PipeChat Digest #3956 - Saturday, September 13, 2003
 
Re: here we go, yet again
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
Re: IRC tonight
  by "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
Re: here we go, yet again
  by "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au>
Re: (was "here we go, yet again") Masters
  by "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net>
Re: seduced by a digital
  by "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net>
Re: here we go, yet again
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
some further points, and no, I'm NOT going to give up (chuckle)
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: some further points, and no, I'm NOT going to give up (chuckle)
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Train whistles - & sirens
  by "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com>
Re: here we go, yet again
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: Train whistles - & sirens
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: Kilgen Theatre organ
  by <RonSeverin@aol.com>
She probably wore earplugs!
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
RE: here we go, yet again
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
RE: SOUND, *not* SIZE
  by "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net>
Re: here we go, yet again
  by <Gfc234@aol.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: here we go, yet again From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:31:34 -0500   Lee, as much as I agree with your last sentence, you will never convince = this group of that. This is only the 20th time in about 3 years that = someone has started this argument.   Jim H ----- Original Message -----=20 From: leora holcomb=20 To: PipeChat=20 Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 5:11 PM Subject: Re: here we go, yet again     les. There is a place for both. Lee   BlueeyedBear@aol.com wrote:=20 List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org         -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software  
(back) Subject: Re: IRC tonight From: "Eric McKirdy" <emckirdy@gladstone.uoregon.edu> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:37:33 -0700   Yes, as I've mentioned here before, I know Ircle inside and out. Anyone = who needs assistance is welcome to drop me a line!   Eric     On 9/12/03 4:37 PM, quilisma@cox.net said something about:   > 9 p.m. US Eastern Daylight Time. > > Directions: > > http://www.pipechat.org/irc.html > > If you need help with setup on a PC, e-mail: > > beejayusa@cox.net > > For help on a MAC: > > david@blackiris.com > > though he may be enroute from Sarasota today. > > Is there another MAC user in the house who knows ircle? > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org >    
(back) Subject: Re: here we go, yet again From: "bobelms" <bobelms@westnet.com.au> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 08:26:32 +0800   TWO ranks, Gregory?? You have got to be kidding!! Bob Elms.   ---- Original Message ---- From: Gfc234@aol.com To: pipechat@pipechat.org Subject: Re: here we go, yet again Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:19:25 EDT   >It is a shame that people use stops and ranks to "make" music. Now >I don't >know about you guys, but I call that playing around with >registrations A good >organist can make 2 ranks sound the most wonderful music in the >world. Once >the music is happening, enhance it with however many ranks you have. > >Gregory Ceurvorst >    
(back) Subject: Re: (was "here we go, yet again") Masters From: "Mike Gettelman" <mike3247@earthlink.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:28:45 -0400       quilisma@cox.net wrote:   > (snip) > Notice I keep saying MASTER builders and MASTER voicers. There are a > handful in this country, and a handful abroad. They should be sought > out, their livings endowed, built comfortable homes, their children sent > to school, servants furnished, and CODDLED, for they are a NATIONAL > TREASURE. > (snip again) > > Cheers, > > Bud   And folks wonder why at age 53 I can think of no more noble thing to = do with my life than learn all about the organ, and find out if perhaps I = have the ear and the sensibility to tonally design, voice, and finish pipe organs. = If only I could find a Master willing to teach me. A while back, Colin Mitchell asked if Ed Stout was the one responsible = for the wonderful Castro Theatre Wurlitzer, which indeed he is amongst many = other organs both classical and theatre. I responded to Colin that I would = almost kill for the opportunity to work beside this man. It may sound corny, but = these guys are heroes to me, and I'm awed by their accomplishments. Names like = Ken List, Joe Nichols, Rich Schneider, and Keith Morgan are living legends = that carry forth the traditions of Ernest M. Skinner, G. Donald Harrison, Henry Willis, and Aristide Cavaille Coll. What will the next generation bring = and who will teach them? Where are the young voicers? Why haven't we heard from or about them? = I was thrilled to see "Nate the apprentist" begin posting to the list. He is = living the life I dream about, so everything