PipeChat Digest #3973 - Monday, September 15, 2003
 
A Hymn for every occasion
  by "Fran Walker" <fwalker@northwestern.edu>
Butler/Young/Flute music
  by "Fran Walker" <fwalker@northwestern.edu>
RE: Butler/Young/Flute music
  by "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@msn.com>
Re: Hammond organs.....real or Memorex?????
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: Small Organs
  by "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com>
Re: Small Organs
  by "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net>
RE: Out of the closet!
  by "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk>
Re: here we go, yet again
  by "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com>
RE: Out of the closet!
  by "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com>
Re: Naji Hakim (was: GOD doesn't care; *I* care)
  by "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org>
Re: Out of the closet!
  by "chemphill" <chemphill@wi.rr.com>
Re: Hammond organs.....real or Memorex?????
  by <Keys4bach@aol.com>
RE: Naji Hakim (was: GOD doesn't care; *I* care)
  by "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@msn.com>
used pipe organs
  by <quilisma@cox.net>
 

(back) Subject: A Hymn for every occasion From: "Fran Walker" <fwalker@northwestern.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:37:13 -0500     >A Hymn for every occasion > >The minister was preoccupied with thoughts of how, after the worship >service, he was going to ask the congregation to come up with more money >than they were expecting for repairs to the church building. Therefore, = he >was annoyed to find that the regular organist was sick and a substitute >had been brought in at the last minute. The substitute wanted to know = what >to play. "Here's a copy of the service," he said impatiently. "But you'll =   >have to think of something to play after I make the announcement about = the >finances." > >During the service, the minister paused and said, "Brothers and Sisters, >we are in great difficulty; the roof repairs cost twice as much as we >expected, and we need $4,000 more. Any of you who can pledge $100 or = more, >please stand up." At that moment, the substitute organist played "The >Star-Spangled Banner." And that is how the substitute became the regular >organist! > >HYMNS FOR ALL THINGS: > >The Dentist's Hymn:.....................Crown Him with Many Crowns > >The Weatherman's Hymn............There Shall Be Showers of Blessings > >The Contractor's Hymn:...............The Church's One Foundation > >The Tailor's Hymn:.......................Holy,Holy, Holy > >The Golfer's Hymn:......................There's a Green Hill Far Away > >The Politician's Hymn:.................Standing on the Promises > >The Optometrist's Hymn:..............Open My Eyes That I Might See > >The IRS Agent's Hymn:.............. Surrender All > >The Gossip's H hymn:.. ...............Pass It On > >The Electrician's Hymn:...............Send The Light > >The Shopper's Hymn:..................Sweet By and By > >The Realtor's Hymn:.....................I've Got a Mansion, Just Over the =   >Hilltop > >The Massage Therapists Hymn....He Touched Me > >The Doctor's Hymn:.....................The Great Physician > >AND for those who speed on the highway - a few hymns: > >-----45mph....................God Will Take Care of You > >-----55mph.......... ........ Guide Me, O Thou Great Jehovah > >-----65mph....................Nearer My God To Thee > >-----75mph....................Nearer Still Nearer > >-----85mph....................This World Is Not My Home > >-----95mph....................Lord, I'm Coming Home > >-----Over 100mph..........Precious Memories     ************************************************** Fran Walker (fwalker@northwestern.edu) Organist, North Shore United Methodist Church Glencoe, IL 847-835-1227        
(back) Subject: Butler/Young/Flute music From: "Fran Walker" <fwalker@northwestern.edu> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:50:50 -0500   Does anyone know where I can order:   Eugene Butler's "Toccata" in "Organ Album"?   AND   Gordon Young: Twelve Compositions, Flammer 5097?   AND CAN ANYONE PLEASE SUGGEST SOME NICE (SACRED) PIECES FOR FLUTE/ORGAN OR =   FLUTE/PIANO, SUCH AS ARRANGEMENTS OF HYMNS? AND WHERE I CAN ORDER THIS = MUSIC?   THANX, EVERYONE, FOR YOUR HELP.   YOU GUYS ARE THE *BEST! ;-)   Fran   Fran Walker (fwalker@northwestern.edu) Organist, North Shore United Methodist Church Glencoe, IL 847-835-1227 http://www.gbgm-umc.org/northshoreumc/      
