PipeChat Digest #3969 - Sunday, September 14, 2003
 
Re: GOD doesn't care; *I* care
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
- Re: Digital thread consolidation
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
wise old lady/was something else
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Small Organs from Keith
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Small Organs
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Re: Small Organs - Artiste
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
Geneology
  by <Kzimmer0817@aol.com>
Re: PipeChat Digest #3967 - 09/14/03
  by "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net>
Re: Geneology
  by <ContraReed@aol.com>
Re: Geneology
  by "Anya/Andreas" <atal@sympatico.ca>
Re: Geneology
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
Re: Geneology
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: Geneology
  by "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com>
Re: GOD doesn't care; *I* care
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: GOD doesn't care; *I* care
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Serious musicians and electronic devices
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: GOD doesn't care; *I* care
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
RE: The AGO's Function-long
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
Re: Spam Alert: Geneology
  by "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net>
Re: The AGO's Function-long
  by "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com>
 

(back) Subject: Re: GOD doesn't care; *I* care From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:54:19 EDT   In a message dated 9/14/2003 6:50:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, bobelms@westnet.com.au writes:   > Are you QUITE sure of that? I have CDs of some of the top organists > in the UK playing very good sounding large electronic organs which   Jeremy Filsell comes to mind as having recorded on a VISCOUNT digital and quite a recording it was.   In fact, every CD COS/the old Baldwin company has for demo purposes were = paid for BY THE ATRIST and not COS...may not be the only company that can claim =   that but might be.   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: - Re: Digital thread consolidation From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:56:49 EDT   In a message dated 9/14/2003 8:20:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, admin@pipechat.org writes:   > I know that we will never really resolve this issue, > there are always going to be two "camps" - we just all need to agree > to disagree! >   Wow. Now there is an idea.   Really sorry I missed an opportunity to meet you here in SRQ.   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: wise old lady/was something else From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 21:58:13 EDT   In a message dated 9/14/2003 8:33:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlhopper@msn.com writes:   > wise old lady in one of my former churches (a former pastor's wife of > several large churches in the D.C./VA area) said "if you love your > congregation, they'll love you back." I've found this to be true in all = of > my past and present places of service...including the benefits, = salaries, > and working conditions you describe. >   Hard to flame on this one. Love thy neighbor is like number two priority where I grew up....   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Small Organs from Keith From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:09:24 EDT   In a message dated 9/14/2003 8:08:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kzimmer0817@aol.com writes:   > Anyway, just my thoughts - as an amateur who dreams of playing a pipe = organ > in a church some day. > > Keith   wow Keith.   dale on Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Small Organs From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:12:50 EDT   In a message dated 9/14/2003 8:42:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, quilisma@cox.net writes:   > comparable electronic "substitute for a pipe organ" SHOULD have cost > $5,189.00 in 2002. Yet the SMALLEST church electronic substitute with an =   > AGO console and adequate speakers/amps will run you close to $20,000.00 > TODAY. > >   HMMM< this would not be correct.   You can get several for 15000 or under and some around 10000. 2 or 3 = manuals for under 20000 often with a 32. And celestes and enough stops to play = any service a lot of literature.   AGO of course and maybe if you ask nicely get a flat pedalboard which = makes The Old Rugged Cross and Lift High the Cross much more life like<G>.   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Re: Small Organs - Artiste From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:14:09 EDT   In a message dated 9/14/2003 8:17:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Kzimmer0817@aol.com writes:   > If voicing is everything (almost), why couldn't these organs be mass > produced - at least in a couple configurations for different sized = sanctuaries? > They could then be voiced onsite. >   Is anyone doing this besides Wicks and the resurrected Forward 4 line up = of organs?   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: Geneology From: <Kzimmer0817@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:51:03 EDT   List,   Just had a curious tho't. Are there those around now - and there should = be - who are the direct great+ grandchildren of J.S. Bach or Mozart, or the = other great masters. If so, who are these people? Have they made contributions = to the world of music either in composition or performance?   Keith    
