. There is no reason to look down on it. = It is a logical extension of the technology we take for granted in every = other area of our lives, and 99 percent of the people who hear it will be = unaware of any difference. But is it beautiful?"   He answered his own question in the negative. "It lacks an inherent `suchness,' " he said, borrowing a Zen term for something between, say, "essence" and "gravitas."   But churches aside, what of a hall like Carnegie, which is not about to tamper with its acoustical makeup to the extent of installing a pipe = organ? Sheerly in terms of sound, the new instrument would seem far preferable to the more or less generic electronic instrument the hall uses now.   "It's so new that we haven't had inquiries," Mr. Burdick said.   Robert J. Harth, the executive and artistic director of Carnegie Hall, is keeping a wary eye. "I'm always interested in knowing what opportunities there are without making any permanent changes or doing anything that = would affect the hall's acoustics," he said.   Kent Tritle, who, as director of music at the Church of St. Ignatius = Loyola on Park Avenue, oversaw the installation of a splendid new Mander pipe = organ there in 1993 and who, as the organist of the New York Philharmonic, plays an electronic instrument as well, is also watching from afar.   "It doesn't look to me as though it's anything radically new," he said, "although it should certainly be better than what we have in Avery Fisher Hall. You can do a lot now to get better sound electronically, but it will never replace the original."   Adapting the system to concert hall use would seem problematic in any = case. Ranks of speakers looming above and behind the players, where organ pipes might ordinarily be, would lack the visual appeal of pipes. (In Trinity Church, the speakers are tucked away behind dummy pipes.) What's more, in the mysterious workings of psychoacoustics, they might even detract from = the listening experience.   Certainly, few halls would devote prime real estate, on stage or off, to = any permanent installation. All of which leaves the logistical nightmare of repeatedly moving whole batteries of speakers into place and making all = the proper connections.   But the instrument, big and booming as it is, is still in its infancy. As Mr. Harth of Carnegie Hall said, "We need to watch this very closely." And listen hard.   http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/10/arts/music/10ORGA.html?ex=3D1064175287&ei= =3D1& en=3Da8e14b08d7db9714     ---------------------------------    
(back) Subject: Wilbur Snapp From: "Dick Meckstroth" <support@opensystemsorgans.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:28:26 -0400   I learned today of the death of yet another organist whose musical choices = led to his removal from the bench by small-minded but arbitrarily powerful men = in funny black suits. In 1985, Wilbur Snapp was ejected by the umpires from = a minor league baseball game for playing "Three Blind Mice" after a call.   May his courage stand as an example to us all.   Dick Meckstroth  
(back) Subject: Re: Definition of organ From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 08:41:02 -0500   At 02:44 AM 9/10/03 -0400, you wrote:   >Just curious -- > >what would you call the instrument that I play in church since it is a >hybrid instrument? > >Tom Hoehn, Organist   If you go by the very strict definition of an organ...an instrument using air blown components...only a pipe organ can even be considered an organ. In our current political correct society anything with at least one keyboard and not necessary any pedal clavier can be called an organ...now = a hybrid is another thing all together..is it pipes and electronics, = cowbells and transistors... .what kind of a hybrid what you haven't told us<g> As Sebastian so easily summed it up..it is a HYBRID.   jch    
(back) Subject: Exploding pneumatics From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:16:10 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   I suppose we specialised in pneumatic actions here in the UK, and brought them to a high degree of perfection and reliability.   Pneumatic actions vary so MUCH from one type to another. Some are depressingly slow to respond, but may have good repetition. Others are like lightning, but don't repeat quickly. A few....a very few....are beautiful to the touch and perfectly adequate in speed and repetition.   The arguments concerning exhaust pneumatic and charge pneumatic raged for years, and some very fine builders were involved in one or other of the categories. I "think" I am right in saying that Norman & Beard developed a super-fast exhaust system, and Harrison & Harrison did likewise. It is a tribute to Harrison's quality of work, that some of these old actions still work witheir original leather intact, but re-leathering is a nightmare due to the complexity of the exhaust action, and there are not many capable pneumatic specialists still alive.   The quickest pneumatic I ever heard was on a Mortier dance band organ......just WOW!   For utter reliability and acceptable speed, the Binns pneumatic actions took some beating. They even developed an extremely clever pneumatic combination mechanism which enabled variable stop combinations actuated by combination pedals....well worth a look at. In fact, the old Binns action of the famous Schulze organ at St.Bartholemew's church Armley, close to where I live in Yorkshire, finally expired after something like a century. The pneumatic action is to be re-made EXACTLY AS IT WAS.   