(back) Subject: RE: Butler/Young/Flute music From: "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@msn.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:11:25 -0400   Fran--   The Butler Album for Organ is printed by the Sacred Music Press and was still in print as of last year. You might try Brodt Music at (800) 438-4129. They have a huge in-stock selection of organ music, including things that are now out of print.   I use the Butler toccata now & then for a quick "flash-and-trash" = postlude! :)    
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond organs.....real or Memorex????? From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:19:57 -0400   At 04:13 PM 2003-09-14 -0400, you wrote: >There has been some interesting discussion about the "new" digital >Hammonds vs. the "real" tonewheel models. I just want to add my few = cents >worth..... > >I grew up on several tonewheel models....my piano teacher had a C3 in her =   >home and growing up, I had an A100 in my house. I have heard and played >the new digital ones, too. Maybe I'm just sentimental about growing up >with a "real" Hammond, but there is just something more authentic about >the real sound. It has a richness that the digitals can't simulate. Not >to mention the authentic key click and motor noise. The new ones just >seem to be a mere shadow of the real thing. To me, they seem cheap all >the way around....from a fake Leslie effect, to cheap feeling keys, to a >simulated sound, to a cheap feeling case. Let's be honest = here....digital >organs are mass produced so there is a cost savings in the "guts" of the >instrument. The manufacturers can make a quick buck by scrimping on the >consoles. They use cheap keys and lesser quality wood, or even use >particle board or laminates with a wood veneer because it's cheaper than >using the real thing. The only mass-produced digital organ console I've >played lately that remotely compared to a pipe organ console was an = Allen, >and we know price-wise they don't come cheap. Most of the other digital >builders are cutting corners in the console department because they can >save money in production. I would guess that Hammond is no different. = My >guess would be that the consoles are less sturdily contructed today than >before more for profit margin reasons than for reasons of >transportability. If I had my druthers, I'd choose to play an old = Hammond >(a real tonewheel model) over the digital ones being produced today by >Suzuki for all the reasons above. > >Monty Bennett     Hi,   Monty, I am no expert in Hammonds, but I can tell you the following, based =   on my observations with helping with an installation of a new Hammond XC-3A, a church model, clone of the original C-3, which was installed with =   2 Leslie speakers.   The organ, to me sounded a lot like the original, probably due to the fact =   that the speakers were Leslies, with rotor horns, tube amplifier etc. I thought it worked very well, the sound being quite authentic, and also filling the room nicely. This organ also has a sound module in it, which can also make it sound like a more classical sounding instrument. All in all, I must say I was impressed, at least by the sound. I don't know anything about the reliability or durability of these instruments however. I did notice, the console is NOT the same quality as the = original organ.   I was told by the Hammond rep. that I helped, that the "NEW" B-3, that = they introduced just recently, is a more exact replica of the original B-3, = both in terms of sound simulation, and also the quality of the cabinet is much better. I have no way to verify this without actually seeing one, and trying it out.   I was told that of late Hammond sales have gone up significantly, this = year they are up over 25% from last year. The same fellow told me, it is because, a number of B-3s (original), are starting to bite the dust, and there are not enough really good ones around anymore to satisfy demand. I =   don't think Hammond is selling very many Hammond-Content, the classical models at all from what he said, so Allen and Rodgers don't need to worry about them.   If it is true that Hammond sales are up, this is in contrast with Allen, where sales are down 25% this year, and I have heard that Rodgers is down significantly as well.   Maybe, churches are buying pipe organs instead. Or maybe they are buying keyboards. Or maybe they can't afford to buy anything.   Arie V.   P.S. I have no affiliation with Hammond whatsoever. I was just asked to help install a Hammond in a church.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263  