(back) Subject: Re: PipeChat Digest #3967 - 09/14/03 From: "Walter Greenwood" <walterg@nauticom.net> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:54:19 -0400   Bud,   You are wise, and absolutely correct in your statements, but your answer = is right because you changed the question. Surely two manuals ARE enough for the = average organist and the average church service. Paraphrasing the original post: = "Here is a nice two manual organ. I can play anything on it." My response was = "There is a lot of music you cannot play properly on it." I stand by that absolutely. It = is not big enough or flexible enough for much of what I play for both services and = recitals. If this makes me not average, I can live with that. If you choose not to = play a particular work, or to adapt it to an organ inadequate for its proper realization, = that is your choice.   -WG     > Subject: Re: Small organs > From: <quilisma@cox.net> > Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:40:45 -0700 > > ...   > > Conclusion: the average American parish church doesn't NEED an organ > that will play all the pieces in L'Orgue Mystique. > > NOTHING in Bach requires more than two manuals. > > Yes, some of the big Franck is hard to manage on two manuals without a > registrant, who has to constantly change the Great stops to simulate the > presence of a Positif. > > BUT ... the pieces in Franck's L'Organiste DON'T require three manuals. > Neither do the harmonium pieces of Boellman, Dubois, etc. They DO > require reading the preface to understand what PITCHES to draw to > simulate the registers of the French harmonium. > > I keep trying to make the point that the AVERAGE organist isn't going to > play Tournemire, Franck Chorals, Widor Symphonies, etc., and MOST > organists *are* AVERAGE organists who play in the AVERAGE Protestant > church. > >    
(back) Subject: Re: Geneology From: <ContraReed@aol.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:59:19 EDT   In a message dated 9/14/03 10:52:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Kzimmer0817@aol.com writes:   << Just had a curious tho't. Are there those around now - and there = should be - who are the direct great+ grandchildren of J.S. Bach or Mozart, >>   I believe that in the two cases you mentioned, that there are no direct descendents. (Of course I'm probably wrong, but I think that fact jumped = out at me from an article I read several years ago).  
(back) Subject: Re: Geneology From: "Anya/Andreas" <atal@sympatico.ca> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:22:43 -0400   It seems to me that a descendant of Pachelbel (son?) came to the U.S. = and settled somewhere on the east coast. I did a white pages search some = time ago, and indeed there are Pachelbels listed (in N.Carolina, I = believe). It might be interesting to find out how connected they are to = their illustrious ancestor!   Andreas Thiel St. Marys, Ontario ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kzimmer0817@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:51 PM Subject: Geneology     List,   Just had a curious tho't. Are there those around now - and there = should be - who are the direct great+ grandchildren of J.S. Bach or = Mozart, or the other great masters. If so, who are these people? Have = they made contributions to the world of music either in composition or = performance?   Keith  
(back) Subject: Re: Geneology From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:14:14 -0700   Didn't the "New York Pachelbel" write a Magnificat, possibly for double chorus?   Cheers,   Bud   Anya/Andreas wrote:   > It seems to me that a descendant of Pachelbel (son?) came to the U.S. > and settled somewhere on the east coast. I did a white pages search some =   > time ago, and indeed there are Pachelbels listed (in N.Carolina, I > believe). It might be interesting to find out how connected they are to > their illustrious ancestor! > > Andreas Thiel > St. Marys, Ontario > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kzimmer0817@aol.com <mailto:Kzimmer0817@aol.com> > To: pipechat@pipechat.org <mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org> > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:51 PM > Subject: Geneology > > List, > > Just had a curious tho't. Are there those around now - and there > should be - who are the direct great+ grandchildren of J.S. Bach or > Mozart, or the other great masters. If so, who are these people? > Have they made contributions to the world of music either in > composition or performance? > > Keith      