he shares with us seems more = important to me. I wish there were a hundred more on the list like him. As far as myself, I have to be realistic about my age and abilities. Turning a 53 year old auto mechanic into a Master Voicer is probably a = pipe dream, and I have grown to accept this as some of you well know. So I will = do the best I can to follow along with the organ community, learn what I can, = read my books, listen to my recordings, follow along with the scores, and = continue to write my pleading letters to organ builders, asking to be included in = some small way. I so desperately want to be amongst the pipes, and I feel sure = that some day I will be. Until then, I will simply continue to ponder this = wonderful "sickness" that has overtaken me, and changed my life forever. Mike Gettelman      
(back) Subject: Re: seduced by a digital From: "Jim Hailey" <jhaileya10@charter.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:46:20 -0500   I agree with you Jim. I love playing a good quality digital. I love playing a good pipe. And there are even times that I love playing a Kurtzweil. And every now and then, I enjoy playing an acoustic piano... and now I stop because I promised myself I would never get involved in = this debate again.   Jim H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "james nerstheimer" <enigma1685@hotmail.com> To: <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 4:06 PM Subject: seduced by a digital     > I find myself these days utterly enchanted and yea, even seduced by a > wonderful Allen I played last weekend. . > > jim > > O):^) > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >      
(back) Subject: Re: here we go, yet again From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:38:19 -0700   Um, Bob, look in the OHS catalog of recordings ... I'm sure there are some recordings of various cabinet organs that consist of Stopt Diapason 8' and Principal 4' ... and they are DELIGHTFUL.   The organ for which Haydn composed the organ concerti can't be MUCH bigger than that, albeit with larger pipe-scales. It is still in use in the church for which it was built, I believe. It's like one manual, MAYBE 3 1/2 octaves, and probably no pedals, though I don't remember that part.   Cheers,   Bud       bobelms wrote: > TWO ranks, Gregory?? You have got to be kidding!! > Bob Elms. > > ---- Original Message ---- > From: Gfc234@aol.com > To: pipechat@pipechat.org > Subject: Re: here we go, yet again > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:19:25 EDT > > >>It is a shame that people use stops and ranks to "make" music. Now >>I don't >>know about you guys, but I call that playing around with >>registrations A good >>organist can make 2 ranks sound the most wonderful music in the >>world. Once >>the music is happening, enhance it with however many ranks you have. >> >>Gregory Ceurvorst >> > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >     -- =FFWPC=BF      
(back) Subject: some further points, and no, I'm NOT going to give up (chuckle) From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 17:50:32 -0700   (1) How many serious classical pianists play digital pianos in concert?   (2) How many churches and temples can you name where an outstanding music program has been built around a digital instrument?   The answer to (1) is "none."   The answer to (2) is "none that I know of."   There are some HUMONGOUS digital instruments out there, Trinity Wall Street being the latest addition, but I'm not aware of ANY of them sparking a revival of interest in the organ or organ music. They are expensive curiosities, nothing more.   Stamford's Church of the Holy Whale was among the first; it created a great stir when it was installed, then sank into obscurity; at age 20 or 30, it has been on the market repeatedly for a fraction of its original cost in 1970s dollars. It has been replaced by a pipe organ.   Given the choice, I'd have a two or three-stop tracker practice organ at home.   There's ALWAYS a solution to "we can't afford/find space for a pipe organ." You just have to look for it. One Presbyterian church I consulted with chose a three-manual digital because they did oratorios without orchestra. Well, first of all, that choir had no BUSINESS doing oratorios (chuckle) ... the result was EXCRUCIATING. There was space for a small two-manual tracker, which would have accompanied what they were CAPABLE of singing quite well.   Sometimes it's the ego of the choirmaster/organist/minister/whoever that gets in the way.   Cheers,   Bud        