(back) Subject: Re: Small Organs From: "James R McFarland" <mcfarland6@juno.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:22:05 -0400     In 1900 a good wage for a skilled worker was about 10 cents an hour. Pipe organs just might be the most labor intensive product out there. According to the logic expressed below, I should be making about $2.00 per hour. 'nuff said.   Jim       On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 Bud wrote: >[...] Somebody who actually has the Estey catalog please check my numbers, >but for purposes of argument let's say a Estey Model L stock pipe organ, six >complete manual stops and one complete pedal stop, cost $1000 in 1900. >Adjusted for inflation according to the Consumer Price Index, that same >organ SHOULD have cost $20,756.01 in 2002. Yet a seven-stop pipe organ >TODAY costs closer to $140,000.00.   On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 20:11:47 -0500 "firman1" <firman1@prodigy.net> writes: > Regarding costs of organs.... Aren't wages/pricing dependent on the > whims of "guilds/unions " ? It's no different than the cost of a new car ... > Who really believes that the actual cost of a chevy or dodge or ford is > upward of 28,000.00 for a basically stock model ? Unions in all professions > are now causing more harm than good . B.A.F. > > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related > topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > > >  
(back) Subject: Re: Small Organs From: "Paul Valtos" <chercapa@enter.net> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:20:25 -0400   Dear Richard, One way for the organ world to go is unit, rank module. Each rank is built on its own chest, and then assembled according to the wishes of the customer. That employs the builders workmen full time on assembly of = chests and pipes. Ribbon wire from all chests to a point where they are joined at the console. In addition many pipes have identical feet so pipes can be switched from one chest to another if there is a shortage of a rank in demand. Organ cases limited to five styles where panels can be = interchanged to make up five different cases. There are many ways where the organ building industry can follow the auto building industry. Custom organs = built under certain limitations. Lets face it. A stopped diapason of 61 pipes sounds like a stopped diapason in a case whether it be on a large chest or = a unit chest. I know ther are fallacies in this thinking but it is worth a shot.I hate to see pipe organ builders die out because they can't be competitive. Paul                       ----- Original Message ----- From: "F Richard Burt" <effarbee@verizon.net> To: "PipeChat" <pipechat@pipechat.org> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Small Organs     > Hello, Bud: > > You asked a reasonable question: > > > Why has organ-building, both pipe and "other", FAR outstripped > > the rate of inflation? > > This is not exclusive to organbuilding. The farmer produces > a gallon of milk. The price that he gets for it may barely > pay for his production costs, ...if he is lucky. > > The retail store gets at least $1.00 in their pocket, the > difference between what they pay for it to put it on the > shelves and the price we pay at the cash register. That, > too, is outrageous inflation. > > So, let's don't be too quick to say that organbuilding has > FAR outstripped the rate of inflation. > > The real question facing the organbuilders is a viable > distribution system. Someone has to convince a church to > buy the organs (however built) and someone has to install > and tonally finish them. Showroom dealers for pipe organs, > so I have been told, have been limited to a handful of > well-financed music merchants, ...such as Lyon & Healy (sp?) > of the past. > > IF there were a viable distribution system in place, and it > worked to the financial benefit of an organbuilding factory, > some organbuilder would do it. Organbuilders, those who > make a reasonable return on their investment and stay in > business, are also smart businessmen. I believe they have > not seen any viable business opportunity in developing a > business of mass-produced organs, ...or have I missed something > in this picture? > > F. Richard Burt > > > . > > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > >    