(back) Subject: Re: Geneology From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:11:07 -0500   Kzimmer0817@aol.com wrote:   > List, > > Just had a curious tho't. Are there those around now - and there > should be - who are the direct great+ grandchildren of J.S. Bach or > Mozart, or the other great masters. If so, who are these people? > Have they made contributions to the world of music either in > composition or performance? > I know a young man named Joshua Bach. He is not actually directly descended from Johann Sebastian, but he is a direct descendent of Johann Christoph Bach (1642-1703), first cousin of JSB's father. He is quite musical and has belonged to quite a successful rock group, although he hasn't exactly achieved world fame yet.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: Geneology From: "John L. Speller" <jlspeller@mindspring.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 22:24:12 -0500   quilisma@cox.net wrote:   > Didn't the "New York Pachelbel" write a Magnificat, possibly for > double chorus? > > Cheers, > > Bud > > Anya/Andreas wrote: > >> It seems to me that a descendant of Pachelbel (son?) came to the U.S. >> and settled somewhere on the east coast. >   Carl Theodore Pachelbel, son of Johann Pachelbel, came to the U.S. and was successively organist of the Episcopal churches in Newport, R.I. and Charleston, S.C. I knew of some of his descendents living in Lancaster County, Pa., but they were not as far as I know particularly musical.   John Speller      
(back) Subject: Re: GOD doesn't care; *I* care From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:41:49 -0400   Then strike his name form the list=2E Latry and Roth don't play electrics=   and they are probalby the two best in the world=2E Hakim is more of a composer than an organist anyways=2E   Andrew   Original Message: ----------------- From: Jonathan Orwig giwro@adelphia=2Enet Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:22:36 -0700 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Re: GOD doesn't care; *I* care     uhhh=2E=2E=2E=20   Bad example   Seem to remember Naji HAKIM playing the Allen Cavaille-Coll clone at AGO National in Seattle=2E=2E=2E   Might wanna check them facts   <grin> ----- Original Message -----=20 From: <ameagher@stny=2Err=2Ecom> To: <pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 10:42 PM Subject: Re: GOD doesn't care; *I* care     > (5) As I said earlier, no OTHER serious musicians play an electronic=20 > substitute=2E=20 > I don't see Rostropovitch playing an electronic 'cello=2E   You also don't see the best organists in the world i=2Ee=2E Olivier Latry,=   Daniel Roth, Naji Hakim=2E=2Eetc playing electric imitations=2E         --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free=2E Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www=2Egrisoft=2Ecom)=2E Version: 6=2E0=2E518 / Virus Database: 316 - Release Date: 9/11/03 "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: Re: GOD doesn't care; *I* care From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:45:20 -0400   E=2E Power Biggs was not at the same level as Latry and Roth=2E Not a goo= d comparison=2E He didn't even do improvisation and doesn't even play Bach very well=2E His recordings of Bach are sloppy and use poor baroque articulation=2E   Andrew   Original Message: ----------------- Wrom: VIBGDADRZFSQHYUCDDJBLVLMHAALPT Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 18:52:57 +0800 To: giwro@adelphia=2Enet, pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Re: GOD doesn't care; *I* care     Yes , and I have a vinyl here of E=2E Power Biggs playing an Allen way back when the Allen did not sound much like a pipe organ=2E Bob Elms=2E   ---- Original Message ---- Wrom: CXLYRWTQTIPWIGYOKS To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Re: GOD doesn't care; *I* care Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 23:22:36 -0700   >uhhh=2E=2E=2E=20 > >Bad example > >Seem to remember Naji HAKIM playing >the Allen Cavaille-Coll clone at AGO National in Seattle=2E=2E=2E > >Might wanna check them facts > >   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: Re: Serious musicians and electronic devices From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:53:31 -0400   I'll bet he got paid out the wazoo to play that Sebastian=2E   Andrew   Original Message: ----------------- From: TubaMagna@aol=2Ecom Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:43:40 -0400 (EDT) To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Re: Serious musicians and electronic devices     Yes, Naji Hakin did, in fact, demonstrate a simulated organ at an AGO=20 convention=2E I wonder who sponsored his trip, and what the nature of his compensation may,=20 or may not, have been=2E And I hope that he is not suffering too much playing his Cavaille-Coll on = a=20 daily basis=2E "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: Re: GOD doesn't care; *I* care From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 23:55:08 -0400   Walter,   As I said