(back) Subject: Re: some further points, and no, I'm NOT going to give up (chuckle) From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 21:20:22 EDT   Elitism will be our demise.   Excruciating to trained maybe sweet smelling praise to God--after all, who =   really knows what SHE thinks about all of this?   If you can find a small 2 manual tracker to do it all then God bless you. If I can find anything but an Allen and the dreadful Johannus that is well =   voiced and well powered by something other than K mart speakers I am there =   giving my best to God....   Ah well, I am sure DR Mulbury is spinning in his house at the = embarrassment I am causing him and CCM........   Happy Saturday One and All   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Train whistles - & sirens From: "David Carter" <davidorganist2002@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 19:05:58 -0700 (PDT)   Sorry to chime in so late on this topic, I've been a bit behind reading = pipechat. When I'm driving with the windows up, I can't hear the electronic sirens that are common in = today's emergency vehicles, until they are quite close. On the other hand, when an older = fire engine approaches, with an old-fashioned siren, I hear it no problem.   David Carter In Sacramento CA, where we may have yet another actor for a governor --- Bruce Cornely <cremona@cervo.net> wrote: > Colin, > In the USA AmTrak has pretty much replaced the air-horns with electric = ones > on their trains. They are much, MUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCH = louder, > but because they move no air cannot be heard as great a distance as a > somewhat softer air-powered horn. They're also ugly to hear. >     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: here we go, yet again From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:10:02 -0400   At 03:58 PM 2003-09-12 -0500, you wrote:     >Jeff White wrote, in part: > > > Bud I'm not disputing your first sentence, but I will ask > > this question: why would I want just three ranks per > > division on a affordable pipe organ when I could have 75 > > "ranks" on an electronic for the same price (in THEORY)? > >leading me to propose that we reframe the question to "Do you go for >quality and durability" on the one hand, or size and sizzle on the >other?". > >Consider this. You have some money to use to buy furniture. Is it a >better use of your money, to buy a well made table, and couple chair, >which with proper care will last for generations, on the one had, or on >the other hand to buy a whole set of living room furniture, constructed = to >standards that are not nearly as high, which will wear out in a few = years, >be unable to be repaired, and have to be completely replaced. If you >purchased the table and chairs the first time, with the money you would >use to replace the first set, you can instead purchase a couple of more >pieces of high quality furniture, and have more than you had before, >instead of just replacing what you had, and having spent the twice the >money to have the same thing. > >Electronic instruments are designed neither to be easily upgraded, nor to >have infinite lives, and when they fail, you may not be able to get the >parts to repair them, meaning you have to replace the whole thing. Pipe >organs are designed in a manner that repair is possible, and with care, >will last indefinitely. And if you plan ahead, you can then use the = money >you would have used to purchase a new electronic to enlarge the pipe = organ >you already have. > >To me, the question comes down to one of stewardship. > >ns   Noel,   I hope that you do not mean by stewardship, just dollars and cents, = because a pipe organ is going to cost more even if one buys an electronic and replaces it every 20 or 25 years. Here are my thoughts,   1) If a church or individual wants to buy a pipe organ they will. Generally the cost factor is irrelevant. Pipe organs cost = multiples more than electronic organs   2) if as you say a church is in possession of a pipe organ, and they want =   to keep it in good use, that means tuning, and a certain amount of maintenance, that costs money. One could argue that, that same amount of money that is spent on pipe organ maintenance, could also be put in some investment account, and be used for the maintenance of an electronic = organ, and if not used, could in large measure buy a new electronic organ in 20 = or 25 years.   3) It is understood that electronic organs have finite life-spans. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. I would say that a great number of pipe organs would also have limited life-spans, if it wasn't for =   re-building, restoring, enlarging etc. And that doesn't come for free, at =   least not the last time I checked.   4) Also, and I think pipe organ builders should be careful about how they =   approach this, sometimes churches have pipe organs, and the tuners/maintenance company is asked about certain things concerning the organ, especially when the pipe organ is just "musical junk", the church = is told they should trash the organ, and buy a new pipe organ. There are a lot of these mediocre beasts around Ontario here, and the church that owns =   them is in no situation to buy a new pipe organ financially. Quite often it is these churches that buy electronic organs, because they have paid = out so much in maintenance over the years, the tone of the instrument is terrible, that they don't want that to happen again. In other words, having a bad pipe organ can be a good start to acquiring an electronic.   I do agree that a pipe organ is preferrable, but it shouldn't be a dollars =   and cents issue. It should be viewed from the point of view of musical satisfaction, longevity, etc.