I think I was the last person every to play a recital there using the old action of the Echo organ.....I think the Reger must have killed it off, because it never worked again after that!!   Pneumatics are a fascinating area for study, and I even have a very technical book on the subject. I guess that the development of pneumatics was not unconnected with early Victorian machinery in the industrial era in the UK, and pneumatics were used extensively in the woollen industry and elsewhere. Whole carpets were made using pneumatic operating systems. They even had a wonderful pneumatic cash dispensing system in a local store, which enabled money to be sent to various parts of the shop from a central cash office. They put the money in a small cylinder, fed it into a tube and....whoosh!   I even had a car once which had an "organ type" accelerator, operated by vacuum, and that was from 1965!   I learned the next bit from Stephen Bicknell, who very kindly wrote to me personally to explain the error of my ways. Apparently pipe-speech can be badly affected by pneumatic actions, due to the "explosive" opening of the windchest pneumatic motors, where air pressure ensures that there is a very high level of immediately available "torque" when the motor is exhausted. The pallet collapses with quite a bang and this can unsettle pipe-speech dramatically. This is a big problem when organs were originally voiced for tracker or barker-lever. It is a source of considerable trouble for the restorers of the mid-19th century Schulze organ at St.Bart's, Armley, here in the UK, which Binns had converted to pneumatic action around the turn of the century. Voiced on very modest wind pressures, with low cut-ups and open foot voicing, the explosive collapse of the chest motors causes some hesitation in the speech of the pipes, and in particular, the 8ft Principal pipes. So, in order to get around the problem, the speech is normally re-set a little slower. However, THAT was not an option for Binns apparently, and it looks as if he just bolted on the action and mercifully left the voicing as Schulze intended it.   Last but not least is the "touch", which is always better with charge pneumatic systems.....nice and crisp with a bit of top resistance to the keys. With an exhaust sytem, the feel is very springy because......that's all that keeps the keys up. Of course, builders such as Harrison & Harrison, although dedicated to the exhaust penumatic system, went to great lengths to ensure a nice feel to the keys, and they certainly succeeded.   So if Nate has any specific questions, the book I have may provide the answer. If not, I may know a few people who actually know all the answers and who spent a lifetime with a candle in one hand and a stick of chatterton's compound in the other, as they sealed the lead tubing on a regular basis.   Nate might also consider the work of band organ restorers in the USA, because apart from the key-frame system, the action is quite normal after that, so far as I am aware. They would therefore be a source of considerable knowledge.   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK             --- Bigaquarium <Bigaquarium@netzero.net> wrote:   > > Heheh, no thanks, I just want to experience the > action, speech, and any > other unique qualities of a tube-pneumatic.. (C: > > > > -Nate > > "The Apprentice"     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Wilbur Snapp From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:28:26 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Well at least he will be remembered!   The umpires will not, I guess.   I once slowly improvised on "The devil's gallop" after I had fallen out with a priest, and I know that John Scott-Whitely (York Minster) once played "The war march of the priests" after the enthronement of a controversial liberal bishop, as he made his way to the west door to face protestors!!   Could we now have a pipechat "confessional"?   Three "Hail Mary's" and two "Our father's" for the winning "sinner".   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Dick Meckstroth <support@opensystemsorgans.com> wrote: > I learned today of the death of yet another organist > whose musical choices led > to his removal from the bench........ In 1985, > Wilbur Snapp was > ejected by the umpires from a > minor league baseball game for playing "Three Blind > Mice" after a call. > > May his courage stand as an example to us all.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: Dictionary definitions From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 07:30:53 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   A mouse organ?   Tell us about it!   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- Walter Greenwood <walterg@nauticom.net> wrote: > I just love stirring up a good fuss. Then, of > course, there was Terry Jones' mouse organ, but > let's not go there.     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: RE: Pilar Cabrera & Bruges Cathedral From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:30:47 -0500   Hopefully Vincent can clear this matter up for us. The Pilar Cabrera webpage clearly indicates that the concert was at Bruges Cathedral celebrating "50 Years Bruges Cathedral Concerts 2003. Theme of the year: "Four Centuries West European Organ Music". I know from research I did last year that Gerhard Grenzing of Bacelona was building a new organ for the cathedral. I do not know if the installation has been completed. Organist as cathedral is noted to be Ignace Michiels.   Jon Habermaas      