Allen probably paid him out the wazoo to do that=2E   Andrew   Original Message: ----------------- From: Walter Greenwood walterg@nauticom=2Enet Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:36:29 -0400 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Re: GOD doesn't care; *I* care     Thank you, Jonathan=2E Not only has Naji Hakim performed on it, he has recorded on it, and the CD is absolutely stunning=2E I have played it, too, and it=   sounds better in person than on the recording=2E And actually, Bud, a lot of serious musicians play electronic "substitutes" on a regular basis=2E   In case y'all are starting to wonder, I don't work for Allen=2E   -WG     > "Jonathan Orwig" <giwro@adelphia=2Enet> wrote > > uhhh=2E=2E=2E > > Bad example > > Seem to remember Naji HAKIM playing > the Allen Cavaille-Coll clone at AGO National in Seattle=2E=2E=2E > > Might wanna check them facts > > <grin> > > From: <ameagher@stny=2Err=2Ecom> > > > (5) As I said earlier, no OTHER serious musicians play an electronic > > substitute=2E > > You also don't see the best organists in the world i=2Ee=2E Olivier Latr= y, > Daniel Roth, Naji Hakim=2E=2Eetc playing electric imitations=2E   "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: RE: The AGO's Function-long From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:03:00 -0400   I agree with eerything you siad but it certainly sounds like it's time for=   you to move on to a new job=2E   Andrew   Original Message: ----------------- Wrom: SCRTNHGSWZIDREX Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 16:07:57 -0400 (EDT) To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: The AGO's Function-long     I recently sent an email to the AGO national headquarters concerning the AGO=20 placing a clause in its documents concerning compensation for Easter, Holy= =20 Week, Christmas, Christmas Eve etc=2E=2E=2E=2E services, so that part time=   musicians=20 aren't taken advantage of=2E I stated that most churches that employ part=   time=20 music directors and organists hardly EVER pay them for the holiday work, and=20 include it as part of their "contract"=2E The problem with this is that after a=20 dir/organist, like me plays all of these extra services, he has spent at least 50=20 hours preparing everything, rehearsing the choir, driving, playing etc=2E=20=   Now,=20 when you have a 10 hour per week job like me, that translates into 5 weeks=   of=20 work, for free=2E I don't know of any other profession that makes its employees=20 work for free, especially during the holidays=2E Do you? The pastor at m= y=20 previous position responded by saying, "I have to do it too=2E" What he didn't say=20 was that he was making 80+thosand per year, plus benefits for his wife and=   4=20 kids=2E I was making no benefits, 10, 500-minus taxes, minus gas-and am a= n=20 organ major in college=2E How am I supposed to buy my family and friends their=20 gifts? How am I supposed to pay my mortgage? When you really think about=   it, 2=20 or 3 thousand dollars more for the organist is peanuts to a well-off church=2E =20 But to an organist, its 3 months worth of bills-paid=2E Enough of my=20 whining=2E=2EI'm sure everyone gets the point, and has probably gotten, or= is being abused=20 in the same manner-Basically, National responded by saying something to th= e=20 effect of, "Its a shame that so many churches take advantage of their musicians,=20 but we don't like to get involved with the church" That left me saying to= =20 myself, "Then what's the point?" What do these salary charts and guidelines=20 exist for? So that church committees can blatantly ignore them, and still=   get=20 music whenever they please?   I feel that it is our duty, as educated, respectable, responsible, =20 professional citizens and organists, to stand up for our rights as educate= d and=20 professional people, with college degrees, and a PROFESSION that pays our=   bills=2E I=20 don't know about you, but I'm getting sick of playing for free on the=20 holidays, especially when I hear about all my string and brass playing friends, and=20 SUBSTITUTE organists making 5 and 6 hundred dollars per service=2E Should= n't we,=20 as the providers of music for every Sunday of the year be entitled to wage= s=20 on these family holidays too? Don't we deserve it, for our countless hour= s of=20 faithful practice, and performance every week?   Basically, I wish that our AGO membership dollars would actually go toward= s=20 enforcing these established guidelines, like a union would=2E We need to form a=20 united front, so that being a church musician in the AGO just doesn't mean= =20 getting a magazine each month, but that it means that we get salaries that=   are in=20 accordance to the salary chart, and that we are paid for our time during the=20 holidays=2E Would anyone consider drafting and signing a petition? We ha= ve the=20 power here to start a reform, so that we are no longer taken advantage of=2E= =20 We deserve to be compensated for our time and expertise=2E Lets give it a=   shot! =20 Please let me know what you think of this letter=2E If I get enough posit= ive=20 feedback, I may try to get it posted in the TAO, and in local chapter=20 newsletters=2E Of course, revisions will have to be made=2E I am open fo= r suggestions=2E   Very sincerely,   Gregory Ceurvorst M=2EM=2E Organ Performance Student Northwestern University Director of Music and Organist St=2E Peter's U=2EC=2EC=2E Frankfort, IL 847=2E332=2E2788 home 708=2E243=2E2549 mobile gfc234@aol=2Ecom     -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E      