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: Train whistles - & sirens From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:18:53 -0400   At 07:05 PM 2003-09-12 -0700, you wrote: >Sorry to chime in so late on this topic, I've been a bit behind reading >pipechat. When I'm driving >with the windows up, I can't hear the electronic sirens that are common = in >today's emergency >vehicles, until they are quite close. On the other hand, when an older >fire engine approaches, >with an old-fashioned siren, I hear it no problem. Hi,   I heard a new Musicom based organ in Buffalo a few months back, and this instrument was supposedly about 100 ranks large, had 28 audio channels. The speakers were for the most part rather small 2-way (looked =   like 8" woofer, 1" domed tweeter). They looked like near field monitors. The sound of the organ was very distant, even though I was no more than 50' away from the speakers. The organ lacked pipe organ presence, was generally too soft, the ensemble too small. Not a bad = sound, just not what I would expect from a pipe organ. When I later played the organ, the console was only about 25' from the speakers, the organ sounded =   quite different. I think that pipe organs move a lot more air, and speakers tend to send sound waves at you, rather than to you as a pipe organ does.   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: Kilgen Theatre organ From: <RonSeverin@aol.com> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 23:30:54 EDT   Dear Chatters on the West Coast:   I received a phone call from David Farr that his late father's Kilgen Theatre Organ is available and must be moved before the first week of November. It is ten ranks, console, blower, percussions, toy counters etc. David originally wanted to sell this organ, but will give it to a good home.The home is to be sold on a 60 day escrow beginning today. If someone hasn't claimed it by the first week of Nov. he must take it to the dump. He doesn't want to do that, but it is his only option. Whoever takes it must take all of it.   Don't contact me, I'm just the messenger. Contact David Farr DKLEJOS1@aol.com or by phone: 1-714-965-2454 or 1-714-790-5443. The organ is located IIRC in San Pedro, CA Bring someone with you that knows how to hook up the DC power supply. You might want to consider using this organ as a gospel division on a larger organ. One further phone number 1-310-832-0030. Send him an E-mail or leave a phone message if you are looking for a home organ. The organ is AS IS but the price is right. Sorry I don't have the location address, but David can give you that.   I have no other interest in the organ except to help David find a home for it. Thanks so much.   Ron Severin    
(back) Subject: She probably wore earplugs! From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 20:35:59 -0700   It is really tiresome (not to mention bad theology) to excuse all manner of poor performances in the name of "God likes it" or "they're doing their best."   Yes, I'm well-aware of the story of the widow's mite; I am also aware of the story of the precious ointment.   GOD probably doesn't much care one way or the other; but LISTENING to it was pure PENANCE for the congregation.   When my health reached the point I couldn't offer my BEST to God on Sunday morning, I STOPPED PLAYING.   That little choir in that little church could sing simple anthems of limited range quite acceptably; instead they attempted things like "Elijah" and the SATB version of "Ceremony of Carols."   Those who don't approach the church service with the same care, skill, and preparation as a recital or a concert have (in my opinion) no business making music in church. Which is not to say that I haven't heard some very dedicated amateurs who do JUST THAT.   Cheers,   Bud   Keys4bach@aol.com wrote: > Elitism will be our demise. > > Excruciating to trained maybe sweet smelling praise to God--after all, > who really knows what SHE thinks about all of this? > > If you can find a small 2 manual tracker to do it all then God bless = you. > If I can find anything but an Allen and the dreadful Johannus that is > well voiced and well powered by something other than K mart speakers I > am there giving my best to God.... > > Ah well, I am sure DR Mulbury is spinning in his house at the > embarrassment I am causing him and CCM........ > > Happy Saturday One and All > > dale in Florida     -- =FFWPC=BF      
(back) Subject: RE: here we go, yet again From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:43:43 -0500   Alan, agreed! It does take more creativity, but less to choose from. = This organ I'm working with now doesn't have a lot of chances to mix stuff up a bit because of the way it was designed. It's great for Bach...but makes other types a little more challenging. Of course, I came off of playing a 34-rank Romantic organ...down to a 27 rank baroque.   