(back) Subject: Re: Zoltan Kodaly From: <MFoxy9795@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:36:00 -0400   There is a very nice SATB a cappella setting of Psalm 121 by Kodaly. I = think it is published by Boosey and Hawkes. Merry Foxworth =B4=A8=A8)) -:=A6:- =B8.=B7=B4 .=B7=B4=A8=A8)) ((=B8=B8.=B7=B4 ..=B7=B4 -:=A6:- An excerpt from Robert Giddings "Musical Quotes and Anecdotes", published in Longman Pocket Companions: "There let the pealing organ blow, To the full-voiced choir below, In service high, and anthems clear, As may with sweetness, through mine ear, Dissolve me into ecstasies, And bring all Heav'n before mine eyes". John Milton - Il Penseroso (1632). Open Door Realty Boston, MA 02131 617 469-4888 x207 877 865-1703 toll free http://www.opendoorrlty.com/  
(back) Subject: the other reubke sonata From: <BlueeyedBear@aol.com> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:36:53 -0400   just out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard the reubke piano sonata = played on the organ? at about 30 minutes, it's longer than the sonata on = the 94th psalm.   scot  
(back) Subject: Re: Trinity Temp Organ (xposted) From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 09:46:03 -0500   Hi, Alan, et al:   Thanks for the posting of the article by James Oestreich. This raises some serious questions. To the point...   > The prototype, an infinitely complex contraption, cost > about $300,000 to develop... * * * By contrast, he added, > a typical electronic organ of concert-hall dimensions runs > $60,000 to $75,000, and a comparable pipe organ might reach > $2.5 million to $3 million.   I think this is a "low-ball" comparison. I have no problem with $300,000 to develop the prototype, especially after saying that their prototype is, "...infinitely complex contraption..." In my opinion, none of the current E-org builders will offer an organ of concert-hall dimensions for $60,000 to $75,000.   Are we being mis-led? ...or is this, perhaps, a shot of factual misresentation to tell the public that the current E-org builders best works are only worth about $60,000 to $75,000. Am I reading too much into what Mr. Burdick, allegedly, said?   Perhaps one of the existing E-org builders could build an organ of concert-hall dimensions for $60,000 to $75,000, ....I am not saying that they can or do, just that if they can, the retail price of that organ will be substantially higher when installed and tonally finished. There are too many mouths to feed.   Plant such an idea in the minds of people in financial control positions in churches, and it easily allows Marshall & Ogletree to justify whatever their price structures might be in the future.   Unless this "new" design approach is built of really inexpensive components, I find it highly unlikely that Marshall & Ogletree's retail prices will be any lower than those of existing E-org builders, especially when adding the quantities of audio that are presented in this article.   We need more information. All eyes open, every ear tuned.   F. Richard Burt Dorian Organs     ..    
(back) Subject: Re: Wilbur Snapp From: "Randolph Runyon" <runyonr@muohio.edu> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:46:30 -0400   on 9/10/03 10:28 AM, Colin Mitchell at cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk wrote:   > > Could we now have a pipechat "confessional"? > > Three "Hail Mary's" and two "Our father's" for the > winning "sinner".     I typically play the children out after the children's sermon, since the service is broadcast on a local radio station and the powers that be wish there to be no "dead time" on the air. I try when possible to choose a = tune that is related to the children's sermon, but never know what the sermon will be in advance. A couple of weeks ago, it had something to do with making sure one gets to Sunday School on time, so naturally I played "Get = Me to the Church on Time." Maybe half-a-dozen people got the joke. Trouble is, the song begins with "I'm getting married in the morning," so I was hoping they would ignore that and focus on the more relevants words that follow. I played it on the Krummhorn so it would be sure to get their attention.   Another time I played, with no specific refernence to the sermon, just as = a snappy march, "Hooray for Captain Spaulding." That brought some titters, = as people associated it with the 1950s television quiz show hosted by Groucho Marx.     Randy Runyon Music Director Zion Lutheran Church Hamilton, Ohio runyonr@muohio.edu      
(back) Subject: RE: Pilar Cabrera (Bruges Cathedral From: "jch" <opus1100@catoe.org> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 10:04:13 -0500   I took advantage of Vincent's invitation and visited the site. Even if you= =20 don't understand a word the music is GREAT. There is an information section= =20 which led me to the Bruges Cathedral. There is a listing of all the=20 concerts this season including Pilar Cabrera's on the 18th of August. Thank= =20 you Vincent for the excellent link. It is now book marked for future use.=20 There are also sections which provide english information.   regards,   Jon C. Habermaas   At 12:46 PM 9/10/03 +0200, you wrote:   >Vincent Lef=E8vre, honorary secretary of the organ association =93Organs= in=20 >Flanders=94 . The website=20 ><http://www.orgelinvlaanderen.be/>www.orgelinvlaanderen.be is in Dutch,=20 >but it will be a pleasure for me to translate those parts which possibly=20 >are interessing you. > >