(back) Subject: RE: Out of the closet! From: "Colin Mitchell" <cmys13085@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:44:49 -0700 (PDT)   Hello,   Are you one of us? They would often ask.   "No, I'm one of them", I would reply.   "Don't you just feel God's spirit here?" They would ask.   "No, I am cold and my fingers will not move", I would reply.   "Are you a disciple?" They would ask   "I am a disciple of Bach", I would reply.   Clearly, I didn't fit in or even connect with the language. I gave them music, and they gave me empty rhetoric.   I was listening to the BBC Tv programme "Songs of praise" on Sunday....how refreshing to hear an honest answer for once.   "The sixteen" ( a superb singing group) had been performing Bach's choral music at the Edinburgh Festival.....and boy it was brilliant music-making!   Aled Jones, interviewing two of the "Sixteen" (an eighth by any other name).   "Don't you feel the presence of God when you sing Bach?"   "No...I am too busy getting the notes and the balance right.....that is my job"   "Doesn't the music take over sometimes?"   "No.....Music is my bread and butter"   "Do you feel a sense of worship when you sing Bach?"   "No......I prefer simple music when I worship"   WHAT IS IT WITH THESE PEOPLE?   They always want people to be like them.   WHY CAN'T I BE JUST LIKE ME???????   At least, I could meet them halfway and reply, "Well, I'm just one of those actually"   Regards,   Colin Mitchell UK     --- "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@msn.com> wrote: > Bud wrote... > > >>I'm not PRIMARILY in church music because of God, > or my faith, or > >>anything else; I happen to LIKE church music; I > CHOOSE to make my LIVING > >>doing church music     __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com  
(back) Subject: Re: here we go, yet again From: "Douglas A. Campbell" <dougcampbell@juno.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:25:22 -0400     On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:52:04 -0500 "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> writes: Suppose a church has the desire to get a pipe organ (leaving electronics out). Is > there any reason to not pursue a brand new instrument over a previously owned?       Jeff,   From my research, I have concluded that a instrument of 30-50 ranks can be obtained "used", reconstructed and reinstalled, such that it is mechanically "like new" for about 60% of the cost of a similar instrument built new. In *some* cases the savings could be much, much more.       > What makes a new pipe organ so darned expensive?? Can't be the "computer" > components of the combination action, relays, etc....those prices are always > falling. Is it because of the customization work? > It is precisely because every part of the new instrument must be made by hand. If, for example, a builder could somehow make all "GREAT" chests identical, production costs would drop. But that, of course, is simply not possible since every instrument is unique. Although CADD/CAM can help improve productivity, there is still a tremendous amount of the instrument that will always have to be very labor intensive hand work.         Douglas A. Campbell Skaneateles, NY   ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!  
(back) Subject: RE: Out of the closet! From: "Arie Vandenberg" <ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:57:19 -0400   At 08:44 AM 2003-09-15 -0700, you wrote: >Hello, > >Are you one of us? They would often ask. > >"No, I'm one of them", I would reply. > >"Don't you just feel God's spirit here?" They would >ask. > >"No, I am cold and my fingers will not move", I would >reply. > >"Are you a disciple?" They would ask > >"I am a disciple of Bach", I would reply. > >Clearly, I didn't fit in or even connect with the >language. I gave them music, and they gave me empty >rhetoric. > >I was listening to the BBC Tv programme "Songs of >praise" on Sunday....how refreshing to hear an honest >answer for once. > >"The sixteen" ( a superb singing group) had been >performing Bach's choral music at the Edinburgh >Festival.....and boy it was brilliant music-making! > >Aled Jones, interviewing two of the "Sixteen" (an >eighth by any other name). > >"Don't you feel the presence of God when you sing >Bach?" > >"No...I am too busy getting the notes and the balance >right.....that is my job" > >"Doesn't the music take over sometimes?" > >"No.....Music is my bread and butter" > >"Do you feel a sense of worship when you sing Bach?" > >"No......I prefer simple music when I worship" > >WHAT IS IT WITH THESE PEOPLE? > >They always want people to be like them. > >WHY CAN'T I BE JUST LIKE ME??????? > >At least, I could meet them halfway and reply, "Well, >I'm just one of those actually" > >Regards, > >Colin Mitchell UK > > >--- "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@msn.com> wrote: > > Bud wrote... > > > > >>I'm not PRIMARILY in church music because of God, > > or my faith, or > > >>anything else; I happen to LIKE church music; I > > CHOOSE to make my LIVING > > >>doing church music   Hi,   I often wonder why churches hire musicians, organists, soloists, who just are there for the music, do not care for or about the faith, pontificate about what is right and wrong about church music, etc.   Surely the church's chief business is the Great Commission, in other words =   the message of redemption through Jesus Christ, not to be a concert hall, or employ musicians who are otherwise unemployable.   If you are an agnostic, atheist, or non-religious, maybe should setup some =   kind of organization, club or whatever, and do whatever pleases you, and = do it to the glory of yourselves.   In churches, surely, everything should be done to the glory of God, not merely for a paycheck, or for your own enjoyment.   Just my thoughts............   Arie V.   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Arie Vandenberg Classic Organbuilders ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com Tel.: 905-475-1263      