Jeff   > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > Alan Freed > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 3:16 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: Re: here we go, yet again > > > On 9/12/03 4:01 PM, "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> wrote: > > > I'm having enough trouble being creative with 27 ranks! > > Jeff, how does that fit with what somebody told me (correctly?) > fifty years > ago, to the effect that it takes a lot MORE "creativity" to work with a > dozen or two ranks than with four or five dozen? > > Alan > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: RE: SOUND, *not* SIZE From: "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:44:51 -0500   You didn't mention couplers. :)   Jeff     > -----Original Message----- > From: pipechat@pipechat.org [mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org]On Behalf Of > quilisma@cox.net > Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 3:45 PM > To: PipeChat > Subject: SOUND, *not* SIZE > > > > > Jeff White wrote: > > Bud I'm not disputing your first sentence, but I will ask this > > question: why would I want just three ranks per division on a > > affordable pipe organ when I could have 75 "ranks" on an electronic = for > > the same price (in THEORY)? > > Um, just *maybe* PERHAPS because of the SOUND? (grin) > > > I think that's the point that was being made. Of course, if you plan > > ahead, you can always design a pipe organ to be expandable for the > > future, given the right space and architecture. No shame in working = up > > to 75 ranks over the years. However, that very small spec you gave > > would not work in a Lutheran church with a decent music > program. It's ok > > if all you do is play hymns and liturgy and SOME literature (ie the > > "village organist.") I'm having enough trouble being creative with 27 > > ranks! > > > > Regards, > > Jeff > > There's a small VERY high Lutheran church in a northern suburb of San > Diego that has a FULL choral service every Sunday. > > The organ: > > Manual > > 8' Flute > 4' Flute - 12 pipes > 2 2/3' Flute - borrowed > 2' Flute - 12 pipes > 1 3/5' Flute - borrowed > 1 1/3' Flute - borrowed > 1' Flute - 12 pipes > > Pedal > > 16' Bourdon - 12 pipes > 8' Flute - manual > 4' Flute - manual > > And that's IT ... no couplers, no tremulant, no expression, no pistons, > no crescendo. It plays THEIR service quick handily. It would be a LITTLE > more flexible if the manual stops were divided at middle c; they're not. > > Not what I would design, certainly; but it gets the job done. > > An organ built by a first-rate MASTER organ-builder, and voiced by a > MASTER voicer doesn't NEED 27 stops (chuckle). > > Now, back to that 7-stop organ ... what exactly WON'T it play? > > You have two choruses: > > Great Open Diapason + Octave > > If you couple the Swell Flutes 8-4 to the Great at 8-4, that gives you > Flutes 8-4-2 for a secondary chorus. Keep the box shut until you need > it; then throw off the Great Open and Octave and open the box. > > Cantus firmus: the Great 4' Octave played down an octave is very rich in > harmonics; accompanied by the Swell 8' Stopped Diapason it makes a > WONDERFUL solo stop for "O Man Bewail." > > About the only thing you CAN'T get TOO well is a trio registration; but > you CAN play a pedal cantus firmus on the Great Octave or Open > accompanied by the Swell 8-4 flutes. > > If it happens to be a model that had the Melodia, rather than the > Dulciana, you COULD play trios, thus: > > Swell - 8' Stopped Diapason - r.h. > Great - 8' Melodia - l.h. > Pedal - SWELL to Pedal > > So ... you can play Preludes and Fugues, Chorale-Preludes, and Trios. > > For slush, you can couple the Salicional at 8-4 to the Great (+ > tremulant), + the Great Dulciana, if it's that model (not affected by > the tremulant), which gives a nice not-too-much tremulant string sound. > > What's not generally understood about these old organs (unless you've > played one for a period of time) is the amount of harmonic development > in the individual stops, and the very gentle crescendo as one goes up > the scale ... that goes a LONG way toward compensating for the lack of > mixtures ... they're solid in the bass, and bright in the treble. > > True creativity is in the touch, phrasing, and articulation, and choice > of literature to fit the instrument, NOT in manipulating large handfuls > of mediocre stops (grin), whether wind-blown OR digital. > > English cathedral organs should be carefully studied. They accompany a > choral service FAR more complex than ANYTHING in the US, except for a > handful of churches, and do it with far fewer resources. > > I wish someone would find that marvelously economical Willis stop-list > ... the organ was demolished to make way for a Phelps (I think it was) > in one of the collegiate chapels in the UK. > > There are cathedral, collegiate chapel, and parish church organs in the > UK that aren't any larger than that Cavaille-Coll in Clervaux Abbey, and > they do it ALL. > > Cheers, > > Bud > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: Re: here we go, yet again From: <Gfc234@aol.com> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 00:59:29 EDT   In a message dated 9/12/2003 7:27:36 PM Central Daylight Time, bobelms@westnet.com.au writes: TWO ranks, Gregory?? You have got to be kidding!! Bob Elms No Bob, make it one, along with two good educated ears, and one soul.   Gregory Ceurvorst M.M. Organ Performance Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St. Peter's U.C.C. Frankfort, IL 847.332.2788 home 708.243.2549 mobile gfc234@aol.com