(back) Subject: Re: Spam Alert: Geneology From: "Malcolm Wechsler" <manderusa@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:02:07 -0400   Hi Keith and List,   I can't offer up a relative, but I got a kind of historic buzz from = reading a piece, New Yorker, I think, about Lorenzo da Ponte, who was = librettist for Mozart's Figaro, Cosi, and Don Giovanni. Of course, = Mozart died in 1791, but da Ponte lived on until 1838, and taught at = Columbia University in New York. I did get a kind of eerie feeling from = the idea of him walking the same streets of the Upper West Side that I = walked when I was working up there.   Cheers,   Malcolm ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Kzimmer0817@aol.com=20 To: pipechat@pipechat.org=20 Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 10:51 PM Subject: Spam Alert: Geneology     List,   Just had a curious tho't. Are there those around now - and there = should be - who are the direct great+ grandchildren of J.S. Bach or = Mozart, or the other great masters. If so, who are these people? Have = they made contributions to the world of music either in composition or = performance?   Keith  
(back) Subject: Re: The AGO's Function-long From: "ameagher@stny.rr.com" <ameagher@stny.rr.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 00:06:15 -0400   Where are these $100k rectors? None of the pastors I have ever worked under made anywhere near that=2E They all made about $35,000 a year with benefits=2E   Andrew   Original Message: ----------------- Wrom: ULHPQQWOYIYZUNNYC Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2003 13:27:59 -0700 To: pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Subject: Re: The AGO's Function-long     HEAR! HEAR! Gregory! GO FOR IT!   I'LL SIGN, in BLOOD if it'll do any good (chuckle)=2E   At St=2E Matt's, the rector made right around $100K per annum, plus perks=2E= =20 I made $34K, plus manipulating a FEW things (LEGALLY) so they were taken=20=   out and paid pre-tax, but NO perks=2E   He and the Vestry concluded that I was OVERPAID=2E   I've been agitating for a church musicians' union for DECADES; every=20 time I bring it up, I get called a money-grubbing, cynical "union=20 musician", or worse=2E   So be it=2E   "Do it for GOD," they say=2E   Right=2E   The Rector of St=2E Joseph's RC Cathedral in San Diego, sitting across=20 from me behind his $10K fruitwood desk in his air-conditioned rectory,=20 once offered me the "spiritual privilege" of being organist/choirmaster=20=   at the cathedral for the munificent sum of $5K per annum, no benefits =2E=2E= =2E   =2E=2E=2E you know the drill: chain the organist to the console with a slo= p=20 bucket handy so he can play a dozen Masses every weekend without having=20=   to use the restroom (!) =2E=2E=2E   "Monsignor, San Diego Gas and Electric does NOT accept novenas or=20 Rosaries in payment of my gas and electric bill=2E   Neither does Safeway=2E   Have a nice day=2E"   Exit Bud, stage left=2E   Cheers,   Yr=2E Humble Servant (NOT!)   Gfc234@aol=2Ecom wrote:   > Basically, I wish that our AGO membership dollars would actually go > towards enforcing these established guidelines, like a union would=2E W= e=20 > need to form a united front, so that being a church musician in the AGO=20=   > just doesn't mean getting a magazine each month, but that it means that=20=   > we get salaries that are in accordance to the salary chart, and that we=20=   > are paid for our time during the holidays=2E Would anyone consider=20 > drafting and signing a petition? We have the power here to start a=20 > reform, so that we are no longer taken advantage of=2E We deserve to be= =20 > compensated for our time and expertise=2E Lets give it a shot! Please=20=   > let me know what you think of this letter=2E If I get enough positive=20=   > feedback, I may try to get it posted in the TAO, and in local chapter=20=   > newsletters=2E Of course, revisions will have to be made=2E I am open = for=20 > suggestions=2E > =20 > Very sincerely, > =20 > Gregory Ceurvorst > M=2EM=2E Organ Performance Student > Northwestern University > Director of Music and Organist > St=2E Peter's U=2EC=2EC=2E Frankfort, IL > 847=2E332=2E2788 home > 708=2E243=2E2549 mobile > gfc234@aol=2Ecom <http://gfc234@aol=2Ecom/>     "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics HOMEPAGE : http://www=2Epipechat=2Eorg List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat=2Eorg Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat=2Eorg Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat=2Eorg       -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web=2Ecom/ =2E