(back) Subject: Re: Naji Hakim (was: GOD doesn't care; *I* care) From: "TommyLee Whitlock" <tommylee@whitlock.org> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:32:23 -0400   > Then strike his name form the list. Latry and Roth don't play electrics > and they are probalby the two best in the world. Hakim is more of a > composer than an organist anyways.   Hmmm. Check Naji Hakim's biographies. For example, at this web site: http://www.ump.co.uk/hakim.htm   A short quote from the site: He was organist of the Basilique du Sacr=E9-Coeur, Paris=20 from 1985 until 1993, when he succeeded Olivier Messiaen at=20 the Eglise de la Trinit=E9. A player of exceptional virtuosity,=20 he is much in demand as a recitalist, improviser and teacher,=20 with engagements for concerts and masterclasses taking him all=20 over the world.=20   I had the privilege of hearing him perform at the Region III AGO = Convention this year, and attended his master class. His easy, gallic = wit charmed the entire group and his performance was stellar. =20 Judging from the number of organ competions that he's won and = the prestigeous posts he's held, I think he's earned his reputation as = an organist. And while he is billed now as an organist/composer/= improviser, it seems a bit cavalier to dismiss him as an organist. =20   TommyLee Whitlock Reston, VA =20      
(back) Subject: Re: Out of the closet! From: "chemphill" <chemphill@wi.rr.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:36:32 -0500   Oh, okay, for what it is worth, here is my two cents.   I agree with Arie's last comments regarding church musicians and faith. Granted, few opportunities exist for church music outside of church, or = even for the playing of classical music by classical musicians, yet; is the average church better off with a technically superior organist over one = who is not so talented but faith-filled? There are many of us, blessed with talent and Faith in Jesus, that do play every Sunday.   I do not fault anyone, with talent, that chooses to play in a church in order to earn a living. I am a firm believer that unless the message is heard, it can't open hardened hearts. And many churches still lack for quality musicianship. However, one thing my organ teacher taught me that = was my most valuable lesson ever, a lesson that all of us already know- -A musician who has the greatest of technical skill is only a = musician. But a musician who has the greatest of skill and plays with their soul behind every note, is an artist.   Many are musician's, few are truly artists. That soul may not have a = "Faith" behind it, but most often it does. For me, music, especially my organ = music, is my deepest prayer. When I play, I pray. The congregation knows when I = am not there, even though, the substitute played well. There is a difference.   Tina Hemphill St. Joan of Arc Church Nashotah, WI Former Student of Mallory Bransford.    
(back) Subject: Re: Hammond organs.....real or Memorex????? From: <Keys4bach@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 12:48:53 EDT   In a message dated 9/15/2003 11:27:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ArieV@ClassicOrgan.com writes:   > The same fellow told me, it is because, a number of B-3s (original), are =   > starting to bite the dust, and there are not enough really good ones = around > anymore to satisfy demand. I don't think Hammond is selling very many > Hammond-Content, the classical   because they wrecked all the old ones they can find and dont support = anything else. Yamaha does this as well as Roland on keyboards and older home = organs.   as to the content organs, people who want Hammonds want Hammonds and not pretend Digital classics.......   having played em-----   dale in Florida    
(back) Subject: RE: Naji Hakim (was: GOD doesn't care; *I* care) From: "Mark L. Hopper" <mlhopper@msn.com> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:20:25 -0400     > Hakim is more of a > composer than an organist anyways.   Hmmm...Langlais didn't agree with that statement...  
(back) Subject: used pipe organs From: <quilisma@cox.net> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:16:11 -0700   Although there ARE a handful of MASTER organ-builders and MASTER voicers active today, you're pretty much going to pay top dollar for their work, with one or two younger exceptions ... bless their hearts, they think they can live on idealism (grin) ... but the work AND MATERIALS of previous generations will NEVER be surpassed; you can choose from just about any sound/action you want:   English late baroque - Appleton what American Classic SHOULD have been (grin) - Johnson, Hook and Hastings, MANY others Victorian English Romantic - Roosevelt Orchestral/Romantic - E.M. Skinner, Kilgen, Kimball, Mitchel Austin, Whitelegg Moller - get 'em while you can; they're back in style (grin) G. Donald Harrison American Classic - they're out of favor right now; several on the market here and there Neo-Baroque - Holtkamp, Schlicker at their BEST (and they weren't always, but nobody WAS)   That an UNTOUCHED Roosevelt went to the dump recently was a CRIME, but it did, despite the best efforts of a conscientious organ-builder on the scene (Sebastian Gluck).   IN GENERAL, small to medium-size two-manual trackers are cheaper to move and refurbish than electric-action organs, and a LOT of the scut-work can be done by mechanically-intelligent volunteers.   Organs with early electric pulldowns to SLIDER chests are cheaper to restore with than early PITMAN chests.   VENTIL chests are pretty much a lost cause unless you have the skill and patience to releather them yourself, or a museum-quality restoration of an organ of MAJOR historical significance is indicated.   MOLLER bar-membrane pneumatic action is to be avoided at all costs ... it's hard to adjust, and it won't STAY adjusted; Estey and a couple of others built sturdy, reliable tubular pneumatic actions, though they never reached the high state of development they did in England.   It's too bad that English organs don't transplant to the States successfully, on account of the vast differences of temperature and humidity between English and American churches. About all you can do is import the metal pipes and build new wooden pipes and mechanism. That would STILL be worth doing in the case of some of the English Victorian builders, but it takes a certain amount of COURAGE to pull off (grin).   Old INTERIOR chest leather does NOT necessarily need replaced. Remember that the quality of leather 100 years ago was SUPERB, at least with the GOOD builders.   We opened the pallet box of an 1898 Koehnken & Grimm in 1973, took a look, and closed it RIGHT back up without TOUCHING the pallet leathers. They were still PERFECT.   That project was a local organ transplant ... from Holy Cross Monastery across Mt. Adams to the Shrine of the Immaculata (Cincinnati, OH) ... two manuals, 20-something stops.   We did the heavy/tedious work, including stripping fourteen coats of paint off the gorgeous case ... silly people! every time they painted the church, they painted the organ-case! ... Tom Cunningham did the organ-builder-type work; the whole thing was done for under $5000.   But we didn't have to pay anything to acquire the organ, since it went FROM an RC church that was being torn down TO another RC church, and Holy Cross and Immaculata had been consolidated into one parish.   We passed the hat in the local pubs on Mt. Adams every Saturday night to raise the money (grin).   Like I said, "where there's a will, there's a way" ... drunks are PARTICULARLY generous after midnight (chuckle).   Cheers,   Bud     Douglas A. Campbell wrote:   > On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:52:04 -0500 "Jeff White" <reedstop@charter.net> > writes: > Suppose a church has the desire to get a pipe organ (leaving > electronics out). Is > >>there any reason to not pursue a brand new instrument over a previously > > owned? > > > > Jeff, > >>From my research, I have concluded that a instrument of 30-50 ranks can > be obtained "used", reconstructed and reinstalled, such that it is > mechanically "like new" for about 60% of the cost of a similar = instrument > built new. In *some* cases the savings could be much, much more. > > > > >> What makes a new pipe organ so darned expensive?? Can't be the > > "computer" > >>components of the combination action, relays, etc....those prices are > > always > >>falling. Is it because of the customization work? >> > > It is precisely because every part of the new instrument must be made by > hand. If, for example, a builder could somehow make all "GREAT" chests > identical, production costs would drop. But that, of course, is simply > not possible since every instrument is unique. Although CADD/CAM can = help > improve productivity, there is still a tremendous amount of the > instrument that will always have to be very labor intensive hand work. > > > > > Douglas A. Campbell > Skaneateles, NY > > ________________________________________________________________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > "Pipe Up and Be Heard!" > PipeChat: A discussion List for pipe/digital organs & related topics > HOMEPAGE : http://www.pipechat.org > List: mailto:pipechat@pipechat.org > Administration: mailto:admin@pipechat.org > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: mailto:requests@pipechat.org > > >